People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 May 2010 09:09

IISC has been given charter to setup a telecom test and audit center to test all foreign equipment before it can be used in India. I dont understand why we need another Govt run center? better is let IISc run it in its own campus using paid staff kind of like UC manages some govt labs too.

http://www.indiabandwidth.com/db/article/550

IISc to test imported telecom gear

05-05-2010

Temporary measure until Government's test center comes up

The Central Government will use the laboratories of Indian Institute of Science , Bangalore, to test imported telecom equipment for malware, remote login facilities and Trojan horses. This will be a temporary measure until India sets up a telecom testing and security certification centre, where all communications equipment will be scanned before they are deployed on domestic networks

Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee had allotted resources in the 2010-11 Union budget for setting up such a test centre, which will be modelled after China Information Technology Certification Centre (CNITSEC).

"The centre for telecom testing and certification is one module of the proposed scheme for a centre of 'communication security research and monitoring'. A pilot lab has already started functioning at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. A full-fledged centre is likely to be established in the next three years after approval of the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs" junior minister for communications and IT Gurudas Kamat informed the Lower House of Parliament

The lab, when operational will provide the country with a solution to address security concerns associated with 'suspect vendors'. It will help address concerns of the home ministry, intelligence agencies and domestic security agencies that some vendors may infiltrate telecom networks through remote login facilities and Trojan horses which can be used for overseas attacks.

The telecom department's technical arm, called the Telecom Engineering Centre, will undertake this project that will resemble steps taken by several countries such as the UK and the US that have put such facilities to ensure that external elements do not intrude in their communication networks. In China, the CNITSEC operates and maintains national evaluation and certification scheme for that country's IT and telecom security.

After repeated demands from intelligence agencies, the department of telecom (DoT) in December last had made it compulsory for all telecom operators to get security clearance on all networks equipment before deployment.

The move to get security clearance for all equipment was a compromise solution as the government's move to tightly regulate overseas suppliers of telecom gear, especially the Chinese, due to security concerns, had met with stiff opposition from Indian mobile phone firms, which feared such stringent measures would add substantially to their costs.

While the Centre maintains there is no blanket ban on import of telecom equipment and networks from China, Huawei and ZTE say the communications ministry has not approved any contracts that Indian service providers have placed with them since February 18. Existing norms state that the telcos must get the Centre's clearance for all network equipment deals. A total of 109 contracts relating to Chinese vendors have been rejected since then, these documents add.

Input from Economic Times

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 May 2010 11:11

Now when i mean mainland indians, i mean populated areas. NE is sparsely populated and it seems like that density will not shut the chinese are their friends at ADB. Now imagine Arunachal with a population of lets say 15 million and some economic activity, i bet the chinese and india's other enemies would shut up

Murali it's Ok, we're just exchanging povs, however again Chinese can put forward the same reason in occupying Tibet. Developing economic activity there. Populating areas in the manner Chinese do so in Tibet is with a singular aim, to make Tibetans a minority within their own land and decimate their culture by flooding Han. Arunachal is completely pro India and simply wish to preserve their culture and tradition which is possible within India's liberal constitution. Economic prosperity within AP will come from Hydel power and tourism and not forced or schemed settlement for example, which is not required one bit.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 09 May 2010 12:55

Biss and order in the beebuls lepubric...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 908969.cms

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 May 2010 13:34

India getting information on the dam they are building on the brahmaputra does not seem like a big thing. I do not see any change in China's hostile policies towards India. The only thing that has happened is that they have toned down the anti-India mood of the Chinese media. But what is the big deal in that. That can be changed any moment.

Errr, it not that China voluteered this info.

After doing a Pak for many many years ( that is denying Indian allegations outright), China finally accepted building a dam only after India confronted China with detailed hi-res satellite pics of the site.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 May 2010 20:57

Chindu tries to play it down and white washes as usual but this is a serious thing....

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/09/stories ... 120100.htm

Jairam Ramesh is talking nonsense again. This cabinet has too many loose canons completely unaccountable to anyone, including and in particular the PM. That is because they know where they power center is i suppose. Talking like this that too in China makes everyone in GOI look like clowns.

Just about the only rational explanation of this is that he has been unofficially asked to be the good cop and pretend to be friendly. Even then it makes no sense to be so blatant.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 May 2010 21:07

Times of India

BEIJING: India foiled an "ambush China" strategy of western nations including the United States at the climate change talks in Copenhagen last December. This is why Chinese leaders now regard India as a crucial partner in the global arena, Jairam Ramesh, minister of state for environment said here on Sunday.
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"Given our English skills and our more cussedness in negotiating skills we bailed the Chinese out of many a difficult situations. Chinese know India was absolutely essential for the fact that China did not get isolated at Copenhagen," Ramesh said.

What has emerged as a "Copenhagen spirit" of friendship between India and China that has high strategic significance far beyond the issue of climate change, he said. On the other hand, the US is very uneasy with the new spirit of "bonhomie between India and China," he said.

Masaru · Post by **Masaru** » 09 May 2010 21:07

India may need Chinese expertise for projects in Arunachal: Jairam Ramesh

India has drawn up an ambitious program of hydrological projects in Arunachal Pradesh, but it does not have the kind of experience that China has gained in constructing the massive Three Gorges dam, Ramesh said at a gathering of foreign journalists in Beijing on Sunday.

"But our ability to handle vast hydel projects is much less compared to China," he said. The minister did not clarify if India will actually allow Chinese construction companies to operate in Arunachal, which China claims as its own territory.

He explained that both Brahmaputra and Sutlez rivers flowed from Tibet, which is why it was necessary for India to have a continuing relationship with China.

A lot of "scary scenarios" have been painted with some people saying that China will divert the waters of the Brahmaputra to other regions of the country and seriously harm the flows into India, he said. But China has now clarified that it was only building a 540 mw hydroelectricity project on the Brahmaputra.

"A 540 MW run-of-the-river project should not be a matter of as much concern as a storage dam," he said.

The minister was asked if India would protest if China actually built a massive storage dam on the river. "Politically and even ecologically it would be unacceptable for India," he said. A water diversion project would cause alarm in Bangladesh, which is a lower riparian state, he said. {In other words India/Jairam have no objections but he is concerned about BD, has he forgotten which country he is representing ? }

India's ability to run an efficient military acquisition/import program is much worse than Paquistan/PRC not to mention Paqui expertise in ballistic/cruise missile, n-weapons, submarines, running external intelligence agencies. May be all this should be outsourced to Paquis and PRC too?

vina · Post by **vina** » 09 May 2010 22:09

BEIJING: India foiled an "ambush China" strategy of western nations including the United States at the climate change talks in Copenhagen last December. This is why Chinese leaders now regard India as a crucial partner in the global arena, Jairam Ramesh, minister of state for environment said here on Sunday.

Good. And the Chinese will promptly stab you in the back and sell you down the drain at the earliest opportunity. They just did that with the "Chinese 123 for Pakistan" , "Stapled visas for Indians from Kashmir" and next time there is a Paki terrorist attack and India mobilizes, expect Chinese mobilization across the borders of Ladhak and Arunachal and Himachal and other areas separating India and Tibet.

So much for the "Copenhagen spirit". I really dont understand what is it we got out of "bailing" the Chinese . We should have let those MoFos get ambushed and roasted by Unkil and the Oierpoeans.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 May 2010 22:27

A lot of "scary scenarios" have been painted with some people saying that China will divert the waters of the Brahmaputra to other regions of the country and seriously harm the flows into India, he said. But China has now clarified that it was only building a 540 mw hydroelectricity project on the Brahmaputra.

The more Jairam Ramesh opens his mouth, the more he scares me...

The Chinese must be pandering him while laughing inside. He is more like a "useful idiot" for them like Nehru was ~50 years ago..

deWalker · Post by **deWalker** » 10 May 2010 00:24

Masaru wrote:India may need Chinese expertise for projects in Arunachal: Jairam Ramesh

India has drawn up an ambitious program of hydrological projects in Arunachal Pradesh, but it does not have the kind of experience that China has gained in constructing the massive Three Gorges dam, Ramesh said at a gathering of foreign journalists in Beijing on Sunday.

"But our ability to handle vast hydel projects is much less compared to China," he said. The minister did not clarify if India will actually allow Chinese construction companies to operate in Arunachal, which China claims as its own territory.

He explained that both Brahmaputra and Sutlez rivers flowed from Tibet, which is why it was necessary for India to have a continuing relationship with China.

A lot of "scary scenarios" have been painted with some people saying that China will divert the waters of the Brahmaputra to other regions of the country and seriously harm the flows into India, he said. But China has now clarified that it was only building a 540 mw hydroelectricity project on the Brahmaputra.

"A 540 MW run-of-the-river project should not be a matter of as much concern as a storage dam," he said.

The minister was asked if India would protest if China actually built a massive storage dam on the river. "Politically and even ecologically it would be unacceptable for India," he said. A water diversion project would cause alarm in Bangladesh, which is a lower riparian state, he said. {In other words India/Jairam have no objections but he is concerned about BD, has he forgotten which country he is representing ? }
India's ability to run an efficient military acquisition/import program is much worse than Paquistan/PRC not to mention Paqui expertise in ballistic/cruise missile, n-weapons, submarines, running external intelligence agencies. May be all this should be outsourced to Paquis and PRC too?

I don't think he's forgotten which country he's representing. I think he's pointing out that any drop in the Brahmaputra waters coming into India will directly offset the water flow into B'desh. He's letting the Chinese and B'deshis know how India will react. BTW, for this precise reason - China will be pissing off B'desh - that I don't believe they will be doing any major diversion on the Brahmaputra.

naren · Post by **naren** » 10 May 2010 04:08

Masaru wrote:India may need Chinese expertise for projects in Arunachal: Jairam Ramesh

We have such people running the show !!! Why would JR ji want to bring in a party, who has territorial claims to land controlled by us, to the very same land ??? Whats next, we are going to seek Pakistan's expertise in counter terror and bring them to Kashmir ?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 10 May 2010 04:15

No, that's Manmohan who'll be suggesting that.

Meanwhile, here's the Chinese justice system in action:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8671577.stm

Mr Zhao's conviction for murder was reportedly based mainly on a confession. His brother said police had forced him to drink chilli-tainted water and set off fireworks above his head to extract one.

Correspondents say convictions in the Chinese court system are strongly dependent on confessions, motivating police to use force to get one.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 10 May 2010 05:09

sum wrote: The more Jairam Ramesh opens his mouth, the more he scares me...

The Chinese must be pandering him while laughing inside. He is more like a "useful idiot" for them like Nehru was ~50 years ago..

My view is that Jairam Ramesh is under a lot of pressure from western elites (possibly through Sonia Gandhi). He seems to compromise to some extent. But one must appreciate the way he built up public opinion to stall the introduction of GM foods, at least for now.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2010 07:25

On rivers & glaciers, India & China walk on thin ice - The Hindu report
Excerpts

India will not accept any plans by China to divert the Brahmaputra river waters, Minister of State for Environment and Forests Jairam Ramesh said here {Beijing} on Sunday even as he urged the Government of India to expedite hydel projects along the river in Arunachal Pradesh.

China is building a 540 MW ‘run of the river' power generation project on the Yarlung Tsangpo, as the Brahmaputra is known in Tibet. While there are, at present, no plans to divert the river, Mr. Ramesh warned that any project “would be difficult for India to accept.”

“The great fear in India has been that China would divert waters from the Brahmaputra to feed its arid southwest region, thereby impacting India as a middle riparian [country on the middle reaches of the river],” he told journalists. “It would be very difficult [to accept diversion plans] both politically and also ecologically, particularly because of Arunachal Pradesh and Assam. And not only India, but also Bangladesh as a lower riparian would be badly affected.”

“A 540 MW ‘run of the river' should not be cause for great concern, as much as a storage dam [would be],” Mr. Ramesh said

“India needs to be much more aggressive in implementing its own hydel projects… so that our negotiation position vis-à-vis China improves.”

Besides hydrological data, sharing information on glaciers remains another sensitive issue between the two governments.

Mr. Ramesh was scheduled to sign an agreement on glaciological data during his visit here in September, but reservations on the Chinese side, sources said, reportedly delayed the deal. He, however, said, “bureaucratic reasons” delayed the agreement.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 10 May 2010 10:45

From B Raman

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r3802.html

The Indian intelligence agencies have done the right thing in sounding the wake-up call. Instead of taking their warnings seriously and examining what mid-course corrections are called for in our policy of giving a free run to Chinese telecommunication companies, Shri Jairam Ramesh, Minister of State For Environment, has chosen to ridicule the intelligence agencies and the Ministry of Home Affairs for imposing what he has described as needless restrictions and for being paranoid about Chinese investments. He has been quoted as saying: " We are imagining demons where there are none."

How does Jairam Ramesh know whether there are demons or not. Is he feeling happy or important because he is working with the Chinese?
There are people in India whose charter is to look at these things and now the environment minister feels competent to pass such a remark on foreign soil and that too in China.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 May 2010 14:39

Q&A With Robert Kaplan on China

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/discussio ... n-on-china

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 10 May 2010 16:02

PM pulls up Ramesh for his critical comment on MHA

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 May 2010 19:53

abhishek_sharma wrote:Q&A With Robert Kaplan on China

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/discussio ... n-on-china

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... nese-power
There is a map in this article which covers the entire chinese sphere of influence. Can somebody scan for BRF

India is the only country which will oppose the PRC influence but most of asia will accept the Chinese influence. But the author agrees that if Tibet is removed then China will be a rump with no central asia access.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 10 May 2010 21:35

Arunachal Pradesh students body demands Jairam Ramesh dismissal

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 11 May 2010 01:28

Ramesh’s remarks irk China handlers

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Reacting to Ramesh’s ‘revelation’ that India saved China from being isolated in the climate conference in Copenhagen, a senior official said: “We (India and China) did coordinate our positions closely in Copenhagen. But the way it was spoken about (by the minister) was quite undiplomatic.”

Highly-placed sources said the government was also embarrassed by Ramesh’s remark criticising the approach of the security establishment towards Chinese companies seeking to do business in India.

“Now when Beijing will reiterate its allegation that India is discriminating against companies based in China, the complaint will get more weight and it will be a bit difficult for us to set the records straight,” said another official.
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Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 May 2010 01:44

I do not know about Jairam Ramesh however, as a benefit of doubt, I think he may have become a fall guy. It may be a case where some chinese elements in Indian government are planning to do a sell off to China in certain areas and he behaving like a fool and getting admonishment from the Kings and Queens may have stopped the Chinese juggarnaut infiltrating into Indian systems.

But I do not know if there is a politician in this era who can voluntarily become a fall guy and recede into oblivion. Just an alternative thought

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 May 2010 03:06

Muppalla wrote: But I do not know if there is a politician in this era who can voluntarily become a fall guy and recede into oblivion. Just an alternative thought

Wasn't there a famous quote which goes like "There are no political murders, only political suicides"?

Masaru · Post by **Masaru** » 11 May 2010 06:15

The Beijing consensus is to keep quiet

Party leaders are gripped by a fear of losing control and of China descending into chaos. It is this fear, that is a driving force behind China’s worrying external behaviour. Party rule, the argument runs, depends on economic growth, which in turn depends on resources supplied by unsavoury countries. Politicians in Africa in fact rarely talk about following a “Beijing consensus”. But they love the flow of aid from China that comes without Western lectures about governance and human rights.

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 11 May 2010 06:22

Muppalla wrote:I do not know about Jairam Ramesh however, as a benefit of doubt, I think he may have become a fall guy. It may be a case where some chinese elements in Indian government are planning to do a sell off to China in certain areas and he behaving like a fool and getting admonishment from the Kings and Queens may have stopped the Chinese juggarnaut infiltrating into Indian systems.

But I do not know if there is a politician in this era who can voluntarily become a fall guy and recede into oblivion. Just an alternative thought

Hardly. Taken in conjunction with Digvijay Singh's remarks about the Union Home Ministry, and P Chidambaram in particular, a simple pattern emerges. The real power behind the throne is asking PC, and his Ministry, to fall in line.

I hope I am wrong, and it is just a case of this guy being foolish and a loose cannon.

naren · Post by **naren** » 11 May 2010 12:13

Masaru wrote:The Beijing consensus is to keep quiet

Party leaders are gripped by a fear of losing control and of China descending into chaos. It is this fear, that is a driving force behind China’s worrying external behaviour. Party rule, the argument runs, depends on economic growth, which in turn depends on resources supplied by unsavoury countries. Politicians in Africa in fact rarely talk about following a “Beijing consensus”. But they love the flow of aid from China that comes without Western lectures about governance and human rights.
http://media.economist.com/images/image ... asc437.gif

Unkil has beaten India in Chinese appeasement

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 11 May 2010 19:20

China Now Threatened by the IPL!

The Tibetan provincial government has objected to the Dalai Lama watching an Indian Premier League (IPL) match. "The religious leader was trying to prove to be a worthy son of India by participating in the country's favourite pastime," it said in an article published in the Communist Party organ, People's Daily.

Cricket is one of the most popular sports in India and the Dalai Lama of course has to have fun with his 'dad' since he wants to be a son of India

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 11 May 2010 19:27

Manu wrote:
Muppalla wrote:I do not know about Jairam Ramesh however, as a benefit of doubt, I think he may have become a fall guy. It may be a case where some chinese elements in Indian government are planning to do a sell off to China in certain areas and he behaving like a fool and getting admonishment from the Kings and Queens may have stopped the Chinese juggarnaut infiltrating into Indian systems.

But I do not know if there is a politician in this era who can voluntarily become a fall guy and recede into oblivion. Just an alternative thought

Hardly. Taken in conjunction with Digvijay Singh's remarks about the Union Home Ministry, and P Chidambaram in particular, a simple pattern emerges. The real power behind the throne is asking PC, and his Ministry, to fall in line.

I hope I am wrong, and it is just a case of this guy being foolish and a loose cannon.

They are preparing for the scenario when Rahul will ascend the throne. Showing off their loyalty by spewing venom against PC.

Makes me realise that either INC leaders are preparing for RG's ascension which will happen in some time now (may be in coming 18-24 months) or they are preparing for 2014.

naren · Post by **naren** » 11 May 2010 21:56

kancha wrote:China Now Threatened by the IPL!

The Tibetan provincial government has objected to the Dalai Lama watching an Indian Premier League (IPL) match. "The religious leader was trying to prove to be a worthy son of India by participating in the country's favourite pastime," it said in an article published in the Communist Party organ, People's Daily.

Cricket is one of the most popular sports in India and the Dalai Lama of course has to have fun with his 'dad' since he wants to be a son of India

Few weeks back, I posted HHDL's meeting with IPL in the Tibet thread. May be some lurker got angry & responding ?

Who wudda thought PRC meant "People's Republic of Crybabies" ?

Good good. I'll keep doing it. My humble way of saying thanks to the great, independent nation of Tibet for preserving the lost Indian culture for more than thousand years.

I think PRC is feeling insecure because the cricket stadium in Dharamsala is going to host IPL next season. Chankian move by GOI to give unprecedented attention to the exile community onlee

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 May 2010 22:03

It would have been double chanakyan if they decided to build stadiums and host IPL in Itanagar or Tawang, Demchok or Gulmarg

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 May 2010 23:37

The Chinese team was stripped of the bronze after a two-year investigation by the International Olympic Committee, said Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics.

Questions were raised when Chinese gymnast Dong Fangxiao - who competed in the 2000 Summer Games - signed up to volunteer at the 2008 Olympics. There, she submitted paperwork that revealed her actual birth date.

"It showed that she would have been 14 in Sydney, not 16," Penny said. To qualify for the Olympics, athletes must at least turn 16 years old in the Olympic year.

"Gymnasts look young anyway," Maloney said. "It's really hard to tell."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/bro ... z0ne9mGWnh

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2010 09:09

Is jairam really that stupid or is there something more to all this?

Is he sucking up to the powers that be for some cushy international appointment, world bank or UN type of sinecure.?? This would explain his perpetual anti India stance by showcasing his "refreshing, transparent, balanced and intectually independant" POV. Maybe he is gunning for pachuri's job??

Stupid would get most peoples votes.

If this worthy was chinese, they would have very rightly shot him the same day.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Chinese-m ... 42379.aspx

Chinese media praises Jairam

HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times

Beijing, May 12, 2010

A State-run Chinese newspaper on Tuesday fully backed environment minister Jairam Ramesh’s controversial comments made in Beijing on India’s ‘alarmist’ attitude to Chinese investment.

While Ramesh battles a backlash in New Delhi for criticising the home ministry, the Beijing-based China Daily said his remarks ‘seem prudent’.

The English newspaper is considered an official mouthpiece of the Communist Party’s domestic and foreign policies.

The English newspaper is considered an official mouthpiece of the Communist Party’s domestic and foreign policies.

“To dispel suspicion about Chinese investments, India should treat China more as a trustworthy partner instead of as a potential competitor,” it said. “A higher degree of political trust is needed to build a healthier economic and trade relationship.”

The editorial quoted Ramesh saying in Beijing that India should take a ‘much more relaxed’ approach to Chinese investment and remove ‘needless restrictions’.

“Skirmishes over trade have arisen from time to time in recent years, with most such disputes being instigated by the Indian side,’’ said the editorial, claiming that the latest import restrictions on Chinese telecom equipment violate World Trade Organisation norms and could ‘chill Sino-Indian friendship’.

Also

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/12/stories ... 320100.htm

Chinese media wade into Jairam controversy

Ananth Krishnan
Wednesday, May 12, 2010

BEIJING: China's official media have now waded into the controversy surrounding Minister of State for Environment and Forests Jairam Ramesh's remarks in Beijing, praising him for speaking out against restrictions on Chinese companies but criticising his comments on Chinese dams on the Brahmaputra river.

The state-run English-language China Daily backed Mr. Ramesh in an editorial on Tuesday, saying the reported restrictions on the import of equipment from telecommunications firm Huawei, under the scanner in India for security reasons, “could chill Sino-Indian friendship.”

“In this regard, the remarks by Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh seem prudent,” the newspaper said in a rare lead editorial on India.

The government-controlled newspaper, which is largely aimed at an overseas audience, also called on both countries to “handle on-going trade frictions delicately.”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 May 2010 09:41

abhishek_sharma wrote:Q&A With Robert Kaplan on China

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/discussio ... n-on-china

MaKinder Vacinder is all humbug. The way to control the important world is to control India and Indian Ocean. the British did that from 1700 to 1945 an built their world empire. If you lad in Central Asia all you get is frozen behind.

Chetak, I think he had a brief to curry favor with PRC for hedging by building on the Copenhagen concord. Unfortunately it appears he exceeded it. Need to watch him and his statements. He has the typical Indian disease of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

He did object to the Hydel project which got drowned in power play in UPA.

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 May 2010 10:03

X Posted.

naren wrote:
Sanjay M wrote:New school attack sees more children 'hacked to death'

Gee, these embittered Chinese are as bad as the vindictive Pakis

In a one-child-only society, they really know how to hit where it hurts.
It looks like it's becoming a copycat trend.
Seems "picking on the little guy" is in their psyche.

Han soldiers pick on unarmed Tibetan monks.

Disgruntled abduls pick on helpless children.

This is what happens when you remove dharma from the society.

arun wrote:Being students seems to be rapidly set to joining miners as being a high risk occupation in PR China.

A third attack on children in school in as many days:

Five children hurt in third China school attack in three days

No question about it. The frequency of attacks of children in schools is certainly making being a student join mining as a high risk occupation in PR China.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 12 May 2010 11:39

Wife forced to abort, hubby kills official

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2010 03:28

India vs. China on cyber-security
http://blogs.cfr.org/asia/2010/05/12/in ... rsecurity/

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 13 May 2010 04:24

Old Age Dependency Ratios in China Growing Rapidly:

http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/old-ag ... .html#more

Worst is of course Japan:

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 May 2010 06:58

Hacker Nation: China's Cyber Assault

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/arti ... -2010.html

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 May 2010 08:54

His Rajya Sabha term was to end very soon anyway (july?)

It's high time that such characters quit. I simply cannot believe how this egoistical and opinionated ass has channeled his undoubted intellect into activities inimical to the core interests of India.

No doubt as to why he is being praised in the chinese press.

Good riddance.

From wiki

Ramesh attended St. Xavier's School, Ranchi in 1961-1963 in classes 3 to 5. He graduated with a B. Tech. in Mechanical Engineering from the Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay (IIT-B). In 2001, IIT-B presented him with their Distinguished Alumnus Award.

Between 1975-77 he studied at Carnegie Mellon University's Heinz College and received a Master of Science in Management and public policy. In 1977-78, at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology he studied technology policy, economics, engineering, and management, as part of the newly-established inter-disciplinary technology policy program. He has not mentioned any degree earned there.

He is a founding member of the Indian School of Business in Hyderabad and is a member of the International Council of the New York-based Asia Society. Ramesh has been an Honorary Fellow of the Institute of Chinese Studies, New Delhi since 2002. He considers himself a student of Buddhism.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jaira ... e/618254/0

Jairam offers to resign, Govt yet to decide

Posted: Thu May 13 2010, 02:25 hrs
New Delhi:

Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh has offered to resign from the Union Council of Ministers for embarrassing the country by criticising his own government’s policy on China while on a visit to Beijing. It is learnt that he made the resignation offer to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday.

Official sources told The Indian Express that the Prime Minister and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi were seized of the matter and no decision had been taken yet.

The issue was said to have been discussed at a meeting of the Congress Core Group this evening. Sources said the leadership was of the view that Ramesh had crossed the line by questioning his country’s policy on foreign soil and this could not be condoned.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 May 2010 09:10

ramana wrote:
Chetak, I think he had a brief to curry favor with PRC for hedging by building on the Copenhagen concord. Unfortunately it appears he exceeded it. Need to watch him and his statements. He has the typical Indian disease of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

He did object to the Hydel project which got drowned in power play in UPA.

Ramana ji,

If your premise is right and it seems eminently plausible that it may be, then he will be renominated to the Rajya Sabha and suitably rehabilitated.

The entire exercise was thoroughly botched up by jairam's bull in the china (pun intended!!) shop approach.

Has the man no finesse?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 May 2010 09:25

Sometimes big noise is needed to get small things done.
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