Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 May 2010 03:56

» Business » Railway crisis deepens, 68 more trains closed
Railway crisis deepens, 68 more trains closed
Pakistan Railways financial crisis has further aggravated as the service of 68 more trains, which were running in deficit have been suspended. The total number of suspended trains has now reached to 84. In railways 120 trains were running in deficit out of which 16 were closed in the first phase, while 68 other trains were suspended in second stage, railway sources said. The authorities will decide the fate of 34 more trains withinin next two days. The closure of inter-city and passenger trains created problems for the passengers.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ins-closed

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 May 2010 04:13

anupmisra wrote:Govt adopts novel tactic to project higher growth rate

This idea has been photo copied from taller than mountain friends economic books

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 May 2010 04:26

anupmisra wrote:
arun wrote:Shortcut Aziz’s legacy lives on. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is back to the old habit of sexing up GDP figures:
Govt adopts novel tactic to project higher growth rate

The China Syndrome.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 May 2010 05:59

Gerard wrote:Opinion: On Being Pakistani

Most Pakistanis feel that America has brought war on them, a war no one here wanted and which is ultimately killing Pakistanis. But for me, and for a silent minority of Pakistanis as well, there is an alarming lack of recognition of the role played by Pakistan's own armed forces and intelligence agencies in sending Pakistan down the road to jihad.

There are two reasons for this. First, for decades, Pakistan's generals have diligently maintained the illusion that the army is the only reason Pakistan has not collapsed. Pakistanis are spoon-fed this false perception from childhood, indoctrinated into believing that the army is the Great Savior, the Protector, the Guardian.

Second, opposing the army can have dire consequences. The execution of former Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in 1979 is one salient example. The mounting evidence of an army role in the December 2008 assassination of his daughter, Benazir Bhutto, is another.

But somebody must stand up to them. Pakistan's image in the world, not to mention its future, depends on it. Is it an accident that Faisal Shahzad was the son of a senior Pakistani military officer? I don't think so. Military culture in this country is virulently anti-American. Couple it with the rampant spread of jihad ideology -- also the product of the army's failed policies -- and you end up with a deadly mix.

The failed attack on Times Square is only the tip of the iceberg. The fear among many Pakistanis is that some similar attempt is likely to succeed. With each attack, fear and suspicion of any Pakistani is bound to rise. And the irony is that as Pakistan spirals into chaos, young people here are increasingly looking to get out.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 18 May 2010 06:03

by Brad Goodman
Shiv ji what is the reason that western elites (read unkil & UQ here) are so impressed with pakis both civilian & gernails.

Please let me try this too!!

1.Western Elites in power are mostly retired military personnel (army, air force, navy, national guards, etc), or people who have gotten power through defense companies. These people are very mostly “Reagan democrats” a word coined during Reagan meaning people who are liberal at heart but wants to have families, visit churches, guaranteed employment, less taxes and less government, etc. basic stuff. People who have traditinally supported Democractic party but are close to Republicans (Ronald Reagan’s party) where it matters most as oppose to issues like Gays, Abortion, etc.
2.Pakis have been dealing with these people since 1947.
Pakis don’t take too much in telling these “Christians” that we Muslims also believe in Jesus., and they usually do it hitting the deck (meaning at first meeting at all levels, even a common Abdul visiting any university at USA). And they also explain their hatred against non-Muslims masquerading Hindus as “Pagans”. Which is a very easy term for an american to understand.
3.Pakis are easier subservient to Americans just like their ancestors were subservient to Qasim, Ghori, Ghaznavi, Nadir Shah and Abdali. They see that at least first support the people of the book (Jews, Christiand and Muslims) and then when Muslims are in power, other people of the book can slowly be assimiliated or converted.

by Brad Goodman
I mean for all practical purposes nehru was no different than paki rapes still Dulles was fuming at nehru and was praising ayub. Is it the deep entrenched hatered that practicing christians ( of all variety) carry towards pagans and some level of tolerance towards people of book or is it that indians are too obtuse & stingy when it comes to dealing with western audience like parties & gifts than pakis, or is it that pakis are more docile and subservient to their cause and that is what makes the relationship more praiseworthy.

You hit the nail!! It is all of the Above!! Indians are usually very slow to react to any strategic stimulus., while Pakis react even before their perceived strategic stimulus (as they are themselves behind most of the tactical terroristic attacks which they think in their own twisted mind as a small tactical step towards a final strategic goal of a global ummah .

Please let us know your thoughts. Also I have not read Strobe Talbott's book except for some excerpts in websites and newspapers but if some one who has read it shed more light on the topic that would be appreciated.

Yes sir!! We all want to read Doctor Sahib's words of wisdom.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 May 2010 06:16

SBajwa wrote:
by Brad Goodman
Shiv ji what is the reason that western elites (read unkil & UQ here) are so impressed with pakis both civilian & gernails.
Please let me try this too!!

1.Western Elites in power are mostly retired military personnel (army, air force, navy, national guards, etc), or people who have gotten power through defense companies. These people are very mostly “Reagan democrats” a word coined during Reagan meaning people who are liberal at heart but wants to have families, visit churches, guaranteed employment, less taxes and less government, etc. basic stuff.

Military powers and major powers have military people in civilian govt. With large global military engagement these mil type folks engage in foreign policy and mil policy in the govt.
When they engage with mil govts and autho govt they make sure the real amb are military folks.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 18 May 2010 06:26

During Mughal times the courtier who was the best with the words and flattery when describing about the emperor won the most favors. It is same with the Pakis., who think of themselves as a common hoi-polloi when dealing with Americans (who are in power) and these days they are also courting Chinese (whom they think as the next super power). Just like a Mughal Governer (abbuds-samad khan) at Lahore would sometimes support Afghanis and Mughals at other times., depending upon who projected the most threat to his power.

Pakistanis are product of "Chaplusi" i.e. "Butterring in Bombayya language" and flattery is enshrined in their genetic makeup. In other words though they would make a huge cry over their "honour and dignity" but they will not even take 2 seconds to sell their own mothers when they realize that their own skin is at threat. Why? and how? Just look at their history!! they have been doing it for centuries!!!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 May 2010 06:36

We must remember that Paki behaviour stems out of their very mental, spiritual weakness which made them convert to the religion of
invader/s. We should sympathize in the sense that they could not resist and surived by being slaves, sychophany and sucking up to the tough guys of past and and current era. Paki are useful idiots for Massars, so its natural they being prefered pet. As they said , U cant have elephant as pet onlee dogs serve the purpose. Indians no matter where will always be struggling to stirve for best in every field and as they spiritual genetic make up demand to contribute constructivly instead of seeking Khairat or destruction.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 May 2010 06:47

Steve Coll, Letter from Afghanistan, “War by Other Means,”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010 ... _fact_coll

Last November, General James Jones, the national-security adviser, delivered a letter from Obama to Pakistani President Asif Zardari, inviting Pakistan to define its national interests in the Afghan war. In March, two Pakistani generals met with Karzai and signalled that they could help cool down the Taliban insurgency if the Karzai government would, according to a senior Afghan intelligence official, “end” India’s presence in Afghanistan. In the meantime, Pakistan’s Taliban has increased its violence and has begun to collaborate more with terrorist groups. Mentions the Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad. Even the most skeptical Afghan leaders recognize that stability in their country will require Pakistan’s cooperation, but they worry that the U.S., in its rush to withdraw, might give Pakistan too great a share in Afghan politics. All the recent maneuvering between the U.S. and Pakistan has created an atmosphere of mistrust and confusion. Whether talks succeed or fail, it’s hard to understand why the U.S. would refuse to even try.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 07:12

Venkarl wrote:After Mumbai attacks......Pakis got 23 billion dollars including latest IMF aid of 7.xx billion dollars{Japan??}.....don't know what India's foreign desk is doing

Question - what is the opportunity cost for Pakistan of its terrorism-sponsoring policies?

Just to set a baseline: Suppose in each year since 2000, Pakistan grew at the same percentage rate as India. Then we'd have a theoretical GDP each year which we can compare to their actual GDP. How much have they lost?

Remember IMF aid, etc., is repayable. And there are interest payments to be made. Even without counting that, I expect Pakistan has over the years lost much more than this $23 billion.

PS: Just did the exercise. Used the IMF figures from
http://www.indexmundi.com/pakistan/gdp_ ... _rate.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/india/gdp_rea ... _rate.html

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	Pakistan	 India	    P      I        Loss	
2000	4.26%	 5.693%  104.26	105.69	 1.43
2001	1.865	 3.885	106.20	109.80	 3.59
2002	3.195	 4.558	109.60	114.80	 5.21
2003	4.86	  6.852	114.92	122.67	 7.75
2004	7.382	 7.897	123.41	132.36	 8.95
2005	7.672	 9.211	132.88	144.55	11.67
2006	6.147 	9.817	141.04	158.74	17.70
2007	5.638	 9.372	149.00	173.62	24.62
2008	2.038	 7.346	152.03	186.37	34.34
2009	1.966	 5.355	155.02	196.35	41.33
			Cumulative loss                 156.59

For 2000-2009, the GDP growth rate in constant prices from the IMF for both countries is displayed. Then the numbers under P and I show how a baseline GDP of 100 would have grown. Finally, the difference is shown.

Now, it is a big IF, but IF Pakistan could match India's growth rate (a proposition quite acceptable to Pakistani H&D) then for each 100 units of GDP in 2000, it would have cumulatively 156.59 units of extra GDP over the 9 years.

Remember, these numbers are at ***constant prices***.

Now, Pakistan's GDP in 2000 was $73 billion (exchange rate, not PPP).

So Pakistan has cumulatively lost 1.56 * $73 billion = $114 billion over 2000-2009.

Admittedly, this is a very iffy calculation. But it shows you how little the 3.5 friends can patch up for Pakistan, their $23 billion or whatever is peanuts.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 07:50

A_Gupta wrote:Question - what is the opportunity cost for Pakistan of its terrorism-sponsoring policies?...So Pakistan has cumulatively lost 1.56 * $73 billion = $114 billion over 2000-2009.

Guptaji, you may have shown a way out to the pakis to beg for more. After all, its all about equal equal with evil India. Shame on you, Guptaji!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 May 2010 08:22

WOW! Battle lines are drawn folks. End game is under play.

Hard hitting editorial from Jang group targeting Zardari

Mukhtar lets the cat out, but PM may quit or he can dissolve assemblies Tuesday, May 18, 2010
By Shaheen Sehbai

Many serious questions and issues arise after all this has become public knowledge. The basic issue is whether the Pakistan Army will allow a political leader who has a tainted past, who has a tainted present and whose future is evident from what he is doing, to dictate the terms of reference of how this country will be run and by whom, including the future of the army which has the highest stakes in the country.

This is an honest slip but tells a lot aout where Jang's loyalty lies. So, we are to expect all these journalists cheer when the Army is going to take over shortly(?). WoW! I think the strategy is quite clear.

Journalists are OK if Army takes over in another coup but they are not OK if a democratically elected power/govt wants to decide who the Army chief should be? Now we know both sides of the story.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 May 2010 08:23

^^^^
Maybe they'll wake up and realize that it is better to earn money then get it by blackmail of the 3.5 friends.

Maybe since they are Islamic-averse to interest, they don't understand the power of compounding of interest - this being a very bania thing. (BTW, it also shows why each percentage point of growth rate is so precious; the current Indian single-minded concentration on growing is to be commended). It also shows why India has gone from being IMF-recipient to IMF-contributing member (though in a small way).

Also remember, my calculation is at constant prices. Given inflation over the past decade, I'd guess that the nominal figure in current dollars might be something like $150 billion or more.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 May 2010 08:25

admins, please make the kuffar link halal in my post. Thanks.

==added later===
thanks archanji. I tried playing with / and \ but it didn't fix. yes, perhaps an "enter".

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 May 2010 08:48

Issuing of visa to Americans by Pakistan is still an issue: US

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 943390.cms

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 May 2010 08:51

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen_Sehbai tells us where this guy's sympathies lie and we also read a report earlier about US wanting Kayani to stay.

This is so effing confusing....who is pimping for whom?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 May 2010 08:55

Stage is now set when people including media are going to cheer when Army takes over. DejaVu all over again and yet again.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 May 2010 09:02

A_Gupta wrote:
So Pakistan has cumulatively lost 1.56 * $73 billion = $114 billion over 2000-2009.

Admittedly, this is a very iffy calculation. But it shows you how little the 3.5 friends can patch up for Pakistan, their $23 billion or whatever is peanuts.

This is the right way to look at it. With increasing population and inflation this will increase the pressure and faultlines within Pakistan will increase.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 May 2010 09:10

U.S. to Press Pakistan on Bomb Plot Inquiry

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/world ... pstan.html

Gen. James L. Jones, the national security adviser, and Leon E. Panetta, the C.I.A. director, were set to leave Washington on Monday night, ...

A senior administration official said General Jones would not threaten the Pakistanis, but would convey the risks to the country’s relationship with the United States if a deadly terrorist attack originated there.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 18 May 2010 09:22

Those of you wondering about Rehman Malik....don't despair

Zardari pardons Malik, remits prison terms

President Asif Ali Zardari on Monday granted a pardon and remitted two prison terms given to Interior Minister Rehman Malik hours after a Pakistani court dismissed the Minister’s appeal against his conviction in two corruption cases.

Using his constitutional powers, Mr. Zardari remitted the prison terms handed down to Mr. Malik, presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar said.

The pardon was granted under Article 45 of the Constitution on the advice of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani which “was tendered late on Monday night”, Mr. Babar said.

Article 45 of the constitution empowers the President to remit, suspend or commute any sentence passed by a court.

The development occurred late in the night.

Mr. Malik, a close confidant of the President, is out of the country and there were earlier unconfirmed reports that he might not return to Pakistan till the matter of the prison sentence was settled.

vina · Post by **vina** » 18 May 2010 10:12

Hamid Mir of "Geo TV", so beloved to our Aman Ki Asha and NDTV types ..now linked to Taliban Hostage murder. That guy is a True Paki.

Pakistan news presented linked to Taliban Hostage Murder

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 18 May 2010 10:29

Satya_anveshi wrote:WOW! Battle lines are drawn folks. End game is under play.

Hard hitting editorial from Jang group targeting Zardari

Entertainment is guranteed

What General Kayani can do, before bowing out honourably, is to ensure, like he did playing a subtle behind-the-scene role several times, that no crony of the president is appointed as the next COAS and a transparent procedure is adopted to make that appointment so that the new COAS is not obliged to any person and takes decisions only in the national interests. If Kayani thinks anyone is conspiring behind his back, he can take action now as COAS and stop this conspiracy.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 18 May 2010 11:07

Not a Jumma, but what the heck

ISLAMABAD: A senior police officer was among 12 people killed, when a bomb went off near a police vehicle in Pakistan's troubled northwest today.
The bomb, believed to be hidden in a rickshaw, exploded as the police van passed through an area on the outskirts of Dera Ismail Khan city in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa province, TV news channels quoted police sources and witnesses as saying.

Over 10 others were also injured in the blast.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 18 May 2010 11:29

ToIlet is going full steam on this Aman ki Asha nonsense. Devoted the full front page to this piss process. Apparently, the CII is also involved in organizing an Indo-Pak 'business' meet. Wonder what kind of business the Paquis will be talking.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 18 May 2010 12:27

SBajwa wrote:Pakis are easier subservient to Americans just like their ancestors were subservient

Sir Arthur Smith, deputy C-in-C and chief of the General Staff of the Indian Army, wrote in his report to the chiefs of staff in 1947: "One more example of the Hindu outlook. Pakistan wanted General Cawthorn to help their delegation at the forthcoming Canberra conference on the Japanese peace Treaty, India refused......to show the world their self-sufficiency and independence, and so they are sending an Indian Brigadier from Japan."

Pakistani elite are willing to be subservient to any imperial project, whether British, American, or Chinese. While Indians were apt to be more independent minded.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 May 2010 12:28

The huge lake on the Hunza river as a result of a landslide is now available in High Res on Google Earth. The picture is dated March 19, 2010, when the lake is about 10.9Kms long. The town of Hullehgush along with about 15 Kms of Karakoram Highway is deep underwater.

Landslide:

The same area in 2006: There is a small area of low resolution in the middle of this pic.

The lake in March 2010: Notice that the Karakoram Highway is deep underwater.

The same area in 2006

Pak-Cheeni dosti deeper than oceans and taller than mountains indeed.
AoA

naren · Post by **naren** » 18 May 2010 12:36

Airavat wrote:Pakistani elite are willing to be subservient to any imperial project, whether British, American, or Chinese. While Indians were apt to be more independent minded.

Another way to look at it is true Indians are not subservient whereas rotten, cowardly, spineless Indians suck up to any Imperial power that pays. In short, you are not different from us, only that you have fallen whereas we are not. Why give them the pleasure of unique identity ? Constantly hammering this idea in their subconscious mind will do wonders in time.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2010 12:38

vina wrote:Hamid Mir of "Geo TV", so beloved to our Aman Ki Asha and NDTV types ..now linked to Taliban Hostage murder. That guy is a True Paki.

Pakistan news presenter linked to Taliban Hostage Murder

From the above,

Khalid Khawaja's wife declined to comment. "I don't want to say anything," she said. "This is a very, very dirty conspiracy and I don't want to indulge in it."

Earlier reports spoke of Mrs. Khawaja also being involved in the Laal Mosque negotiations with the Ghazi brothers in c. 2007. When the Khawaja kidnapping episode broke, she was in the front giving details to journalists. Later she claimed that her husband has attained martyrdom. She continues to talk to reporters. Obviously, the entire Khawaja family, including women folk, are involved in terrorism.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2010 12:57

There has been a few posts on the subject issue. Many views have been expressed, most of which are true. Reasons have ranged from paganism, Indian food habits, hospitable & affable RAPE impressing the Westerners etc.

There is also another issue, and probably the most important, IMO, moral grandstanding by Indian decision-makers. Having just gained independence using sustained nonviolence over a protracted period of time against one of the most powerful nations on earth and thus caught the admiration of both the free and the colonized nations, Indian leaders naturally stood on a high moral pedestal when it came to dealing with global conflicts and issues and were very self-righteous about this. India decided to speak up and stand up for what it considered as just causes. The Indian foreign policy was guided by third-world solidarity, non-alignment with either blocs and anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism.

Too many events were happening around the world in a rapid succession such as the Palestine problem, the division of Germany, independence of Indonesia from the Dutch, the Suez canal issue in 1956, the question of Apartheid, the Cold War, Nuclear weapons and test issues, the Korean War, Treaty-of-Peace with Japan, the struggle of the Afro-Asian countries against colonialism, entry of People's Republic of China (PRC) to the UN in spite of its occupation of Tibet by the fall of 1950, the Indian military action in Goa, the transfer of pockets of French possession in India, the Afro-Asian Bandung Conference in 1955, the invasion in Vietnam, the suppression of the Hungarian uprising by the USSR where India chose not to condemn the Soviet Union, Nehru’s attempts at forging third world solidarity and his unmasked revulsion of the United States even as he single-handedly defined India’s foreign policy, to name just a few. In many of these crises, India was a leading voice. Having chosen to stand for unbending moral correctness, many of these events naturally seemed to pit India against the Western powers as India's stand on most of these issues was in direct conflict with them.

Nehru declared in c. 1960, “We stand looking at the crest of tremendous changes in the world. We are not mere onlookers there. We are actors in this drama and we propose to be actors in it in our own way”. In fact, India’s quest to be a leading light in establishing a just world order, a quest too ambitious for an emaciated India just getting out of two hundred years of colonial yoke and exploitation, had started even before it got independence.

Western Governments took a dim, though not an avowedly hostile, view of India and found it easier to deal with Pakistan, which, bereft of such a moral baggage, was easily pliable

The US, especially, felt that India’s position of ‘neutrality’ was immoral’ as was explained by Secretary of State John Foster Dulles in President Eisenhower’s tenure. Dulles was put off by his encounters with an acerbic and sharp-tongued Krishna Menon, India’s representative in the UN, and Nehru’s refusal to sign the Japan Peace Treaty at San Francisco in 1951 because China was not invited for the same. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles’ visit to India in May 1953, followed by Vice President Nixon’s visit in December of the same year worsened the situation for India. Their negative impressions about India and extremely positive opinion about Pakistan followed by President Eisenhower’s decision in January, 1954 to engage in a military relationship with Pakistan, defined the India-US relationship for the next four decades. An oft-quoted impression of John Foster Dulles is his reference to Gurkhas as Pakistanis.

While India did not seek any military alliance with the West, consistent with its non-alignment policy, it certainly wanted a deeper relationship and economic cooperation. However, it was not forthcoming. There was no engagement from the Western governments with India’s Five-Year plans of economic growth. The US simply ignored India for the most part

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 18 May 2010 13:33

12 less pure dispatched to meet their 72 by a pure suicide bummer..

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... last-zj-08

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2010 13:41

Satya_anveshi wrote:Those of you wondering about Rehman Malik....don't despair
Zardari pardons Malik, remits prison terms

Pakistan lurches from crisis to crisis and there are so many of them every day. The above could lead to more Presidency-CJP confrontation after the last month's confrontation regarding elevation of the CJ of LHC to the SC.

But, the two offences, for which Rehman Malik has been exonerated are serious: one pertaining to corruption and the other looting. What were the mitigating factors for such a hurried pardon ? The seriousness of the offence and the speed with which Rehman Malik's punishment has been remitted speak volumes about respect for law in that country.

Besides, the President can only 'pardon' a person from the punishment. The conviction remains. Can Rehman Malik, a convict in the eyes of Law, stay put in the Cabinet ?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 13:46

Cakes for the rich, hunger for the poor
Letter in Yawn from a very concerned paki citizen.

Punjab Governor Salman Taseer is buying a Mercedes Benz car to be added to his ‘fleet of vehicles’ at a cost of more than Rs25 million.

No big deal. Typical paki whines. Pakis in power are known to live like the mughals (like their illustrious predecessors). But what attracted my attention to this letter is this quote at the end of it:

It is pathetic that the Punjab chief minister, reputed for good governance, should waste such a large amount of money when a 1,600cc car should suffice. They are reminded of Aristotle’s words: “Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime”.

Hmmm...therefore, if pa'astan and poverty are connected by the hip, then pa'astan is the illegitimate child of the hopelessly deluded mother and the violent father.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 18 May 2010 13:51

Excellent post SS garu....was expecting info from other BRF oldies on similar lines..

Regards,
Venkat

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 18 May 2010 15:14

anupmisra wrote: Hmmm...therefore, if [pak] and poverty are connected by the hip, then [pak] is the illegitimate child of the hopelessly deluded mother and the violent father.

The deluded mother is Islamist fanaticism; the violent father is western colonialism. Unfortunately, the parents are still wedded to each other, and are nurturing the misbegotten child.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 16:39

Dr Fai set to plead Kashmir case at OIC moot
Sorry for using the original headline instead of my own funnier version but the news piece itself is a laugh riot. Read on...

As more urgent issues attract the attention of the people of Pakistan like impending water wars with India, the issue of Kashmir slowly slips down the priority list and it is now up to Kashmiris themselves to take up the issue at international conferences.

What!! Are the porkis hankering for the "impending" water wars with India?

(T)he people of Jammu and Kashmir demanded nothing more than what they were solemnly promised by the United Nations, with the full support of the United States - the status of their country would be determined by their own will through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite under the control of the United Nations.

So, if I understand Fai correctly, he wants the pakis to first vacate PoK? With their kit'n'kaboodle and relocated pashtuns included? And, what country? Pre-1947?

Fai reiterated that for over 63 years the people of Kashmir had suffered senseless oppression at the hands of the occupying power.

Did he just leave out Jammu and Ladakh? And did he just include the pigs in PoK? I wonder what his masters in Slummabad are saying now.

By and large, however, the struggle has been peaceful.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 May 2010 16:59

NRao wrote:The China Syndrome.

Here's how it was done:

Questioning growth number

The usual methodology to post a higher economic growth for the current year is to reduce the growth of the previous year. In other words, reduce the base to get a higher growth for the current year.

The growth number for 2007-08 was provisionally reported to be 5.8 per cent.

Pakistan, on the other hand, posted a positive growth of 2.0 per cent and outshined the strongest economies of the region in 2008-09.

The 5.8 per cent provisional growth of 2007-08 was drastically revised downward to 4.1 per cent and as such the base was reduced to arrive at a higher number of 2.0 per cent for 2008-09. Some methodology for the calculation of value-added for some sectors was also changed without bringing to the notice of the National Accounts Committee.

The same process has been repeated according to the newspaper story for the year 2009-10. (hey! We like to repeat ourselves - repeated lying, begging, warring)

The Federal Bureau of Statistics (FBS) has revised the last year's (2008-09) growth of 2.0 per cent to 1.1 per cent and that too, by further trimming the growth of 2007-08 from 4.1 per cent to 3.7 per cent. Since the base of 2008-09 was trimmed to 1.1 per cent, the growth for the current fiscal year (2009-10) has (magically) risen to 4.1 per cent.

Not only the growth of last year was reduced but also growth of some components of the GDP was outlandishly jacked up in 2009-10.

(T)he growth of the construction sector was pushed up to an unbelievable level of 15 per cent. Only a lunatic would expect the construction sector to grow by 15 per cent in 2009-10. The production of cement adjusted for exports and that of iron and steel has been used as a proxy for calculating growth in value-added in construction. Allah be praised!

Voila! There you have it. Phenomenal GDP growth in the land of the pure. Wait till next year when the growth will be in double digits (and thereby reducing the last three years' growth to zero).

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 May 2010 17:29

SBajwa wrote: Pakistanis are product of "Chaplusi" i.e. "Butterring in Bombayya language" and flattery is enshrined in their genetic makeup. In other words though they would make a huge cry over their "honour and dignity" but they will not even take 2 seconds to sell their own mothers when they realize that their own skin is at threat. Why? and how? Just look at their history!! they have been doing it for centuries!!!!

Thanks Bajwa ji just to support your argument here is a link from today's dawn Americans of Pak origin join drive against terror

Americans are forming anti-terrorism groups across the United States to prevent future terrorist attacks.

The first such group was formed this week in Connecticut, which brings together local, state and federal law-enforcement authorities with two prominent Pakistani organisations, the Pakistani-American Public Affairs Committee (PAPAC) and the Pakistani-American Association of Connecticut.

They formed a community police liaison committee, with hopes that Pakistani-Americans throughout the United States will use it as a model.

Members of two Pakistani-American groups who joined this committee called for their members to notify law enforcement immediately if they suspect someone is involved in terrorism. They also announced a national conference on understanding radicalisation.

In short less pious abduls will now spy on more pious abduls to help kaffirs to win favours and to stay in US. Now what Unkil needs to be way of is the idea of taquiya where less pious abduls will feed wrong intel like DCH

archan · Post by **archan** » 18 May 2010 18:03

Wonder why, with such a high GDP growth in the land of the pure, they have had to close 84 trains for the lack of fuel.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 May 2010 18:19

SSridhar, The US was very much involved in resource mobilization of First Five Year plan with the focus on Community Development. The Second Five Year plan focus on S&T did not find support with US. Then Bokaro steel plant and their demands were too much.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 May 2010 18:58

Brad Goodman wrote: Americans of Pak origin join drive against terror

Americans are forming anti-terrorism groups across the United States to prevent future terrorist attacks.

The first such group was formed this week in Connecticut, which brings together local, state and federal law-enforcement authorities with two prominent Pakistani organisations, the Pakistani-American Public Affairs Committee (PAPAC) and the Pakistani-American Association of Connecticut.

They formed a community police liaison committee, with hopes that Pakistani-Americans throughout the United States will use it as a model.

Members of two Pakistani-American groups who joined this committee called for their members to notify law enforcement immediately if they suspect someone is involved in terrorism. They also announced a national conference on understanding radicalisation.

Will they also stop fund drive to support Kashmir Jihad and terrorism.
Indians need to help the law enforcement authorities in this by including the prevention of Kashmir Jihad and kashmir fund drive. Once a person become radical then he is permanently radical and will support all jihad including Kashmir.