Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 May 2010 23:41

Pak 'mindset' on terror has changed: Krishna

External Affairs Minister S M Krishna believes there has been a “transformation” in the Pakistani mindset in tackling terror and India could try out a “new beginning” with the country. Krishna said as a witness to the meeting of the two countries' Prime Ministers in Thimphu, he was confident that Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani had given sincere assurances on trying to control anti-Indian terror emanating from Pakistani soil

Dont know what Gilani & Qureshi did in Thimpu that has Krishna singing praises.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 May 2010 23:46

This is telling a mad man to behave himself.

US to tell Pak: Shun 'India-centric' policies

According to a top Pakistani official, who spoke on conditions of anonymity, during their meeting with country’s military and civilian leaderships, the US delegation is likely to instruct Islamabad to shun its India-centric approach and focus more on the ‘war on terror’, 'The Daily Times' reports.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 May 2010 00:50

Brad Goodman wrote:Pak 'mindset' on terror has changed: Krishna

Dont know what Gilani & Qureshi did in Thimpu that has Krishna singing praises.

Nothing happened. If you notice the tone of the comments made by INC ministers in UPA govt (SMK, JR etc) and MMS's inaction against them, you can notice their close alignment with USA perfidy.

The problem is not UPA as MMS tries to present, it is INC within UPA.

Hope the Yadava-trinity realizes this perfidy and support other power centers.

One can clearly see how USA/INC is buying of all these corrupt pygmys by satisfying/controlling their self-interests.

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 20 May 2010 00:59

From IBN link above:

Suhasini Haidar: Yet according to a CNN-IBN survey -- where we interviewed a group of analysts and experts -- they felt that the foreign ministry may have got some grip on affairs but the main cause of concern is the MEA handling of Pakistan. On both trying to get Pakistan to accept India’s demands on terror but also in convincing the nation of its policy on Pakistan. What happened at Sharm-el-Sheikh?

S M Krishna: From Sharm-el-Sheikh we have moved on to Thimphu and then to the telephonic conversation with the Foreign Minister of Pakistan. Pakistan has been one of our most difficult issues. It causes considerable concern. In the backdrop of the attack on Mumbai naturally the country is worked up.

The one who has been apprehended and tried has been now sentenced, and the world at large must be satisfied that the due process of law has taken place in India . To that extent we have dealt with Pakistan on the more substantive issues (Is SMK really dumb?) -- I think we made some kind of breakthrough when the two PMs met, and I was also present when they met in Sharm-el-Sheikh too. ( breakthru?... ?)

I found in Thimpu there has been greater affinity and impact in the discussion that took place between the PMs. In Thimpu for the first time the Pakistani Prime Minister assured us -- of course they have assured us earlier also -- that Pakistan soil wont be used for anti- India activities.(SMK is proud of this!!! )

Suhasini Haidar: Significant enough that you are speaking of a change in mindset in Pakistan, because many are saying that in effect India has accepted its failure in persuading Pakistan. That the fact that you are willing to re-engage, willing to start afresh is an acceptance you can’t get Pakistan to do what you were willing to on issues like Hafiz Saeed (founder of the militant group Lashkar-e-Toiba)?

S M Krishna: Let us give them the benefit of doubt. Take for example the Hafiz Saeed issued -- based on the dossier we handed over to them they arrested Saeed on several occasions -- on both occasions it is the court of law that intervened and they released him. SMK is speaking for Pakis. This guy is really dumb

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 20 May 2010 01:09

Uncle says, India go and give legitimacy to TSP by talking to them. india says, "Yes sir". India was asked to bend, but we crawled.

Pulikeshi · Post by **Pulikeshi** » 20 May 2010 01:10

^ Perhaps there is been a change in the mindset of Krishna.
The lesson of the leopard's spots he missed in kindergarten
Is he now the Eternal (pak) Affairs Minister of TSP?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 May 2010 01:20

Pulikeshi wrote:^ Perhaps there is been a change in the mindset of Krishna.
Is he now the External Affairs Minister of TSP?

The change is indeed in the mind , the journey from India to Dhimmindia is almsot complete. It is strange that our MEA/ GOI belive that Paki Politican actually control and run Pakiland. But then who can be blamed for Doormat talking to/about Doormat for inevitable outcome is disppointment and insult to the common sense. Hope it is good for Congress vote bank politics.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 20 May 2010 01:33

SMK wrote:In Thimpu for the first time the Pakistani Prime Minister assured us -- of course they have assured us earlier also -- that Pakistan soil wont be used for anti- India activities.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 20 May 2010 01:51

For the last 1000 years, every one was assured of "now everything has changed in their thinking". You have to be seriously deranged to think that they will change on their own.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 May 2010 02:09

what if the extra crawling at thimpu forestalled another mumbai type attack? i.e. intel was indicating pak was ready for one (to call off heat from afghan frontier) and with extra crawling it pre-empted the move?
trying some extra complex logic hypotheses!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 May 2010 02:16

Lalmohan Come on! Even INC/UPA apologists ae not sayig that!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 May 2010 02:19

yeah i know, just pushing the envelope a little!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 May 2010 02:24

Spoken like a LMU graduate.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 May 2010 03:15

Madan Mohan Malaviya

However, Malaviya’s “milk of human kindness” flowed only for the Hindus as he held the most unkind words in his armoury for the Muslims. Addressing a huge Hindu public gathering in Lahore in 1922, he exhorted them against the Muslims in these words: “Gentle folks! So long as you fear rascals, they will continue to be impudent. They only dread the big stick. Give them a hard fight…”

IMO, they are creating this out of thin cloth. Just like Mrs. Gandhi's supposed statement that Bangladesh is revenge for 1000 years of Muslim rule. Mrs. Gandhi never said any such thing. She did say she has drowned the Two Nation Theory in the Bay of Bengal. But inventing the this enables the framing of history as "1000 years of Muslim rule".

Right now the above statement is found only in a few places. If Malaviya did not say any such thing and a google-able refutation is not made available, it will soon become "public knowledge" that Malaviya said some such thing.

It is very essential to protect the integrity of history. I'm reasonably convinced that a lot of the historic Muslim victories against great odds are exaggerations. But no one contradicted them at the time and they are now accepted history.

If anyone can definitively pronounce on this quote of Malaviya, please do so.

PS: What I can find is that Malaviya gave a speech:

6 December 1922 Speech on Hindu Muslim goodwill in Lahore

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 20 May 2010 04:18

The quotaton attributed to Pt MMM by the TSP paper does not use the M word. It merely says rascal. Now maybe the author knows something we don't which allowed him to quickly connect up rascal = M.

By the way, even if Pt. MMM did say that, big deal. What exactly is incorrect about it. Compare this with the tankers of vitriolic vituperative invective of Jinnah.

My fly is open, but hey what is that speck on your silk tie.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 May 2010 05:09

Islamization of the Pakistani Army:

Pak Army denies sacked Major linked to New York bomb plot

And, then we have this:

‘LeT trained Times Square bomber in PoK’

Pakis shooting themselves in the foot.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 May 2010 05:29

surinder wrote: By the way, even if Pt. MMM did say that, big deal. What exactly is incorrect about it. Compare this with the tankers of vitriolic vituperative invective of Jinnah.

No big deal in the scheme of things. But as a principle, if something is made up by Pakistanis, it is virtually mandatory to expose the lie.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 May 2010 05:31

Lalmohan wrote:what if the extra crawling at thimpu forestalled another mumbai type attack? i.e. intel was indicating pak was ready for one (to call off heat from afghan frontier) and with extra crawling it pre-empted the move?
trying some extra complex logic hypotheses!

This will put Paki in driving seat and precisely the reason to not to talk to them. I am willing to wait and watch as IMHO this is MMS way of welcoming, doing Persian salam to jahanpanah O on India visit.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 May 2010 06:00

PIous Vs Biased
KARACHI: Seventeen people became victims in renewed start of target killings in the city on Wednesday.
Police said the incidents of target killings took place in Sir Syed Town, Kuti Pahari, North Karachi, Abul Ispahani road and other areas.Meanwhile, President Awami National Party Shahi Syed, heading a delegation, called on Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah to discuss the issue of target killings.The chief minister took strict notice of the killings started during the last 24 hours and called for effective steps to maintain law and order.He assured the ANP delegation that killers involved in target killings would soon be arrested and awarded exemplary punishment.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ings-hs-03

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2010 06:12

Sen_K wrote:From IBN link above:

S M Krishna: Let us give them the benefit of doubt. Take for example the Hafiz Saeed issued -- based on the dossier we handed over to them they arrested Saeed on several occasions -- on both occasions it is the court of law that intervened and they released him.

Yes, true. The proof is here

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 May 2010 06:33

Brad Goodman wrote:I am suprised this has not been posted here. If nothing for its comic value

Understanding the Indian mindset

Maybe OT here - I have sent him a reply doing an equalequal

You write as if you have made a great discovery about the Hindu mindset.
Actually, Hindus are far from non violent. That should be obvious. Recall
that the religion of the Hindus survived the onslaught of jealous and
exclusivist religions like Christianity and Islam while the kafir religions
that existed all over Africa, West Asia and Europe and Persia were swallowed
up and replaced by Islam or Christianity.

If you think Hindus survived by non violence you have another think coming
sir. Just like the followers of Islam told a white lie and claimed
that "Islam is a religion of peace" to describe a religion of bestial
violence, Hindus too told a white lie and claimed "non violence" as a motto
when non violence was furthest from their minds.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 May 2010 07:10

Senator Dr Khalid Soomro (JUI-F) complained about inflation on Geo TV's Capital Talk today, saying that a cup of tea now costs Rupees 18.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 20 May 2010 07:55

Swedish Embassy not working since May 3

Sweden has closed its Embassy in Pakistan stating bad security situation a reason behind this move.
When contacted on Wednesday, an official of Embassy confirmed this and said that the Embassy of Sweden in Islamabad is temporarily closed until further notice. “Because of the current limited capacity for handling e-mail questions, we would encourage new visa and residence permit applicants to wait and regularly visit our website,” he said adding that new applications can be received through FedEx/Gerry’s. According to officials, Embassy closed its service on 3rd May while a message displayed on official website of Embassy stated that applicants with pending cases will be contacted as soon as possible.
The message further stated that a certain delay in handling of applications would unfortunately be inevitable. Afghan citizens applying for residence permit have the possibility to file an application in Tehran or New Delhi. For extremely and exceptionally urgent short stay visa matters, authorities of Embassy have advised the applicants to contact other Swedish embassies in the region.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 May 2010 08:43

Kiya-nahi gets a chance to prove the truth of his name.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan agreed in principle on Wednesday to launch a full-fledged military operation against the Taliban in North Waziristan, but candidly told the United States that the timing of the offensive would be decided by it.

“Pakistan is sincere and committed in combating terrorism and is ready to expand its anti-militancy operations to North Waziristan.

“However, for that we will require time to do the necessary shaping up. The operation will be started according to our own judgment,” a senior official told Dawn after US National Security Adviser Gen James Jones and CIA chief Leon Panetta held a meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Chief of the Army Staff Gen Parvez Kayani.

Dawn

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 May 2010 08:45

Khalid Khawaja's appeal against extradition of Mullah Baradar dismissed by court.
http://news.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/da ... enge-qs-12

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2010 10:23

21 Killed & 25 Injured in a single day in target killing in Karachi
AoA only.

Out of the people killed, six were Pakhtuns, two Urdu-speaking citizens, two Mohajir Qaumi Movement-Haqiqi workers, two Punjabis, two Awami National Party (ANP) activists and one an activist of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 20 May 2010 10:35

SSridhar wrote:21 Killed & 25 Injured in a single day in target killing in Karachi
AoA only.
Out of the people killed, six were Pakhtuns, two Urdu-speaking citizens, two Mohajir Qaumi Movement-Haqiqi workers, two Punjabis, two Awami National Party (ANP) activists and one an activist of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

The killers seem to be scrupulously fair in terms of dispatching various grades of barbaric animals to meet their 72...only Sindis are missing..

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 20 May 2010 10:37

A_Gupta wrote:Kiya-nahi gets a chance to prove the truth of his name.
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan agreed in principle on Wednesday to launch a full-fledged military operation against the Taliban in North Waziristan, but candidly told the United States that the timing of the offensive would be decided by it.

“Pakistan is sincere and committed in combating terrorism and is ready to expand its anti-militancy operations to North Waziristan.

“However, for that we will require time to do the necessary shaping up. The operation will be started according to our own judgment,” a senior official told Dawn after US National Security Adviser Gen James Jones and CIA chief Leon Panetta held a meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Chief of the Army Staff Gen Parvez Kayani.
Dawn

As someone pointed out Kiyanahi is waiting for safe removal of 'friends/assets' before launching a fake attack that will headlines with round number of casualties for a few weeks...

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 May 2010 12:15

Pakistan blocks YouTube over 'blasphemous' material

wikipedia also blockled

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 May 2010 12:20

WRT the Dera Ghazi Khan PAEC facility.
This is a facility that deals with uranium refinement. There are several uranium mines in that area.
The facility itself is in the process of major upgradation, it is reported, to almost double its capacity.

This image was taken in 2004

And this image is dated 2009.

There are a few more buildings in each of the three compounds. There are large water tanks on the ground that are used for uranium ore silting. The interesting thing is that ground has been cleared to almost double the size of the Chemical Plants Complex.

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 20 May 2010 13:05

shravan wrote:Pakistan blocks YouTube over 'blasphemous' material

wikipedia also blockled

Can some one put these cartoons on Orkut, Linkedin and a few p*rn sites also. Paki would be off the web for ever. Back to 7th century!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 20 May 2010 15:51

Pakbarian animalistan on the right course of purity - Facebook, YouTube, Wikipedia all banned. Now all we have to do to ensure that they stay in 15th century is to make sure some criticism of RoP is there in any useful site. Coming close as it does to the Shahzad affair, the impression is written into the dNAs of todays western youth and public is that TsP is the global HQ of terrorism, fanatic barbarianism and animalism.....the more they shout from rooftop that they are 'moderate' it only goes to damage the reputation of moderation itself...If this is moderate, people will wonder what KSA and others are...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 20 May 2010 15:53

My god Durvasa, our thinking and our postings are in parallel

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 20 May 2010 15:53

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/115759/upa ... istry.html

For whatever it is worth, watch the video.... India's Pakistan policy.... and on and on and on...

Mani shankar Aiyar... I tell ya, could well be sitting in Pakistan Forin Ofis...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2010 16:00

Pakistan orders more protection for Prof. Hafeez Saeed
It is now very obvious from whom TSP is protecting Prof. Hafeez Saeed from, the Punjabi Taliban. AoA.

Pakistani authorities have directed police to step up security of Jamaat-ud-Dawah chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, blamed by India for masterminding the Mumbai attacks, followings reports that a group of Taliban militants might target him.

The interior department of Punjab province has issued a circular to police that there is a “potential” threat to the life of Saeed and his security should be enhanced.

Lahore’s acting police chief SSP Shafiq Ahmed told PTI that there is a security threat to Saeed and police had received instructions from the provincial government to beef up his security.

“Following the instruction, we have deployed more policemen at his residence in Johar Town and the JuD mosque in Chauburji. We have also improved his escort during his movements,” Ahmed said.

There were reports that Saeed had received threats from the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan but Ahmed and JuD spokesman Yahya Mujahid did not confirm this.

“There has been no threat to Hafiz sahab’s life from the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.

We have not received any threat from the Taliban,” Mujahid told PTI.

According to an Urdu newspaper, Saeed recently received threats from an “anti-Pakistan group operating in the tribal areas” bordering Afghanistan.

“The Taliban is against Saeed because he had issued a fatwa (edict) against suicide bombings,” {But, the real reason is that there is a jihad going on between the 'more pious' and the 'less pious' and at this point of time, the 'more pious' believe that Prof. Hafeez Saeed is on the side of the 'less pious' and therefore fair game for slaughter. Prof. saeed must be immediately transferred to the X Corps HQ for safer custody. But, wait. GHQ itself has been attacked and Kayani escaped by a whisker so that may not be a safe option either. AoA. Isn't there no safe place for the Ahl-e-Hadees in the 'Land of the Pure' ?} the daily reported.

The scene of action is certainly shifting to the Punjab now. Unfortunately for Prof. Hafeez Saeed, he lost many members of his organization to the more pious and hence more aggressive LeJ, HuJI and Brigade 313 after the Laal Masjid storming by the State. The chickens are coming home to roost. Insh'a Allah.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 20 May 2010 16:06

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan orders more protection for Prof. Hafeez Saeed

I thought may be that is because PC ad his team s expected soon in Pakistan....

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 20 May 2010 17:12

A_Gupta wrote:Senator Dr Khalid Soomro (JUI-F) complained about inflation on Geo TV's Capital Talk today, saying that a cup of tea now costs Rupees 18.

I think a cup of tea in India costs Rs 5 so by conversion rates it should cost Rs 10 for pakis at the most Rs 12 but Rs 18 seems to be too high that tells me PKR will be sliding southwards pretty soon. Which in turn means more money would have to be pumped by 3.5 to keep their strategic asset afloat. So now time to raise bets or quit.

saket · Post by **saket** » 20 May 2010 17:24

How Pakistani Taliban Is Like Facebook

By Max Fisher on May 19, 2010 11:59am

The Pakistani government's relationship with the country's various insurgent groups, sometimes described generally under the broad term "Taliban," is complicated. Pakistan actively fights some, turns a blind eye to others, and is often accused of secretly backing some groups. What's less complicated is the Pakistani government's relationship with Facebook: The social networking site was blocked nationwide on Wednesday because of a single Facebook group that invites users to submit humorous drawing of the prophet Mohammad, a violation of Islamic law. Nitin Pai, a prominent Indian journalist and blogger, takes the opportunity to compare and contrast.

* What Facebook Can Learn From Name-Changing Insurgent Groups "Dear Facebook: if the Pakistani govt bans you, you only have to resurface under a new name."

* Pakistan Tougher on Facebook Than Terrorist Associates "What's the difference between Facebook and [terrorist-associated group] Jamaat-ud-Dawa? Ans: Facebook is banned in Pakistan."

* How Facebook Is Like Pakistani Terror Groups "What's common to Facebook and Lashkar-e-Taiba? Ans: They are both banned in Pakistan, but Pakistanis can still find them if they want to."

* 'Good Facebook and Bad Facebook' Indian journalist Sidin Vadukut riffs off the oft-repeated claim that Pakistan can support certain insurgents because there is a "good" Taliban and a "bad" Taliban. He tweets, "Yes but why don't Pakistanis get that there is good Facebook and bad Facebook?"

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features ... ebook-1273

archan · Post by **archan** » 20 May 2010 17:56

durvasa wrote: Can some one put these cartoons on Orkut, Linkedin and a few p*rn sites also. Paki would be off the web for ever. Back to 7th century!

Indeed, pakistan should ban the internetz. Lots of blasphemy all over this kuffar internetz. And as you said, one more step towards the pureness of the 7th century.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 20 May 2010 18:17

archan wrote:
durvasa wrote: Can some one put these cartoons on Orkut, Linkedin and a few p*rn sites also. Paki would be off the web for ever. Back to 7th century!
Indeed, pakistan should ban the internetz. Lots of blasphemy all over this kuffar internetz. And as you said, one more step towards the pureness of the 7th century.

Any and every device that takes them away from 7th century needs to be banned the list should include but not limited to

1) AK 47
2) IED Mubarak
3) Cell Phones
4) Aeroplanes
5) Internet / Computers
6) TV & Radio