Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 May 2010 01:21

Can we stick to topic please. No more off color remarks in this thread or forum.

Thanks, ramana

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 05 May 2010 02:18

His father is a ret air force officer!

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 05 May 2010 02:43

Karna_A wrote:I bet pretty soon more smoke will come out of him than ever came out of the SUV. If history is any indication as below, he will ride more F-16s on his back side than his dad ever did.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/ ... 8023.shtml

Before going to his cell, Omar says prison officials videotaped him as he was stripped naked and given a rectal exam in front of an audience of male and female agents.
“I don't feel like a man, you know, once they're searching me like this,” says Omar. “I don't feel like a man.”

Some one needs to show this to big tooled pdf jihadis. Especially ones in US UK & Kanada.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 05 May 2010 03:03

From 1990 onwards, comparing the terrorist strikes in US or West vs. India, there is one remarkable difference.

(a) All strikes in India had direct ISI hand. The piglets were directly trained by Military and sometimes used TSP military equipment. There was NO spontaneous terrorism whatsoever.
(b) All strikes on US were spontaneous, with home grown Jihadis with no direct support from ISI.

Conclusions:

(a) It is therefore theoretically relatively easy for India to fend of attacks as pressure on ISI will stop attacks. The attacks on India are more effective due to better training and better equipment.
Also for India the enemy is clear. Its TSPA and ISI.
(b) It is more difficult to stop attacks on Western targets as the terrorism is more home grown and spontaneous, though less effective due to less formal training.
For West, the enemy is more diffuse broadly militant Islam.

India is therefore in a War with ISI, whereas West is in War with Radical Islam.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 May 2010 05:48

Shahzad placed on no fly list, but got on plane

http://www.politico.com/blogs/lauraroze ... plane.html

[Terrorism suspect Faisal] Shahzad was placed on a "no-fly" list Monday after he was identified as the buyer [of the Nissan Pathfinder], [FBI official John] Pistole said. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano declined to say how Shahzad was able to board the flight if he was on the "no-fly" list.

In September 2009, Mr. Shahzad was sent a letter notifying him that he was being sued over a $218,400 loan from a mortgage arm of Chase bank. The mortgage covered the single-family home with an assessed value of $242,690 on Long Hill Avenue in Shelton. The bank took Mr. Shahzad and his wife, Ms. Mian, to court. One or both appeared before the court last fall and filed affidavits about their debts that were entered in the court record as recently as last month.

NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports that a senior U.S. official familiar with events surrounding the capture of Shahzad says if the security system had worked properly, "He should have never been able to get on that airplane."

According to the official, Shahzad's name was put onto the U.S. "no-fly list" about 11 a.m. Monday, some 12 hours before he was taken into custody aboard that United Arab Emirates flight that pulled away from the gate at JFK, bound for Dubai. As required, once the plane was locked up and started to pull away from the gate, the airline submitted the final manifest to customs. According to one official, "We're extremely fortunate that alert agents caught the name, and ordered the plane to return to the gate."

"Instead, the airline noted that Shahzad made his reservation on the way to the airport and paid cash for the flight, alerting U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the source said."

the Post reported. Reports said he had one U.S. and two Pakistani passports.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 May 2010 05:51

THE CASE OF FAISAL SHAHZAD

Posted by Steve Coll

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/s ... ahzad.html

Last week, before the Times Square incident, I was talking with a former U.S. intelligence officer who worked extensively on jihadi cases during several overseas tours. He said that when a singleton of Shahzad’s profile—especially a U.S. citizen—turns up in a place like Peshawar, local jihadi groups are much more likely to assess him as a probable U.S. spy than as a genuine volunteer. At best, the jihadi groups might conclude that a particular U.S.-originated individual’s case is uncertain. They might then encourage the person to go home and carry out an attack—without giving him any training or access to higher-up specialists that might compromise their local operations. They would see such a U.S.-based volunteer as a “freebie,” the former officer said—if he returns home to attack, great, but if he merely goes off to report back to his C.I.A. case officer, no harm done.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 05 May 2010 08:38

Despite the attempts of the Atlantic-leaning American Left to claim that there was no proof of any Al-Qaeda/Taliban link to the bombing, the reality keeps shining through:

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 05 May 2010 10:24

Obama Gives a Manmohan-style Response ("Vee vill not bow to terrorism!")

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04332.html

As if VIPs hiding behind legions of security men face the same threat as the unprotected public.

Maybe such politicians can forego their entourage of bodyguards just to give a token show of solidarity with the vulnerable masses. (As if!)

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 May 2010 11:03

^^^
... and he virtually ran through that statement about how 'these terrorists are out to destroy our way of life'.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 May 2010 12:07

Manny wrote:His father is a ret air force officer!

Would be Pakistani descent car bomber of New York’s Times Square, Faisal Shahzad’s father Baharul Haq is indeed a retired Air Vice Marshal of the Air Force of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan who went on to serve as the head of the Islamic Republic’s Civil Aviation Authority:

NY bomber's father big shot in Pak military

The would be Pakistani origin Times Square car bomber’s connections to the top levels of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan does not end there. Faisal Shahzad was the nephew of Major General (Retd) Tajul Haq who served as the Inspector General of Frontier Corps (IGFC):

Faisal Shahzad’s father vacates Peshawar house

The “ Jihad-fi-Sabilillah” or translated “Jihad in the path of Allah” part of the motto of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to have leaked across service lines and indoctrinated the offspring of those who served into attempting to commit acts of Jihad half way across the world.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 05 May 2010 13:24

He is obvously a RAPE, So now does this mean that the RAPE class are getting deeper and also very openly drawn into the Jihadi activities. This could be a sign of desperation..

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 May 2010 14:00

^^^ A fish rots from the head down

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arun · Post by **arun** » 05 May 2010 14:01

The Wall Street Journal citing the cases of Islamic Terrorists Faisal Shahzad, Najibullah Zazi, Daood Gilani aka David Coleman Headley and Bryant Neal Vinas on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s “prominence in recent years as a place where individuals, including American citizens, can receive training in the use of weapons and explosives for attacks back in the U.S.”:

Pakistan Still Magnet for U.S. Terror Suspects

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 05 May 2010 19:31

Pakistan is 'epicenter of Islamic terrorism'

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/05/z ... an.terror/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 May 2010 02:58

praksam wrote:Pakistan is 'epicenter of Islamic terrorism'

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/05/z ... an.terror/

Fareed Z getting enlightened and making the case.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 06 May 2010 08:51

Breaking News (CNN): Robert F. Kennedy Bridge, New York, shut down! U-Haul truck abandoned on bridge. Strong smell of gasoline (petrol) observed. Bomb Squad on site and investigating.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 May 2010 09:21

All clear being announced right now ~9:00 PM PST.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 May 2010 15:46

X Posted. Excerpt from the US State Department press briefing dealing with the matter of the Islamic terrorist Shahzad Faisal who originated from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and tried to car bomb New York’s Time Square.

Sections of the US media it would seem are not very impressed with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s track record in reining in IT ie: Islamic Terrorism:

Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
May 5, 2010 ………………………….

QUESTION: Can you be a little bit more specific about these conversations that Ambassador Patterson had and Ambassador Holbrooke had with their interlocutors?

MR. CROWLEY: In what respect? Well, I mean, the investigation is obviously ongoing. The FBI and Justice Department are in the lead. Pakistan is taking its own steps and we expect we’ll do more as more information is yielded through this investigation. So I think we have a full and complete pledge of cooperation from Pakistan. We’re heartened by that. And we will move forward step by step as we go through this and try to determine who else might be implicated.

QUESTION: Yeah, but what did they talk about?

MR. CROWLEY: I mean, the –

QUESTION: Did Patterson walk into Zardari’s office and he said “We’re going to cooperate fully,” and she said “Great, thanks,” and then left? What did they – can you – I mean, is there any substance there?

MR. CROWLEY: Of course there’s substance there, but – I mean, we will be exchanging information as the investigation is ongoing. Whatever leads are generated –

QUESTION: Okay. Well, was there an exchange?

MR. CROWLEY: -- here in the United States, we would fully expect Pakistan to follow up on. Pakistan, as you’re seeing, has already taken its own steps. I’ll defer to the Pakistani Government to describe what it is doing. So we are touching all the right bases. You have law enforcement, intelligence officials that have established contact with their counterparts in Pakistan. And I mean, remember, we are still in the early stages of this investigation.

QUESTION: Right. I guess – but I just – what was the purpose of these meetings?

MR. CROWLEY: The purpose of the meetings was to operationalize that as we have an investigation here, it is to inform Pakistan that we – there are clear links to Pakistan and that we would fully expect them to do what they should do and what they have been doing. I mean, as you know, Pakistan has itself faced this significant threat. Probably in the last year, there have been more Pakistanis killed by terrorists than in any other country. We’ve long recognized that this is – it’s a shared threat, it’s a shared responsibility, and there’s a commitment on both sides to fully cooperate as this investigation unfolds.

Once you get that kind of political commitment, then it moves down through the relevant agencies. And we are encouraged by Pakistan’s response since the bombing happened, or the attempted bombing happened on Saturday.

QUESTION: That means that you’re pleased with what they’ve done so far?

MR. CROWLEY: I’ll defer to Pakistan to –

QUESTION: I’m not asking what they’ve done.

MR. CROWLEY: Yeah. I mean –

QUESTION: Are you happy with what they’ve done so far?

MR. CROWLEY: I think it’s more a matter of what we do from this point forward.

QUESTION: P.J., let me try it a little different way. Did they talk about arrests that the Pakistanis had made?

MR. CROWLEY: I will defer to – we are certainly aware of various reports of arrests. We don’t have a number that we can verify. That really is for Pakistan to announce. Obviously, the individual in custody had links to Pakistan, has family members in Pakistan, and I think we understand that there are – that law enforcement have made contacts with family members and are questioning them and are (inaudible) taking their own steps to do their part of this investigation.

QUESTION: Look. Ambassador Patterson was in a meeting with senior Pakistani officials.

MR. CROWLEY: We are not –

QUESTION: I’m not asking you to –

MR. CROWLEY: Okay.

QUESTION: -- announce arrests. You say you’ve seen reports of arrests. Did the subject of arrests come up in a meeting that your ambassador was in -- or in the meetings?

MR. CROWLEY: I happened to talk to Ambassador Patterson this morning myself. I asked her about that issue. And she indicated, at this point, we are not in a position to verify any number of arrests by Pakistan.
Yes.

QUESTION: There have been some reports about ties between Pakistan’s ISI and militants in Waziristan. Did this come up at all with Ambassador – did Ambassador Patterson bring this up at all?

MR. CROWLEY: I mean, without prejudicing the current investigation, let me take it slightly higher. This has been a topic of conversation between the United States and Pakistan for several years. And obviously, Pakistan in the last couple of years has recognized that elements in the past that Pakistan has supported and links – potential links between terrorist networks or terrorist organizations now threatens not only regional security, but Pakistan itself.

So – but let’s not jump ahead of the current investigation. Clearly, there are international implications to what occurred in Times Square. We are investigating those. We would expect Pakistan – and would fully expect Pakistan will help us with that. But as to where that investigation takes us, this is still way too early to make that judgment.

Jill.

QUESTION: P.J., a change of subject?

MR. CROWLEY: Go ahead.

QUESTION: No, wait. Can we stay – can we please stay on this?

MR. CROWLEY: Sure.

QUESTION: Are you seeking access to anyone who might be detained by the Pakistanis? Have you requested –

MR. CROWLEY: Since – we are not aware of any specific arrests at this point, but I think you safely – safe to say that our law enforcement-intelligence relationship is very strong. Should there be arrests and should we see clear links to what happened here – we have, in the past, asked for that kind of access, but that’s more an issue for Justice.

QUESTION: Well, but wouldn’t the request come from you? And in the past, you asked – you have asked for access, and you’ve been turned down.

MR. CROWLEY: Yeah. Well, all right. This is part of the investigation, and for that, I would defer to Justice. But I think we are confident in our – the relationship we have, and let’s let the investigation take its course.

QUESTION: Well, but the record isn’t – the record of cooperation in this area is not – I mean, you haven’t yet ever been able to talk to A.Q. Khan.

MR. CROWLEY: I think – put it – rest assured that Pakistan understands that this investigation is important to the United States, it is important to Pakistan. We will expect full cooperation. There has been a pledge of full cooperation. And now as we go forward, I think based on those strong political commitments, I think we are confident that we can work through those issues together.

QUESTION: Did the ambassador – when she met with Zardari and Qureshi, did she give a – sort of a list of things that the U.S. would consider full cooperation? You say we expect to have it in (inaudible) future. Is there a game plan for how this goes forward – that she was bringing to them?

MR. CROWLEY: I think that – I mean, as our investigation here proceeds, and to the extent it points to possible events in Pakistan, I expect we will make specific requests of Pakistan in terms of cooperation. But we’re still very early in the investigation.

QUESTION: Just following up, did the ambassador give a list of names of associates of the suspect Shahzad here, to check out?

MR. CROWLEY: I mean that – those are the kinds of things that are – that can be done at that level, but it also can be done at a working level.

QUESTION: So you –

MR. CROWLEY: Again, I’m just trying to say, look, I’m not going to get into the tos and fros of the investigation of itself. We are confident that we have a pledge of cooperation from Pakistan. I think there’s a mutual recognition of why this is important to both countries. And now, we’ve got to let the investigation take its course.

QUESTION: So is that essentially what the meeting – the two meetings were, is just getting a pledge of cooperation?

MR. CROWLEY: I’m not going to – I wasn’t in the meetings with the ambassador and the president and the foreign minister.

QUESTION: Well, you spoke to Ambassador Patterson.

MR. CROWLEY: I understand that. I’m just – I’m telling – but –

QUESTION: When you came out and you announced that these meetings had happened, it was the first thing you said.

MR. CROWLEY: We came away from these contacts today with full confidence that we are on the same page in terms of how this investigation will proceed.

QUESTION: Just to pin something else down, did Ambassador Patterson have any meetings with Pakistani officials yesterday as well, or just today? And the same for Ambassador Holbrooke, in addition to the (inaudible).

MR. CROWLEY: I think yesterday, Ambassador Holbrooke talked with Ambassador Haqqani, the Pakistani ambassador to the United States. I’m sure that Anne Patterson had contacts with Pakistani officials yesterday. I mean, she meets with them all the time, so it could well be that she had regularly scheduled meetings and then this issue was part of that discussion.

US State Department

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 07 May 2010 16:36

DNW: Faisal Shazad could be a double agent on the lines of DCH.
Questions Faisal Shazad's actions, like why he didnt hide his face. Why did he leave evidence in his car. Did he want to be caught? Was the device purposely amateurish to feed US intel wrong info and get caught to send a message?
- He decided to stay at home for 3 days before going to JFK. He was under surveillance from Sunday night apparently, why wasn't he stopped and why was he allowed to board the plane. It was an alert customs official that noted he had been added to the no fly list.
- So if this guy was under massive surveillance then why didnt they know he was going to fly out of the country? DNW asks if he was negotiating with US intel directly.
- The taliban actually came out and denied that they were responsible claiming: "hatched by the US and its allies to trap Muslim and Pushtun youth in terrorist activities" .

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There is also a section of the behaviour of ISI and how Britain was refused cooperation to inflitrate the Taliban to prevent 7/7 style attacks.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 May 2010 17:08

X Posted. The failed attempt of demonstrating the IEDology of Pakistan in New York’s Times Square is causing some introspection among those whose descent originates in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Here is an individual originating from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan who would rather be identified as Indian

:

Sometimes, I long for the blurry cultural identities of the 80s, when elementary school friends lumped all Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan and Egyptian immigrants in one brown-hued bucket: "India." Who wouldn't rather be affiliated with "Slumdog Millionaire," Metro PCS's Ranjit and Chad, Chicken Tikkah Masala, Bhangra remixes and Bollywood instead of religious extremism and Al Qaeda?

Read the complete lament in Salon

:

What I understand about Faisal Shahzad

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 May 2010 17:17

X Posted.

Sri wrote:Shahzad Case Shines Spotlight on Pakistan's Jihad Tourism

No surprise that in a country such as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan where the Army revels in Jihad by adopting the motto “Iman. Taqwa. Jihad-fi-Sabilillah” or translated “Faith, Piety and Jihad in the path of Allah”, it would turn out to become a Mecca for Jihad Tourism.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 07 May 2010 23:01

Shahzad close friend of 26/11 mastermind: Report
Posted: May 07, 2010 at 1247 hrs IST

New York Times Square terror bombing plot suspect Faisal Shahzad was a childhood friend of one of the alleged masterminds of the 2008 Mumbai massacre, a media report said, as US investigators traced his links to another Pakistani militant outfit Jaish-e-Mohammad.

Quoting sources, ABC news said Shahzad was a close childhood friend of one of the alleged masterminds of the Mumbai carnage, in which more than 166 people were killed.

However, the television network did not identify the Pakistani mastermind. While the lone surviving terror gunman involved in the massacre, Ajmal Amir Kasab, has been sentenced to death by an Indian court, seven other suspects including LeT commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, are facing trial in a Pakistani court.

The Pakistani Taliban are denying any role in the botched car bombing, but have praised Shahzad for a "brave job done", ABC said, adding that the suspected bomber was also in contact with former Tehreek-e-Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed in a US missile strike in 2009.

"The Mehsuds had been family friends of Shahzad, who is a son of a former high ranking Pakistani military officer," the American television network said quoting Pakistani sources.

The US authorities are pressing Shahzad on his claims of terrorist training and a high level FBI team is in Karachi to question four apprehended members of Jaish-e-Mohammad militant group.

Shahzad was in touch with a man named Mohammad Rehan who helped him to travel to Peshawar and then to Waziristan and introduced him to Taliban.

Rehan is one of the four suspected Jaish militants picked up by Pakistani intelligence for questioning as a search for Shahzad's terror links has led US and Pakistani investigators to Karachi's Bathha mosque and religious school.

Rehan, ABC reported was detained as he left the mosque after early morning prayers on Tuesday. The mosque is run by Islamist militant group Jaish and Masood Azhar, the founder of the outfit who was released from an Indian jail in 1999 in exchange for a hijacked Indian Airlines plane, is a frequent visitor.

Azhar was freed along with two other dreaded militants Sheikh Omar, who is on death row in a Pakistani prison convicted of beheading Wall Street reporter Daniel Pearl and Kashmiri militant Mushtaq Ahmad Zargar. The three met Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden before leaving Kandahar for Pakistan, US media reports said.

ABC said Jaish-e-Mohammad operated terrorist training camps in Afghanistan during Taliban regime.

The American television network said an official briefed on FBI interrogation had said that Shahzad had told federal agents that he was angry at CIA missile strikes in Pakistan and suffered a personal crisis.

He also reportedly said that he carried out the attempted bombing because he was under duress and that he feared for his family's safety if he didn't fulfil the mission.

ABC also said that Shahzad was also in contact with notorious Yemeni cleric Anwar Awlaki. The New York Times reported that Shahzad was "inspired" by the words of the radical cleric who is a US citizen."

So far, seven men have been arrested in connection with the foiled bomb plot in Times Square. Shahzad continues to cooperate with the FBI in giving information about the foiled bomb plot.

Based on the several round of interrogation of Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square bomb suspect, and initial investigations both in the US and Pakistan, authorities now say that the Pakistani American had ties with the Pakistani Taliban.

However, media reports said, the federal investigating authorities have so far not been able to determine the nature of those ties.

"A US official said earlier in the day that connections to TTP were "plausible," but noted that numerous connections among insurgent groups in Pakistan made it difficult to zero in on a single responsible group" CNN reported.

The advance came shortly after a senior US official said that new leads developed from the Pakistani end of the investigation show Shahzad likely had training in Pakistan from extremists.

"A senior US Official now says there are new leads that show that the Times Square bomb suspect, Faisal Shahzad, did likely get training in Pakistan. US investigators there have questioned men suspected of ties to a Pakistani militant group and they're continuing to connect the dots here in the United States.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... rt/616352/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 May 2010 00:44

^^^ Totally worthless report as it doesn't detail which mastermind of 26/11? From the silence could be David Headley?

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 May 2010 10:26

The involvement of India born “Kaafir” US Federal Attorney Preet Bharara in prosecuting Pakistani origin “Momin” terrorists is being viewed as a conspiracy by the Urdu media of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Translation of an article that appeared in Roznama Nawa-i-Waqt by MEMRI:

Urdu Daily Sees Conspiracy, Says: Faisal Shahzad Arrested, Charged And Confessed In One Day, Too Good To Be True; U.S. Federal Attorney Is Hindu With A Jewish Wife

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 08 May 2010 19:45

Mohammed Rehan is the chap who was in Muscat who paid for/helped organise Bangalore attacks I think.

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 May 2010 09:57

Salim Mansur in the Toronto Sun on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan‘s malign role as the breeding ground of “IT“ and here he does not mean “Information Technology” but rather “International Terrorism” specifically of the “Islamic Terrorism” variety:

Pakistan a breeding ground for Islamism

By SALIM MANSUR, QMI Agency
Last Updated: May 8, 2010 2:00am ..........................

Pakistan is the fertile breeding ground of Islamism for reasons that are intrinsic to its history and politics. It is the only country forcefully established with Islam as a nationalist ideology that a majority of Muslims in undivided India — including Muslims of what constitutes present-day Pakistan — rejected.

Since Britain conceded to the demand for Pakistan in the face of religious frenzy pushed by middle- and lower-class Muslim activists, the country’s history has been a series of failures of its own making. These failures have deeply embittered the thinking of that class of Pakistanis from whose rank the ruling elite comes, and whose regular pastime is to parcel blame to others for their part in making Pakistan a terrorist-exporting rogue and failed state. ………………….........

Toronto Sun

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 May 2010 10:07

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is racking up one epithet after another for its fondness for indulging in “IT”, here short form not for “Information Techno;ogy” but rather for “Islamic Terrorism”. Adding to the Toronto Sun’s above epithet of “Breeding Ground for Islamism” we have AFP terming the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a “Nursery of Global Jihad”:

Irresistible lure of Pakistan as nursery of global jihad

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 May 2010 10:27

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan racks up yet one more epithet for its fondness for indulging in “IT”, here short form not for “Information Techno;ogy” but rather for “Islamic Terrorism”.

Adding to Salim Mansur’s epithet of “Breeding Ground for Islamism” in the Toronto Sun and AFP’s “Nursery of Global Jihad”, we have Fareed Zakaria in Newsweek terming the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as “Terrorism‘s Super Market“ :

Terrorism’s Supermarket

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 May 2010 10:35

This article in the Pakistan Observer claiming that the arrest of Pakistani origin Islamic Terrorist Faisal Shahzad in New York might well be an Indian conspiracy assisted by "Zionists Agents" and India born US Federal Attorney Preet Bharara to malign the Islamic Republic of Pakistan certainly needs to be X Posted here:

jrjrao wrote:MEMRI can save itself some translation trouble by just opening up the earth-e-shaster rag:

There smells a Pak-bashing rat
Exclusive
Tanvir Siddiqi
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=29879
slamabad—The arrest of Faisal Shahzad, a US citizen of Pakistan origin in connection with Saturday’s failed New York Times Square car bombing might well be a conspiracy hatched by India to tarnish image of Pakistan and force the US to put more pressure on it in the fight against terrorists. According to leading analysts, Faisal Shahzad’s prompt confession shows that the failed plot was certainly part of a wider conspiracy. Faisal Shahzad seems to have been lured by Indian and Zionist agents to achieve their nefarious designs. Pakistan, the only nuclear power in the world, is an eye-sore for both Israel and India whose animosity towards the Islamic countries is well known to every one.

The handling of the case by India-born US Federal Attorney Preet Bharara, who was also spearheading the prosecution of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed leaves no doubt about the outcome of the trial as he would be guided more by allegiance to his country whose bellicosity towards Pakistan is well known.

Handling of the case by an Indian-born Hindu establishes the conspiracy theory against Pakistan. On the one hand it might be aimed at tarnishing Pakistan’s image as a front line state against terrorism and on the other an attempt to dub the Kashmiris, struggling for their right to self-determination as terrorists. It is no more a secret that in view of its sinister designs against Pakistan, India is fully siding with the terrorists.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 May 2010 09:24

X Posted with a hat tip to Brad Goodman.

The Christian Science Monitor in an article titled “Educated and radical: Why Pakistan produces Faisal Shahzads” ponders the question as to why members of the educated Pakistani elites like Faisla Shahzad, Aafia Siddiqui and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed get seduced by “IT” and here I do not mean Information Technology but rather Islamic Terrorism and spreads the same around the world:

Educated and radical: Why Pakistan produces Faisal Shahzads

In Pakistan, educated middle-class youths such as Faisal Shahzad, the accused Times Square car bomber, have ready access to jihadist and other radical, anti-American resources.

By Issam Ahmed, Correspondent / May 10, 2010

Islamabad, Pakistan

What turns the affluent and educated offspring of the Pakistani middle-classes – young people such as Faisal Shahzad – toward militancy?

That’s a question some Pakistani analysts are mulling following the arrest last week of Mr. Shahzad, the accused Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad. If found guilty, he would add to a string of high-profile college-educated terrorists of Pakistani origin, including “Lady Al Qaeda” Aafia Siddiqui and 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

While the United States and the international community attempt to combat religious extremism through economic development, such as a recent American aid package to Pakistan pledging $7.5 billion of nonmilitary aid over 5 years, some argue that fighting poverty and illiteracy are not enough. Instead cultural factors, such as a virulently anti-American media, “toxic” syllabi at public schools, and the general availability of jihadist material may have become dangers as well. ……………………

CSM

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 May 2010 09:37

Karna_A wrote:From 1990 onwards, comparing the terrorist strikes in US or West vs. India, there is one remarkable difference.

(a) All strikes in India had direct ISI hand. The piglets were directly trained by Military and sometimes used TSP military equipment. There was NO spontaneous terrorism whatsoever.
(b) All strikes on US were spontaneous, with home grown Jihadis with no direct support from ISI.

Conclusions:

(a) It is therefore theoretically relatively easy for India to fend of attacks as pressure on ISI will stop attacks. The attacks on India are more effective due to better training and better equipment.
Also for India the enemy is clear. Its TSPA and ISI.
(b) It is more difficult to stop attacks on Western targets as the terrorism is more home grown and spontaneous, though less effective due to less formal training.
For West, the enemy is more diffuse broadly militant Islam.

India is therefore in a War with ISI, whereas West is in War with Radical Islam.

Very good analysis. Bilkul satya vachan.

And on the contrary the Indian elite thinks its at war with radical Islam and gets paralyzed.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 May 2010 12:31

X Posted.

Yet another case where the State Policy of the Government of the Islamic Republic of supporting Islamic Terrorism globally is sought to be buried by claiming that “State Actors” are somehow “Rogue”.

The UK Telegraph is reporting that US investigators believe that there may exist a possible link between Faisal Shahzad, the failed Pakistani origin Islamic Terrorist who tried to car bomb New York’s Times Square and “Rogue” intelligence agents of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Rogue Pakistani intelligence agents 'involved in Times Square plot'

American investigators believe rogue Pakistani intelligence agents may have been involved in the Times Square bomb plot, a potentially devastating blow to the country's shaky anti-terror credentials.

Rob Crilly, in Islamabad
Published: 6:00AM BST 11 May 2010

They are probing a possible connection between Faisal Shahzad and Pakistan's powerful military and intelligence establishment.

His background as the son of a senior Air Force officer may have brought him into contact with intelligence agents who helped build the Afghan Taliban and who have channelled cash and training to home-grown Jihadis, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

You don't know who he might have been introduced to in that sort of military environment," said the source.

Such a connection would be desperately embarrassing to the government in Islamabad, which is under pressure to demonstrate its commitment to tackling terrorism.

But it would help investigators make sense of how a boy raised in the secular, moderate environment of Pakistan's military schools could stand accused of terrorism.

Investigation teams, which have been arriving from the US since the start of the week, are at work in Peshawar, close to Shahzad's family home, Karachi, where he spent time as an adult as well as in Rawalpindi, where the Army and intelligence agencies are based, according to the source.

They believe he may have used colleagues of his father – Air Vice Marshal Baharul Haq – to make contact with the Pakistan Taliban.

Pakistan has a history of using Jihadi groups as a tool of its foreign policy. Its Inter-Services Intelligence agency helped equip and train Afghan Mujahideen fighting Soviet occupation during the 1980s and then used the Taliban to fill the resulting vacuum. They have supported militant groups in Indian-controlled Kashmir. ………………...............

The Telegraph, UK

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 11 May 2010 22:17

Two words: Hamid Gul

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 11 May 2010 23:08

Again that "rogue" and ISI together in the same sentence.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 May 2010 08:53

The US arrests three more individuals originating from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for involvement in the failed Times Square car bombing.

3 Pakistanis arrested in Times Square bomb probe

Now if this were a story in the UK media, the headline would no doubt have read “3 Asians arrested in Times Square bomb probe”.

It is good to see that the US media is unambiguous about pinpointing the national origin of Islamic Terrorists unlike the UK which permits those from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to hide their national predilection for committing acts of Islamic Terrorism around the world by using the term “Asian”.

arun · Post by **arun** » 14 May 2010 10:32

Yet another story with a headline that strips away the anonymity citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have enjoyed while indulging in acts of Islamic Terrorism by the media describing them as Muslim / Asian etc obfuscating their national origin.

Reuters on developments in the case of the citizen of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mohammed Saif Ur Rehman, who was arrested in Santiago, Chile for having traces of the explosive Tetryl detected on his documents and cell phone while entering the US Embassy there:

Chile prosecutor: solid case against Pakistani suspect

The geographical spread of actual and attempted incidents of Islamic Terrorism perpetrated by the citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is truly global in scope.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 May 2010 22:15

There seesm to be consensus to charge/name these terrorists as Pakis to strip away takleef in the ummah. This way the the Paki terrorists cant get ummah sympathy.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 May 2010 22:47

ramana wrote: ...
Very good analysis. Bilkul satya vachan.

And on the contrary the Indian elite thinks its at war with radical Islam and gets paralyzed.

Nearly the entire political / economic establishment of India conflates the Pakistani enemy with Muslims / Islam. (There may be issues with Muslims / Islam, but the war with Pakistan and issues with Muslims / Islam can and should be decoupled). So, we end up staying our hand in dealing with Pakistan, because we (mistakenly) think it has something to do with Indian Muslims. The Congress / Left, think it will buy them Muslim support, and the BJP / Right think it will limit their damaged image of "non-secular".

In reality, Muslims of India probably do have some attachment to Pakistan, due to sharing the same religion, family ties etc., but i think the extent of this is exaggerated. In any case, no one is really looking at this relationship in a practical and realistic way--where is the need to measure and understand the relationship if you have already decided in your mind that for good or bad, Indian Muslims == Pakistan?

For one perspective of Indian Muslims vis-a-vis Pakistan, see here:

kya aap musalmaan hain?

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 14 May 2010 23:11

KLNMurthy wrote:For one perspective of Indian Muslims vis-a-vis Pakistan, see here:

kya aap musalmaan hain?

On a side note, note how the authress tells of intel folks chasing them and keeping a tab on them.

TSP is a highly surveiled society. They spent enormous amounts of their meagre budgets on spying. Many visitors from India was said about wierd cars tailing them. One such case was hilarious, the isi boys were tailing the car of the Indian visitors, who had lost their way. They went round and round and could not find the way. The boys had had it, they stopped and accosted the Indians and asked tell us where you want to go and we will take you there.

In another case an Indian who had a visa for a specific city, wanted to skip and visit another city (his ancestral city, he was Punjabi). He had merely taken a taxi and gotten out of the city that we was stopped and asked to turn back and stay in the same city.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 May 2010 07:32

Surinder a key component of an Islamic state is the Mukhabarat which is the security apparatus to run the state. I told long ago ISI is the new Mukhabarat of TSP