Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 03 May 2010 00:48

Britons join the jihadist ranks to fight in Somalia

Sources say that the influx, which includes Britons of Pakistani origin, is heading to the Horn of Africa as the US tries to shore up Somalia's government in the face of a broadening Islamist insurgency.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 03 May 2010 01:02

Erica Connor: driven out of my own school

The content of its covering pages, which condemns Mrs Connor as "racist and Islamophobic", was described by a judge as "itself racist".

Among other things, it said: "Erica believes that Pakistanis are less intelligent because Islam allows cousins to marry. This, in her opinion, has led Muslims to be less able than other children… Although Erica comes from a Jewish and Catholic background, she considers herself to be atheist. She therefore has an active campaign to distance the children from Islam. She is opposed to the learning of the Qura'an and wants madrassa [Islamic religious schools] to be shut down.

Parents told me that meetings had been held trying to drum up signatories for the petition, and people had been visited at home," she said. "Parents came to me apologising for signing it. They had been told they were bad Muslims if they didn't sign it. It was a shocking document, a racist document. I took it to the police, but was told that they couldn't do anything because it didn't threaten to kill me."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2010 01:30

May 2010 07:21 am

sivabala wrote:
There was a news article sometime bacK that says "Indian govt has approached european govts and asked not to sell ink and currency grade paper to Pakistan". The two govts they approached were UK and Germany. I don't know what was the respective govts reply, which was not there in the original article.

There was a link posted in BRF some moons ago. I am unable to find it.
Basically UKstan gave the 500 rupee templates to Pakistan and that is the origin of the fake notes.rohiths
BRFite

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IS it true that UQ gave the 500 ruppe Stamp/ paper and ink to Paki to print the fake currency ?

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 03 May 2010 06:25

http://www.indiastrategic.in/topstories412.htm

One strong piece of evidence is from international reports which say that Pakistan buys far more currency paper and special inks than it needs annually to print its own currency.

According to intelligence reports, initially the fake Indian currency was printed in only one or two Pakistan government presses. However, as ISI has been able to successfully enlarge its network in Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Dubai (UAE) and even in India itself with the connivance of gangsters like Dawood Ibrahim, the fake Indian currency is now being printed at several government-controlled presses in Karachi, Multan, Quetta, Lahore and Peshawar.

The Pakistan government imports the special paper and ink from UK, Sweden and Switzerland. As the material is much more than its own legitimate requirement, the excess bulk is diverted to ISI, which is regarded more as an international terror and sabotage outfit now than a normal security agency which should be concerned with safeguarding its own country.

more of the same...
http://www.expressindia.com/story.php?storyId=501739

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 03 May 2010 15:33

More bad news from West Pakistan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... loyee.html

If this a$$ hole becomes Leader of liarbour it will spell disaster for lanour, but the islamic nutters like him
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/electio ... eader.html

Meanwhile the conflict between the islamic and anti islamic militias (Pre Partition) has started:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... osque.html

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 05 May 2010 12:01

Immigrant opposition to more immigration!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/world ... in.html?hp

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 05 May 2010 12:32

BBC continues to call the perpetrators of 26/11 "Gunmen" !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8658885.stm

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 05 May 2010 12:58

X-post

BBC - Inside the Maoist insurgency in India's Jharkand state

"Life was very difficult. I joined the party and now I understand many more things. I think revolution is the only option."
One thing you should know about this hardline Maoist rebel - she is a young woman.

"The party makes sure there is no tension between rich and poor… that's why we want the party here."

Ah so sweet! so fair! So perfect!

UK folks : FYI :
Alpa Shah reports from Jharkand for Crossing Continents at 1102 BST on 6 May on BBC Radio 4 . If there is a call-in service, please call her and congratulate here on her short-term stay at the inconvenient, poorest areas of India and how her article title "Inside the Maoist insurgency" reflects the true picture!

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 05 May 2010 13:54

Neela wrote:BBC continues to call the perpetrators of 26/11 "Gunmen" !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8658885.stm

BBC does not want to get caught in the line of fire from paki terror groups. How tough is it for any of the paki pigs to blow up a BBC office ? With so many pigs running amock in their country where they can kill and rape and get scot free because of the votebank politics , why should BBC take a chance ? Britain has been taken over by jehadi mullahs and BBC is trying to be safe in a burqa. That's all to it.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 05 May 2010 17:06

Why does our [UK] £165bn welfare system punish hard work and reward the idle?

In Saturday's Mail, Harriet Sergeant revealed ordinary voters' desperate concerns about mass immigration - and how politicians are ignoring them, much to their despair.

Now, she reveals how Britons are hugely worried by the profound failure in our police service - and the chaos at the heart of our £165 billion welfare state. But, once again, political parties of all colours are simply pretending the problems don't exist .

The attitude of politicians and top policemen is summed up by a remark made by my then local borough commander when I complained of crime in my area. He said: 'The biggest problem is the public's fear of crime rather than crime itself.'

Or as a senior politician intoned: 'Crime is historically low.' Is that so? In 1950, there were just 6,000 recorded incidents of violence against the person. By 1995, that had increased to 213,000. By 2005-06, it had topped a million. Reports of anti-social behaviour stand at 3.6 million a year. Denis O'Connor, the Chief Inspector of Constabulary, says the true figure is more than seven million…

“The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended.” -- Frederic Bastiat

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 05 May 2010 17:30

Chinmayanand wrote:
Neela wrote:BBC continues to call the perpetrators of 26/11 "Gunmen" !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8658885.stm
BBC does not want to get caught in the line of fire from paki terror groups. How tough is it for any of the paki pigs to blow up a BBC office ? With so many pigs running amock in their country where they can kill and rape and get scot free because of the votebank politics , why should BBC take a chance ? Britain has been taken over by jehadi mullahs and BBC is trying to be safe in a burqa. That's all to it.

Ouch! Ouch! The gay mafia is afraid of peas loving baki lover boys.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 06 May 2010 00:46

This is not UK specific, but very interesting. From personal experience I agree with it:
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/05/amon ... l-muslims/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/musli ... malia.html
I am afraid the liberal left will be a bit confused about this story, as it will reveal their ignorance and hypocracy.

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=h ... 15a928b061

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 07 May 2010 02:18

Bye bye, Gordon.

Exit poll for BBC, Sky and ITV News predicts a hung parliament with the Conservatives the largest party. The poll puts the Conservatives on 307 seats, Labour on 255, the Liberal Democrats on 59 and others on 29.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 07 May 2010 05:02

sunnyP wrote:Bye bye, Gordon.

Exit poll for BBC, Sky and ITV News predicts a hung parliament with the Conservatives the largest party. The poll puts the Conservatives on 307 seats, Labour on 255, the Liberal Democrats on 59 and others on 29.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

it's not over yet...Labour will probably go into a coalition with Lib Dems, the Tories won't get a majority
however, the Tories have made some gains in Labour constituencies, in the results released so far.....as of now, Labour has 5 seats and Lib Dems 1

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 May 2010 08:05

Which way did Indians in UK voted?

vina · Post by **vina** » 07 May 2010 09:31

Hung Parliament..Exactly what the doctor ordered in a crisis.

. Labor in a coalition with Liberal Democrat and independents keeping out the "Conservatives" (coservatives seem to be the "untouchable" in Brit Politics, sort of like BJP in Indian.. oh.. we will never support a "conservative" party just we we will never support a "communal" party

). Well, Gordon Brown will have a nightmare trying to run a govt that must make tough decisions with the loony left and other crack pots in the govt and holding veto power.

Or if the Tories come into power as a minority govt, expect massive instability. Behind all the headlines of "Youngest Prime Minister since Earl of Liverpool" and "Youngest Chancellor after Randolph Churchill" ..

Ah.. I particuarly relish the second thougth. Randolph Churchill. Father of the pig faced lout (with unpaid bills to footmen, hotels , washermen in Bangalore still pending) and racist par excellence, Winston Churchil.. Atleast while his son had some qualities and felicity with the English language, but by all other accounts, especially when it came to finance and economics , he was a numb skull

If looking back in history, if there is a single major economic reason for the later collapse of the British Empire (over which the Sun never set supposedly), it was Winston Churchill's decision to go back to the gold standard. That was an total disaster and Britain never managed to recover from the stagnation from the 20s as a result of the decision..

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Well, if the "youngest" chanceller of exchequer's son could deal the blow that led to the collapse of the Brit Empire, I just hope the "second youngest" chancellor of exchequer comes to power and deals the blow that results in the remaining rump state called The UK getting flushed down the toilet bowls of history into total irrelevance economically and politically. Amen to that. Hallelujah!

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 07 May 2010 10:13

In leftist parlance, Conservative = Communal

Anyway, here's more on the Tory victory:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/poli ... 666128.stm

Too bad they didn't get a full majority - that would have allowed them to make a stronger break with the Labour agenda.

Oh well, hopefully the Conservatives will get first crack at forming a govt. A Labour-led coalition would be the most unstable of all.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 07 May 2010 14:25

what kind of verdict is this? how much longer will the faithfool have to wait for the green flag over buckingham...

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 May 2010 15:21

600 seats declared,50 more to go,Tories-285,Lab-237,Lib-Dem-51.
Diavid Cameron could form a minority Govt.,even though Brown is desperately tryingto do a deal with the Lib-Dem,who said before the polls,that the party that gets the most seats should have first peck at the cherry! It is clear that boring old Brown who never won an election has been soundly disgraced,though his party has still considerable support.The expected Lib-Dem "roar" of a new tiger has dissolved into a wweal "miao"! However,Cameron must get either Lib-Dem support or the Ulster Unionists to be able to form a stable govt.He deserves first bite though on moral grounds.Brown gasping for life is a pitiful sight.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 May 2010 15:34

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 65569.html

EXcerpt:
Brown battles to cling on to power

By Andrew Grice, Political Editor, and Lewis Smith

Friday, 7 May 2010
A struggle for power broke out today as Britain voted for a hung parliament with the Conservatives as the largest party but Labour refusing to hand over the keys to Downing Street.

In the early hours, as the Tories prepared to claim victory, Labour made clear it would try to hang on to power by trying to forge a partnership deal with the Liberal Democrats. Downing Street sources said Gordon Brown would try to form a coalition government, arguing that the sitting government has the first right to form an administration even if it is not the biggest party.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 07 May 2010 16:13

Ok folks, living in the UK. Here is my view on the last 24 hours.

The tories are in using similar slogans to Obama (Hope and change I think). Which is just the social mood of the british people (and in America too?).

Tories are pro business - They will start cutting the deficit this year, as supposed to Labour who won't make the cuts very deep this year. Either way, Labour or Conervative - There will be painful cuts which is why parties did not say explicitly where it would come from. Tories announced £57bil, while Labour announced £47bil. So Tories clearly more serious. The only reason why Labour did so well is because they were riding the boom times imo. Also why I think around the world many governments who were in power during the boom years of 2002 to 2007/8 were voted back into power.

Both parties give some benefecial policies like increasing police etc, maintaining low taxes, but they will screw businesses over in another way. Tories have said they won't have many tax rises but they will completely limit immigration. How the businesses will agree to limiting immigration is beyond me. But you get the idea. Labour isn't any better either - small businesses still can't lend in the UK despite some commitment made with banks. This is a vote for change and a punishment for Iraq etc. Its good to introduce some change anyway. I do hope things don't return to the 90's under tories - high deficit, rampant crime & unemployment among many others.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 May 2010 16:17

I am really hoping that they make some serious cuts in the NHS, its a bloated program which is a huge drain on their resources.

I hope they replace it by some other "repayment" system linked to private medicaid. They also need to get over their dependence on doctors from other countries and make sure their local doctors who really understand the local people put in more hours to look after them.

They really need to shape up for the long haul.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 07 May 2010 16:23

Sanku, that would have happened under labour. But tories are actually increasing NHS spending this year. Which is great for all those Indians who are doctors. But they are just delaying the inevitable. The way forward is semi privatisation but it is political suicide. They will be uproar, hence why labour didntwant to take that decision. They will only changethe NHS if pushed right to the edge.

In terms of service quality NHS is very very good. But it is inefficient in certain areas. Some NHS jobs will be cut very soon - possibly next year under tories.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 May 2010 16:29

Oops, I dont understand UK politics that well, and was under the assumption that it would be the conservatives which would be more for, tighter ship with more private participation.

How are they going to run a NHS and cut down on immigration? Not going to happen from what I understand. Thats why the no immigration triggered off NHS cut down thought.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 May 2010 16:38

If Scotland and N.Ireland are made independent countires is it possible for the Torries to rule UK? may under the current economic strains, it may be a good idea. UK is too big to survive (not fail ). It is better to split it into multiple countires.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 07 May 2010 22:17

the great poodledom is heading towards a hung parliament with no clear winner. thousands of voters were disenfranchised as per various news reports and there were reports that police had to be called to quell the situation. horse-trading is going on in earnest to form the next govt. apparently the great poodledom is not too different from the pagan natives.

Oh, glee is me

vina · Post by **vina** » 07 May 2010 22:42

Abhijit wrote:Oh, glee is me

Me too. I just hope that the Lib Dems are nuttier than the CPI-M and prevent any sensible policies to address the crisis.

I fervently wish that they do all they can to make sure that UQ Poodledom gets flushed down the toilet within the next decade or so. Hallelujah!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 08 May 2010 00:14

Sanku, NHS at the moment have enough doctors being generated from the UK uni's (a lot of them are temporarily jobless (3 months min) before being offered training posts around the country) and the poles have filled in the rest of the gaps. The increase in NHS funding might be just for this year - just an election sweetner, there are still 4 years to go. NHS doesnt have to recruit many foreigners these days apart from Nurses.

NHS will be cut down to size, dont you worry. Just not this year.

Mupalla, UK is already semi split into seperate nations, Wales/Scotland/NI all have their own parliaments and budget. They use their own systems. NHS Wales is different to NHS England for example, both use different systems and contracts.

Britain won't default and I'd say they are down but not out. Defence expenditure will be hit heavily and Britain will no longer be able to project global power imo. Its game over in that area, and internationally britain will continue to lose its influence. The next 3 years will be painful. Property prices will go down maybe 25%. The sun has set for the empire.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 May 2010 00:46

Ahem**

The NHS is in Shambles, I mean proper shambles as in going Pacqui

There simply aren't enough Doctors, either foreign/born and bred, some NHS trusts are in fact conducting interviews for Doctors in India. The quality of care provided by most NHS trusts is shambolic to say the least, people with recently diagnosed cancers have to wait for months to get appointments for surgery/radiotheraphy and this happens to supposedly "urgent" referrals. Some MRIs /CTs don't get reported for months! Many hospitals are short on essential supplies because of want of cash!. The NHS trusts try to hump the commisioning bodies by claiming for treatment not done and the commisioning bodies do a reverse Pacqui by hiring super duper uber expensive auditors to audit the NHS Trusts.

And the Polish aka East European doctors are really LOL material, they can only fix Mig 29s and not Tornados, the way the break bad news to patients leads to scores of complaints. The admin staff are no different from any government office staff in India, minus the baksheesh.

To top it all Pacquis and Beedes and Somalis of course are (in) breeding like hell filling up all maternity wards

NHS has too many managers, directors ithyadi, the cull has to start from the top and despite that the days of load shedding in the NHS are not far away.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 08 May 2010 01:15

Since there's no Paki-UK board, here is some light entertainment. I am assuming they are Pakis anyway..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8663681.stm?ls

A fight broke out between a British National Party parliamentary candidate and some Asian men as party members were out campaigning in east London.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 May 2010 02:44

shyamd wrote:UK is already semi split into seperate nations, Wales/Scotland/NI all have their own parliaments and budget. They use their own systems. NHS Wales is different to NHS England for example, both use different systems and contracts.

But I resent the fact that they do not have border disputes at least on the lines of Belgaum (Karnataka Vs. Maharashtra). Do they have? When are they going to use AK-47s? They have a lot from TSP and can get training etc.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 08 May 2010 04:01

MurthyB wrote:Since there's no Paki-UK board, here is some light entertainment. I am assuming they are Pakis anyway..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8663681.stm?ls
A fight broke out between a British National Party parliamentary candidate and some Asian men as party members were out campaigning in east London.

Aah , Britain needs more pakis. A bangladeshi/paki spitting in a Briton face, that too , a parliamentary candidate. Night is indeed falling on the former empire.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 08 May 2010 04:13

But I resent the fact that they do not have border disputes at least on the lines of Belgaum (Karnataka Vs. Maharashtra). Do they have? When are they going to use AK-47s? They have a lot from TSP and can get training etc.

Actually they have more serious stuff than MH / KN.

Occupied territories of Northern Ireland have been oppressed for ages by the Limey imperialists. Similarly the Scottish nationalist Party (Many news reports called it Scottish National Party. I thought it was 'nationalist') and that Cymru thingie is striving to separate from the imperial occupiers for centuries. Down with the imperial dogs and long live the independent nations of Scotland, Wales and a unified Ireland

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 May 2010 05:04

Chinmayanand wrote:Since there's no Paki-UK board, here is some light entertainment. I am assuming they are Pakis anyway..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8663681.stm?ls
A fight broke out between a British National Party parliamentary candidate and some Asian men as party members were out campaigning in east London.

Aah , Britain needs more pakis. A bangladeshi/paki spitting in a Briton face, that too , a parliamentary candidate. Night is indeed falling on the former empire.

You got to give it to those bangladeshi/paki though

. They were 2, compared with 6 or so of the BNP, and yet they spat on the BNPs, returned blow for blow as much as they could. Can't imagine us SDREs, and that includes me, doing the same

even if provoked by the BNP thugs.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 08 May 2010 06:56

Muppalla wrote: But I resent the fact that they do not have border disputes at least on the lines of Belgaum (Karnataka Vs. Maharashtra). Do they have? When are they going to use AK-47s? They have a lot from TSP and can get training etc.

Lol! You will be surpised to know that in the 70's there was a major liberation movement of wales. Freedom fighters! They were fighting to stop england from stealing water. Eventually the caught the head of the movement and that was the end of that.

Abhijit, only Northern Ireland is kicking off again, there was a car bomb left outside a polling station yesterday apparently. Wales doesnt really want to be independent, neither does Scotland. I live in one of these held areas and trust me the mood is not about independence.

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Mahendraji, I beg to differ. I have worked in the NHS local health boards (now being merged) briefly last summer in the Finance side, and visited trusts too to understand their problems. Had access to a lot of confidential stuff. I can tell you financially that they are in shambles. Huge deficits, but continue to tell the public one thing but figures look totally different.

There aren't enough doctors? Perhaps it depends on region. The region that I am in, they are making long term plans to shut some hospitals as its unsustainable and there areas where there are doctors who are overskilled for their work. I have class mates who are med/dental students, there arent enough training vacancies at the moment, most of them are currently full and there is a waiting list of a few months to get those posts. These are for locals now. Dentists north of london side are getting unemployed after the recession hit London.

Short of essential supplies? No no, whats happened is there is cost cutting going on, so they started buyin low quality gear, instruments which has pissed a lot of ppl off.

Hiring super duper expensive auditors lol! They only come in, as external auditors(which is standard op) and do the high level re-organisation consultancy stuff. I know first hand as I was directly involved in that stuff.

Treatment shambolic to stay the least?? I am guessing you dont work in the NHS or are not related to the healthcare system.

As for doing interviews in India, please show me a source. Applications to my fathers dept, are ridiculously high from India and other places - gets about 20 or 30 for 1 training post in a small regional hospital. I know that they are advertising in India which has been discussed in the UK many times, of how the UK NHS is literally conning Indian doctors advertising that there are loads of vancancies in India when there isnt. Recently a lot of doctors who come here thinking there are jobs, take a long time to find work and end up working in Tesco's.

However, you are right about the Polish, their english sucks and they aint that good at what they do.

Yeah the managerial side in the local health boards are top heavy - too many people at the top doing not much work, but dont you worry many will be unemployed after these elections when the cut sets in. But the managerial side needs more people at the bottom to come in. There is too few people doing too much work in some areas.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 08 May 2010 13:08

There's no shortage of Brits who would have been glad to be rid of Northern Ireland and its troubles (an enormous sinkhole of govt subsidies) - the problem is no one waves the Union Jack with more vigour than Irish protestants of Ulster - well perhaps other than the misery-loving Falklands Islanders who defeated two FCO attempts in the 1970s to quietly dump them on the Argies.

When it comes to Scotland, there's plenty of English voters who feel that Scotland is a waste of money - that it's received more in benefits than its put in, and enjoys far too many exemptions. The Scottish certainly aren't going to take on the huge costs of statehood when they have traditionally had such a cushy ride at the English tax-payer's expense. The Welsh nationalists don't even pretend to want independence.

In Northern Ireland even Sinn Fein, the IRA's political wing is today in the undreamed of position of sharing power with Protestant Unionists and directing the police against the dissident factions of IRA who refused to accept the peace deal, as well as using the IRA's own unofficial means. Plus of course you have the Irish Republic, which is itself a sworn foe of the IRA, and especially its gunmen.

Its not just that Catholics are a minority among the Irish of Ulster, its that Republicans are a minority among Catholics, and committed, no-compromise Republicans an even smaller minority within that minority of a minority. Irish Protestants don't have the numbers or the political dominance they once had to terrorise and repress Irish Catholics, and the result is that those Catholics no longer need the IRA to protect them. The original Irish Republicans it should be remembered were Irish Protestants, and they turned from the biggest opponents of the union in to its biggest fans once their rights were secure.

What has been taking place is the re-working of the union from a unitary state to a federal arrangement by mutual consent - the situation that governed the relationship between England and Scotland between 1603 and 1707, when England and Scotland shared (Scottish) monarchs, but the English and Scottish parliaments were separate.

In fact there's a wave of English nationalism that demands that devolution should come to England as well - i.e. provide for a local parliament separate from that of the union, just like Scotland, Wales and Ulster.

But really all of this is moot at the rate at which sovereignty is transferring from national governments to EU institutions. People speak of the 'mistake' of letting Greece in to the Eurozone. There was no mistake - the calculation was that whether the result was crisis or carefree days, the integration of the political economy of the EU would be placed on a 'no exit' road. The EU *must* successfully deepen or die.

Many elements of British public opinion loathe this surrender of national sovereignty without the power exercise democracy and dismiss those at the top, but most treat the EU's growing power over their lives as something that can only be slowed down, and occasionally chastened but not reversed. Mild Euroskepticism is rewarded by the voting public (e.g. staying out of the Euro and holding on to the pound sterling as long as it is not economic suicide to do so), while outright Europhobia is punished, which is why the UK Independence Party (mostly disaffected Tories) is going nowhere that really matters.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 May 2010 14:17

Shyam D ji

Just a few quick points

There is an acute shortage of doctors for non training posts, none of the native doctors want to go in for non training posts, these posts need to be filled up with overseas doctors.
Yes, overseas doctors had a hard time from 2005-2007/8, things have changed now and practically every doctor who comes to the UK gets a job and there is no shortage of overseas doctors willing to take up non training posts as the money they earn will be at least 5 times more than what a doctor without a post graduate qualification would earn back home.
I don't have sources to prove that interviews are conducted in India but I know a couple of doctors who recently came through that route, it goes like this.. Hays Healthcare>> Naukri.com >>Interview at Mum/Del/Chennai>>Job offer>>>UK within 2 months. I'm told that India is not the only country where these interviews are being held, and wait for this, some doctors who returned to India when the times were bad are getting job offers after telephone interviews!.
Yes, the treatment provided by the NHS has more to do with the funding than the patient's needs, more often than not the decision to administer certain drugs or to conduct certain investigations depend more on managers than on clinical judgement. Acute shortage of doctors has led to situations where patients are often not seen for an entire day after being admitted.
Trainee doctors are reduced to being pen pushers, booking transport, booking health advocates, contacting patient's family etc.
Things are different for Private Patients being treated in NHS hospitals, these people demand and get the best care available, for those without private insurance, well to be honest, they get the best care under the given circumstances and the circumstances are very bad!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 08 May 2010 19:43

Mahendraji, you are right. Its for non training middle grade staff. My dad was saying that their hospital is going to Kolkata, Mumbai and Chennai for interviews and it is for only very few departments. The last time they went, the people came back empty handed because the role is actually a 2 year temporary contract and many of the prospective people asked what happens after the 2 years and NHS guys said we can't guarentee the work, so people in India said they don't want the job. Its a temporary job that no one wants. Everyone wants consultant jobs which are permanent. Dad described the middle grade role as a "kooli" which is tamil for labourer - hard work hours for little pay. My dad was saying these days most of the training roles are filled in by the locals, no foreigner/indian bothers applying.

The rest of your comments are halftruths and some simply untrue, unfortunately don't have time to go into detail on them.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 May 2010 21:19

OK, I am a partial liar ,complete liar and a Pacqui. I don't have the time either to defend myself against those allegations, certainly not on the internet. The NHS is great! my last on the NHS. BRF certainly isn't the right place to discuss NHS
Have a good evening!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 09 May 2010 03:16

Mahendraji. Sorry your taking it that way. My point is that NHS is not perfect, of course every healthcare institution has its weaknesses and problems, but trust me when I say its not as dire as you are making it out to be. Sorry if you can't accept that..
Have a great night.