The long drawn prosecution was attirbuted to the fact that 150+ witnesses had to be examined.
Now if Kasab2 tomorrow does a 26/11 in a cricket stadium during a cricket match, then will the prosecution ask for all 50,000 witnesses to be examined?

Editorial
May 3, 2010 22:11
Qasab’s conviction …………………
This trial was handled fairly and efficiently. Though some Pakistanis still choose to believe, against all the evidence, that Qasab was in some way innocent, there can be little doubt that from graphic individual testimonies of over 600 witnesses, coupled with the chilling images which depicted him in Mumbai’s main railway station, Qasab was one of the terrorists. He even confessed in court though later withdrew the confession, claiming he had been tortured. India has therefore delivered a dispassionate legal process which incidentally acquitted two Indian Muslims accused of aiding in the attack. We hope this will be matched when Pakistan tries the seven alleged members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba terror group for involvement in the Mumbai outrage. The Indian government is already doubtful about the effectiveness of this prosecution, not least despite New Delhi’s protests, the group’s leader Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has not been charged. ......................
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Where our Government fails, Tata's don't:
What Ratan Tata did for the Mumbai victims..
The Tata Gesture
* All category of employees including those who had completed even 1 day as casuals were treated on duty during the time the hotel was closed.
* Relief and assistance to all those who were injured and killed
* The relief and assistance was extended to all those who died at the railway station, surroundings including the “Pav- Bha ji” vendor and the pan shop owners.
* During the time the hotel was closed, the salaries were sent by money order.
* A psychiatric cell was established in collaboration with Tata Institute of Social Sciences to counsel those who needed such help.
* The thoughts and anxieties going on people’s mind was constantly tracked and where needed psychological help provided.
* Employee outreach centers were opened where all help, food, water, sanitation, first aid and counseling was provided. 1600 employees were covered by this facility.
* Every employee was assigned to one mentor and it was that person’s responsibility to act as a “single window” clearance for any help that the person required.
* Ratan Tata personally visited the families of all the 80 employees who in some manner – either through injury or getting killed – were affected.
* The dependents of the employees were flown from outside Mumbai to Mumbai and taken care off in terms of ensuring mental assurance and peace. They were all accommodated in Hotel President for 3 weeks.
* Ratan Tata himself asked the families and dependents – as to what they wanted him to do.
* In a record time of 20 days, a new trust was created by the Tatas for the purpose of relief of employees.
* What is unique is that even the other people, the railway employees, the police staff, the pedestrians who had nothing to do with Tatas were covered by compensation. Each one of them was provided subsistence allowance of Rs. 10K per month for all these people for 6 months.
* A 4 year old granddaughter of a vendor got 4 bullets in her and only one was removed in the Government hospital. She was taken to Bombay hospital and several lacs were spent by the Tatas on her to fully recover her.
* New hand carts were provided to several vendors who lost their carts.
* Tata will take responsibility of life education of 46 children of the victims of the terror.
* This was the most trying period in the life of the organisation. Senior managers including Ratan Tata were visiting funeral to funeral over the 3 days that were most horrible.
* The settlement for every deceased member ranged from Rs. 36 to 85 lacs in addition to the following benefits:
a. Full last salary for life for the family and dependents;
b. Complete responsibility of education of children and dependents – anywhere in the world.
c. Full Medical facility for the whole family and dependents for rest of their life.
d. All loans and advances were waived off – irrespective of the amount.
e. Counselor for life for each person
Nope. But the prosecution will try to bring in enough number of witnesses to prove that it was Kasab who did the firing. Perhaps around 20-30 of them who were close to Kasab, and who can positively identify him. Plus perhaps a few cameramen who can focus on the area etc. etc.AdityaM wrote:Now if Kasab2 tomorrow does a 26/11 in a cricket stadium during a cricket match, then will the prosecution ask for all 50,000 witnesses to be examined?
Just wow!NEW DELHI: Even if Ajmal Kasab gets death penalty in the fastest trial in a terror case, the actual punishment may not come to him as fast, leaving the government with no option but to spend a huge sum on his security, possibly for years till he is finally hanged.
Since Kasab has the option to appeal against the order of the trial court in high court and subsequently in Supreme Court before finally moving his mercy petition to President of India, it will provide him relief for years the way it is for 50 other convicts who have been on death row for years, pending their mercy petitions.
I dont think there is a queue system in case of hanging criminals. Once the verdicts are out, and the mandatory appeals also confirm the sentence the only option is the mercy petition. If that gets rejected (which is a big IF), the black warrant is issued and the execution is carried out. The condemned prisoners are also not held at one single place, it could be in any of the central prisons across the country so there is no requirement of a queue system. The last execution in India was that of Dhananjoy Chatterjee in Kolkotha. Can any one confirm that he was the No.1 in the death row at that time?Tamang wrote:Kasab 51st in queue if it comes to hanging
abhishek_sharma wrote:Kasab gets death sentence.
Nice. Death on 4 counts IIRC.abhishek_sharma wrote:Kasab gets death sentence.
5 counts.manish wrote:Nice. Death on 4 counts IIRC.abhishek_sharma wrote:Kasab gets death sentence.
Thanks, I read it as 4 somewhere, but I stand corrected. Apparently this was Death Sentence #38 for Nikam!derkonig wrote:5 counts.manish wrote: Nice. Death on 4 counts IIRC.
Kasab was given the death penalty on four counts including waging war on India and was awarded the life sentence on five counts.
One reason more witnesses are summoned to bring up more evidence and thus make it more conclusive. Also the accused can always make a hue and cry of "not having enough evidence" against him/her. Yes, all this is cumbersome and can be used to buy time but it is a neccessary evil.AdityaM wrote:I dont know how wheels of justice move, but in larger interest, they should reduce the cross examination time
Congratulations to Ujjwal Nikam for the work he has done, but amongst the criminals for whom he gifted the death sentence, how many of them were actually executed? The media would jump up and down for maximum two weeks, after that Kasab would go back to Arthur Road and the appeal processes would begin. Another one week of joy when HC confirms the sentence, around a year later another round when the SC also confirms it. But then it is time for the clemency petition, which would takes years and years. The nation (i.e we) seems to be happy when a "death sentence" is given, but then are not very keen on actually "executing" it. Perhaps we all expect the God to do the actual executionmanish wrote:Apparently this was Death Sentence #38 for Nikam!
You are not the only one unsure if Kasab / Qasab will indeed be executedSachin wrote:abhishek_sharma wrote:Kasab gets death sentence.. Now just waiting to see when the execution will actually take place.
Afzal Guru and Kasab are completely different cases.arun wrote:
You are not the only one unsure if Kasab / Qasab will indeed be executed:
Not sure if UPA will let Kasab hang: Gadkari
I hope the DDM will put enough pressure on Kasab's execution that PC will have to hang all the 49 guys before him, including Afzal Guru.Sachin wrote:abhishek_sharma wrote:Kasab gets death sentence.. Now just waiting to see when the execution will actually take place.
How can PC call Kasab's number first? Did he (or was it Shivraj Patil) the one who said Afzal guru's number is some 29 or something...sunnyP wrote: Afzal Guru and Kasab are completely different cases.
To appease their votebank in J&K Afzal has been kept alive. But politically it makes no sense at all not to hang Kasab. In fact it would not surprise me to see him hanged just before a local or national election.
KarthikSan wrote:Hmmm...Kasab has been sentenced to death. What's the big deal? When will Pakistan be sentenced and executed? Till then we will keep seeing more Kasabs sent to kill innocent Indians and this DDM tamasha repeated time again
The judge certainly recognizes the urgency. The drama starts now. If the GoI wants to fast-track Kasab's hanging, it can always do by citing various loopholes. For example, he is not an Indian citizen in the first place and so GoI can argue that the queue system of mercy petitions does not apply to him etc. etc. The babus are adept at finding such excuses in a jiffy if they really want. With the new US-funded Aman-ki-Asha, bleeding hearts in UPA may feel that hanging a Pakistani may not be the right way to go about developing trust. OTOH, Pakistan will certainly threaten to execute Sarabjit Singh in retaliation and the Indian government would be hard pressed by Sarabjit Singh's family.The court also referred to the Kandahar hijack incident triggered by the presence of the accused in the custody of the Government of India. Mr. Tahaliyani noted, “By keeping such a person alive there would always be a danger hanging over the government. He is a constant danger. He is a menace to society. He has no right to live.”
It was Shivraj Patil who said that there is a kind of WL/RAC/CONF system in the death row, just like the Indian RailwaysRamaY wrote: Did he (or was it Shivraj Patil) the one who said Afzal guru's number is some 29 or something...
This is what usually happens, without any extra efforts from GoI. Once the death sentence is given, and if the prison has the "condemned cells" the prisoner would be moved in there. Solitary confinement, extra guards etc. Then the appeal processes would begin, and again the mental agony starts.Nirantar wrote:In solitary confinement(8X8 cell) he should wait for the gallows for few months.
This whole "queue system" rhetoric seems to be a plain and simple lie. It is invented by politicians who just do not wish to move ahead with the executions, due to vote bank politics. There has been numerous cases in which death sentences were carried out, without any queue system in place. But in these cases they were murderers who did not have any political confirmation (Ripper Chandran and one Balakrishnan are the two names which comes to my mind. Both committed multiple murders, showed no remorse and hanged to death at Central Prison, Kannnur, Socialist Republic).ramana wrote:There are precedents for fast tracking. Mr. Unnikrishnan mentioned one instance.
Sachin wrote:It was Shivraj Patil who said that there is a kind of WL/RAC/CONF system in the death row, just like the Indian RailwaysRamaY wrote: Did he (or was it Shivraj Patil) the one who said Afzal guru's number is some 29 or something...![]()
. This I think was his excuse to scoot away from the questions raised by journalists in one press meet.
This is what usually happens, without any extra efforts from GoI. Once the death sentence is given, and if the prison has the "condemned cells" the prisoner would be moved in there. Solitary confinement, extra guards etc. Then the appeal processes would begin, and again the mental agony starts.Nirantar wrote:In solitary confinement(8X8 cell) he should wait for the gallows for few months.
This whole "queue system" rhetoric seems to be a plain and simple lie. It is invented by politicians who just do not wish to move ahead with the executions, due to vote bank politics. There has been numerous cases in which death sentences were carried out, without any queue system in place. But in these cases they were murderers who did not have any political confirmation (Ripper Chandran and one Balakrishnan are the two names which comes to my mind. Both committed multiple murders, showed no remorse and hanged to death at Central Prison, Kannnur, Socialist Republic).ramana wrote:There are precedents for fast tracking. Mr. Unnikrishnan mentioned one instance.
And our people will not vote out the Netas because that will spoil their own (albeit smaller) party.shiv wrote:Paki army will not hit our netas because they will react and spoil Paki army's party
Our netas will not hit Paki army because Paki army will react and spoil netas party.
The last execution we had was that of Dhananjoy Chatterjee, which happened two years back. Are we sure that his mercy petition was the first in the FIFO queue (of the Home Ministry and the President)?chaanakya wrote:the President of and forwarded to MHA for advice of the Cabinet.It is probably dealt with on FIFO basis. SO the queue.
Dhanonjoy, hanged on 14.8.2004 , may not be first or last on any list.He was waiting for 14 years before being hanged.Sachin wrote:The last execution we had was that of Dhananjoy Chatterjee, which happened two years back. Are we sure that his mercy petition was the first in the FIFO queue (of the Home Ministry and the President)?chaanakya wrote:the President of and forwarded to MHA for advice of the Cabinet.It is probably dealt with on FIFO basis. SO the queue.
.It is probably dealt with on FIFO basis
The queue system explanation is rubbish and to weasel out of cowardice. While solid articulation was done about "who should have the first right to resources" and queue jumping was being announced with fan fare, may be it is time to invoke the same and fast track the scum to head of the line for the ropechaanakya wrote: That is why one doubts the spacious explanation of queue system.
The idea of queue system is probably floated by some smart alek in MHA to get out of afzal logjam.
The normal practice is to take up these cases in the order in which it reached the President's office. The question now is whether Kasab will wait have to wait till the other mercy petitions are disposed off by the President.
Legal experts told rediff.com that there is no hard and fast rule that mercy petitions should be disposed off in order. The President can take a call and take up the matter out of turn. The President must be satisfied that there is an extraordinary circumstance concerning this case and hence it must be taken out of turn.
The President can also take into consideration the public sentiment involved in the case. Moreover, there is also no first come first serve policy that can be applied in so far as a mercy petition is concerned.
Lawyers say that there is an imminent danger in keeping a mercy petition in cold storage for too long.
Justice Santosh Hegde, former Supreme Court judge, points out that the Supreme Court on several occasions had stated that a mercy petition involves a death sentence and hence cannot be kept in the cold storage for too long.