Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 May 2010 23:44

Is it not a dichotomy to use Smart Weapon to kill Dumb Paki ?

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 16 May 2010 00:11

^ specialy so when each hellfire comes at about 65K US$! mm not very cost effective seeing that TSP can produce a jehadi lusting after his promised 72 for about what 65 US$a month!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 00:21

A_Gupta wrote:Popcorn time?
http://www.hamidmirexposed.webs.com/
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/10918

WHOA! IMO this is significant. someone is trying their best to contain the side affects of KK saga even at the cost of sacrificing Hamid Mir like journalist. His is finished. It is unbelievable that he would say somethings that he did in this conversation.WHOA again!

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 16 May 2010 03:24

1)Chilean lawyer with Indic sounding name: it could also be a derivation of Cohen which is a Jewish name. Kahan, Kagan, Kohan are some of the variation.

2)Hamid Mir: His past writings and rhetorics only proved that he was an establishment guy or ISI tool. Now that the ship is sinking, the rats are jumping ship. Along the way they want to silence some unnecessary tools. Hamir Mir looks like one of the expandable tools that the ISI/Establishment want to get rid off.

3) Indian meat lover infatuated with Pak: I know of many instances where some gora/goris befriend Indians and Pakis. He/she end up visiting both countries. He/she goes to Pak and is fettered by the Rapes in their palaces etc etc. He/She does not go too far away to see the real Pakistan due to advice from Embassy folks and discouraged by Rape host. All they see is super highways, nice malls and beautiful manicured lawns. He/She gets impressed at how great Pakistan is. "They are just like us...westernized and modern". This is the story without exception from NGO workers, diplomats to journalists.

These same folks visit India. Not so much caution or advisory by embassy folks. India too large for Desi Rape-equivalent to chaperonne around from Banglore to Mumbai to Delhi. So gora/gori has to travel some by self. He/She see lots of India from glitter to gutter. He/She gets impressed some and gets shocked by some and gets sad by some. He/She gets a different picture of India compared to Pak. This is the story of professors, journalists, NGOs, diplomats etc without exception.

They get a sorry picture of India and impressive picture of Pakistan. Open soceity is strong enough to let the world see its weakness and strengths. The open soceity can live with it because the open soceity is confident of its ability to keep marching on. A closed soceity is too weak to reveal its failings and will show only its strengts. Its a house of cards that is afraid if the truth comes out the whole facade will collapse. Believe it or not this flows from the religious ethos. One is open to debate and scrutiny of its merits and de-merits with legs made of bronze. The other is off limits for there is inherent fear if too much of short comings are revealed there would be mass defection. Its legs are made of clay. Seemingly strong until the first knock lands on it. Thats the two nation theory at length.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 16 May 2010 03:57

Speaking of Chileans, here's a BBC story on the arrest of a Pakistani at the US embassy in Chile, because he set off explosives detectors:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8684987.stm

He allegedly had traces of explosives on his documents and on his cellphone. Is it possible that it was a false detection/reading?

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 16 May 2010 04:21

Hamid Mir's tapes are making it to news as expected. Btw, he says that he dislikes Qadianis more than kaffirs or something like that. The intrigue in Pakistan is at a different level. So many players, no one kows who is in whose side.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg1_6

Hamid Mir’s terrifying indiscretions

LAHORE: A shocking audiotape of a conversation between Hamid Mir – one of the country’s top TV anchors – and a man purportedly linked to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, has revealed that negative information that Mir passed on to the Taliban could have led to the execution of Khalid Khawaja, the retired Air Force official allegedly killed by a group calling themselves the ‘Asian Tigers’.

The tape – which has Mir divulging dirt on Khawaja, ostensibly to someone who is going to cross examine him – was first posted by the Let Us Build Pakistan blog, and picked up by other online publications, including Café Pyala. It is still unclear who made the tape, with online speculation suggesting that it could be the militants themselves, or even intelligence agencies who released the recording.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 04:27

Pardon me if this is a long post but here it is (just in case some details get manipulated.
Transcript of Hamid Mir’s conversation

Hamid Mir: Many bombings are being carried out.
Unidentified man: Let’s see. There will be more of them. There are some in the pipeline. What do they (government) say about the operation in Orakzai? Will they stop it or not?
HM: No, they say it would not be stopped, rather they say they will also start an operation in North Waziristan and 40,000 troops will leave in a couple of days.
UM: In North Waziristan?
HM: Yes.
UM: Do you have any report on Khalid Khawaja etc.
HM: They say Khalid Khawaja Saab is in custody of one Azam Afridi in Darrakhel.
UM: Yes, yes Tariq Afridi (correcting HM).
HM: They are in Tariq Afridi’s custody.
UM: OK.
HM: Yes.
UM: So, are they men of the government or ISI?
HM: Who?
UM: These, Khalid Khawaja and Colonel Imam.
HM: Khalid Khawaja, according to my opinion, is not an ISI man, rather he is a CIA agent, an American CIA agent and he has links with the Taliban leadership.
UM: Yes, he met with Hakimullah and others when he came here last time.
HM: I personally know that Khalid Khawaja has links not only with CIA but he is also a front man of Mansoor Ijaz who belongs to a very big international network of Qadiyanis. Once he came to me along with Mansoor, who had a briefcase with him, and Khalid Saab told me that Mansoor is a key representative of the US government, so arrange his meeting with Syed Salahuddin, who is a mujahideen leader, and he along with him would resolve the Kashmir issue.
UM: All right.
HM: But I asked him what charm or magic lamp does he posses for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute. He said he had links with the Indian government and (Atal Bihari) Vajpayee Jee, which surprised me. I didn’t arrange the meeting, but I asked Mr Salahuddin who said Khalid Khawaja is sending messages that you should directly talk to India and the US on the issue and exclude Pakistan from it.
UM: All right, all right.
HM: After that, Mansoor Ijaz also asked me: Are you with us or not? I said, “I am not with you.” Then he conspired against me and got me sacked from the Daily Ausaf when I was its editor. So, I think Khalid Khawaja not only has links with the CIA but he is also an agent of the Qadiyanis, and I am very sad that he used to go to the Tribal Areas and meet leaders there.
UM: But now, I think, the Taliban have caught him and have demanded $10 million for the journalist.
HM: Do you know what part his (Khalid Khawaja’s) wife played in Lal Masjid?
UM: No, but it was something negative.
HM: It was that Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi Saab – may Allah bless him with a place in heavens. What he told me in his last days was, do you know that he did not completely agree with Maulana Aziz.
UM: Yes, yes.
HM: Mr Abdul Rashid Ghazi wanted to save the students inside the mosque and for that he showed flexibility and said, “I am ready to surrender on the condition that those who are with me will not be arrested and will be released.” But Khalid Khawaja’s wife was pressurised so much by Ume Hassaan that Maulana Abdul Aziz, without asking his brother, came out in a burqa, and Khalid Khawaja was involved in it (call disconnected).
UM: Assalam-o-Alaikum!
HM: Yes,
UM: The call got disconnected.
HM: Ok.
UM: So, what were you saying about his wife?
HM: Yes, I was telling you that his wife pressurised him so much that Ghazi Saab said, “She says we have to fight, just fight for martyrdom.” After that Mr Khalid Khawaja came out of the mosque and his wife also fled, Khalid Khawaja’s wife.
UM: Yes, we heard that she had fled after that.
HM: Yes, she ran away and then Maulana Abdul Aziz also came out in the burqa.
UM: I think, he insisted for that.
HM: Yes, he had done all this. After that Maulana Abdul Aziz was arrested and Mr Abdul Rashid Ghazi telephoned me and said, “Now, I don’t have any option. Now, my family and ulema have been defamed as my brother was arrested in a burqa and presented on Pakistan Television. This is a large stain which can only be removed with my blood.” So, he lived up to his words and sacrificed. So, Khalid Khawaja and his wife, anyone may know or not, they will have to answer before Allah Almighty.
UM: He, recently, came here and met my companions. He was saying, “You can work in Pakistan as we say, if you want to. I can arrange your ‘setting’ with an admiral in Mianwali. So, you should not burn US containers in Pakistan, you can rob them and sell them to a person recommended by us.” He was saying, “We would provide you everything for carrying out activities in Pakistan.”
HM: Do whatever you want to with the containers, burn them or rob them, I have nothing to do with it. But ask him what relationship he has with Mansoor Ijaz and William Casey? William Casey was the chief of CIA.
UM: Right, right.
HM: He (Khawaja) himself has confessed in front me that he had links with William Casey. Ok! Leave William, ask him about the Qadiyanis, because I personally believe that Qadiyanis are worse than infidels, what kind of links does he have with Qadiyanis? What relationship does he have with Mansoor Ijaz? Why does he use his money? Why does he go everywhere with him when he comes to Pakistan? Why does he bring him to the mujahideen?
UM: Yes, he has a son in al Qaeda.
HM: Yes, his son would also be a spy like him.
UM: Yes, I talked to the shaikhs about him. They said they were keeping him on the sidelines.
HM: His biggest betrayal to me was that there was a mujahid, Abdul Rehman Al Canady.
UM: Yes, there was one Canady.
HM: He was martyred in North Waziristan. He came to me with Canady’s wife and a daughter, saying Canady’s son, Karim, is at Rawalpindi’s CMH and is injured and the army had arrested him. He asked me to arrange a meeting between the injured and his mother. I said this is very difficult for me and I can’t do this because already they are all against me. But, he said all that you need to do is to arrange a meeting between a mother and her son. So, I arranged it with a lot of difficulties and sent the woman to Rawalpindi CMH, but when she reached there she took a camera out of her burqa and asked her son to record a message that he is innocent, has no links with anyone and has been kept here illegally. She was arrested there because a nurse saw her and seized the camera from her. But I was held responsible for all of it as they told me that I had sent this woman. It was revealed after her arrest that the woman had a Canadian passport and had visited Canada two months ago. After that I faced a lot of difficulties. The Canadian government released the woman and her daughter and then she went back to Canada. In Toronto, she held a press conference and admitted that she worked for the CIA. Now Khalid Khawaja has a long beard and his wife wears a full veil so people like us, who are involved in worldly affairs and have committed sins, believe that if we will help them, we might be forgotten for our sins. When these kinds of people betray us, we lose confidence on the religion itself.
UM: Absolutely, neither we are wrong nor is the army, but people like him have created the difficulties.
HM: However, if he is somewhere, ask him at least that you used the name of Abdul Rehman Canady, you worked with Mansoor Ijaz, you have worked William Casey. And there is one Javaid Ibrahim Piracha, who has a very big seminary in Kohat.
UM: Yes, yes.
HM: You all know the services of Piracha Saab. So, he fraudulently invited Piracha Saab in Islamabad and told him he wanted to arrange his meeting with a prominent personality. He took him to the US deputy foreign minister at Serena Hotel and said, “He is Mr Piracha and he can arrange your talks with the al Qaeda and Taliban.” Piracha Saab is a well-educated person. I observed that he was betrayed and came out of the room and escaped from there. Then he called me and said, “You were right about him (Khalid Khawaja).”
UM: Right, right. He went to him last time.
HM: Yes, Piracha Saab told me about that. He said, “He came to me and Col Imam was also here and told Col Imam that don’t go anywhere with this guy.” He (Piracha) said, “What can I do if he comes here and I can’t force him out of my house, but you don’t go anywhere with him.” Mr Piracha said Col Imam didn’t want to go with Khalid Khawaja, but he forced him to go with him.
UM: Right, maybe to use as human shield. But Shah Abdul Aziz, that MNA of Kirk, is supporting him a lot. He was meeting everyone here and asking for his release.
HM: He would have fooled Shah Abdul Aziz.
UM: Yes, he was asking people to release him and said you may keep the journalist, whose ransom will be paid to you by him.
HM: Ok! His release depends on them who have kept him, but convey them these three questions that what is your link with Mansoor Ijaz, whose father fled with the atomic secrets of Pakistan. Mansoor Ijaz’s father was an atomic scientist and he fled to the US with the atomic secrets of Pakistan. Once he (Ijaz) offered Benazir Bhutto a quid pro quo deal in 1995 that all the debts of the country will be forgiven, if she recognised Israel. That means he was also an agent of Israel.
UM: Yes, he used to ask my companions to work in Pakistan “as we say”. Actually, the killings of brigadiers in Rawalpindi might have been arranged by him, I think.
HM: It might be possible, but I have been watching this guy for the last 13 or 14 years and he is a suspected man.
UM: OK. Inshallah, I will meet Hakimullah in two or three days and talk to him about all this.
HM: All right
UM: Thank you so much.
HM: Assalam-o-Alaikum!
UM: Assalam-o-Alaikum!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 16 May 2010 04:30

Actually according to the father himself, the Paki was lured to the American Embassy - a setup for and racial profiling too. The Paki believed that it is not always necessary to kill another person specially if you can change the mind ...

One can't even make such things up..
From: Father calls Saif-ur-Rehman’s arrest in Chile a trap

Saif, while chatting on the Skype with his family on May 7 (Friday), told me that a person named Bill had called him from the US embassy in Santiago and asked him to come to the US embassy for some identification check-up,” the father said.Since it was strange for a person to be approached by the US embassy in this way, Mr Khan said his son had informed the Pakistani mission in Chile and the head of his institute about the call.

“My son became a victim of racial profiling and has been detained without a valid reason or evidence. His arrest was clearly a setup,” the distraught father said.

And

he already had a five-year valid visa for the US, adding that his son had been called to the US embassy for some questioning...{Lured etc}... besides Mr Khan said his son held an exemplary academic record.{ from IT we presume}

And:

I think there is someone behind me who is doing this," Khan said, speaking in English.
Khan's parents proclaimed his innocence in a video on the website of the Chilean newspaper La Tercera. "He hated terrorism and terrorists, all those who plant bombs," said his father, Mehmood Ahmad Rehman Khan. "He believed that people can change with words, and it's not necessary to kill to get someone to change."

Why in the world any one will suspect him just because some traces of tetryl was found on him...

Above from link given above and:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9FMUEO00

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 06:01

IMO Hamid Mir's "exposure" does not make any sense - too many contradictions. Not sure if he is being coerced into this expose - won't be surprised. Coming few days are important to shed some light on this. However, if true, getting him so close to Indian VVIPs is a major security lapse such as at SeS and other important venues.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 May 2010 06:01

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN152 ... arketsNews

Canadian fighters escort a Cathay plane - no reasons specified...hope a Paki is involved..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 May 2010 06:02

Prem wrote:Is it not a dichotomy to use Smart Weapon to kill Dumb Paki ?

Ignorant kafir! Bombs explode. So do Pakis. They are made for each other. You are trying to stop Pakistanis from achieving their full potential.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 May 2010 06:15

asprinzl wrote: . . . I know of many instances where some gora/goris befriend Indians and Pakis. He/she end up visiting both countries. He/she goes to Pak and is fettered by the Rapes in their palaces etc etc. He/She does not go too far away to see the real Pakistan due to advice from Embassy folks and discouraged by Rape host. All they see is super highways, nice malls and beautiful manicured lawns. He/She gets impressed at how great Pakistan is. "They are just like us...westernized and modern". This is the story without exception from NGO workers, diplomats to journalists.

These same folks visit India. Not so much caution or advisory by embassy folks. India too large for Desi Rape-equivalent to chaperonne around from Banglore to Mumbai to Delhi. So gora/gori has to travel some by self. He/She see lots of India from glitter to gutter. He/She gets impressed some and gets shocked by some and gets sad by some. He/She gets a different picture of India compared to Pak. This is the story of professors, journalists, NGOs, diplomats etc without exception.

They get a sorry picture of India and impressive picture of Pakistan. Open soceity is strong enough to let the world see its weakness and strengths. The open soceity can live with it because the open soceity is confident of its ability to keep marching on. A closed soceity is too weak to reveal its failings and will show only its strengts. Its a house of cards that is afraid if the truth comes out the whole facade will collapse. Believe it or not this flows from the religious ethos. One is open to debate and scrutiny of its merits and de-merits with legs made of bronze. The other is off limits for there is inherent fear if too much of short comings are revealed there would be mass defection. Its legs are made of clay. Seemingly strong until the first knock lands on it. Thats the two nation theory at length.

asprinzl, excellent post. What you described has been going on from very early days as a deliberate strategy. While Indian leaders were half-naked fakirs or were modestly dressed in ethnic attire, Jinnah wore expensive suits and lived a life of extreme luxury and impressed his Western friends. Description of whisky-swilling Ayub Khan by a very impressed Nixon and others is revealing. Adjectives like 'ramrod straight', 'straight out of a Hollywood movie' were used.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 16 May 2010 06:16

Not sure if this was posted, so here you go. Please feel free to delete if it is a repost.
Meet the opportunists ---- Nadeem F Paracha.

here you go then. In addition to Mullah Omar’s rule, even if the nation is facing an economic meltdown, there will always be some rich corporate dude willing to keep the wheels of ‘fashion’ turning. ‘Social responsibility’ they call it in corporate lingo. Model citizens, indeed (pun intended).

Supposedly the Pakistani ‘fashion scene’ (sometimes audaciously called an ‘industry’) has grown manifold, but it has never fought against the forces that want to clamp down on it. How can they? This batch of hip liberals in the shape of fashionistas and pop musicians is the third in line of a generation, most of whose parents quietly went along with the Zia regime after greatly benefiting from all that American and Saudi money floating around during the dictatorship.

This ubiquitous minority was quietly allowed by the ‘Islamic’ regime to have their parties, booze, and fashion shows behind closed doors, as Zia’s moral brigade went about harassing the majority in the name of “purging vulgarity from society.” The economics of this class was never threatened. And anyways, culturally, they already had their little Paris, New Yorks, and Londons operating in their drawing rooms.

But of course, this was/is a highly opportunistic class as well. Because the moment things started to open up, especially during the second Benazir Bhutto government, the second generation of this class of hipsters suddenly arrived upon the scene with their catwalks, guitars and what not because there was good money to be made. However, the moment the second Benazir government fell, so did (for a while) that hyped “cultural revolution” this class was chanting about from concert halls, catwalks, and award ceremonies. And since most among this generation of hip liberals were bought up in apolitical, tight. and compartmentalised elite environments by their prospering parents, they had no clue what had hit them.

However, compared to their more socially conservative class contemporaries — who have been seen to follow right-wing groups from the Jamaat-i-Islami to the supposedly defunct Sipah-i-Sahaba, from the Sunni Tehreek and the Tableeghi Jamaat to individuals such as Dr Israr Ahmed and Amir Liaquat — the more ‘modern’ lot in this respect have not exactly fallen to the left as a reaction (like they did between the 1950s and the early 1970s). Instead, in spite of whole-heartedly embracing the economic, aesthetic, and cultural fruits of liberal economics and politics, they have retained their class’ inherent political conservatism.

Many western journalists and Pakistanis alike are now trying to understand why, for example, many educated, westernised, and modern Pakistani pop/rock stars and their fans are all gung-ho about anti-Americanism but at the same time keep quiet about matters such as religious extremism, terrorism, and the Taliban.

The funny thing is, this is happening even when there are disturbingly tangible and physical examples of the ubiquitous carnage and mayhem being caused by so-called jihadis; whereas conspiratorial notions such as the ever-present explanation of a ‘foreign hand’ remains a largely unsubstantiated and thus somewhat air-headed perception. Adam Ellick’s interviews with former rock star turned loud reactionary mutt, Ali Azmat, and bubblegum-rock poster boy, Ali Noor, in his NYT video feature are the cases in point.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 May 2010 06:24

Sanjay M wrote:Speaking of Chileans, here's a BBC story on the arrest of a Pakistani at the US embassy in Chile, because he set off explosives detectors:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8684987.stm
He allegedly had traces of explosives on his documents and on his cellphone. Is it possible that it was a false detection/reading?

Going by news reports, it is not your run of the mill explosive from a diwali phataka that was found on his clothes and hands. It was trinitrophenylmethylnitramine (tetryl) and corroborated by subsequent testing. Interestingly usually tetryl is not used as an explosive, but as a detonator. So the Paki knew what he was doing and answers the rhetorical "Is he a really dumb terrorist?" question posed by the honorable Paki ambassador.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 16 May 2010 06:50

t was trinitrophenylmethylnitramine ...

It is one of the longest word found in dictionary .. But it is taught in a typical BS/BE course in Chemical Engineering in Paki universities...
For example look at page 36 of the this "Curriculum of BS/BE"
http://www.hec.gov.pk/InsideHEC/Divisio ... g-2008.pdf

BTW: This is pretty well known substance, it is one of substance (Its trace) security authorities look for to prvent nuclear terrorism (apart from radioactive scanners etc) specially dirty bombs...

(Tetryl can be initiated from flame, friction, shock, or sparks; it burns readily and is quite likely to
detonate if burned in large quantities...but is sufficiently insensitive in pressed form to be used safely as a booster explosive)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 May 2010 07:20

This is a report from the PoK.
Militants from PoK readying to cross the border

Militants have regrouped in large numbers in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and are crossing the Line of Control to sneak into the Indian side of the Himalayan region, local residents and political leaders have said.

The militants have regrouped and launched jehadi activities in the Neelum valley on the Pakistani side of the LoC, local politician Arif Shahid said. Local residents and Mr. Shahid said the militants were not from PoK.

“Jihadi activities have been restarted during the last few weeks,” said Mr. Shahid, the secretary-general of the All Parties National Alliance.

“Most of the activities are concentrated in the Neelum valley along the LoC,” Mr. Shahid told the BBC.

Mr. Shahid, who had visited the region with other APNA leaders, said the militants were based there in large numbers and had set up camps in the area.

“The men are not locals — they have long hair and beards. Most do not speak the local language,” he said.

Residents of Neelum valley backed Mr. Shahid's assertions. “We are scared... The armed men are moving around the area and are trying to cross the border,” a local resident said. “We can make out from their appearances and languages they are not from any part of Kashmir,” the resident said.

Mr. Shahid said he believed that militants are planning to sabotage ongoing peace negotiations between India and Pakistan. “They have set up camps in the region and many are crossing the border... This is the start of another proxy war,” he said.

Mr. Shahid's comments were supported by Jammu and Kashmir National Liberation Front leader Shaukat Maqbool Bhat. “The fighters are there and they are regularly crossing into India,” Mr. Bhat said.

“The local people are very scared — they believe the crossings are going to restart artillery exchanges between the Pakistani and Indian armies,” Mr. Bhat said.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 May 2010 07:33

NYTimes Story of Faisal taking the typical Paki Jihadi route in the US.

During a visit to Pakistan in 2008, Mr. Shahzad gave perhaps the clearest indication yet that he was heading down a militant path. He asked his father for permission to fight in Afghanistan, friends of the father and the relative recalled. Mr. Haq denied the request and appealed to the friends for help in managing his son, they said.

Then what is this BS about "400% peaceful, mild mannered onlee, we are shocked, SHOCKED!! I tell you" originating from family & friends (including his father, who was shocked that his "peaceful son" could do something like this)?

I think Paki definition of "Peaceful" is "Hasnt killed anyone ... yet, because he is still busy making the bomb"

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 16 May 2010 07:45

Pak Student Arrested in Chile for Having Explosives Residue on Clothes

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 May 2010 07:48

Anujan wrote:NYTimes Story of Faisal taking the typical Paki Jihadi route in the US.

During a visit to Pakistan in 2008, Mr. Shahzad gave perhaps the clearest indication yet that he was heading down a militant path. He asked his father for permission to fight in Afghanistan, friends of the father and the relative recalled. Mr. Haq denied the request and appealed to the friends for help in managing his son, they said.

I blame his father for being way unIslamic. As a dutiful son, Faisal asked permission from his father. His father, having been himself part of 'jihad fi Sabilillah' denied permission ? OTOH, look at Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul. He proudly sent his two sons to jihad, entrusting them in the safe hands of Jalaluddin Haqqani. Look at how Kathwari's family is proud of the martyrdom of their son. This Air Vice Marshal was up to no good.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 May 2010 07:50

Faizal's letter from NYT article

http://documents.nytimes.com/e-mail-from-faisal-shahzad

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 May 2010 08:00

U.S. Is Still Using Private Spy Ring, Despite Doubts

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/world ... ctors.html

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 16 May 2010 08:16

Is that who I think it is?!!?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 16 May 2010 08:33

Anujan wrote:Going by news reports, it is not your run of the mill explosive from a diwali phataka that was found on his clothes and hands. It was trinitrophenylmethylnitramine (tetryl) and corroborated by subsequent testing. Interestingly usually tetryl is not used as an explosive, but as a detonator. So the Paki knew what he was doing and answers the rhetorical "Is he a really dumb terrorist?" question posed by the honorable Paki ambassador.

Is it possible that this kid was an unwitting mule?

Is it possible that PakJihadis are now adopting a strategy of deliberately setting up false alarms, not as probes, but rather to create incidents that will enhance tensions between the US and Pakistan? My reasoning is that if enough Overseas Pakis end up in holding cells / lockups, then this will fan the flames of anger and frustration in the same way that led to Musharraf's ouster.

It could be like a 'jail bharo' strategy - imagine how easy it would be to just smear explosive powder on any old abdul, and get in him trouble with the law abroad. Do this enough times, and you have a decoy/chaff cloud that makes it impossible to detect the real perps.

Methinks that such an approach could also backfire, in getting the average Pakistani angry at the Talibs & Co.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 May 2010 09:15

Pakis know which side their bread is buttered.

I think that a more rational explanation is that someone was testing the procedures for security in the US embassy. Either that or our Paki was a famous bomb maker lured into a trap by authorities in US Embassy.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 09:56

abhishek_sharma wrote:Faizal's letter from NYT article

http://documents.nytimes.com/e-mail-from-faisal-shahzad

Hindu forgery - there is no mention of either India or Kashmir in the letter.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 10:01

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/world ... Chile.html

SANTIAGO, Chile — A judge charged a Pakistani man with illegal possession of explosives, but released him after finding no evidence linking him to terrorist networks.
.....
He was released Saturday night after a four-hour closed court session, but was prohibited from leaving the Santiago metropolitan area for 120 days while state prosecutors continue to investigate the origin of the explosive material tetryl, which was found on his cellphone and documents.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 16 May 2010 10:11

Anyone wonder if Emirates airlines was somehow involved in the FS plot?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 10:26

HM: His biggest betrayal to me was that there was a mujahid, Abdul Rehman Al Canady.
UM: Yes, there was one Canady.
HM: He was martyred in North Waziristan.

That was six years ago!!!!

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... nterne.php

• The Uzbeks began killing Arab al Qaeda: When the Uzbeks began to target al Qaeda operatives in the region, the "The Taliban and their supporters in Waziristan had begun to realise that Uzbeks were turning into a liability because of their alleged involvement in target-killings," notes AKI. "The most prominent name to come up was that of Saiful Asad."

Another Arab killed by the Uzbeks was Sheikh Asadullah, "a widely respected Saudi" who was described as "the moneybags in the entire tribal belt." Asadullah replaced "Ahmad Saeed Abdur Rehman Khadr Al Kanadi, an Egyptian-born Canadian known for being a conduit for finances to al Qaeda affiliates," who was killed in 2004. Asadullah's "tribal companion," or liaison, was one of Nazir's lieutenants, and he claimed Asadullah was murdered by Uzbeks.

To put Al Kanadi into perspective, he had worked with al Qaeda since 1988 and was said to have been Osama Bin Laden’s closer associates. “Mr. Khadr is a key figure in the Canadian al Qaeda network. He uses the alias al-Kanadi, or the Canadian, and is designated by the United Nations as a high-ranking al Qaeda member. He has not been seen since the Sept. 11 attacks but two of his Canadian sons, Omar and Abdul, were captured in Afghanistan, where they were fighting with al Qaeda.” Al Kanadi was operating with Nazir prior to being killed in 2004.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... a_mili.php

Mansoor's family has a pedigree in jihad. His father was Ahmed Said Al Khadr, an al Qaeda operative who was killed in October 2003, Geo Newsreported. Khadr, who is also known as Abdul Rehman Khadr al Kanadi, was born in Cairo, Egypt, but was a Canadian national.

Khadr was a close confidant of Osama bin Laden, who invited Kanadi to join the Shura Majlis, the top leadership council, after the US invasion of Afghanistan. Khadr was tasked with helping al Qaeda families escape into Pakistan. He was also close to South Waziristan Taliban leader Mullah Nazir, who shelters al Qaeda leaders in the Wazir tribal areas.

Khadr was wanted by the US for his suspected ties to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the US. He was also on the United Nations' 1267 Committee list of designated terrorists. Pakistani security forces killed Kanadi and several other al Qaeda fighters during a raid in October 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Said_Khadr
was al Kanadi. His son (Abdul)Kareem is mentioned there, he was captured by Paki forces; Khadr is said to have died in that fight. There is a footnote in the Wiki article

65. (Arabic) Son of Ahmed Said Khadr 'al-Kanadi': My father twice tried to convince me to become suicide bomber, June 17, 2004

So Hamid Mir holds Khalid Khawaja to be responsible for this death 6 years ago!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 10:33

More on Khalid Khawaja and one of al Kanadi's sons:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GL09Df01.html

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 10:40

al Kanadi's wife in Canada:
http://cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNew ... P24Morning
The son Karim that Hamid Mir mentions:

Another brother, Karim, was paralyzed during the incident in which his father was killed, and returned to Canada after a high-profile campaign by his family in April 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadr_family

When Maha and Abdulkareem used the family's savings to return to Canada on April 9, 2004,[11] Stockwell Day, Bob Runciman and John Cannis were among a public outcry calling for the Khadrs' citizenship to be revoked, and for the pair to be deported.[12] Others suggested it was unfair to revoke citizenship from people who held views contrary to the government or majority.[12]

Some Canadians complained that the Khadrs had "taken advantage of" Canada, living off its social services, while decrying it as a morally-corrupted country.[13] Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty dissented, stating that the province would recognise the family's right to Ontario Health Insurance Plan medical coverage and to be treated like any other Canadian family.[14]

In 2005, following Zaynab's return to the country, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) officer Konrad Shourie stated that "The entire family is affiliated with al Qaeda and has participated in some form or another with these criminal extremist elements".[15]

A noted friend of the family, former Pakistani Air Force officer and ISI agent Khalid Khawaja spoke in their defence saying they were being unfairly targeted by Canadian authorities because of a deference to the United States, and Islamophobia.[16]

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 10:47

More on al Kanadi's wife and Karim's return to Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/04/ ... 40409.html

Hamid Mir is wrong about her press conference.

Also
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... 5ec4fa085e

Another son is accused of being a CIA stooge (I think because he was released from Guantanamo).

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 11:03

The problem with the Pakistanis is that they have been taught that they must do Jihad every time some of their demands is not met. (And ALL their demands are just and rightful, because they are believers aren't they - simple isn't it!)

So pakistani abdul with a trojan implanted in his software goes to massaland or to england, and runs into firewall designed to root out the less than competent.
Now instead of sweating it out like 99.99% people out there, these buggers have their inbuilt trojans take over at the first sign of resistance. It shows that:
1. Pakistanis are weaklings. That bravado is a front cover to hide the weak inner self, that lacks confidence.
2. Pakistanis will find an outlet that will result in violence most of the time, hurting others or themselves. They will NOT work hard and try and beat the system, they will try and take their frustrations out on innocent people.
3. The more educated a pakistani is the more likely that he will be someone who sympathizes with terrorism and jihad.
4. The uneducated, malnourished village boy pakistanis who go to madarsas become cannon-fodder suicide bombers, while the educated ones try and become terror masterminds, bomb makers, planners for major terror attacks. Education in the current form in Pakistan actually makes these guys more dangerous and a threat to civil society.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 11:05

abhishek_sharma wrote:Faizal's letter from NYT article

http://documents.nytimes.com/e-mail-from-faisal-shahzad

What is AoAwRwB ?

AoA we know.

But the rest?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 May 2010 11:12

From that Hamid Mir transcripts,

HM: He (Khawaja) himself has confessed in front me that he had links with William Casey. Ok! Leave William, ask him about the Qadiyanis, because I personally believe that Qadiyanis are worse than infidels, what kind of links does he have with Qadiyanis? What relationship does he have with Mansoor Ijaz? Why does he use his money? Why does he go everywhere with him when he comes to Pakistan? Why does he bring him to the mujahideen?

UM: Yes, he has a son in al Qaeda.

HM: Yes, his son would also be a spy like him.

UM: Yes, I talked to the shaikhs about him. They said they were keeping him on the sidelines.

Is Hamid Mir saying that Mansoor Ijaz has a son with the Al Qaeda ?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 May 2010 11:15

Guys,

Sorry to sort of dis-agree with most of you, but I find the NYT reporting on Faisal Shezaad including digging up that letter etc as self-obsessed Piskology. US media, when it suits will anal-yze the dickens out of an issue. The simple fact of the matter is that TSP is a terror infested pig sty (despite what that self-loathing Indian who was enamoured by Paki meat from TFTA goats says); and they produce Faiszal Shezaafs and Ajmal Kesabs (who are not even on the radar screen of NYT) because of their neurotic obsession to fly the Paki green crescent over the red fort in New Delhi. Thats what should be the focus on any honest analysis about why TSP produces terrorist pigs.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 11:16

Gagan wrote: What is AoAwRwB ?

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh" (May the peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah be with you).

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 11:16

SSridhar wrote:Is Hamid Mir saying that Mansoor Ijaz has a son with the Al Qaeda ?

IMO he is talking about son of Khwaja guy.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 11:22

Khalid Khawaja, 2005
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GF22Df04.html

KK: ......This is exactly the interpretation when we talk about Pakistan and India in the perspective of Kashmir. In fact, Pakistan was never sincere with Kashmiris. It was a selfish military strategic maneuver to bleed India. Whatever was done, it was for "Pakistanism". Meaning to impose Pakistan's strategic agenda in the region. We just used religion and jihad. It was just a ploy to engage Indian forces in Kashmir and keep their financial resources squeezed.

ATol: Did not Pakistan morally support the Kashmiri struggle so that the Muslim population would get its rights?

KK: What are you talking about? Indian Muslims enjoy more rights than Muslims enjoy in Pakistan. There are hundreds of Pakistani people, including army-men, clerics, scholars and common people, who have been missing from their homes for over two years. It is a known fact that they were picked up by intelligence agencies. They were never tried in any court of law. Several of them were killed without any trail. Even the British system of justice during British India days was better, when nobody was kept in detention without trial. We ask, okay, don't give us the rights that free nations have, but at least give us those rights people had during the time of the British Raj.

A few years ago, a Muslim was picked by an Indian intelligence agency. Prominent Muslim leader and scholar Maulana Asad Madani met the governor of the province and protested. The governor said that this kind of interrogation was common in Pakistan, "So why do you protest in India?" Asad Madani reminded the governor in very strong words that this was not Pakistan, but India, and one had to produce a person in court, so eventually the Muslim was produced.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 May 2010 11:39

Satya_anveshi wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Is Hamid Mir saying that Mansoor Ijaz has a son with the Al Qaeda ?
IMO he is talking about son of Khwaja guy.

But, per this DT report, Khalid Khwaja's sons were supposed to be in the armed forces. (Unless of course, the Pakistani armed forces and Al Qaeda were one and the same).

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 11:47

I wonder how this gels with recent Najam Sethi's opinion about the "immaturity" of some leading GEO anchors implying to Hamid Mir among others. He particularly quoted an incident relating to BB's assasination and Baitullah's claim.

Later the story was debunked by another GEO anchor Talat Hussain. Sethi was of the opinion that the assasiniation was "clearly" the handiwork of the establishment. This lends credence to Hamid whether willingly or unknowingly played into establishment hands at the critical juncture.

Otherwise, one way of explaining all as Hamid Mir have contacts deep inside jihadi orgs and speaks with those contacts in a language they understand, he was trying hard.

The target of this expose is Mansoor Ejaz as much as Hamid Mir and a major possible distraction is from Nawaz angle, who clearly was focus of KK for last several months including an open challenge on TV