Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 12:00

SSridhar wrote:But, per this DT report, Khalid Khwaja's sons were supposed to be in the armed forces. (Unless of course, the Pakistani armed forces and Al Qaeda were one and the same).

from the link:

Col Imam’s son, who is a one-star general in the Pakistan Army, and the sons of Khalid Khawaja, believed to be in the defence forces, are also using “other channels” to negotiate the return of their fathers.

I wonder why having specifics regarding Col Imam's son but vague on KK's sons. One of his son's name is Osama Khalid.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 12:07

Hamid Mir used to be a different person in the initial days of his 'struggle' as a journalist. He was openly an establishment guy and almost as rabid an India baiter as shrileen.

Now you don't get this photo op without the ISI vetting your credentials right upto Mo Bin Qasim.

Our Hamid Mir of current times is a re-invented version. I think I saw that change happen with the media exposure the paki journalists had during mushy agra visit. Hamid Mir found out that if he tempered his tone he could be a regular on Indian TV channels and that probably meant mega bucks.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 May 2010 12:21

BTW: in the very recent past, Hamid Mir and Sheikh Rashid were at very odds and they had arguments on TV (in Mir's Capital Talk show).

One of the connection is that KK screwed Nawaz Sharif as well as Sheikh Rashid. First one claiming that Nawaz Sharif meeting with Osama and Sheikh Rashid regarding running training camps in J&K.

KK in the interview with ATOL SSS (in 2005) linked by Guptaji.

Then Nawaz Sharif introduced me to Sheikh Rashid, and he took me to his Freedom House camp near Fateh Jang Road near Rawalpindi. He asked me to get support from Arabs. I took several of my Arab friends to his training camp, and they provided him with some money, though they were not satisfied with the environment.

For whatever reason, today, Sheikh Rashid and Nawaz Sharif don't want to see eye to eye.

I know the above are disjoined points but well....what is clear is that a lot of churning is happening in Pak.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 May 2010 12:39

A_Gupta wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Faizal's letter from NYT article

http://documents.nytimes.com/e-mail-from-faisal-shahzad
Hindu forgery - there is no mention of either India or Kashmir in the letter.

The Hindu word is also absent, though Christian and Jew was mentioned in the e-mail.

In any event there is a sub continental flavour in the allusion to the Muslim invasion of Sindh by mention of Mohammad Bin Qasam (sic) and Raja Dahir.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 16 May 2010 12:41

Why the hell do these people always speak in prose?

"O My Brothers, blahblahblah"

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 12:53

That's probably because the indoctrination book they all read is interspersed with prose. The mullas are ingenious and make fools of these faithfools by interspersing their bigoted ideas with some religious sounding prose.

A couple of months of this poison and these buggers think they're arab and that they are their god's gift to the cause of jeehard.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 16 May 2010 16:10

abhishek_sharma wrote:Faizal's letter from NYT article

http://documents.nytimes.com/e-mail-from-faisal-shahzad

Just after midnight on Feb. 25, 2006, Faisal Shahzad sent a lengthy e-mail message to a group of friends. The trials of his fellow Muslims weighed on him — the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the plight of Palestinians, the publication in Denmark of cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammad.

SO this guy just didn't decide to go jihad in April 2010. He has been a jihadi for long long time as most of the pakis are. You don't turn a jihadi on one fine day. You have the trait and burning up for long time.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 May 2010 16:54

vijayk wrote: SO this guy just didn't decide to go jihad in April 2010. He has been a jihadi for long long time as most of the pakis are. You don't turn a jihadi on one fine day. You have the trait and burning up for long time.

You have forgotten your scriptures. One has to be a g*ndu in Lahore before showing g*nduness in Peshwar. Or New Yaark.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 17:44

I dunno if you can get to this facebook video
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... &ref=share

It is yet another "Pakistan's problem is primarily an image problem". It protests, e.g., that "Pakistani media reported that Mumbai terrorists were Pakistani without taking government officials into confidence".

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 May 2010 18:10

I was doing an INR Vs PKR comparision on oanda.com and noticed that the Pakistani rupee in a period of 14 years has moved from a position of much higher than the Indian rupee to nearly where 2 Pakistani rupees equals an Indian rupee, amzing

PKR Average
bid ask
1996 1.06214 1.06364
1997 1.13095 1.13297
1998 1.19945 1.20371
1999 1.19160 1.19337
2000 1.22461 1.23470
2001 1.26984 1.33097
2002 1.18859 1.27349
2003 1.21279 1.30759
2004 1.29003 1.34256
2005 1.34597 1.35250
2006 1.34169 1.34914
2007 1.52589 1.53356
2008 1.60462 1.62926
2009 1.75407 1.77917
*2010 1.84639 1.89401

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 18:56

Who is this Gordon Duff idiot?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/05/05 ... er-redeux/

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 18:57

Sanjay M wrote:Why the hell do these people always speak in prose?

"O My Brothers, blahblahblah"

NYT

(In high school, he had gotten D’s in English composition and microeconomics, according to a transcript.)

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 16 May 2010 19:01

Fascinating article by Ayesha Siddiqa on Hussein Haqqani's about turn

Besides other measures, HH's franchise for marketing Pakistan's democratic forces in the US was seriously threatened by GHQ's shadow ambassadors in Washington: a female former ambassador and the author of a famous book on Pakistan's military who were assisted by several menials for changing the minds of American policymakers regarding Pakistan's political system. Given that most want to be ambassador in Washington, DC their loyalty to the GHQ and efficiency in marketing the khakis cannot be underestimated. While the lady continues to be busy cultivating relations in Washington so that she could take the most coveted position at some future date, the gent, who may be relatively less favored to play the role, has been getting army plants in the media to write op-eds suggesting that he should become the ambassador instead.

I think she is referring to Maleeha Lodhi and Shuja Nawaz

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 19:12

A_Gupta wrote:
Sanjay M wrote:Why the hell do these people always speak in prose?
"O My Brothers, blahblahblah"

(In high school, he had gotten D’s in English composition and microeconomics, according to a transcript.)

That is why there is a justified demand to make Pinglish an official and national language of Pakistan.

Then this guy would have scored A++ all the way.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 16 May 2010 19:47

Altair wrote:National Bird Strikes

Two Missiles to kill just 5 to 15??

Another Paki comment

if you want peace than why is half of million indian armed forces are in kashmire? if you army is professional than how so called 10 PAKI terrorist who can't even speak stright urdu which every pakistani can got in mumbahi through your such large navy and it took 3 days to clear out 10 terrorists? when on the other side Pakistan killed more terrorist den any other nation. In may 2009 pakisani army killed almost 500 terrorists caputring 36 with lost of 19 mens now thats professional

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 20:03

Where is the comments section?

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 16 May 2010 20:30

A_Gupta wrote:Who is this Gordon Duff idiot?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/05/05 ... er-redeux/

A_Gupta ... Don't pay attention to these kinds of sites ... I checked some of the comments ... the site seems to be full of conspiracy theorists ... the comments have managed to link 2001 Parliament attacks to Israel & the Jews... its more Paki than even the Deff 'n Dumb forum ...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 16 May 2010 20:35

A_Gupta wrote:Who is this Gordon Duff idiot?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/05/05 ... er-redeux/

Israeli controlled Fox News, yes, that is who runs it, will continue to drone on.

arun · Post by **arun** » 16 May 2010 20:36

A_Gupta wrote:NYT

From the posted article:

Mr. Shahzad came of age during Pakistan’s state-sponsored jihad against India’s military in the breakaway region of Kashmir — a conflict that granted legendary status to Pakistani jihadists. “We used to see the mujahedeen as heroes,” said one graduate of Mr. Shahzad’s high school, who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. “When I look back, I think, ‘What was I thinking? What were we all doing?’ But in that era, it made sense. We all wanted to do something.”

The cynical practice of the Senior Officers of the Pakistan Military to sacrifice the children of the poor of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as cannon fodder for the cause of waging Jihad against India seems to have come back to haunt the uppermost echelons of the Military.

Let me hope that the likelyhood of seeing their own children seduced by the depraved values of Islamic Jihad propagated by them to hurt India will give pause to the Pakistan Military’s sponsorship of terrorism.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 May 2010 20:41

AnimeshP wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Who is this Gordon Duff idiot?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/05/05 ... er-redeux/
A_Gupta ... Don't pay attention to these kinds of sites ... I checked some of the comments ... the site seems to be full of conspiracy theorists ... the comments have managed to link 2001 Parliament attacks to Israel & the Jews... its more Paki than even the Deff 'n Dumb forum ...

What bothered me among other things is
a. Gordon Duff is a US veteran
b. If you look around, he appears to be buddies with Hamid Gul.

This kind of guy doesn't see the danger under his nose.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 16 May 2010 21:52

The fact that Hamid Gul and his buddies are still alive is because of the friendship these people have with some well connected people in massaland.

These pakistani generals are bigoted terrorist sympathizers today, but they were best buddies with the GI Joe cold war warriors of yesteryears.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 16 May 2010 22:03

SSridhar wrote:
Anujan wrote:NYTimes Story of Faisal taking the typical Paki Jihadi route in the US.

I blame his father for being way unIslamic. As a dutiful son, Faisal asked permission from his father. His father, having been himself part of 'jihad fi Sabilillah' denied permission ? OTOH, look at Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul. He proudly sent his two sons to jihad, entrusting them in the safe hands of Jalaluddin Haqqani. Look at how Kathwari's family is proud of the martyrdom of their son. This Air Vice Marshal was up to no good.

The saving grace was that his wife figured out he was no good and didn't fall for his last minute blackmail

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 May 2010 22:14

I think Hamid Mir also 'took' KK's writings for his book..
KK = Famous journalist of UPI not the paki one.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 16 May 2010 22:19

http://www.dailypioneer.com/256063/Next ... d-Pak.html

"This spreading of the idea of global Islamic jihad is very dangerous and as it gets deeper and deeper into the extremist groups in Pakistan it means we can expect more attacks like the one we saw at Times Square, and we can expect them to become increasingly sophisticated and more capable," Riedel said.

Clinton has warned of "severe consequences" for Pakistan in the event of a successful Pakistan-based terrorist attack in the United States.

It is very well articulated. Yep, the spreading of the idea of global Islamic jihad is very dangerous, while the idea of local Islamic Jihad for which bakis are nurtured is desirable.
For all the song and dance about the jihad, the desire is to not eliminate that, but to specifically use that as precision guided instrument with local effects.
Jihad is no problem for the western world. At the end of the day, it is easy to send bakis back to stone age (as articulated by shri.armitraj before and by smt. clinton now). The problem is bakistan is seen as a hen that lays golden eggs. Can't kill it, but can't use it as precision guided ammunition. The steps that are needed to convert that global phenomena to a local phenomena will be rigorously pursued.

archan · Post by **archan** » 16 May 2010 23:10

Aditya_V wrote:I was doing an INR Vs PKR comparision on oanda.com and noticed that the Pakistani rupee in a period of 14 years has moved from a position of much higher than the Indian rupee to nearly where 2 Pakistani rupees equals an Indian rupee, amzing

PKR Average
bid ask
1996 1.06214 1.06364
1997 1.13095 1.13297
1998 1.19945 1.20371
1999 1.19160 1.19337
2000 1.22461 1.23470
2001 1.26984 1.33097
2002 1.18859 1.27349
2003 1.21279 1.30759
2004 1.29003 1.34256
2005 1.34597 1.35250
2006 1.34169 1.34914
2007 1.52589 1.53356
2008 1.60462 1.62926
2009 1.75407 1.77917
*2010 1.84639 1.89401

However, pakistan is winning.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 May 2010 00:53

Hamid Mir attempts to not explain.
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/11092

GregJ · Post by **GregJ** » 17 May 2010 02:19

what if tsp army turns allout jihadi?not irregular forces but a full-fledged standing army-jihadi.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 May 2010 02:21

falcon wrote:what if tsp army turns allout jihadi?not irregular forces but a full-fledged standing army-jihadi.

would anyone notice the difference?
(seriously)

GregJ · Post by **GregJ** » 17 May 2010 02:23

well ......on the face ........no.
not at an ethical level.
but at the tactical and strategic level............
what do u all think?

GregJ · Post by **GregJ** » 17 May 2010 02:30

some mullahs and commanders grabbing the nukes and deciding to make a glorious stand for the sake of their allah and then going about doing insane things...........with lots of methods added to the madness. do u gurus think it wud be an added dimension of threat to the already existing terror framework in place where they launch jihadis all over the world from their camps but keep own hands clean? sorry if i am being stupid........consider this a neophyte bambling.........but i seriously seek ur opinions on this .

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 May 2010 02:37

falcon wrote:what if tsp army turns allout jihadi?not irregular forces but a full-fledged standing army-jihadi.

do you know the motto of PA ?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 May 2010 03:03

Vivek_A wrote:Is that who I think it is?!!?

Yep! Al Shrilleen (pbu-her) in flesh. She is now an expert on economic matters, as well.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 May 2010 03:10

Acharya wrote:Another Paki comment: indian armed forces...took 3 days to clear out 10 terrorists; In may 2009 pakisani army killed almost 500 terrorists

See Mud-rass-ah math gets you nowhere. For Indian Army to kill nine (not ten) pigs in three days equates to 1095 pigs in a year. Whereas the PA (supposedly) killed just 500 of their own. So, where's the comparison? Who's better? Hain ji?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 May 2010 03:11

Rahul M wrote:do you know the motto of PA ?

"In defeat, there's victory"?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 May 2010 03:19

David Letterman

"The State Department now has warned against travel to the tribal regions of Pakistan. There goes my summer vacation."

"But there is some good news for Faisal Shahzad. Today he was told that he made the Taliban blooper reel."

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 May 2010 03:37

Jay Leno

"Well, looks like this guy was having financial problems as well. Turns out his house was in foreclosure. See, apparently the Taliban does not pay very well. And not to mention, no benefits. Who would take a job as a car bomber where they tell you, you have to use your own car? That's unbelievable."

"If any job should give you a company car, it's the car bomb business."

"Folks, we're starting to learn more and more about that man arrested in the New York SUV car bombing case. His name is Faisal Shahzad. He's from Pakistan. What tipped off the authorities he might be the bomber? His name is Faisal Shahzad. He's from Pakistan."

"It's interesting: U.S. investigators are trying to understand how the Times Square bomber took numerous trips back and forth to Pakistan even though the guy's name was on the no-fly list. Know what I think happened? I think the government confused the no-fly list with the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' list."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 May 2010 05:07

The fountainhead of religious extremism

It bears repeating that when Gandhi first encouraged Islamic religious clerics for his own anti-imperialist goals, the lone dissenting voice of reason was that of Pakistan’s founding father Jinnah who told Gandhi not to bring “unwholesome elements into public life”. Yet it is Pakistan — ironically — that has come to be associated with the same unwholesome elements today.

After partition, religious extremism in Pakistan reared its ugly head when Majlis-e-Ahrar, a vociferously anti-Pakistan Islamic party during pre-partition days and an erstwhile ally of Gandhi, in 1953 started its campaign of terror against a hapless sectarian minority with the help of another witchdoctor of dubious history, i.e. Maulana Maududi, who till then had become completely irrelevant after his opposition to Jinnah and the Muslim League. To the credit of Pakistan’s judiciary, it swiftly handed down a death sentence for the person who is singlehandedly responsible in providing the ideological foundations for not just the Islamisation in Pakistan but the global Islamic jihad.Nevertheless the Maulana’s sentence was commuted and it is Pakistan that has suffered as a result. Subsequent to commutation, his book, Islam and Communism, was picked up, reprinted and distributed allegedly by CIA’s JI desk all over the Muslim world. The idea was to use Maududian extremism to stiffen resistance against Soviet expansionism. It is therefore ironic that the JI, Maulana Maududi’s enduring creature, which in 1977 received funds from quarters in the US to overthrow the increasingly pro-Soviet Bhutto, is today the bastion of anti-Americanism. Wonders never cease. The fountainhead of religious extremism in our country is Mansoora, the headquarters of the JI, in Lahore. Unless Pakistan and the US seriously take a look at the activities of the JI, any meaningful progress in stopping extremism feeding this terror will be impossible. The JI actively works on Pakistan’s largest university campuses to spread its doctrine of hate and bigotry not just against other countries such as the US but religious and sectarian minorities in Pakistan

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_4

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 17 May 2010 05:12

Lalmohan wrote:
falcon wrote:what if tsp army turns allout jihadi?not irregular forces but a full-fledged standing army-jihadi.
would anyone notice the difference?
(seriously)

The only problem will be for Unkil, because maintaining the facade of supporting a non-jihadi army will be very difficult. H&D problems many fold. It is useful to still propagate that there is "good jihadi army" and "bad Jihadi army" ala "good taliban" and "bad taliban" style.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 May 2010 05:12

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2
The Clinton statement —Shahzadi Chaudhrey

Just a month back, as she hobnobbed with Pakistan’s foreign minister and set forth the seriousness in the ‘strategic dialogue’, she appeared to be giving a slightly deeper meaning to the term strategic. It has been my refrain though for a long time that the durational definition of the term strategic in the US-Pakistan context is never longer than five years; 10 years would be grand strategy. So short would be the US cover has come as a surprise to even the most ardent of US haters. Some things have not been right with Mrs Clinton. Recent reports suggest she is not inside President Obama’s closest circles, that she took her time finding comfort in working with him — as late as the Environment Summit in Copenhagen — and, in some cases, the president’s office has assumed direct control of policy and translation of the president’s intent in the foreign policy domain, particularly in the interest to allay Muslim apprehensions. Her nominee and point man on Pakistan and Afghanistan, Richard Holbrooke, has been practically sidelined under presidential preference and has actively been seeking avenues outside the government, in anticipation. The president’s other interest in foreign policy, the Israeli-Palestinian equation, is tended to by George Mitchell. The president’s own disposition to Israeli arrogance is well established and does not gel with Mrs Clinton’s world view on the same issue. Remember, she is heavily dependent on the support of a large Jewish and Indian lobby in New York for her political relevance and has favours to return. She has herself stated that she does not see herself lasting out President Obama’s entire first term. She has also determined that she may not have what it takes to fight another election for president. The lady is quite obviously out of sorts, despite the gloss.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 May 2010 05:28

Hamid Mir:
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/11092

From: hamid mir

May 16, 7:48 pm

I have already said that this tape was fabricated.Now Taliban have also denied the tap.What is the use of our agencies.These Taliban call people,they send emails and our secret agencies cannot do anything except to launch dirty propoganda against innocent people.Here is the statement with the email address of Taliban.

From: muhammad umer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 10:48 PM
Cc: talibanmediacenter

Subject: press release 16-05-2010 (on Behalf of ASIAN TIGERS)
This is a press release from Taliban Media Center commenting on the fake audio tape issued by some secret agency of pakistan. We are actively condumn the reliability of this tape since there was no conversatin like that in between us and Mr. Hamid Mir.

Althoug we have talked with many different persons of media. It
is very often and there is no doubt that they are not involved with us. This is seems to be a conspiracy to destroy the reputation of Mujahideen and the brave people of this
country who want to bring truth in front while revealing the dark faces of this nation.

Suppose, this audion tape can be accepted as a true one than it is
also demanded that the video tapes of Shery Rehman, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and Salman Taseer should also be treated as the same degree. Since sexy pictures of Salman Taseer’s
daughter and sons are on media so can any one tell the nation how a loose characterd person can be a governor of a province. What action should government agencies took? Why they are delaying?

Unfortunately the secret agenceis of Pakistan are directly opposing the nations benefits and try to sabotash the well repudiated personalities and institutions for the greater interst of their own. We also like to remind the fake movie, released
to media for defacing the actual good will of Mujahideen in swat. That was prooved to be faked later but on its basis army did the brutal assault/operation of the whole area. Now people of this country must understand that Mujahideen are not their enemies. But the government, politicians and military
beaurucrates are the real enemies of this nation.

Also it is demanded by us that all the relevant records of phone calls in between us and the major media representatives should also be released for public pursuation. ASIAN TIGERS had prooves for their satisfaction that’s why they kidnapped Khalid Khwaja. We contacted the ASIAN TIGERS on this matter and they denied any kind of connections with either Mr.Hamid Mir or any other person related to media. They also condumns the fake audio tape. Also they demanded the actual agenceies who bring this tape. If these agenceies have any kind of proof then they need to bring it in front. Who forced ASIAN TIGERS to kidnap Khalid Khwaja and Colonel Imam with Asad Qureshi. What was the role or Gen. Hameed Gul and Gen. Aslam
Beg. Where you fit Ibrahim Parachi and Shah Abdul Aziz. Either Gen. Hameed Gul and Gen. Aslam Beg are the actual Punjabi Taliban or this tape is the fake one. Ibrahim Parachi is also the CIA agent and Shah Abdul Aziz is a doule agent of Xe and ISI.

If Mr. Hamid Mir attracted or give instructions to ASIAN TIGERS in order to kidnap Khalid Khwaja then they must have conversations more than once. These tapes should also be published for media. Are we right in demanding this action? If
Mr. Hamid Mir gave proof to ASIAN TIGERS then he also gave instructions to them for kidnapping Khalid Khwaja & company. We expect that very soon these tapes should also be available on internet and youtube. By the way what exactly the dates of
this tape is.

Secondly, who gave the authority to PTCL or any government agency to tape a phone prior to any court order. By doing this PTCL is also establishing it’s reputaion as an alley of terrorists (Govt. of Pakistan, ISI and Army). If this happened again
then PTCL should ready to get the most suitable answer in proper manner. Although we know how PTCL was sold to these culprits and Khwaja was also involed in that deal. Do you want to raise the curtain?

PTCl should clear it’s position in order to bring the facts if this
tape is true or fake. If they claim it is a true tape then they also give explanation why they tape these calls. If this is the fake one then they also took legal actions against that agency.

If PTCL will not take any action then no problem, we are here and you have a very little time for confession.

Take care.
Note: This statement is on behalf of ASIAN TIGERS

(Source: Press Pakistan group)

Notice the threat :

If PTCL will not take any action then no problem, we are here and you have a very little time for confession.

There are other interesting things here as well.