Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2010 09:15

Wasn't one of the charges against Nawaz Badmash that he was watching Bollywood movies in his residence? Maybe the editor is equally guilty of harami tendencies!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 09:17

SSridhar garu,

Excellent analysis of the 4 Jihads of the pakistanis. I can foresee the Pakistani and the other commentators picking this line up from you write up. Sir-ji this needs to go into the blog, maybe even a newspaper article.

But I must add this:
India must ensure that the current 4th Jihad is a prolonged one, that will ensure that the energies / weaponry / lives of the merely pure as well as the totally pure are exhausted in this. (I don't know if weaponry can ever be exhausted!). But this 4th Jihad has to be the end game. These creatures who have been forsaken by god need to be in a perpetual state of this 4th Jihad.

We should all know that if they survive this, there will be a 5th Jihad against the impure kafirs towards the east. The 3.5 friends have suitably armed them, they are beginning to open the taps of funding to them.

It is either we 'manage' pakistan, or the 3.5 will try and use it to cut us down to size.

The last thing we need at this juncture is inaction. I don't particularly mind the pappi jhappi, provided no concrete agreements at this point are agreed to. Pakistan is in taquiya mode until these hard times are gone.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 04 May 2010 09:22

The PM of Pakistan, Gilani has said that our PM, the distinguished economist and statesman, trusts him as per this report.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/ ... himphu.htm

He claims that our PM has agreed to put everything on the table for discussion as long as the perpetrators of the mumbai massacre are brought to justice. So if the top two mentioned in that list, Hafiz Saeed and Lakhvi are "convicted" and sentenced for a token period of some years, then Pakistan would have delivered?

Is there a pre-determined script that has been agreed to start the dialogue process? Who then is the script writer? The GOI has indicated that Gilani is the man to deal with. Does that mean, gentle leaders that in the recent visit to the US, a deal has been worked between the 3.5 sponsors that from now on Gilani will be the civilian face and he will work in synch with Kiyani. Kiyani will support the US interest but as a quid pro quo will recieve:

1. Some relief and wins against India
2. Weapons access to maintain "balance" and nuke deal from China
3. Decreased pressure on the PA

Zardari will be maintained and protected with reduced say but will be an important lever to keep Gilani and Kayani honest.

It is but an hypothesis dear rakshaks. But please consider the following as the basis for this hypothesis.

The visit by the Indian PM to Saudi and the intense amount of involvement by the Sauds to recalibrate their relationship with India is crucial. The Saudi interests in Pakistan is two fold. By maintaining an influence there and in Afghanistan, it maintains an influence over the flow of energy from other regions. It also means that it has an access to the Islamic bomb.

Pakistan, as a rentier state, also will provide the cannon fodder needed for the house of Sauds in its battle of supremacy for the Islamic world with Iran. Therefore there is a lot for the Saudis at stake in Pakistan's survival.

If Pakistan breaks up the resulting parts of pakistan will not be in Saudi orbit at all. Pakistani survival at this juncture cannot be guaranteed purely by the 3.5 powers. It is but natural that Saudis would like to reach an understanding with India so that Pakistani survival is assured.

The US, and its interests in Pakistan are well known, so will not get into elaboration here. But gentle readers, please consider this. The present regime, is a result of a carefully orchestrated regime change plan that was negotiated amongst the 3.5 first and then with the Paki elite. Musharaff is kept outside as a kind of insurance policy in case the present lot do not do the bidding. The US underwent a change in administration that has favoured the PA. It has brought back into the State Dept and Pentagon people who do not want to see an unchecked India at the least.

The Chinese have indeed upped the ante in recent times and are the most concerned about the rise of India. It is expected that they would like to not only see the survival of pakistan but also enhance the military ability of pakistan to keep a check on India. Because the absence of that ability to keep pace with India would mean that India having an increased ability to bridge the security gap viz-a -viz China and also challenge the Chinese in terms of their desire to dominate the energy routes and the Asian littorral areas.

So the natural convergence of interests amongst the three demands a survival of the pakistani state. As a corollary, it means the maintenance of the PA's capabilities. The paki leadership has demanded amongst other things a guarantee from these 3.5 powers to continue with the survival of the artificial rentier state.

The only country that can disturb this carefully crafted agenda is India. It is not in India's interest to have a pakistan - stable or otherwise. While it may not have the political will to ensure the non-survival of pakistan, by not doing its bit in terms of reducing the pressure on Pakistan, it jeopardizes the chances of pakistan's survival.

The guarantee that Pakistan has demanded from the 3.5 is precisely this. They need India to give in and accommodate pakistani aspirations from water to Sania. The 3.5 have therefore launched their own plan to get India to play ball. By inducements (saudi -red carpet, promise of better behaviour, oil - US - Nuke Deal, UN Security council, energy, investments China - cooperation with India on climate change, IP, soft pedalling kashmir) and vieled threats (CTBT, Climate Change Accord, aggressive moves in NE, transfer of arms to Pakistan).

This is what the GOI faces today. The question is, can the GOI protect the country's interests or should it do what is minimally necessary to keep the 3.5 happy so that we can continue to march ahead with GDP growth?

Actually the way the question is framed wrong. This is how the GOI seems to be looking at the situation. Why is that? It is because that the prriorities of what constitutes national interests is skewed. It is not germane to this thread, so will not elaborate on this here (that will be a critque of GOI policy and this thread is about Pakistan).

But since this is the way the GOI seems to be looking at this situation, it explains the positions taken by the GOI.

This is just a rambler's view as usual. Take it for what it is worth

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 May 2010 09:37

The PM of Pakistan, Gilani has said that our PM, the distinguished economist and statesman, trusts him as per this report.

On Pakistani TV, when someone says, "trust Gilani", then I see the others sneering. Pakistanis are sufficiently smart. So why should we believe what Gilani says in Thimpu or elsewhere? Is it a BRFite alarmist trend to take at face value what a Paki says, when published in an Indian publication? Does the BRF alarmist have less savvy than the average Paki news-program participant?

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 04 May 2010 09:38

True crisis in Pakistan - Shaima Sumaya (Pak Observer)

... the rule to live in Pakistan is literally every man for himself ...

Footages of Quaid-e-Azam, Liaqut Ali Khan waving the national flag, and a triumphant Fatima Jinnah and her brother Mohammad Ali Jinnah walking together after Pakistan’s independence seem like pictures from another time, another age, another world. Were we really so pure, so true at our existence? What went wrong? India lost their father, their ‘Bapu’, Gandhiji, but they stayed on course. We can make as many excuses as we want, and blame circumstances for the shaping of history when in fact, the finger should be pointed at us. We, collectively are responsible for where we stand today. Is there light at the end of the tunnel? We don’t even have light in Pakistan; the country is drowned in darkness.

This is the state of a State that was founded on the two-nation theory. Now the creation of multiple provinces is being made in the name of individual identity and provincial autonomy. Leaders in Hazara are vowing to go on a Long March. This is a practical demonstration that we are lost to our identity, individually and collectively and we are resorting to further dismemberment just to find a reason to co-exist with each other.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 09:39

NBC Breaking news:

Authorities arrested a suspect in the attempted weekend car bombing in Times Square, NBC News' justice correspondent Pete Williams reported early Tuesday morning.

A U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent, Shahzad Faisal, was arrested Monday night on Long Island, Williams reported.

An idiot Paki at that!

The vehicle identification number had been removed from the Pathfinder's dashboard, but it was stamped on the engine and axle, and investigators used it to find the owner of record.

I had posted a few days back:

Anujan wrote:In any case the worthies are going to get caught. There are CCTV cameras in every square inch in times square. And the idiots changed the license plates of the car & filed the VIN number away. Do those morons know that engines have serial numbers? Transmission has serial numbers? Axles too? Also the VIN can be read out of the Car's self diagnostic computer?

Put there precisely to catch such amateurs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2010 09:40

SSridhar wrote:
Malayappan wrote:Khwaja’s murder points to home truths from The Dawn
From the above, the DAWN concludes that " . . . the sudden intensification of militancy over the last couple of years, especially by the so-called Punjabi Taliban, is to a large extent a direct reaction to the events of Lal Masjid. "

'Militancy' is too generic a term to describe what is going on in Pakistan. It is jihad, in all its glory, that is what is going on there. The day the 'militants' make the editors of DAWN, Daily Times etc. see the reality and use the word 'jihad' instead of 'militancy', we would know that Pakistan has keeled over. The recent warning of the Taliban in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa that the newspapers are one-sided and are not publishing their side of the story is the first step in that.

IMHO, the AfPak region has seen four phases of jihad since that fateful day in 1979 when the USSR move in. There are two types of jihad. I know that it is even blasphemous to characterize jihad like that because jihad is jihad. Full stop. Being a kafir, I might be pardoned for any wrong usage. For ease of understanding, the jihad in AfPak can be classified as either 'pure' or 'impure'.

The First Jihad was of the pure jihad variety by the mujahideen supported by the US, KSA, Pakistan et al. Though the infidel US was involved on the side of the Believers, it was still acceptable. This jihad was 'pure' because the Godless were taken on by the Believers. However, this pure jihad came to an end through an agreement, not by military defeat, and the Believers had to rely on the Crusaders for success.

After the Geneva Accord, came the internecine war after among the mujahideen. This internecine war was brought to an end by the impure jihad of the Taliban supported by Pakistan. That was the Second Jihad and it was impure in the sense that the more pious Believers had to take on the less pious Believers. It came to an end after bloody battles and the military defeat of the less pious Believers. Afghanistan saw more damage in the three years of this impure jihad than the ten years of pure jihad.

After that was the pure jihad once again, this time against the 'Ahl-e-Kitab' (People of the Book) after 9/11 when the Believers had to take on the combined might of the infidel Americans and their Allies. That was the Third Jihad. This is on-going. This looks likely to come to an end just like the first pure jihad, through an agreement, not by military defeat.

The Fourth Jihad, an impure one, had to be fought against the state of Pakistan, after its CEO, Gen. Musharraf imposed bans on the jihadists on Jan. 12, 2002. This jihad is on-going. If the previous jihads are indications, the impure jihad was always bloody and always ended in a military victory for the more pious over the less pious. The events, so far since the 2002 announcement, confirm the ferocity of the impure jihad. It also has to end with the shrill voice of Allah-o-Akbar piercing the hearts and soul of the less pious. This means the Punjabi Taliban will eventually defeat the Pakistani Army.

Before the Fourth Jihad, the interests of the jihadists and the PA coincided. They continue to coincide though the Pakistani Taliban and most of the Punjabi Taliban were not able to appreciate the nuances and adjust their war-fighting strategy accordingly. For the simple-minded Taliban, it was "either with us or against us". The frothing-at-the-mouth-corner jihadists wanted Pakistan to withdraw support to the US and help the jihadists as they have done before. But, that was no longer possible as things had changed dramatically. Musharraf, Mehmood Ahmed, Kayani and Nadeem Taj tried their best but the support could never be like before because the Eagle, sitting in the same room, was watching everything very closely. So, the more pious determined that it was time to defeat the less pious and launched the impure jihad. There can be no room for sentiments in jihad, as the Khalid Khwaja issue showed clearly. PA might have been the hand that fed the milk before, but that hand has to be bitten now.

Good stuff. Very useful classification of history. Felt I ought to quote the whole thing.

I believe that the first phase of "pure jihad" involved the shoulder to shoulder fighting of the less pious and the more pious (USA, Pak Army and Taliban/Islamists) against a designated "least pious" - the USSR

The third phase - again "pure jihad" was the expected shoulder to shoulder fighting of the less pious (Pakistan army/RAPE) and the more pious (Islamists) against the new designated "least pious" - the USA

The second jihad was caused by the yanking of support from the USA, but continued support from the Pak army

The fourth jihad will be because of the yanking of support from the Pak army (by Lal masjid and other acts), so that the Pak army then becomes "less pious" to be eliminated.

The interesting thing here is that the second (pure jihad) was blamed on the US by the Paki army, although the latter was actively involved in the pure second jihad.

In the fourth jihad, the US is now telling the Paki army "OK we will not withdraw. We will be by your side this time. You fight on". The Paki army is trying to wriggle free by blaming India this time and hence 26/11 and other attacks by Paki army sympathetic groups (Sarkari Lashkar) the LeT. And while I am sure the Paki army knew about the contradiction it faces - I believe the Paki mango Abdul had not figured out that the latest jihad is Pakjabi versus Pakjabi.

svenkat's post about the caste system in Pakjab is relevant here

Guess whom I support?

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 04 May 2010 09:57

SSridhar,

Excellent and perceptive post. That should be preserved somewhere. Hope you have a blog or something where you can keep such kind of posts.

Sir, how about meeting up? send me a mail

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 May 2010 10:01

From Orbat:

Third Pakistan strike corps? Reader Avik B. tells us about claims making the rounds of the blogs that Pakistan is to set up a third strike corps, either with 480 T-84 Ukraine or with US tanks if the US agrees. Dr. Ayesha Siddiqui, a Pakistani academic and defense expert, says when General Kayani visited Washington last month, he presented a 56-page list of military equipment, including equipment for a third strike corps. US has no problems with selling reconditioned M-113s and M-109s, but we wonder if US will okay transfer of M-1s because the Indians would get very upset over that. The Ukraine tank deal sounds more probable to us.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 May 2010 10:07

sum wrote:From Orbat:
Third Pakistan strike corps? Reader Avik B. tells us about claims making the rounds of the blogs that Pakistan is to set up a third strike corps, either with 480 T-84 Ukraine or with US tanks if the US agrees. Dr. Ayesha Siddiqui, a Pakistani academic and defense expert, says when General Kayani visited Washington last month, he presented a 56-page list of military equipment, including equipment for a third strike corps. US has no problems with selling reconditioned M-113s and M-109s, but we wonder if US will okay transfer of M-1s because the Indians would get very upset over that. The Ukraine tank deal sounds more probable to us.

THis is what makes my blood boil!! Chances are US will pay the pakis to buy Ukrainian tanks on the sly so that it is not directly implicated by India for arming Pakistan.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 04 May 2010 10:13

Meanwhile, BP's Crude oil spillage story is out of media spotlight in US - Pakistan comes to rescue of their master even if it means putting their own countrymen to risk. He he. JMT

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 04 May 2010 10:16

sum wrote:From Orbat:
Third Pakistan strike corps? Reader Avik B. tells us about claims making the rounds of the blogs that Pakistan is to set up a third strike corps, either with 480 T-84 Ukraine or with US tanks if the US agrees. Dr. Ayesha Siddiqui, a Pakistani academic and defense expert, says when General Kayani visited Washington last month, he presented a 56-page list of military equipment, including equipment for a third strike corps. US has no problems with selling reconditioned M-113s and M-109s, but we wonder if US will okay transfer of M-1s because the Indians would get very upset over that. The Ukraine tank deal sounds more probable to us.

While the T-84 MBT thing has been dubbed as internet rumour, I realy wish this happens. This country for too long has been sitting with only 3 Armored Divisions.....time we raise numbers of that to at least 6. India can do that and not even sweat....but alas, so much for the defence planning in this country.....

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 10:41

One Pakistani origin US citizen has been arrested from JFK airport as he was leaving the US just now.

I checked orbitz.com. There are half a dozen flights by Qatar, Gulf airways, American Airlines departing JFK for destinations in the middle east between 10PM and Midnight. From there there are convenient connecting flights to Karachi / Lahore / Islamabad.

The purelander is being stated to be a Naturalized US citizen of Pakistani origin. Possibility of yet another DCH type emerging.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 04 May 2010 10:56

Anujan wrote: An idiot Paki at that!

tautology

Other famous ones

dumb paki
in-bred paki
terrorist paki
paki moron
paki randi

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 10:56

His name ois Faizal Shazaad. He was trying to flee to Dubai.

I watching that ass-hole Reza Shea, CNN reporter dutifully and submissivly talking abut TSP role in terror attacks. But the same mofo during Mubai was relaying ISI propgaganda with a smirk on his face, that India routnely blames TSP. And TSP wants evidence bla bla. It was disgusting watching and listening to him.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 May 2010 11:00

Anujan wrote:X-posting from TSP dhaaga

NBC Breaking news:

Authorities arrested a suspect in the attempted weekend car bombing in Times Square, NBC News' justice correspondent Pete Williams reported early Tuesday morning.

A U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent, Shahzad Faisal, was arrested Monday night on Long Island, Williams reported.

X Posted.

And so it goes .....................

The world is treated to yet another display of the prowess of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in IT, not of the Information Technology variety but rather of the Islamic Terrorism variety with an individual originating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan attempting to spread the IEDology of Pakistan beyond Pakistani shores.

Meanwhile the GOTUS will be hard at work figuring out how many more billions in grants and free F-16's / OHP Frigates / Harpoon missiles / Cobra Helicopter Gunships etc it will take to get the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to stamp out Islamic Terrorism

The UK’s Times version of the same story:

Pakistani man arrested for Times Square bomb

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 11:03

Would be interesting to see if this Faisal dude has any connections to LET. And if so, what would US demand from its "freinds in pakistan".

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 11:08

This Faisal moron most probably has no connections with LeT

It is just some typical pakis who gathered one day in the terrace of their house in Peshawar during load shedding and hatched a plan with the local mullah to kill a few infidels after drinking zam zam cola.

The idiot even went to the extent of buying 200 pounds of fertilizer and storing it in the car

Like that is going to make any difference. Probably after hearing the news of fertilizer bombs thought that camel dung when mixed with gasoline makes a nuclear bum.

Paki Jernails know which side of their bread is buttered. No way in hell are they allowing LeT to attack the US.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 04 May 2010 11:10

Even if 500 persons had been killed in NY,it will not make a difference to GOTUS.Yes,there will a lot of domestic concern,but the US support to Pakistan is based on sound strategic reasons.Let us accept that Pakistanis cannot cause much harm to US citizens in US.

While it is understandable that BRFites in US are euphoric,it matters little to the ground situation in Fak-Ap.It is more relevant to find out who killed Khwaja and whether Imam will meet the same fate.India has to stand firm and allow pak to reach its destiny of implosion from within.The dynamic between the various terrorist groups within TSP and the US policy in Fak-Ap are far more important to the unravelling of Pak.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 11:18

While hind sight is 20/20 and it now appears this monkey Faisal left behind a lot of clues, but how one wishes Indian police are as resourceful and dilgent in nailing Pakis for their crimes as are the NYPD. The professionalism is simply admirable.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 04 May 2010 11:19

VIN number from engine block leads heavily armed pandus of various agencies to registered owner who sold the vehicle for $1,800 cash to 'somebody' who made the deal on Craigslist. A simple IP search of Craigslist inquiries leads Pandus to an internet provider and they promptly dish out an address. Background check reveals somebody in US Immigration was dumb enough to trust a Paki with US Citizenship in April 2009. US Citizenship = US Passport = one click worldwide travel ban = HUUUUGE flashing alerts on computers at the airport check-in counter = one less terrorist/Pakistani out on the streets. AOA! FBI be praised!

Looking forward to the whining from the peace-loving (pun intended) NY Paki community disowning the acts of yet another "misguided youth" amongst their ranks! Already Paki govt spokesperson is saying Faisal Shahzad is an American not a Pakistani and that "... it doesn't matter where he is from... he should be punished according to law".

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 11:35

CNN is attaching a lot of significance to this guy actually boarding the Emirates airways flight befroe busting him just before the flight was about to leave. The mofo must have got the shock of his life.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 04 May 2010 12:11

So many revolutionaries from Bengal,Maharashtra,UP,Punjab and other parts of India paid in blood for Indias independence while the mofos in Muslim League cosied up with the British.The exploits of Bhagath Singh,Chandrasekhar,Netaji and others fired up the Indian masses.In my home state of Tamizh nadu,Vanchinathan who shot dead a sub-collector and killed himself immediately is a great hero in our parts.Of course,their methods were not always accepted by the Congress.

If this Faisal dude(and his inevitable trial) can inspire even hundred less pious ones in the TSPA to shift their loyalties to the more pious LeT,Talibans etc and emulate the 'heroics' in far away Great Satan Land while the purelanders have so many more opportunities then the efforts of Faisal are not in vain.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 04 May 2010 12:12

Per CNN:

- Faisal Shahzad gets US Citizenship in April 2009.
- Flies to Dubai (and then to Pakistan?) in June 2009.
- Returned to the US just a few months ago (after being "moderately enlightened").

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 12:15

PTI reports: Pak to examine providing assistance to Kasab if sought

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 May 2010 12:44

Great news! Now for the O-Team to hug the Pakis even more tightly closer to their breasts,as a US admiral said,"Pak's wars are our wars",fight for them thus,give them more arms and moolah,stroke their bruised egos and lift the chips,nay logs off their shoulders! Do not complain after all this service to Pak when their loonies reward the US with more terror atacks and attempted ones as at Times Sq.

More news of the porker arrested.

america/usa/7675411/New-York-Times-Square-bomb-suspect-arrested-trying-to-board-flight-to-Dubai.html

New York Times Square bomb: suspect arrested trying to board flight to Dubai
An American citizen of Pakistani origin has been arrested in connection with an attempted car bombing in New York's Times Square, the US attorney general, Eric Holder, confirmed.

Investigators are also examining similarities with the 2007 attacks on Glasgow Airport and the Tiger Tiger nightclub in London.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 May 2010 15:43

X Posted. Editorial in newspaper of one of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s three and a half friends.

Saudi newspaper Arab News in an editorial on the trial of 26/11 terrorist Ajmal Kasab / Qasab terms the trial as fair and debunks Pakistani notions that Qasab/Kasab is innocent. The editorial calls on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to deliver the same to 7 LeT terrorists involved in the 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack who are in custody there:

Editorial
May 3, 2010 22:11

Qasab’s conviction …………………

This trial was handled fairly and efficiently. Though some Pakistanis still choose to believe, against all the evidence, that Qasab was in some way innocent, there can be little doubt that from graphic individual testimonies of over 600 witnesses, coupled with the chilling images which depicted him in Mumbai’s main railway station, Qasab was one of the terrorists. He even confessed in court though later withdrew the confession, claiming he had been tortured. India has therefore delivered a dispassionate legal process which incidentally acquitted two Indian Muslims accused of aiding in the attack. We hope this will be matched when Pakistan tries the seven alleged members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba terror group for involvement in the Mumbai outrage. The Indian government is already doubtful about the effectiveness of this prosecution, not least despite New Delhi’s protests, the group’s leader Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has not been charged. ......................

Arab News

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2010 15:58

Raja Ram wrote:The PM of Pakistan, Gilani has said that our PM, the distinguished economist and statesman, trusts him as per this report.

<snip>

So the natural convergence of interests amongst the three demands a survival of the pakistani state. As a corollary, it means the maintenance of the PA's capabilities. The paki leadership has demanded amongst other things a guarantee from these 3.5 powers to continue with the survival of the artificial rentier state.

The only country that can disturb this carefully crafted agenda is India. It is not in India's interest to have a pakistan - stable or otherwise. While it may not have the political will to ensure the non-survival of pakistan, by not doing its bit in terms of reducing the pressure on Pakistan, it jeopardizes the chances of pakistan's survival.

The guarantee that Pakistan has demanded from the 3.5 is precisely this. They need India to give in and accommodate pakistani aspirations from water to Sania. The 3.5 have therefore launched their own plan to get India to play ball. By inducements (saudi -red carpet, promise of better behaviour, oil - US - Nuke Deal, UN Security council, energy, investments China - cooperation with India on climate change, IP, soft pedalling kashmir) and vieled threats (CTBT, Climate Change Accord, aggressive moves in NE, transfer of arms to Pakistan).

The thing that mystifies me is why trust Gilani?

The simple explanation i.e that MMS and GoI are stupid and really believe that Gilani wields power is tempting, but it might not be correct. The GoI and MMS may know damn well that Gilani is a boob sqeezin' puppet. If that is so, why does the GoI not protest and demand that they will talk but will talk to the real power brokers of Paquistan - the army?

One possible explanation is that the GoI has nothing to lose by talking to Gilani. If they put up a big show of talking to him and and get promises from him of doing things to the 26/11 culprits the GoI will be putting up a good and compelling a charade as the US and the Western press that pretend that there is now an "elected democratic government" in Pakistan.

If after these great talks, where India has "given in and moved forward" there is no terrorist attack and there is discernible movement against Hafiz Saeed everyone - US, India, Pakistan KSA will claim that all is well.

If however, there are more terror attacks and no action is taken against the 26/11 mothef8ers then India will say that Gilani has let them down, Gilani (and Zardari) are the US's baby - a baby that allow them to act as if they are supporting a democracy. The US is cutting a deal with the Paki army in which the army stays out of government and fights the US's war allowing the US to fund their whore with little domestic opposition. Any Indian agreement with Gilani can only work if the Pakistani army supports that agreement. If the Pakistani army does not support it it won't move.

Let me make a prediction. I think both Gilani and Paki army are under pressure by this elaborate international charade. If Gilani does not deliver India will sulk and make the 3.5 worry, so they are likely to be telling the Pak army to go easy on terror. So one possible near term outcome is a gap in terror but no progress on the 26/11 front. Until the next move in this game of chess..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 May 2010 16:11

This Shahzad dude is a 'non-state actor'.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 04 May 2010 16:34

SS guru , maybe CIA was training this Shehzad as the new Headley but suddenly the paki genes within him came into action.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 May 2010 16:47

Now the creation of multiple provinces is being made in the name of individual identity and provincial autonomy. Leaders in Hazara are vowing to go on a Long March. This is a practical demonstration that we are lost to our identity, individually and collectively and we are resorting to further dismemberment just to find a reason to co-exist with each other.

Stupid. There was a saying among Sri Lankan Tamils before the troubles started - "Two languages, one country. One language, two countries".

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 May 2010 17:17

Raja Ram wrote:SSridhar,

Excellent and perceptive post. That should be preserved somewhere. Hope you have a blog or something where you can keep such kind of posts.

Sir, how about meeting up? send me a mail

Raja Ram ji,
Looks like you missed this one. SS garu now has a blog, http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 04 May 2010 17:34

Looks like you missed this one. SS garu now has a blog, http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Strictly OT but can we have some better colour scheme on this blog? Maybe copy the BRF colour scheme.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 17:48

CRamS wrote:CNN is attaching a lot of significance to this guy actually boarding the Emirates airways flight befroe busting him just before the flight was about to leave. The mofo must have got the shock of his life.

Quite clever. Letting him board the plane means that he was frisked during security check. Most probably by a FBI agent to make sure that he didnt have explosives/guns. He could have been caught after that, however, if he started running a chase around the airport would have panicked passengers. After he boards there is no way he is getting out and our Paki is cornered.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 18:00

Qureshi of Pakistan makes a "Moral, political, diplomatic support for Kashmir and Principled stand" Speech. So it is back to 2000. Somebody needs to ask him if Jihad is terrorism

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 May 2010 18:09

Times Square bomb suspect arrested 'at last second'

One that nearly got away .....................

Shahzad was on board Emirates Flight 202 to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, and the jetway had been pulled back when the plane was called to return to the gate, a law enforcement source said. Shahzad was booked through to Islamabad, Pakistan via Dubai, a senior airline official confirmed.

"They just caught him at the last second," a law enforcement source said.

Security officials removed three passengers from the flight late Monday, including Shahzad -- who was taken into custody, the senior airline official said.

Authorities searched the plane, luggage and checked all passengers again before the flight took off for Dubai early Tuesday without the other two passengers taken off with Shahzad, the airline official said.

That was close. And imagine Pakis refusing the US to allow access to this yahoo if he had made it to PakiLand.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 May 2010 18:13

Some info about this Faizal character:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/201 ... cnn?hpt=T1

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 04 May 2010 18:26

This seems to be the first attempt by Pakistan in which the U.S is targeted directly. They are achieving success with U.S money and firepower. Wait to see the Paki politicians asking U.S for more money and weapons to tackle this terrorists at home. Pakistan is taking the war against infidels to another level. Will they succeed. I'm sure they will. U.S will now be sending more money, weaponry and bowing down to Pakis to stop these terrorists. These are the first signs of a weakening United States. Just wait and watch.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 18:31

uddu wrote:This seems to be the first attempt by Pakistan in which the U.S is targeted directly.

Not true. You forgot the Chicago guy and the NY Subway plotters. They were Pakistanis too & targeted the US. Not to mention the murky Pakistan connection to 9/11

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 18:37

Ajai Shukla's blog:
Pakistan Army: aal is not well