Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

saip · Post by **saip** » 12 May 2010 05:16

Chilean police have detained a Pakistani man who entered the US Embassy in Santiago with traces of explosives on his clothes.

What can you study in Chilie? I mean first of all its a poor country not sure if they have any educational institutes of repute for international students. Plus if there is one it will be in spanish where are pakis with madarsa education cannot really fathom any details. Yawn news in morning said he was working in construction or something

I think the guy was working in Chile for the past three months (and knowing pakis, most probably illegally) and wanted a visa to USA

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 May 2010 05:44

A silly observation, but all Pakistanis carry at least a whiff of TNT (Two Nation Theory) on them, that is actually more destructive than any conventional explosive.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 May 2010 06:23

A_Gupta wrote:A silly observation, but all Pakistanis carry at least a whiff of TNT (Two Nation Theory) on them, that is actually more destructive than any conventional explosive.

Some one told me TSP =TableSpoon , so TableSpoon of TNT might be very charachteristic Najariye Pakistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 May 2010 06:32

A_Gupta wrote:A silly observation, but all Pakistanis carry at least a whiff of TNT (Two Nation Theory) on them, that is actually more destructive than any conventional explosive.

Good one.

In any case "traces of TNT" on his bag means that the TNT probably rubbed off onto the bag at home in the Islamic Republic of Whore-istan and went undetected en route because it was "traces" and no a device. This guy would have flown Egyptair, or Malaysian airlines or some biratherly carrier that looks but does not sniff.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 May 2010 06:33

Another Secret Graduate of BRU doing the correct dissection of Paki Pigology.
Halal Link
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3
The terrorist question —Dr Man zur Ejaz

The main difference appears to be the perpetual indoctrination of morbid ideology and state sponsorship of private religious militias in Pakistan: no other Muslim country, even theological states like Saudi Arabia or Iran, sponsors private religious and sectarian militias for domestic use or to achieve strategic goals. Probably, every state, other than Pakistan, knows fully well that the rise of private militias is bound to threaten the state’s monopoly of using power and coercion.In addition, the US funding and concoction of international jihad — never a part of Muslim ideology before the anti-Soviet crusade in Afghanistan — broke the camel’s back. Pakistani Muslims were always vulnerable to such a disastrous worldview because of the indoctrination based on fictional history of the Muslim invasion and conquest of India.Most importantly, the Indian Muslims led by immigrants from north and central Asia had a streak of pan-Islamism. They seriously believed that they had conquered India, not for economic gains, but to spread Islam and end ‘kufr’. They had a typical imperialist mindset to perceive themselves as civilisers of the pagans and backward people. Like all colonists, the idea of universality of their faith or worldview and its imposition was essential to justify their occupation. The British, and later on the Americans, have used similar logic for colonialism and imperialism.The Muslim intelligentsia, particularly the historians, presented exaggerated and distorted characterisations of their invading patrons. Every Muslim ruler was presented as a destroyer of idols and appropriator of pagan wealth. The numbers were fudged and exaggerated to make their patrons more palpable to occupiers/immigrants and the audience back home in north and central Asia.

For example, Mahmud of Ghazni is presented as the destroyer of the Somnath Temple, who took back home gold and silver loaded on 100 camels and horses. Ms Thapar, an Indian historian, has proved that old manuscripts (Pali, Gujrati, etc) do not show that Mahmud ever reached Somnath or it was ever a significantly wealthy Hindu temple. Instead, it was a local temple rarely maintained by the local Hindu rajas. Furthermore, given the size and impoverishment of the population of those days, the amount of gold looted from Somnath does not make any sense. Most probably, it is a make-believe story concocted by Muslim court-historians. It suited Hindu nationalists too to make a case against Muslim occupation and, therefore, they did not challenge it either.The converted Muslims remained backward and looked up to the invader/immigrants’ intellectual leadership and adopted their worldview. After the decline of the Mughal Empire, the Muslim intelligentsia never gave up the idea of Muslim domination and was always keen to start revivalist movements. Like their perception of fictional history, they were so detached from world reality that while Turkey was taken over by the secularist Kemal Atatürk, Indian Muslims were demonstrating for the restoration of the Usmania (Ottoman Empire) caliphate. The movement for the restoration of the ‘Khilafat’ was the most farcical, to say the least. In those days a ‘danda force’ led by a lunatic named Ilam Din in Lahore exhibited the crude violence a Muslim revivalist movement can resort to.

Whichever way one interprets the twists and turns of the history of the Pakistan movement, the new Muslim state inherited the traditional Indian Muslim mindset. The invader/immigrant worldview of history was the ethos of the Pakistani state from the very beginning. Even Jinnah’s personal secular thinking and lifestyle could not sway the traditionalists and in a couple of years Islamisation was put on the agenda through the ‘Qarardad-e-Maqasid’ (Objectives Resolution). School curriculums were structured by the traditionalists, specifically the Deobandis, portraying the Muslim invasion of India as an act of benevolence by great Muslim emperors. Even invaders like Nadir Shah and Ahmad Shah Abdali, who just came for loot and plunder, were portrayed as great men. Pakistan’s naming of its missiles after these invaders’ names shows how much the morbid worldview of traditionalist Muslim history has been transferred to our new generations.The core of the Pakistani establishment has always remained loyal to the traditionalist Indian Muslim skewed worldview. Even secularists like General Ayub Khan and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto could not change this discourse in a substantial way. In this backdrop, when Ziaul Haq intensified the process of Islamisation and private religious/sectarian militias were sponsored by the state, the dynamics of theocratic radicalisation and destabilisation were unleashed. The US funding and training of these militias transformed them into a lethal force. They were deployed against the Soviets and then against India, but ultimately they were going to threaten the state of Pakistan and its cohort superpower, the US.

Good Dr Proove the Theory of them being ousider , mentally or Physically and the land they live on do not belong to them

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 May 2010 06:40

Shankas wrote:Just heard this on CNN IBN
Dude walks into the US Embassy in Chile
Explosive sensing detectors go of...
Dude is arrested, he went in to get a US Visa
He had been in Chile for 4 months on a student visa

No points for guessing where this genius is from

How does a Paki go to Chile? There has to be some "facilitator" - a fellow Paki - possibly RAPE who is already there and has set up a Paki support system to bring in more Pakis. I hope the rarified atmosphere of Chile has not befuddled Chilean brains so much that they do not figure this out.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 May 2010 06:53

Krishna-Qureshi talks in Islamabad on July 15

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/12/stories ... 080100.htm

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 May 2010 06:53

Pakistan waiting for response to note verbale

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/12/stories ... 761400.htm

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 May 2010 06:55

The great Pakistan aid debate

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37040.html

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 12 May 2010 06:56

Prem wrote:Another Secret Graduate of BRU doing the correct dissection of Paki Pigology.
Halal Link
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3
The terrorist question —Dr Man zur Ejaz

i think i'll take this with a pinch of salt. i smell taqqiya here. dissing tsp in first para and then peddling revisionist theories in the next, is like grimmet clicking his left hand, to fool batsmen to anticipate a flipper, even as he bowled the standard leg spin with his right. i think he is playing with thapar's thesis. i dont think she denied somanth being sacked. the best person to deconstruct this is b.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 May 2010 06:59

Senators Demand Tighter Rules on No-Fly List and Addition to Terror Group List

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/world ... igate.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 May 2010 07:08

Prem wrote:Another Secret Graduate of BRU doing the correct dissection of Paki Pigology.
Halal Link
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3
The terrorist question —Dr Man zur Ejaz

Afghanistan is occupied by the US, Palestine by Israel and Kashmir by India, but how come none of the terrorists caught in Mumbai, Washington or New York is an Afghan, Palestinian or Kashmiri? Why do the nationals of these countries struggle on their own land instead of throwing bombs in far off places like Mumbai and New York?

Wrong dear doctor. Wrong. The Muslims of Afghanistan, Palestine and Cashmere are oppressed by the kafirs in those lands. Pakistanis are a free people who are protesting in support of the suppressed Muslims. How can you expect a suppressed people to revolt without help? Pakistan represents free Muslims and Pakistanis will always provide moral and diplomatic support to oppressed Muslims anywhere. Criminals are there in every country. Blaming Pakistan every time a criminal is caught reeks of racism and islamophobia.

US funding and concoction of international jihad — never a part of Muslim ideology

You mean jihad is not Islamic?

The main difference appears to be the perpetual indoctrination of morbid ideology and state sponsorship of private religious militias in Pakistan: no other Muslim country, even theological states like Saudi Arabia or Iran, sponsors private religious and sectarian militias for domestic use or to achieve strategic goals. Probably, every state, other than Pakistan, knows fully well that the rise of private militias is bound to threaten the state’s monopoly of using power and coercion.

Sir - Islamic tanzeems and lashkars are not "private militias". They are soldiers of Allah (God). They all work for a common purpose and a common leadership. Their leaders are Allah and his Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) It is you who are mistaken in trying to usurp their power in favor of a "national state government". You, sir, are anti-Islamic yourself. God has promised fire of hell for munafiq like you sir. Change your ways and repent

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 May 2010 07:36

Pakistani official: No, we didn't capture Mullah Omar

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ullah_omar

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 12 May 2010 07:43

Suppiah wrote:Like I posted many weeks ago, though Unkil is outwardly singing praise of kiya-nahin, he is creating facts on the ground by these drone attacks - it appears most are targeting the pigs that kiya-nahin considers 'assets'.....this is bound to create suspicion in the mind of pigs that kiya-nahin is selling them out by providing GPS coordinates.

Have you considered (atleast I had not, until now), that Ameerkhan has finally mastered paki game of duplicity. They now send drones at will, beat the crap out of pakis, all the time promising goodies, H &D and praising the paki jernails. When will the pakis learn?.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 May 2010 08:16

Guddu wrote: Have you considered (atleast I had not, until now), that Ameerkhan has finally mastered paki game of duplicity. They now send drones at will, beat the crap out of pakis, all the time promising goodies, H &D and praising the paki jernails. When will the pakis learn?.

It is the Pakis who taught the US the real meaning of duplicity. I believe the US is on a losing wicket here. The US trying to clean up crap with crap after designating one part of the crap as "touchable" and another part of the same crap as untouchable. It is another matter that the currently untouchable crap was touchable in the cold war under Reagan.

But in some ways the US has a point. The "touchable crap of Crapistan" - the Pakistan army has shown a distinct willingness to accept payments and bribes from the US. Since the main payment they ask for is weapons and support against India, the US has provided that in abundance. But still the whore army pockets the bribes and does not deliver.

The number of times US admin people - right from the days of Bush to Ombaba - have declared Paki army/govt as "allies" and as "showing cooperation" is interesting. Pakis themselves are not denying that. I mean the Paki army does not have the guts or the shame to say "No we are not an ally of the US. We are not cooperating". They behave like the servant in India who steals from your kitchen but does not run away from praise. He wants to keep on stealing and pretending that all is well. And naturally he is likely to assume that all is well if you insist on praising him despite his being a thief, or alternatively you are getting more out of him than your piffling kitchen losses.

But the latter does not seem to be the case. I am not sure that the US is getting all it wants. Pakistan certainly is getting more from the US than it could have hoped for considering the gutter-scum position Pakistan was in. The US is a generous master and the whoring Pakistan army know that. There is definitely a cultural gap here. An ounce of dignity would cause the Pakistan army to rethink its relationship - but they are two-timing slaves. They take the money, agree to be enslaved and yet do not do the work demanded of them - exactly like the man who lost a bet that allowed the winner to sleep with his wife ten times. He thought he was fooling the winner by keeping count of the number of times only intermittently.

The US is either stupid or helpless. I don't think the US is stupid. The US depends on echandee as much as Pakistan. The US cannot show weakness in public. It will make grandiose but useless actions - like Bay of Pigs, military engagement of Somalia, hostage rescue in Iran and cruise missiles on Al Qaeda camps. All these give the impression that the US is powerful and effective. But it is pretty helpless wrt Pakistan.

But nobody will believe it unless the US admits it. The US will never admit weakness. Half the US's power lies in its self image and an illusion of power. The US prefers being called stupid than weak just like it is better to be called a ba$#ard than a Pakistani.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 12 May 2010 08:32

The US is in relation to Pakistan what Germany is in relation to Greece.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 12 May 2010 08:35

shiv wrote:How does a Paki go to Chile? There has to be some "facilitator" - a fellow Paki - possibly RAPE who is already there and has set up a Paki support system to bring in more Pakis.

Could this have anything to do with the fact that Chile's ambassador headed UN investigation into BB's assassination?
Quite possibly the "establishment" guy sent over there to teach a lesson perhaps.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 May 2010 08:41

Prem wrote:Another Secret Graduate of BRU doing the correct dissection of Paki Pigology.
Halal Link
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3
The terrorist question —Dr Man zur Ejaz

Bakwaas!
The problem in Pakistan is the lack of sekoolarism.
This leads to no counter argument other than the one the local mulla-ji is pulling out of his musharraf. Local mulla-ji pull out one suppurating odious argument after the other, each another step up in the ladder of ridiculousness.
The common abdul absorbs this bull$hit 24x7, sees that even political netas nod in agreement (Just like the Sharif brothers are doing these days - cultivating jihadi leaders for the elections).
Add to that the feudal set up in Pahk-istan, low literacy levels (Even the educated there are illiterate).

In multicultural societies, there is a natural balance, where counter arguments always filter through.
For example, In india, there is a huge interaction of people of various religious backgrounds. There is universal understanding that we've got something good going here, why spoil it.
Now look at the US. The extreme reaction there against Pakistanis or the threat of that, has us witness to the pakistanis there calling their paki brothers who are hell bent on Jeehard to leave. That is the natural balance that is starting to work there.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 May 2010 08:44

Satya_anveshi wrote:Could this have anything to do with the fact that Chile's ambassador headed UN investigation into BB's assassination?
Quite possibly the "establishment" guy sent over there to teach a lesson perhaps.

Looks like Pakis have discovered latin america as a new place to spread their pakistaniyat. Ever since Brazil sold them those MARS anti radiation missile, and I think some embraer jets, the pakis have been wanting to go there, because of the extra -liberal, extra-open society there

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Given that all the shuttle cock burkas that are flourishing back home in Pakh-istan, what they get to see there must be divine.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 12 May 2010 08:45

Now the number of friends is 4, shall we say?
Iran has agreed to supply oil to Pakistan on deferred payment terms, says the news item quoted below. So, the number of friends of Pakistan has moved up from 3 and a half to 4.

Iran offers oil on deferred payment: stopgap arrangement till operation of IP gas line
Iran has offered to Pakistan a stopgap arrangement for provision of crude and furnace oil on deferred payment to meet the energy crisis till the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project becomes operational, Business Recorder has learnt.
...

link

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 May 2010 08:52

Ambassador jehadi pig attacked in Iran by Afghan!

AOA

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 May 2010 09:13

r_subramanian wrote:Now the number of friends is 4, shall we say?

No, Iran cannot earn that coveted distinction so easily. One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 May 2010 09:36

Saleen Shafi interviews Brig Imtiaz.

For the uninitiated, Brig Imtiaz a.k.a Billa (because of his eye colour), is former director of Pakistan's Intelligence Bureau (IB) and ex-ISI. He earned notoriety for his role in:
1. Operation Midnight Jackal to destabilise the government of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in 1989.
2. Mehran bank scandal: 1990-1994 in which senior politicians and political parties were found to have been bribed by military and intelligence officers to prevent the re-election and destablize the PPP govt.
3. Jinnahpur Cosnpiracy: an alleged plot to form a breakaway state to serve as a homeland for the Urdu-speaking Muhajir community. ISI found maps of the separate homeland from MQM's offices, and then launched Operation Cleanup to target MQM activists. Brig Imtiaz later reveals that the maps were fabricated.
4. He is thought to be involved in the killing of General Zia ul Haq and General Akhtar Abdur Rehman in 1988. Akhtar Rehman's son Humayun Akhtar Khan, has claimed that Brig. Imtiaz encouraged his father to board the C-130 with zia.
5. He was imprisoned on corruption charges in 2001 as part of the national accountability drive of Pervez Musharraf.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jgJIYGiiQ Attempt to bribe Altaf Hussain on the behjest of Hamid Gul.
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW50u8M81gw Movement of Pakhtoonistan and Azad Balochistsan, money made by others in the course of the Afghan Jihad, his personal assets,
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R9c4yIrlBw Assets etc. The conspiracy case against him. Jinnahpur conspiracy, and politicians alleged involvement with India.
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDX5Asx9K0 Al-Qaida support for a coup in Pakistan. BB's Letter to America/UN secretary general asking for pressure on pak army - he says BBs signature was forged. Says that Shiekh Rashid was on ISI's payroll. Says that MRD (Movement for Restoration of Democracy) was acting under RAW's collaboration and was directed to collborate with the Joye sindh movement.
Only for those into serious Pakquistan studies.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 May 2010 10:30

Since you seem to have seen them can you give highlights of the videos?

Thanks, ramana

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 12 May 2010 11:20

Another episode of Jirga by Saleem Shafi: He talks about Af-Pak with the paki conspirators and Col Imam and Brig. Asad Munir - who was head of MI in NWFP/FATA during the post 9/11 policy reversal by Mushy and later as ISI area chief NWFP & FATA.
Also an interview with Farookh Wardag - Afghanistan's Minister of Education on the taliban. This video is dated March 12, 2010.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZzOCrtbIo
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHcykkpXGgM
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeAZdQrihKU
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huzDwnXGcm8
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5bYVlsIfw

Farookh Wardag talks about the arrest of talibs in pakistan, the afghan plan for a jirga in afghanistan. Lots of history of the Af-Pak war in here and the sequence of events. The usual Justification of pakistan's actions in Af-Pak here. The usual finger pointing at everyone.
Long story short, there is one message Col Imam sends to Pakistan. The talibs are coming, there is going to be nice little Highly pure vs merely pure, peasant vs vadera battle in south punjab, balochistan and sindh.

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 12 May 2010 12:29

So who’s surprised?

Just as the country was settling down to the usual terrorist attacks on our armed forces and police and the weekly bomb attacks somewhere or other in the Citadel of Islam by the former (?) friends and buddies of our establishment, the self-appointed keeper of this country’s morality and ideology, another jihadi with links to Pakistan, was apprehended in the United States trying to blow up Times Square, New York, New York. Well, surprise, surprise.

For, please consider that every wannabe mass murderer terrorist in recent times, or shall we say post 9/11 times, has in some way or another had something or the other to do with our unfortunate country. Take the most disgraceful-looking, the most vicious criminals Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem aka Tariq Raja the shoe bomber and Jose Padilla aka Abdullah al-Muhajir aka Muhajir Abdullah. Please go to the Internet and look at the photographs of these two beauties and read their illuminating bios.

Both were in and out of prison all their lives; from borstal institutions to prisons for hardened criminals, convicted and jailed on charges ranging from minor theft to armed robbery to murder by kicking people’s heads in. Both ‘found’ Islam and became jihadists. Both, you guessed it, travelled to Pakistan several times each to be trained in the art of mass murder... It is important to expose these people, because nothing in the world recommends them for a visa to visit any country, even laid-low Pakistan.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 12 May 2010 12:58

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237575
Explains the situation that the Pakis are in pretty well.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 12 May 2010 13:36

ArmenT wrote:http://www.newsweek.com/id/237575
Explains the situation that the Pakis are in pretty well.

Also
The hands that fed them
This starts with the dispatch of Khwaja to meet his 72 and comes to this in the context of his "peace-mission" to the badlands

What Khawaja wasn’t counting on was the fact that the groups, now led by very brash 20- and 30-somethings, have no regard for the older leaders, most of whom are either under arrest, have gone underground or stay at a safe distance from the war zone.

The younger fighter-leaders also have no previous linkages with any of the intelligence agencies. They have been burnished in the crucible of a war in which intelligence agencies like the ISI are seen as siding with the enemy — that is, the United States. The ISI is to be attacked and the last two years have seen multiple attacks on the agency’s detachments, safe houses and vehicles.

People are coming to the same/similar conclusion about the main operators. The conclusion that the current breed cannot be controlled in the way it was possible with the previous generation seems to be an escape route for the uniformed Jihadis. The other aspect is that all of the activities/missions directed against Indian were traced to Pakjab and AK based groups (LeT, JeM). If these are closed down or morphed into something new, and all blame for future michief can be put on the new breed mentioned above, the PA/ISI can start to look like not against the Kufr India.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 May 2010 14:37

iirc Chile is one of around 22 countries given visa-free entry into US.

I am sure there must be paki/arab rings there setup to impart fake chilean citizenship and get them into US.

this guy probably infiltrated that pipeline with another aim in mind, thinking quite reasonably that security in US south american embassies would be low.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 May 2010 14:51

kenop wrote:The hands that fed them

From the above,

North Waziristan has become a witches’ brew.

Ejaz Haider is very, very economical with truth here. North Waziristan is probably better off compared to the rest of Pakistan. Let me state what is really the brew.

The powerful and autonomous ISI,

the indoctrinated Army & ISI officers both serving and retired leading to a close linkage between the regular Army and the terrorist organizations,

the mullahs spreading venom every Friday from the kutbah,

the Pakistani State's involvement with extremist organizations - benign in certain cases and active in others,

the State's tolerance of the presence of militias of Uzbeks, Chechens, Turkmens, Tajiks, Uighurs, Indonesians and Arabs who have all cut deals with the tribes of NWFP for protection, hospitality and support,

the lawlessness of the FATA where the Federal laws of Pakistan do not operate,

the intra-Afghan strife after the withdrawal of the troops from FSU and the involvement of Pakistani security and intelligence agencies in the intrigues and power struggles,

the huge cache of funds and leftover arms from the Afghan campaign,

increasing poverty caused by decades of economic mismanagement,

an opium industry patronized by the Taleban, Al-Qaeda and the ISI as an easy source of funding for procuring arms and promoting terrorist activities,

the spiralling madrasseh generously supported by fundamentalist charity organizations from the Middle East, especially the Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, spewing out the extremist Wahhabi or Deobandi interpretation of Islam,

the capitulation of the Government to the increasing Talibanized appraoch of these madrasseh,

the indoctrination of young minds even in mainstream non-madrassah schools as a state policy,

the fratricidal sectarian wars between Sunnis and Shias on the one hand and mohajirs and natives on the other, the intra-sectarian conflicts among Sunni Wahhabis, Berelvis and Deobandis,

the deep ethnic fault-lines among the Punjabis, Seraikis, Sindhis, Balochis an Pashtuns,

the collective hatred against the Americans, Jews and the Hindus (the Yahud-Hunud-Nasara conspiracy to deprive the Muslims of their rightful place as popularized in Pakistan),

a single minded obsession to defeat a much bigger and more powerful India militarily
and the State policy to use terror as a weapon against India and Afghanistan

all acted as a potent mix, and continue to do so with increasing vigour, in the terrorism brew.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 May 2010 18:39

^^^^
Very briefly, if India's problem is that Pakistan is a collection of jihadi entities and a captive population masked by the face of a modern nation-state - why Pakistan is not perceived as Somalia - when would the IMF give Somalia a loan? what standing does Somalia have in international bodies? where are Somalia's 3.5 friends? etc. - then paradoxically the solution may be to cede Afghanistan to Pakistan and make the intl. community hold Pakistan responsible for what ensues.

The mask is already slipping and if the Pakis have problems with South Waziristan, then those will magnify N-fold with the addition of Afghanistan.

The result would be a larger but a explicitly jihadi area that then the world will have to try to isolate.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 12 May 2010 18:48

The more I am following the events and reactions of past few weeks my conclusions are getting stronger of what is going on. Looks like every actor in the game thinks he can control the other player and situation but sadly this control is partial at the least or in some cases just a hope more than conviction.

To elaborate lets start from begining of this story

1947: US funds pakis thinking they can now control pakis and use them in anti communist strategy as well as cannon fodder in any future conflict similar to how British used them in WW1 & WW2. (Reference JF Dulles we need pakis because they have Gurkhas). So unkil is pretty confident of pakis and money & arms flow in. Pakis are playing double game of using this money and weapons to fight India. So in 1965 pakis fight India with unkill's toys and that upsets unkil who thinks pakis are unreliable ally so they reduce aid and weapons to porkies. So till 1965 unkil was under the illusion that it can use porkies for cold war and porkies thought they could fool unkil to win gazwa at the end nether really was faithful to the other.

1950: Porkies especially mohajirs & bengalis who were vanguards of pakistan movement thought they could rule the new moth eaten country. But the blood bath of partition had made pakjabis and pashtuns taste the blood and smell power so all those muhajirs and bengalis who thought they could control pakjabi & pashtoon gennie were in for a rude shock

1971: Pakjabis thought they could control bengali aspirations with brute force and were in for a rude shock to see SDRE kicking their backside and unkill only providing lip service

1972: Bhutto starts islamization of truncated west pakistan thinking he can deflect peoples attention to islamic identity and he can rule the country for eternity

1977: Zia takes over islamic indoctrination was in top gear so the jeannie that jinnah thought he had controlled post partition was not consumng his moth eaten country once more. Not just madarsas but main stream schools were getting lessons in islamiyat and jihad and hatered for kafirs. A complete nazi program was stated

1979: Unkil wants to give soviets their own vietnam and so decides to enlist saudi for their dollars and ideology & porkies for cannon fodder and foot soilder to start the jehad. Unkil thinks once it is over it can bottle the jeannie and forget the whole matter. The two partners in crime have their own agenda the house of saud thinks it can use this opportunity to promote its brand of salafi wahabi islam to poor countries and this will deflect the mullas in their own countries from their misrule. pakis this was a god sent opportunity where they could kick start their nuke bum program as well as get conventional weapons from unkil that they desperately needed. They also were getting money and glory for wajing jihad.

1981: Zia decides that he can use the experience that he has gained from afghan theatre and apply it to Punjab & Kashmir to bleed India. I feel unkil was not really for or against this at that time but pakis were already branching from the script that unkil had prepared for their version of soviet vietnam. Same time people like OBL were branching from house of saud and becoming more autonomous in their thinking

1989: Soviet's pull out and Soviet Union is dissolved unkil packs it bag and asks these stooges to switch off the program but neither are interested in pulling the plug. So porkies and saudis continue the program and unkil is indifferent.

1990: mujahideen that were funded by these three and thought to be in their control are not as controlled as thought fighters like Masood go independent and fighters like rabbani & hekmetyar are still under some paki control and fighting erupts that no one can control

1994: Bosnia provides a platform for saudi & paki jihadis to showcase their global brand of islam and with breakup of yugoslavia they are intoxicated in power of jihad. Around same time pakis create taliban since it does not have much faith in rabbani. They think they can control this fraction.

2000 USS cole incident shows OBL & AQ are out of control of saudis and porkies

2001 proves this even further and now it also proves that talibans are not completely in ISI control. Same time ISI is not in control of itself when people like khwaja who are sent to omar actually are conveying oppsite message of what they were told

2003: TSPA which till now was in control of itself is showing cracks and some lower level officers and retired jernails are plotting against musharraf

2010: FS incident shows that pakis really have no control over who is getting indoctrinated one of their own (miltary family) is now ready to blow up everything.

2010: new generation of talibunnies are not in control of old bunny commanders and acting as independent war lords.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 May 2010 18:56

A_Gupta wrote:^^^^
Very briefly, if India's problem is that Pakistan is a collection of jihadi entities and a captive population masked by the face of a modern nation-state - why Pakistan is not perceived as Somalia - when would the IMF give Somalia a loan? what standing does Somalia have in international bodies? where are Somalia's 3.5 friends? etc. - then paradoxically the solution may be to cede Afghanistan to Pakistan and make the intl. community hold Pakistan responsible for what ensues.

The mask is already slipping and if the Pakis have problems with South Waziristan, then those will magnify N-fold with the addition of Afghanistan.

The result would be a larger but a explicitly jihadi area that then the world will have to try to isolate.

Ahem - not to blow my trumpet too hard but this is how my e book (dated about 2006) ends
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

Pakistan can be compared to a broken biscuit whose pieces are held together by some wrapping paper. The area labelled as Pakistan on maps is called Pakistan, but that area is not wholly under the control of any single government or leadership, as one would expect of a normally functioning nation-state. The first fragment of the biscuit that broke off was Bangladesh, in 1971. There is no guarantee that the other fragments of this dysfunctional state will hold together.

Pakistan is already a nation that is only partially under control of its government which is basically the army. Only 5% of Baluchistan, Pakistan's largest province, is under Pakistani control. Tribal law rules the sparsely populated land. The Pakistani government has little or no control over the Federally Administered Tribal Areas the so called FATA. Areas of Pakistan's first city, Karachi, are outside government control.

Gaining control of Pakistan is easier said than done. As indicated in Chapter 12, Pakistan is awash with illegal weapons. The FATA areas are home to hundreds of small arms factories and shops that sell them (151). With 18 million illegal firearms, Pakistanis outside the military and government have enough weapons to equip several armies, and anyone trying to bring heavily armed private militias under control will have to contend with a lot of firepower.

But as the history of nations shows, if the Pakistan government is unable to control its own territory, someone else is likely to step in to fill the vacuum sooner or later. Therein lies the real significance of having large areas in a country that are out of governmental control. The fact that a government can only govern areas that it controls means that areas beyond government rule are ripe for control by some other force or alternate government. These schisms are begging to be exploited. The United States already has a powerful military presence in Pakistan, and perhaps that is an eerie harbinger of yet another civilization set to rule this lawless land.

Pakistan is perhaps fortunate that the nation state of India is not yet as adept and conscious of international hegemonic games and how India can interfere to bring law and order to the fraying edges of Pakistan. But that may be changing as the lawlessness of Pakistan continues to spill into an increasingly powerful India as terrorism, forcing India to become conscious of its role and responsibility in the region.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 May 2010 19:28

Alternate explanations of the Faisal Paki needs to be constructed. The case is suspicious.

1. Pak army knew about the plot, but either through cooperation or benign neglect let the plot proceed. The reasoning being that subsequent US crackdown on TTP will benefit the TSPA. This might be an explanation of Clinton Sahiba's outburst about (a) Next attack would have consequences (b) Some in Pak army know what OBL is and what ALQ is upto (c) Telegraph reporting that "rogue ISI" might be behind the plot. A surprising coincidence is that TTP is doing the same thing it did after BB's assasination: First claiming credit and once they knew that they had been taken for a ride, denying responsibility. Another supporting evidence is that in Pakistan, the team formed to probe the attack consists of members from a dozen different agencies (trying to keep an eye on each other?)

2. Faisal Paki is TTP version of David Headley. But just like DCH, went a step too far, found his inner pakistani and personally participated in terror. That could explain his calm actions when summoned to exit the plane (allegedly asking the officers if they were FBI or NYPD)

3. Faisal Paki is TTP version of David Headley trying to build street cred through shoddy bumming and then using the cred to penetrate TTP. However was prematurely caught in the nick of time by clueless border security.

4. Conventional explanation: Faisal Paki was neither a TSPA asset nor an unkil asset but just a Paki who found his "inner Pakistani"

The actions of US guvrmand in subsequent days will clarify many things. If it is (2) or (3), expect some kind of plea bargain. If it is (4), expect some kind of FBI registration of all Pakis in the US (I know that it was done after 9/11, but a renewed drive is likely if it is clear that US citizens of Paki origin are finding their inner Pakistani). If it is (1), expect some unkil pressure for purges in ISI and Unkil *not* labeling TTP a terrorist organization.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 May 2010 20:07

Shiv you should publish the book in EPUB format so users that use Nook or Kindle, Sony Reader etc., can read them in a nice way....helps spread the word amongst the newgen crowd...

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 12 May 2010 20:42

Pakistan Can't Connect Taliban to Times Square Bomb Plot (Global Security)

Soon after U.S. law enforcement officials detained Faisal Shahzad, 30, Pakistani investigators nabbed Muhammad Rehan, a member of the militant organization Jaish-e-Mohammed who was said to be Shahzad's only known connection to extremists in Pakistan.

Rehan, though, did not introduce Shahzad to the Pakistani Taliban or any other entity that could have recruited the Pakistani-born Connecticut resident for the bomb plot, Pakistani officials said.

“We have not found any involvement of Rehan (in the New York bombing attempt). He didn’t introduce Faisal Shahzad to the Pakistani Taliban,” said a Pakistani government security agent familiar with the probe of Shahzad's local affiliations. “No Taliban link has come to the fore," the official said. “There are no roots to this case, so how can we trace something back?” he added.

Further, Pakistani authorities reported no findings to back Shahzad's repeated claim that he was trained in bomb construction in the South Asian country's Waziristan region.

U.S. Central Command head Gen. David Petraeus, though, described Shahzad as a "lone wolf" who was "inspired by militants in Pakistan but didn't have direct contact with them."

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 12 May 2010 20:47

Cotton May Be New Dispute for India, Pakistan (Wall Street Journal)

Pakistan is fighting back after India banned raw cotton exports last month, creating a new bone of contention in an already frosty relationship.

“It’s a slap on the face of free trade in the global economy,” said Mohsin Ayub Mirza, a textile manufacturer in Karachi and chairman of the Pakistan Readymade Garments Manufacturers & Exporters Association.

Pakistan argues that India should honor contracts for 200,000 cotton bales for which letters of credit have already been issued, says Ikhtiar Baig, a Karachi-based garment producer and federal adviser to the government on the textile industry.

“Pakistan is against India’s ban on cotton exports,” Mr. Baig added.

The two governments are discussing the issue.

Tens of thousands of people took to the streets in Karachi and Faisalabad on Tuesday to call for an immediate ban on yarn exports. While peaceful for now, the protests risk further destabilizing India’s neighbor.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 12 May 2010 20:57

kenop wrote:The other aspect is that all of the activities/missions directed against Indian were traced to Pakjab and AK based groups (LeT, JeM).

AK based groups??

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 12 May 2010 20:59

A ruse to pressurise Pakistan? —Mohammad Jamil (Daily Times)

US has a very stringent set of procedures to be complied with before granting American citizenship. And it would not be wrong to say that this is a foolproof system. But once he or she is naturalised, they are American for all intents and purposes. By referring to nativity or ethnicity of a suspect or culprit, they conveniently shirk their own responsibility by blaming others. If their national, whether by birth or residence, is involved in a terrorist act, none else but they themselves are responsible for his heinous act.

... it is not difficult to conclude that this is a gimmick to keep Pakistan under pressure and push it to go after the Haqqani network in North Waziristan.

It should be borne in mind that an act by a Pakistani does not mean that Pakistan as a state is involved. There is a perception that it could be part of a conspiracy to neutralise the goodwill Pakistan has earned by decimating the terrorists’ infrastructure and strongholds.

Having said that, the US government should strive every nerve to ensure protection for Americans of Pakistani origin, who have to face the brunt after every botched attempt or real terrorist act.

It has to be remembered that none of the perpetrators of 9/11 was a Pakistani or an Afghan.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 12 May 2010 21:05

Major chunk of Paki export depend on import of cotton from India .

Paki being tactically genius tried to get facourable access to Western market at the cost of Indian export. Pak larkis, both Cotton and Paani bund will make you nanga ,bhookha and pyasa.