Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2010 04:30

Refer back to my earlier posts. Its the ISI that offed him. Don't know why.?May be he was being contacted by massa as the AT claimed!

Gul and Beg are on hafim and hallucinating as usual.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2010 04:55

Flawed US strategy strengthened Taliban: Pakistan Army
The very unusual trip of the Indian journalists to FATA continues. And, the Pakistani Army lies as usual to the unsuspecting journalists.

“Either they [the U.S. Army] lack the capability or the willingness…but this is making my job harder. It is like gas in a balloon. The moment you squeeze the militants on one side, they go to the other. Either we cross the border [into Afghanistan] or they clear it up. Whatever the West says, we are the victims and not the source, Col. Nauman, commanding the Bajour Scouts, told a team of Indian journalists.

Col. Nauman and Brig. Zafar-ul-Haq, along with Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas of the Inter-Services' Intelligence, claim the Americans made a tactical error when they entered Afghanistan. They allied with the Northern Alliance and pushed toward the south. But they failed to block the rear, allowing the militants to escape across the border into Pakistan's tribal agencies. “We are forced to clear the mess.”

“We were small fry in the anti-Soviet jehad. We were just the facilitators and did not imagine the Holy War would bounce back. While the U.S. could walk away, we couldn't,” notes Major. Gen. Abbas.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 03 May 2010 05:14

Do we have a list of DDM who went to FATA?? Would be easier to spot lifafa-ness which will be peddled.

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 03 May 2010 05:25

ramana wrote:^^R, The head is still attached. So its not the pure who did him in. It was isi so they don't hand over to massa. Whats this BS about Asian Tigers? More like Paki Pigs!

Yeh, you are right. And Khwaja says in the video that he has been sent by the ISI Col Sajjad.
This reminds me of the killing of Faisal Alavi (chief of SSG) allegedly by Ilyas Kashmiri on orders from Paki miltary.
And again in Khwaja case too, Paki officials have pointed fingers towards Kashmiri.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2010 06:12

Also folks please no baiting or flaming fellow members. And again no self goals

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 03 May 2010 06:33

Why would a militant group claim 'credit' (actually it is a debit) for a failed attack? I see some Pakbarian too-clever-by-half strategy here. Perhaps the goal is to let unkil deliver even more F16s, spy planes etc., claiming TTP is a much bigger threat even to US mainland so they need more dole, dollars and gadgets.

Added later: I see a very similar view posted by NRao in the unkil thread...no copyright violation intended

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 May 2010 07:00

In talks, China to press for U.S. support on Pakistan nuclear deal

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/03/stories ... 751300.htm

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 May 2010 07:06

As discussed a long time ago in the Islamism threads, if you live in Pakistan and something goes wrong with life or society you ask the Mullah, who knows the Quran and what is wrong. The Mullah recognizes that society is unislamic and that purity must be established.

You then ask the Mullah "How so? I live my life with great purity?"

The mullah is stumped and need to find an answer quick or his reputation is at stake and that the answer must come from the faith. So the Mullah says "It's tha kafirs around you who are causing all the strife. The Hindus, the Sikhs, the Christians"

Sp Pakistan gradually eliminates them, hoping that all will be well. But there is stil some trouble. So it's back to the Mullah." This time Mullah says - "Ah it's the lack of purity of the Ahmedis and Shias"

So, gradually Ahmedis and Shias are marginalized and eliminated.

But society is still not good. There is still suffering. Has God not said that a pure society will be happy? How to reach the purity of the time of the rightly guided caliphs? Back to the Mullah.

The Mullahs says, "There is still much pollution in society. The Indians are next door (thoo the filthy kafirs). The Americans are right here. The Barelvis are cooperating with the Americans. We must remove this impurity"
And so the jihad continues.

The Mullah is always right. If you say he is wrong - you are going against the faith. You must be killed for saying that. Now where were we..?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2010 07:25

Here's a switch from the past. Now the PoK PM says "Pakistan should avoid Kashmir in talks with India"

Farooq Haider has said Pakistan is not in a position to talk with India on Kashmir issue on equal terms due to its internal issues so it should avoid the Kashmir issue in its bilateral talks.

He also warned the government in Islamabad against taking any unconstitutional step in the constitutional matters of Azad Kashmir. He said any unconstitutional interference from Islamabad would also have implications for Pakistan. Some steps taken by the Islamabad administration were creating a split among the Kashmiris, he said and added that for Kashmiris Pakistan was like a mother with whom they could not fight.

Hmmm... Mother Pa'astan (just like Mother India). Not just its jugular vein. This equal - equal thingy has gone too far.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2010 07:33

Here's a piece of news that will surely make you, er.., smile (especially if you are not a porki). Pakistan least smiling nation.

Pakistan, Croatia and Russia have topped a list of countries where people sitting behind shop and office counters have a surly attitude and find it difficult to smile.

only 34 per cent of shop owners and officials in Croatia and Pakistan smile at people

The people found that a third of Russian and Pakistani staff were stony faced, with 65 per cent people scoring on the ‘smile-o-meter’. Tourist office and guesthouse staff were among the least welcoming, it said.

Brings a smile to your face, doesn't it?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2010 07:37

Morality Squads
AoA!

It seems that the self-proclaimed ‘morality squads’ have initiated an awful campaign on unveiled women in Balochistan. Three young sisters, two of them in their teens, had acid thrown on them by two men on a motorcycle. The girls have suffered horrendous facial burns. Just days before two other sisters had been targeted in identical fashion in Dalbandin. Threatening letters from a group not previously heard of, calling itself the ‘Baloch Ghairatmand Group’, had been circulated in advance of the attacks. In the past, restaurants in Quetta have been warned to avoid serving women and calls made to them not to appear in public.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2010 07:39

Misinformed paki

Creative anarchy

This is in connection with Ayaz Amir’s article “Creative anarchy” (April 23). He is absolutely right that if Pakistan has still not been overrun by the religious right and if religious parties have not been able to expand their sphere of influence, it is because the temperament of the ordinary Pakistan is anti-theocratic. Our forefathers were not radical Muslims. The myth that “Pakistan was created in the name of Islam” has nothing to do with reality. Our great leaders like Jinnah and Iqbal wanted a democratic, liberal and secular Pakistan.

Nabeel Anwar Dhakku

Chakwal

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 May 2010 07:44

We are seen as weak

http://www.dailypioneer.com/253106/We-a ... -weak.html

We are seen as weak

Rajiv Dogra

Maldives and British Foreign Secretary David Miliband’s advice to India to settle its affairs with Pakistan through dialogue is symptomatic of a larger malaise. Perhaps our goodness is now being mistaken for weakness. But who is to tell this to our Prime Minister?

Sometimes, in international affairs, a single gesture reveals far more than laborious statements and voluminous reports. There was one such moment in Thimpu when the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan emerged from behind a diaphanous curtain to provide a photo opportunity.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh took his place to stand on the right side facing the photographers. The Pakistani Prime Minister was about to step towards the left side. When Prime Ministers take their position, especially in the India-Pakistan context, woe betide anyone who dares prompt them differently. Yet this is exactly what happened.

A junior Pakistani official signalled suggesting that the Indian Prime Minister shifts to the left side. It was an awkward moment, one that may not have a precedent, but the Prime Minister of India shuffled over to the position indicated to him on the left. Now the Pakistani Prime Minister was on the right side; a position that is considered of psychological advantage in Summit level hand-shakes — as our friends the Americans would have told us.

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That act of cheekiness is also reflective of the new sense of confidence, verging on cockiness, on the part of the Pakistani establishment. It knows that India is powerless to put any significant pressure on it. The decision to approach the international interlocutors for help post-26/11 has yielded limited dividends. Perhaps, researchers at some future date might come to the conclusion that by going to the international chancelleries India has only succeeded in re-hyphenating itself with Pakistan.

Everyone, and everybody, now consider it their fair preoccupation to advice India to settle its affairs with Pakistan through a dialogue. Maldives pontificated thus from the pulpit of SAARC Summit in Thimpu; casting aside the SAARC principle of not introducing bilateral matters in that forum.

This is symptomatic of a larger malaise; perhaps even of the fact that our goodness risks being mistaken for weakness by our interlocutors. Even worse, it may be interpreted as an open invitation to busy bodies to proffer advice. There is a huge risk in letting that impression gain ground, because when such pressures multiply then some give somewhere eventually takes place, and you end up ceding something or the other. The mention by Maldives should, therefore, be treated as a warning shot. Much more could follow from others like it; especially from those who make interference in others’ affairs their professional leitmotif.

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Thereafter, Mr Miliband wants the world to put all its eggs in the Pakistani basket. Thus, he maintains in his article; “Given the scale of the geopolitical challenges in this region — including the long-running tensions between India and Pakistan and the presence of Iran — it can seem that Afghanistan is fated to remain the victim of a zero-sum scramble for power among hostile neighbors. The logic of this position is that Afghanistan will never achieve peace until the region’s most intractable problems are solved.”

His message is clear; the most intractable problem in his eyes can be nothing else except the Kashmir issue. It is also a point that Pakistan has been constantly pressing in Washington and London. Having thus advocated Pakistan’s case on Kashmir, Mr Miliband goes on to sing its praises;

“Pakistan” he informs us, “is a country of 170 million people. It is a nuclear power. Pakistan will act only according to its own sense of its national interest. That is natural. Its relationship with Afghanistan is close to the core of its national security interests. Pakistan fears the build-up of a non-Pashtun Afghan National Army on its doorstep, and it is perpetually worried about India’s relationship with Afghanistan.”

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In that process they need India to wiggle and accommodate Pakistan. A syndrome all over again of the price the world extracts from the good and the meek.

They would therefore welcome the large financial commitments that India might continue to make in Afghanistan. It is likely that $ 1.3 billion in aid that we have given to Afghanistan may have won us many friends there. But the point is at what cost?

We are a poor country and the money that we have committed there has been at the cost of development projects in India.

Second, does any aid recipient remain obliged forever? How many Europeans recall today the transformational role the Marshal plan had played in their lives? How many Pakistanis acknowledge the billions of dollars in aid that they receive annually from the US? How many Nepalese are grateful for the vast infrastructure projects that India has built there? And in Afghanistan itself we have built hospitals, industrial institutes and agricultural projects in the past too. But the Taliban wiped out all memories of that with a strike of dynamite. And they might do so all over again as soon as the US and UK forces withdraw from Afghanistan.

All this, the Maldivian homily and the British self-interest, only reinforce the point that we may have become the victims of our goodness and of our proclivity to rush to the world to seek their aid in preventing terror attacks from Pakistan.

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-- The writer is a former Ambassador.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 May 2010 07:45

David Miliband's article cited above:

How to End the War in Afghanistan
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... ghanistan/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 May 2010 07:48

anupmisra wrote:Misinformed paki
Our forefathers were not radical Muslims.

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er could someone write in and ask where "radical Muslim" and "non radical Muslim" have been defined in Islam? What does a radical Muslim do that a non radical Muslim does not do? Who is correct? How many classes of Muslims exist?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 May 2010 08:59

shiv wrote: The Mullahs says, "There is still much pollution in society. The Indians are next door (thoo the filthy kafirs). The Americans are right here. The Barelvis are cooperating with the Americans. We must remove this impurity"
And so the jihad continues.

The Mullah is always right. If you say he is wrong - you are going against the faith. You must be killed for saying that. Now where were we..?

And what the filthy kafirs next door must do?

Understand that Islam (read Mullah here, as he is the one offering the solutions as an expert on Quran) is not an unifying force against non-muslims and focus on building toilets as that is the most important responsibility of the government/governance. Leave the rule-of-law and national security to the wind as the islamists are inherently un-united (will not say that they are not so divided when it comes to filthy kafirs).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2010 09:07

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... =16626What was the last mission of Khalid Khwaja?

While talking to this scribe on phone from North Waziristan, the spokesman reacted to the statement of Khalid Khwaja’s wife, who declared that her husband was a martyr because he was killed by some criminals. ( Khwaja dont get the 72, wasted his life and blue bottle)
spokesman for the Punjabi Taliban said that both Mr and Mrs Khalid Khwaja played an active role in Lal Masjid tragedy in July 2007. They forced late Abdul Rashid Ghazi not to surrender but disappeared when the operation started. Some friends of Khalid Khwaja, however, tell a different story. They say that Khwaja was arrested just a few days before the operation in Lal Masjid but they also admit that Khwaja was not supporting the surrender. It is also learnt that Khalid Khwaja was investigated by a three-member committee of the militants for more than four weeks. Initially, Khwaja claimed that he had moved a petition in the Lahore High Court against the drone attacks along with former PML-N MNA Javed Ibrahim Paracha and he came to North Waziristan for recording the statements of drone victims to be produced in the court on April 6. The militants confronted him as to why on the one hand he was opposing the drone attacks but on the other hand he was trying to establish contacts between the USA and the Taliban. The militants claimed that he arranged a meeting between US Under Secretary of State Karen Hughes and a religious cleric Javed Ibrahim Paracha in 2005 in Serena Hotel, Islamabad. They also produced some articles downloaded from the Internet and asked about his links with former CIA officials, James Woolsey and William Casey.
Khwaja had met these former CIA officials through an American businessman Mansoor Ijaz, who was very close to the Bill Clinton administration. Ijaz played a key role in forcing the Sudanese government to expel Osama bin Ladin from Khartoum in 1996 and helped Khwaja to establish direct links between the Taliban and the Bush administration in October 1999 when he wanted Mulla Omar to meet James Woolsey to avert an American attack on Afghanistan. Mulla Omar refused to meet the then CIA leader. Next year, Khalid Khwaja tried to fix a meeting between American businessman Mansoor Ijaz and Kashmiri militant leader Syed Salahuddin. Khwaja contacted Salahuddin through his friends in Jamaat-e-Islami and informed him that Mansoor Ijaz wanted to deliver a letter from Bill Clinton. Syed Salahuddin came to know that Mansoor Ijaz had meetings with Indian Army officials in Srinagar in early 2000 and also with then Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. He smelled a rat and refused to meet Mansoor Ijaz. Shortly after these attempts by Ijaz, a ceasefire was announced by a rebel Kashmiri militant commander Abdul Majid Dar in July 2000 but it failed. Majid Dar was assassinated after sometime in Kashmir.
Khalid Khwaja was arrested in 2002 after the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi. Khwaja had exchanged some e-mails with Pearl just a few days before his killing. Later, Marianne, the widow of Pearl, informed investigators that Pearl contacted Khwaja through Mansoor Ijaz and he only tried to help her husband in obtaining the contact numbers of some militants. Khwaja was released after a few weeks.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2010 09:17

Deobandi, Nasbandi, Salafi, Twaifi etc all trying to grad each other's.. and trying to explain pakistan ki Mut-labh kahan hai.
Still shying away from condemning suicide bombings

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -250-hh-11

LAHORE: The Deobandi leadership in the country has for the moment refused to give a consensual nod of disapproval to suicide attacks and other acts of militancy — despite efforts by some members to reconcile the school to new realities. Over three days they shared space at the Jamia Ashrafia, one of the oldest and influential Deobandi institutions in the city. Many participants are known to have links with Pakistan’s visible and invisible establishment. They included moderates such as Mufti Rafi Usmani and hardliners such as Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi of the banned Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan. Big names in politicis — Maulana Fazalur Rehman, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed and Maulana Samiul Haq, whose Darul Aloom Haqania in Akora Khattak in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa is credited to have given birth to Afghanistan’s Taliban movement, were also there along with heavyweights such as Maulana Saleem Ullah Khan and Hanif Jallundhry, who manage the Deobandi seminaries and education system in the country. The objective of this rare Deobandi gathering, according to some participants, was to deliberate on terrorism, debate its causes, discuss impact on the economy and politics and suggest solutions and work together to stem the menace.

“The basic goal of this conference was to organise the movement for enforcement of Shariah through peaceful and democratic means, and discuss the reasons for terrorism in the country,” Qari Hanif Jallundhry told this reporter from Multan by telephone. After all, the tribal fighters engaged in a pitched war with the military and killing its soldiers in the north-west or suicide bombers carrying out operations elsewhere in the country are either graduates of the Deobandi seminaries or are linked with Deobandi groups and organisations. ApprehensionQari Hanif conceded that militancy and terrorism could harm the Deobandi movement. “If terrorism can impact upon the economy and add to the troubles of common citizens of this country, how can we escape its effects,” he wondered.
Others sayHe said “a part of our leadership is under pressure (from the establishment?) to help evolve a wider consensus among all the Deobandi groups and organisations against the militants’ attacks on our soldiers and military installations as well as terrorist raids within the country”. If that was what the meeting aimed to gain, it was only partially achieved. Maulana Ludhianvi and Hafiz Hussain Ahmed are said to have “turned the tables” on the organisers and forced them to restrict themselves to issuing a joint communiqué that was soft on militants and harsh on government and, obviously, the United States. The same source said a majority of the participants agreed that militancy and terrorism would continue to haunt this nation as long as the factors and causes responsible for forcing people to take up were not removed. This was exactly what the joint communiqué says. It blames the government’s policy of ‘toeing the American line’ on Afghanistan for growing terrorism. “..militancy and terrorism continue to haunt this country in spite of wide denunciation of such acts (suicide bombings and subversive activities) by all patriotic people as well as use of organised military force. The situation calls for a dispassionate analysis of the fundamental causes (of this situation). In our view it is the consequence of the foreign policy that Pervez Musharraf pursued (in the aftermath of 9/11) and the incumbent government continues to follow. We demand that the government separates itself from the war in Afghanistan and stops pursuing pro-American foreign policies and providing logistics support to foreign forces (for military operations in Afghanistan,” the communiqué says. The opponents of an edict against militants were vociferously supported by the participants from Swat and Bajaur and other tribal areas. “They are the people who are actually suffering at the hands of Americans and their allies in Pakistan. They are the people who have to bear the brunt of military action and drone attacks. How could they support pro-government edicts and decrees?,” the participant from Balochistan quoted above argued. Nevertheless, the communique did urge the militant groups to pursue peaceful means to achieve their objectives of enforcement of Shariah and expulsion of Americans from the country. The paper calls for an end to all kinds of terrorist and subversive activities (by militant organizations). “If the government is following erroneous policies, it does not mean that we set our home afire. We, therefore, confidently and honestly believe that only peaceful struggle is the best strategy that can help enforcement of Islamic Shariah in Pakistan and secure it from the foreign influences.
Thee use of violence is contrary to Islamic teachings and detrimental to our objective of enforcement of Shariah in the country and efforts to expel Americans from this region. Rather, it is helping the United States deepen its influence in this region,” it argues.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2010 09:23

Thimphu’s sin of stupidity
Duffer Hila ley

Manmohan Singh takes orders from Sonia Gandhi, and she is a political weathervane. Playing it safe, she follows rather than leads public opinion. At the first indication that negotiations are not being well received at home, she is likely to pull down the shutters and scoot, notwithstanding promises to the contrary of which India’s volte face at Sharm al-Sheikh is an example. As it is, but for American pressure India, would have spun out the process of reengaging. And by dillydallying on the date for the next meeting, India may still do so. Noticeably, our Prince Gallahad, foreign minister, was ready to engage with India immediately, “tonight,” as he announced, while briefing the media in Bhutan. His exuberance on occasions seems to run away with him. Perhaps, he should wear his vanity more gently. He would have been better advised to let the foreign secretary brief the press. Mr Qureishi looked distressed by his want of ability to respond in the manner he was expected to. One could understand the foreign minister’s excitement in Washington, while standing next to the glamorous Hillary, but in Thimphu his jumping with joy was inexplicable. What had the meetings between Manmohan Singh and Gilani achieved that was deserving of such profuse praise? We are not back to the Sharm al-Sheikh agreements; not even to where the Composite Dialogue was suspended. In fact, there is talk of “new modalities” for the forthcoming talks, a sure sign that these “modalities” will only be “finalised” when India feels we are doing enough on the Mumbai front, and in particular to accommodate its fixation with Hafiz Saeed, little realising that it is India’s fixation that ensures that Saeed won’t be arrested. Should we laugh at India’s tactics or weep at them? Because what we cannot do, for the love of God, is understand them.Noticeably, the Indians left their briefing of the talks to Ms Rao, the Indian foreign secretary who, when enumerating the achievements of the visit, presumably in order of descending importance, relegated the Singh-Gilani meeting to the very last item. It was a loud reminder of the diminished importance that India attached to what the foreign minister made out was a great success.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=237172

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 May 2010 09:29

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2
Fifty blank minutes —Shahzadi Chodhrie

India’s long-term aim to position herself as a global, major-league player will need the strong moral underpinning of being a stabilising
factor in the region among all its neighbours.
We know what changed India’s mind on the dialogue process, and it is not only the US’s nudging. It seems to have realised, over time, that remaining incommunicado since Mumbai was a failed strategy, as it did not deliver the desired results. India has two other, more dominant, and longer-term objectives. One is its need to remain relevant to the Afghanistan scenario, particularly after the US leaves. Given Pakistan’s natural advantage and perceived pre-eminence, leverage can come only through working with Pakistan to enable a stable Afghanistan. Two, India is aware of its need to repair its image of a recalcitrant neighbour, unwilling to respond positively to Pakistan’s overtures for peace and stability. Its long-term aim to position itself as a global, major-league player will need the strong moral underpinning of being a stabilising factor in the region among all its neighbours, hence the change of tenor at Thimphu. If the Indians were looking for a fig leaf to backtrack from their popular stance, the Pakistanis did well to offer one.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 May 2010 09:32

ramana wrote:Refer back to my earlier posts. Its the ISI that offed him. Don't know why.?May be he was being contacted by massa as the AT claimed!

Gul and Beg are on hafim and hallucinating as usual.

From the new report posted by Prem:

It is also learnt that Khalid Khwaja was investigated by a three-member committee of the militants for more than four weeks. Initially, Khwaja claimed that he had moved a petition in the Lahore High Court against the drone attacks along with former PML-N MNA Javed Ibrahim Paracha and he came to North Waziristan for recording the statements of drone victims to be produced in the court on April 6. The militants confronted him as to why on the one hand he was opposing the drone attacks but on the other hand he was trying to establish contacts between the USA and the Taliban.

I rest my case.

archan · Post by **archan** » 03 May 2010 09:39

SSridhar wrote:Flawed US strategy strengthened Taliban: Pakistan Army
“We were small fry in the anti-Soviet jehad. We were just the facilitators and did not imagine the Holy War would bounce back. While the U.S. could walk away, we couldn't,” notes Major. Gen. Abbas.

What? And I thought the pakis actually single handedly defeated USSR in Afghanistan. Zaid Zaman Hamid cannot be a liar now, can he?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2010 09:43

Hazara areas on the boil

A complete wheel-jam and shutter-down strike was observed in the Hazara belt on Sunday in support of the demand for a Hazara province and against the renaming of NWFP as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

The speakers said the demand for Hazara province would be achieved through a revolution and not a resolution.

archan · Post by **archan** » 03 May 2010 09:45

Prem wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2
Fifty blank minutes —Shahzadi Chodhrie
India’s long-term aim to position herself as a global, major-league player will need the strong moral underpinning of being a stabilising
factor in the region among all its neighbours.

Pakis love to talk about morals. What moral shoral underpinning man? what moral standards has China upheld? they are on their way to being a dominant global player ruthlessly. They squished the Uighurs and not a tweet came out of the pakis. They proliferated nuclear arms, the whole world knows that but not a single one of them, the US, the EU, none wants to say a word on that. So Mr. Choudhry can keep his morals within his nation, thank you. Nations are built by hard work and concerted effort, not through principles and morals, as sexy as they may sound.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2010 09:50

Khalid Khwaja buried in Islamabad

Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz led the funeral prayers, which were attended by a large number of people, including former chief of the army staff General (r) Mirza Aslam Baig, former ISI chief General (r) Hameed Gul and ex-MNA Mian Muhammad Aslam. Special security arrangements were made for the funeral procession.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2010 09:55

Textbooks from the 'hate factory'

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 May 2010 10:47

Video Shows U.S. Did Not Kill Militant

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/world ... liban.html

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 03 May 2010 11:41

Khwaja’s murder points to home truths from The Dawn

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 May 2010 13:48

Malayappan wrote:Khwaja’s murder points to home truths from The Dawn

From the above, the DAWN concludes that " . . . the sudden intensification of militancy over the last couple of years, especially by the so-called Punjabi Taliban, is to a large extent a direct reaction to the events of Lal Masjid. "

'Militancy' is too generic a term to describe what is going on in Pakistan. It is jihad, in all its glory, that is what is going on there. The day the 'militants' make the editors of DAWN, Daily Times etc. see the reality and use the word 'jihad' instead of 'militancy', we would know that Pakistan has keeled over. The recent warning of the Taliban in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa that the newspapers are one-sided and are not publishing their side of the story is the first step in that.

IMHO, the AfPak region has seen four phases of jihad since that fateful day in 1979 when the USSR move in. There are two types of jihad. I know that it is even blasphemous to characterize jihad like that because jihad is jihad. Full stop. Being a kafir, I might be pardoned for any wrong usage. For ease of understanding, the jihad in AfPak can be classified as either 'pure' or 'impure'.

The First Jihad was of the pure jihad variety by the mujahideen supported by the US, KSA, Pakistan et al. Though the infidel US was involved on the side of the Believers, it was still acceptable. This jihad was 'pure' because the Godless were taken on by the Believers. However, this pure jihad came to an end through an agreement, not by military defeat, and the Believers had to rely on the Crusaders for success.

After the Geneva Accord, came the internecine war after among the mujahideen. This internecine war was brought to an end by the impure jihad of the Taliban supported by Pakistan. That was the Second Jihad and it was impure in the sense that the more pious Believers had to take on the less pious Believers. It came to an end after bloody battles and the military defeat of the less pious Believers. Afghanistan saw more damage in the three years of this impure jihad than the ten years of pure jihad.

After that was the pure jihad once again, this time against the 'Ahl-e-Kitab' (People of the Book) after 9/11 when the Believers had to take on the combined might of the infidel Americans and their Allies. That was the Third Jihad. This is on-going. This looks likely to come to an end just like the first pure jihad, through an agreement, not by military defeat.

The Fourth Jihad, an impure one, had to be fought against the state of Pakistan, after its CEO, Gen. Musharraf imposed bans on the jihadists on Jan. 12, 2002. This jihad is on-going. If the previous jihads are indications, the impure jihad was always bloody and always ended in a military victory for the more pious over the less pious. The events, so far since the 2002 announcement, confirm the ferocity of the impure jihad. It also has to end with the shrill voice of Allah-o-Akbar piercing the hearts and soul of the less pious. This means the Punjabi Taliban will eventually defeat the Pakistani Army.

Before the Fourth Jihad, the interests of the jihadists and the PA coincided. They continue to coincide though the Pakistani Taliban and most of the Punjabi Taliban were not able to appreciate the nuances and adjust their war-fighting strategy accordingly. For the simple-minded Taliban, it was "either with us or against us". The frothing-at-the-mouth-corner jihadists wanted Pakistan to withdraw support to the US and help the jihadists as they have done before. But, that was no longer possible as things had changed dramatically. Musharraf, Mehmood Ahmed, Kayani and Nadeem Taj tried their best but the support could never be like before because the Eagle, sitting in the same room, was watching everything very closely. So, the more pious determined that it was time to defeat the less pious and launched the impure jihad. There can be no room for sentiments in jihad, as the Khalid Khwaja issue showed clearly. PA might have been the hand that fed the milk before, but that hand has to be bitten now.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 03 May 2010 14:55

if the situation is that bad, what is stopping pak from picking a fight with india and unite all the forces?

is it the dawn of the predicted islamic emirate over the next decade and india will get back east of the indus?

ralph peters map flashes in my mind.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 03 May 2010 15:02

The ferocity of attacks against TSPA/ISI hands, including attacks on their kids, show one other thing - to some of the pure at least, the bridge is permanently burnt and there is no going back. That probably reflects the depth of betrayal. The move your love, the more intense your hatred when betrayal is discovered as many know..

as one poet beautifully put it, guzrein hain aaj hum isq mein hum us maqam pe...nafrat si ho gayi hai mohabbat ke naam se..

and we all know the jehadis are not the type "ham vo nahiin jo pyaar mein rokar guzaar dein" - they should their anger with fireworks.

I hope this category of pure can be cultivated by GOI for its own short term needs.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 03 May 2010 15:13

i somehow feel that GOI has an agreement on peace at the western border with the 3.5

all this warnings about imminent attacks etc is very new and different. maybe i am just dreaming. its way late into the night...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 03 May 2010 15:22

GOI always was for peace at Western border - it was TSP that created trouble. There is no need for any agreement 3.5 or 007 to do that. Perhaps a reassurance that even if TSP vacates the last border post and move them all to Afghan border, we would not walk in is all that is required. We do not want an inch of that cursed territory unless it is cleared of barbaric animals first.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2010 15:35

SSridhar wrote:Textbooks from the 'hate factory'

From the article:

It is also dismal to see that the only substitute for the subject of Islamiat for non-Muslim students is Ethics.

This paki writer should be halaled by the local mullahs for giving out religious secrets.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 03 May 2010 15:51

There is a socio-economic angle to the Punjabi Taliban.In every society,there is a underclass.Democratic societies recogonise the underclass and try to redress their grievances.Let us not forget given the way human beings are,there is nothing called a perfect society.

Despite the protestations about their arap heritage,caste is a fact of life in pureland.One of the most stabilising factors as of now is the fact that muslim jats-the biggest caste in Pakjab is still not radicalised sufficiently enough and this caste has benefited from the exodus of SIkh/Hindu population from West Punjab and they have taken over the fertile lands of Jech and Rachna Doabs.

The Porki army is recruited to a large extent from the Potohar plateau-particularly the gakkars,awans and jhanjuas(roughly 60% atleast from Uneven Cohens book).The Seraikistan area of South Punjab(Bahawalpur etc) was always the backwater of the Punjab even in Pre-Partition days.The Islamic piety of Hafeez Sayyed and LeT is absolutely essential to keep South Punjab down and in normal circumstances-Mumbai 26/11,Pune Blasts,Kabul bombings are necessary to keep the pigs engaged and maintain status-quo.But when they have no jihadi activity,the foot pigs will ask tough questions to the Porki army proper which comes from a different social strata and also from the region up north.

So the Porkis have four problems-Pahtun nationalists,Afghan Taliban,Paki Taliban in Waziristan etc and Pakjabi Taliban in South Punjab.It is clear why the Anglo-American barbarians are winking at every atrocity and pressuring us to talk to Porkistan.Only India,by giving concessesions on Cashmere,south asia piss etc can save the sinking porkistan.Military aid to bolster nuisance value is not sufficient.The Anglo-American barbarians who denigrate hinduism have absolved porkistan of all its inequities.Its abysmal socio-economic record is overlooked and rarely analysed.The barbarians of LeT in South Punjab do the bidding of the TFTAs in potohar.A state like UP with all its faults is seeing a democratic upsurge.But it is India which has to bear the brunt of worst casteism of Pakjabi mussalman.Remember the only worthwhile movement to come out of Punjab in the last 1000 years was the Gurumat.Pakjab is a most artificial province but the goras will never dissect their creation whose only aim is to hurt India.Our real enemy are the Anglo-American barbarians and the lizards.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 May 2010 15:59

abhishek_sharma wrote:We are seen as weak

http://www.dailypioneer.com/253106/We-a ... -weak.html

Rajiv Dogra

Sometimes, in international affairs, a single gesture reveals far more than laborious statements and voluminous reports. There was one such moment in Thimpu when the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan emerged from behind a diaphanous curtain to provide a photo opportunity.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh took his place to stand on the right side facing the photographers. The Pakistani Prime Minister was about to step towards the left side. When Prime Ministers take their position, especially in the India-Pakistan context, woe betide anyone who dares prompt them differently. Yet this is exactly what happened.

A junior Pakistani official signalled suggesting that the Indian Prime Minister shifts to the left side.

I think that is overanalysis. If you saw the video, when the camera panned out, the tricolor was on the left and the Paki flag on the right. If MMS and groper had kept their original positions, they would be representing the wrong flags.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 May 2010 16:02

PM Groper's son knocks down a man at Sania's valima. Must have been that one dish rule that riled him.

archan · Post by **archan** » 03 May 2010 18:59

anupmisra wrote:PM Groper's son knocks down a man at Sania's valima. Must have been that one dish rule that riled him.

A comment from the youtube page:

These people have turned in to "Firauns", uloo kay pathay...they think they are supereme, taqat kaa bara nashaa hota hai....I wish to hit him with full power in his face and bleed him to death, now the funny thing is his father will say" bacha hai,,aur bachonn say ghalti ho jatee hai" and then his chamchay will rush to make him more happy.............Lantee log.

Strange I don't see Indian folks (or for the matter, people of most conuntries) writing in this kind of tones, and you find way too many pakis writing in gory detail about how they would kill someone. That is the kind of rot that has set into that society. Our leadership would do well to recognize the beasts we are dealing with and peace tunes will not staiate their thrust of blood.
That society has become sick beyond repair and as we have an example of the Yadav clan in Mahabharat...

archan · Post by **archan** » 03 May 2010 19:05

In response to the Kasab conviction story in yahoo, a woman writes:

Here's something I want to know. I'm sure that there is an imminent attack, possibly right here in Wisconsin or even Illinois. My ex husband has gone that route of extremism (Pakistani, I was young and dumb, and should probably shoot myself for having been so naive). I've heard rumors from former friends and family members and even from him himself about how much he hates this country and the people. I've tried telling authorities but nobody will listen to anything anyone has to say. What about that? Why won't they at least question him about his claims and statements? Or the fact that he's been to Pakistan for months at a time 3 times in the last year?

At least she realizes finally that she has been dumb. Lives of many a western women have been spoiled by pakis like this. I am glad she knows better now and will educate those around her against the perils of getting involved with a paki. Hope she does not have a pakistan stamp on her passport.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 03 May 2010 19:25

anupmisra wrote: Must have been that one dish rule that riled him.

Strange madrasah logic in TSP - you can have four wives but only one dish...perhaps it is 4 dishes together or only one dish for all four weddings? Someone should ask TSP Ministry of Animal affairs.