Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

bart · Post by **bart** » 04 Jun 2010 14:12

ajit_tr wrote:Pak-India war in Afghanistan

The Pakhtun belt along the Pak-Afghan border has often been the scene of internal conflict after invading foreign forces have left the region. Historically, world powers have chosen the Pakhtun belt for their struggles for domination, such as Russia and Britain. Of late, the US and its allies and their Arab and non-Arab adversaries have also used Pakhtuns. Therefore, Pakhtuns are always divided into two opposing camps supported with money and arms by their respective supporters. War has become their business. They feel proud of defeating superpowers and preserving freedom and independence, though at the cost of blood, loss of property and lost generations of Pakhtuns.

All other international and regional players have had to leave the scene to quit the game, but India and Pakistan have had no pause since 1947. Because of Afghanistan's refusal to recognise Pakistan from day one due to the Durand Line issue and India's attempts to exploit this animosity, the proxy war has not come to an end. As against its treatment of other states in its immediate neighbourhood, India has been more generous to Afghanistan. Not for love of Afghans but because of its ambitions to use Afghanistan for settling scores with Pakistan. In response, the Pakistani establishment always looked at Afghanistan in the context of the country's animosity with India.

Any Afghan politician or ruler who was close to India became the enemy of Pakistan. During the Cold War, India always dominated the game, but after the Soviet withdrawal and the fall of the Najibullah regime in Kabul, Pakistan was all set to pay India back in the same coin. However, the Indian policymakers outsmarted Pakistani policymakers when they befriended some Afghan Mujahideen factions. Pakistan responded by fully supporting Taliban fighters in their occupation of Kabul, thus ousting India from the game. To achieve this objective, at a huge cost in the form of structural dislocation of our economy, the Westernised and clean-shaven Pakistani generals befriended the Taliban, who considered the beard and wearing of the turban as acts of faith.

LOL...funny article. As usual blames India for everything, including the Islamization of the Paki Army, presence of Taliban, etc.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Jun 2010 15:09

abhijitm wrote:
Anujan wrote:Someone please enlighten me about what the takleef is conducting a census in the land of the pure? Apparently the last census was conducted when the Quaid was still in his diapers.
2. next issue is madrassa math. 1 + 1 = 11.

In paki's case, the mad-math is 1+1=1.75 (thus undercounting the population to come up with better economic numbers).

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Jun 2010 15:25

More wheat available for export
Every dark cloud has a silver lining including official statistics on paki poverty.

Pakistan consumes less wheat because of poverty

Consumption of wheat in Pakistan fell 10 percent last year, because people lost the purchasing power to buy even that most basic of food staples in the south Asian country, a top UN official said on Wednesday.

Pakistan’s central bank on Tuesday revised its average inflation forecast for 2009-10 upwards at between 11.5 per cent and 12.5 per cent, compared with the earlier forecast of between 11.0 per cent and 12.0 per cent.

A government task force on food security estimated last year that about 62 million of 170 million people were below the poverty line in the 2008-09 (July-June) fiscal years.

According to the report, 15.7 percent of the population does not get enough food, while 58 per cent are on the borderline.

And how can a paki talk about paki problems with mentioning: “Our food security situation has been further compounded due to the war on terror, hurting the already food insecure areas of the country,” So, America, please give more.

WooHoo!! Now the "silver lining" part: 26% of pakis are not poor. They can afford naans.

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 Jun 2010 16:45

bart wrote: LOL...funny article. As usual blames India for everything, including the Islamization of the Paki Army, presence of Taliban, etc.

Is Islam a RAW conspiracy?

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 04 Jun 2010 17:49

archan wrote:
bart wrote: LOL...funny article. As usual blames India for everything, including the Islamization of the Paki Army, presence of Taliban, etc.
Is Islam a RAW conspiracy?

Oh absolutly not. (even though you intended in hmour)

Islam is probably not much of a religion to Pakistanis either. It's not the sacred worship of the almighty that bounds Pakistan to Islam, it is more of a defence mechanism used to build up a seige mentality against non-believers. The Pakis have bought shame to the purity of Islam , they have broken and bent the very back of what Islam preaches and manufactured a devil from it which is all about the hate and regression.

The arbas and their Wahabi belief seem tepid in front of Pakis (who btw claim to be leaders of the muslim world).

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 Jun 2010 19:31

Nihat wrote: It's not the sacred worship of the almighty that bounds Pakistan to Islam, it is more of a defense mechanism used to build up a seige mentality against non-believers. The Pakis have bought shame to the purity of Islam , they have broken and bent the very back of what Islam preaches and manufactured a devil from it which is all about the hate and regression.

The arbas and their Wahabi belief seem tepid in front of Pakis (who btw claim to be leaders of the muslim world).

I don't know if it is a defense mechanism, it appears to be an offense mechanism to me. They want our land and they want to use Islam as a tool to gain land by organizing people under its (misused) name. So far they have failed miserably and have only lost land. The overt "defense" is a show to keep their public under fear of big bad India and other "qafirs" to justify military funding and make them ignore the deplorable administration they have received for decades.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jun 2010 19:59

arun wrote:
shravan wrote:Friday declared sensitive in Lahore

We have declared Friday sensitive because most of the attacks occurred on that day, police official said.
Surely it is an Un-Islamic act of maligning Islam to suggest that the Momin are somehow incited to violence on the Muslim Sabbath of Friday thereby calling for enhanced security measures!

Has the Lahore police force overnight deserted the Ummah and turned Kaafir?

The Muslim Sabbath of Friday has indeed turned out to be “Sensitive“ though not in Lahore.

A “Worship place” has been attacked in Karachi.

I suspect going by use of “Worship place” and “ Khowaja Jamaat Khana” the minority Ismaili aka Khoja sect of Islam was the target for this act of violence.

Can someone confirm that it was ?

Two killed in Karachi firing

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 04 Jun 2010 20:05

I am not sure if experts here are aware of a puki forum called gupshup. After the murderous slaughter of ahmediyas I visited the site as it is frequented by puki moderates to see what is their reaction. Surprisingly it was low key and responses varied from they deserve it to tut-tutting. Since most of them stay in canada in US, I hope FBI keeps a close watch on these urban jihadis, I do see shades of Faisal Shezad in some members.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Jun 2010 20:11

SSridhar wrote:She writes about the failure in India against the Naxals and compares it with a similar failure in Pakistan against the terrorists. In the end, she says:

The lady misses a few key points
1. Terrorism in Pakistan is a blowback -- of using terror as an instrument of state policy against other countries. Naxalism as far as India is concerned (a) is not a blowback (b) Is not being used as an instrument of state policy (c) Is not being exported

2. The question of acting brutally and decisively against the Naxals is moderated by whether we should kill our own citizens in a brutal manner, or use airpower inside our borders, or overcommit our army. The question of acting brutally and decisively against the terrorists is moderated by whether using them as a leverage against Afghanistan & India will be degraded. The former thinking has basis in morality and ethics, the latter thinking has its basis in fanaticism and barbarity.

3. Terrorism in Pakistan has a religious dimension, which harks back to the basis on which Pakistan was founded. In a way it is an existential question for Pakistan. Naxalism in India, even if we accept its legitimacy, is a developmental question.

4. The Naxal problem of India can be solved within the legal/constitutional framework of India and the essential character of India will remain the same.

Having said that, considering the equation specific to the point that both Naxals and Pak-based terrorists are made of protons and electrons, yes they are the same in this aspect.

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 Jun 2010 20:21

^^ please post the above in response to her article so she can read it and mayyyyyyyyyyyyyybe "get it".

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 04 Jun 2010 21:23

Pakistan is using attack as a form of defense throwing everything at the enemy in desperation for what it views as a matter of survival. Its on a full blown Jihad and has done everything in its power to harness the Brahmastra of Islam against Bharat. Its an exercise that has proved fruitless. Jihad has backfired. Pakistan cannot win and India will not lose as it is ordained by Allah. Better yet Krishna. God knows what it will take for these people to realise they are on the path of destruction and failure. If Aam Abdul took a brief moment to pull his beard out of the next Abduls' musharaff, switch on reasoning ability I regard all humans possess, he may do something constructive for once. We can thank foreign countries for financing the continued shenanigans of this appalling excuse for a "country", its armed forces and its glorious Jihad.

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 04 Jun 2010 21:45

Nayak wrote:I am not sure if experts here are aware of a puki forum called gupshup. After the murderous slaughter of ahmediyas I visited the site as it is frequented by puki moderates to see what is their reaction. Surprisingly it was low key and responses varied from they deserve it to tut-tutting. Since most of them stay in canada in US, I hope FBI keeps a close watch on these urban jihadis, I do see shades of Faisal Shezad in some members.

Not sure about this one but in deff and dumb many US based posters who were jehadi types have stopped posting, or changed their names or have become very moderate in anti american remarks. Poster no longer openly support people like FS by posting something like "If I were at his position I will put a bomb myself too" anymore (statements like these were common 3-4 years back). But this is taqqiya only as they know that big brother is watching every paki inbred in US.

deff and dumb is no longer fun without these ch***as who have spoiled the fun by suddenly making this U-turn on their stands like herr commando.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 04 Jun 2010 23:45

Are you guys talking about the original deaf and dumb or its even more juvenile knock-offs where every paki schoolboy is a general or admiral or air chief marshal in a mentally onanistic manner? there is not much difference in the quality of posts in either the original or the knock-offs. Only the original one at least knows what to plagiarize.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Jun 2010 00:50

Well if they can blame Indians for their Sunnat In FATA then what else is done on their won accord... GUBO , Grease and Green Grass Gulping .

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 05 Jun 2010 01:32

GE Sees Opening in Pakistan Energy Crisis - However article is mostly about how bad the situation in Pak is.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 1mc&pos=13

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Jun 2010 01:39

Ameet wrote:GE Sees Opening in Pakistan Energy Crisis - However article is mostly about how bad the situation in Pak is.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 1mc&pos=13

That is just the begining. They will take over the country for profit and make it a slave country
Corporation has an entire country under its control. That is the level of backwardness of Pakis

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 05 Jun 2010 01:49

Pakistan expects gas pipeline work soon

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resourc ... 275666444/

Hojjatollah Ghanimifard, a top investment director at the National Iranian Oil Co., told the Platts news service the $7 billion pipeline contract would be finalized next week.

First gas deliveries through the pipeline are expected by 2015, he said. Pakistan has contracted 750,000 cubic feet of gas per day through the pipeline under the terms of the 25-year deal.

Pakistan expects to save $1 billion each year in energy costs when the pipeline goes into service.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 05 Jun 2010 02:25

The big picture blog on boston globe just put up a series of images from the Hunza landslide area - link

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Jun 2010 04:06

‘Punjab govt has no cash to pay salaries’

“It (Punjab) sought the federal government’s help, which enabled it pay salaries by transferring money to its account on the last day of the month. That is how a surplus, in every sense of the word, province has been turned into a bankrupt federating unit all because of lack of vision, egotist policies and sheer incapability of Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif.”Of a total development outlay of Rs175 billion, only Rs74 billion had been spent in the year, the Chaudhry said.

Flanked by Leader of the Opposition Chaudhry Zaheeruddin and former Punjab law minister Raja Basharat, Mr Elahi said that Sharif Brothers were defaulter of over Rs4 billion to different banks.

He said the Punjab government was currently raiding people’s residences to recover tax on luxury vehicles, and when notices were issued to Sharif Brothers for Wealth Tax, they went to court (seeking stay orders) to avoid payment.

“That is how both brothers are setting a personal example of good governance,” he claimed.

He said the Punjab government had turned out to be a government “for the task forces and by the task forces”. According to him, there are four task forces on ‘cattle lifting’, three on sports and one has been created even in London for the Pakistani community.

Elahi said the advocate general cost Rs700,000 per month along with two vehicles and five-star hotel stay. The Lahore commissioner is drawing a Rs340,000 salary as project director of Ring Road, Chief Minister’s Task Force Chairman (Farooq Naveed) draws a Rs280,000 monthly salary, the Liquidation Board chairman Rs400,000 and AD Analysis Khalid Sherdil Rs200,000. “All these appointments are personal, but cost the province,” he claimed.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jun 2010 04:16

pgbhat wrote:‘Punjab govt has no cash to pay salaries’

No big deal. Pakis are now ready and willing to work for food. See my earlier post above Clicky.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 05 Jun 2010 07:07

Prasad wrote:The big picture blog on boston globe just put up a series of images from the Hunza landslide area - link

Some snippets from Strat
"It is unclear how long the road link will remain severed, especially since the imminent destruction of the artificial dam, depending on the trajectory of the water, could wash out sections of the highway further downstream. When the waters do recede, large sections and bridges on the world’s highest paved road will have to be rebuilt. (Three key bridges already are submerged.)

The severing of the road link is complicating relief efforts to the local population affected by the flooding, thereby adding additional stress on the Pakistani army — whose resources are already stretched thin given the war against the jihadists further to the southwest of Gilgit-Baltistan. In 1999, securing the highway and Gilgit-Baltistan reportedly formed a key element in the Pakistani army’s plans to grab territory in Indian-administered Kashmir. That effort involved the use of an Islamist guerrilla force backed by regular troops against India, which resulted in the Kargil War. India considers Gilgit-Baltistan as part of its northernmost state of Jammu and Kashmir. It lost the region during its 1948 war with Pakistan. New Delhi has long been uneasy about collaboration between Islamabad and Beijing, especially with regard to the construction of the Karakoram Highway.

Completed in 1986, the highway took 20 years to build. While Chinese-Pakistani trade volume has not reached the levels that either side expected when they jointly embarked upon the task of building the highway, the Karakoram land route last year reportedly accounted for about 5 percent of the overall bilateral trade between the two nations, which reportedly amounted to $6.78 billion. Frequent closures due to the weather and seismic activity — especially a devastating earthquake in 2005, which damaged several different sections of the highway — have kept the road from becoming a key artery for trade.

The Pakistani army’s corps of engineers repaired the damages from the 2005 temblor, and the Pakistani and Chinese governments agreed in 2006 to a major overhaul and upgrade of the road at a cost $352 million, a process to be completed by 2012. Damage caused by the formation of Attaabad Lake, however, is expected to take as long as two years to repair.

The extent of damage to the road at this stage remains unclear. But the disruption of traffic on the Karakoram Highway is a major concern for Pakistan, which sees it as a major lifeline into a very strategic region vis-a-vis its main rival, India, and its key regional ally, China."

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jun 2010 07:53

The Punjabi Taliban of Muridke, Jhang and elsewhere are also operating and they coordinate with their headquarters in North Waziristan. These groups must be dealt with to secure the lives of Pakistani citizens. The urgency of this task has been underlined by the recent attacks in Lahore and the many subsequent threats. Splinter groups like the Asian Tigers and others have adopted different strategies. To eliminate them, the federal government and the army needs to get full support from the Punjab government, and this has not been forthcoming so far. The PML-N leadership has had relations with the Taliban and it is time they finally decide which side they are on. This should be a deciding factor before the next ‘operation’.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jun 2010 07:56

Shackled by obscurantism dogging the masses with religious war and decrees, Pakistan is taking a sad turn away from its manifest destiny
Historically, the latter-day self-styled champions of Islamic ideology in our country were almost entirely opposed to the creation of Pakistan. Yet so entrenched is the state indoctrination of the Pakistani mind that it is unable to break free from the idea that Pakistan was created for faith. Shahid Ilyas — who hails from Waziristan — makes a similar mistake in his piece ‘Stop blaming the West’ (Daily Times, June 2, 2010). Indeed it is erroneously titled. It should have been titled, ‘Stop blaming the Islamic parties and Afghan jihad’. That is what the writer is asking us to do. I, for one, did not understand how the title of the article corresponded with its contents.

His claim is that Pakistan took the trajectory it did because it was founded in the name of Islam. The truth is that Muhammad Ali Jinnah was neither the proponent of an exclusivist ideology nor a promoter of any religious cause. His creation, Pakistan, emerged from an epic struggle; a democratic, plural and fair fight for the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent, after a union had been marked out as an option by the majority party.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jun 2010 07:59

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_4
Free enterprise religion —Nasir Abbas Mirza

We want sects and we want brands. We want to outdo others by doing or undoing what other sects are doing. The sectarian system is a class system. We have to devise ways to stamp our identities. Once that is done, we proudly wear the proof of our distinctive identity on our foreheads. That is extreme branding

In two countries of the world — the US and Pakistan — religion is a model-free enterprise. Rival mosques and madrassas compete for the allegiance and charity of the God-fearing people of our Islamic Republic. In this war, all tools of hard-sell marketing are employed and aggressive advertisements and media manipulation techniques sort out the sectarian winners and losers. Why not? What works for cell phones and shampoos also works for the business of religion.

It is the freest of free enterprises with no state to speak of to monitor, let alone regulate, the working of this multibillion dollar business. When our government speaks of ‘non-state actors’, it is not diplomatic doublespeak; it actually means it. All those who have read Econ-101 know what laissez-faire means. Well, literally translated, it means “leave to do” or “let them get on with it”. That, in a nutshell, is our government’s policy (especially in Punjab) in relation to the religious hell-raisers.

Long before there were brands and labels for products, there were brands and labels for human beings. There are more brands of humans than there are shades of lipstick. Leave alone for the time being racial and ethnic labels and stick to my favourite label: religion

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jun 2010 08:01

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_6

Deadly harvest —by Afrah Jamal

Seeds of Terror: The Taliban, The ISI and The New Opium Wars
By Gretchen Peters

With money at the root, opium at the core, smugglers at the back and the Taliban in the lead, an ancient form of commerce feeds a burgeoning terror industry. Gretchen Peters is convinced that hunting down the elusive top tier leadership must be in conjunction with targeting the source of their (fire)power.

The ‘House of Terror’ has branched out. But are the pious, holier than thou Taliban ‘doing drugs’? Seeds of Terror seems to think so. But it does not cast them as drug barons or junkies but as profiteers — patrons of a trade they have perfected to an art. Peters sees this as an economic miracle (of sorts) given that it originates from “one of the world’s most remote and backward regions, where the transport network and infrastructure is almost completely shattered”, but where the Taliban have nevertheless “managed to integrate an agricultural product — albeit illegally — into the global economy”. This crude yet effective form of commerce keeps the clunky, soulless machine going.

archan · Post by **archan** » 05 Jun 2010 08:21

anupmisra wrote:
pgbhat wrote:‘Punjab govt has no cash to pay salaries’
No big deal. Pakis are now ready and willing to work for food. See my earlier post above Clicky.

Good, they are doing away with the haraam money. Like Janaab Zaid Zaman Hamid has postulated, dealings should be in gold etc. and not in currency. Pakistan is not walking, but running back to the pious days of 7th century! rejoice!

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jun 2010 08:30

State of denial

On the very day of the terrorist incidents in Lahore, Rana Sanaullah, who was participating in a discussion with this writer in a programme on Geo Television, vociferously defended his party's politicking together with members of the leadership of the banned Sipah-e-Sahaba in the recent by-elections in Jhang. He was simply of the view that if such elements have the right to vote, why should the PML-N not bank on them? What the foulmouthed Rana and his bosses conveniently overlook is the fact that Sipah-e-Sihaba was declared a terrorist organisation and banned under the Anti-Terrorist Act legislated by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif himself in 1997. His claim that the PML-N by hobnobbing with such elements is bringing them into mainstream politics sounds hollow.

To claim that the problem lies not in southern Punjab but in North and South Waziristan where terrorists receive training is a travesty of truth. The cannon fodder, the militants, come from Punjab, and go on to receive training and indoctrination in Fata.

Not only are a large number of madressahs based in southern Punjab, but the origin of many jihadist organisations can be traced to the province. For example, Sipah-e-Sihaba, which is based in Jhang, was a reaction to the proxy war between Iran and the Gulf countries in the seventies and the eighties. Along with Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, it has become a mainstay of jihadist elements in Punjab.

The Tablighi Jamaat headed by Bhai Abdul Wahab is based in Raiwind on the outskirts of Lahore. Ostensibly non-militant, over the years it has become the largest congregation of jihadists from all over the world. VIPs like Prime Minister Mian Nawaz Sharif, followed by then-president Farooq Leghari, would regularly visit its "Salana Ijtamah" (annual congregation). Interestingly, according to Rana Sanaullah, the terrorists who attacked the Ahmedi worship places lodged themselves there.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=243222

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 05 Jun 2010 08:34

There is a saying that if you can't defeat your enemy, befriend him. This is particularly applicable to the tribal areas that border Afghanistan, where in six agencies the army is in the midst of an unprecedented military offensive against the militants. The cornerstone of security policy here is to attack militants close to Al Qaeda, but spare armed syndicates that protect Pakistan's flanks.

The turbulence in the border zone has led to Washington putting out ill-advised strategic leaks about a possible military intervention inside Pakistan's borders. North Waziristan, and what the Pakistan army is able to do there, seems to have become the litmus test for relations between Islamabad and Washington. After the Faisal Shehzad incident in Times Square, Washington's pressure has mounted on Islamabad to act against the Taliban operating out of North Waziristan.

After the United States' failure to build institutional structures in Afghanistan and install governance or central authority there, for Washington, the test of US-Nato ground offensives in the south and Loya Paktiya is now being linked to Pakistan's push on the Haqqani-led groups from North Waziristan. Despite a massive offensive in the Afghan town of Marjah, the expected Taliban reversals have not materialised.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=243224

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 05 Jun 2010 13:45

After Pakistan banned Facebook, did the Pakistanis in Britain and other countries shut down their own Facebook pages? Certainly not Miyan Musharraf!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jun 2010 14:20

Terror in Pakistan's Punjab Heartland
Ahmed Rashid

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 ... heartland/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jun 2010 16:33

From Such Gup - TFT

Callous indifference

The callous indifference with which Talented Bro’s government has treated the victims of the Ahmedi massacres is apparent. Not to be left behind, Bro’s younger son has also made his own disregard obvious. When a friend called to express his horror at the violence, Talented Bro’s younger son did not sympathize. Instead he said something to the effect of “yes, but they’re not Muslims”. How much further are we going to sink?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jun 2010 16:41

From NUGGETS - TFT

Paki picks pocket in Kaaba

According to daily Pakistan, a Pakistani was caught picking the pocket of an Indonesian woman during the performance of hajj at Kaaba. He clipped her pocket as she bent down to kiss the Sacred Stone (Hajr-e-Aswad). The man was sentenced to three years in jail and 1,200 lashes.

Fast bowler in ‘trubbel’

Reported in Jinnah famous Pakistani fast bowler Muhammad Asif found himself deeper in trouble after deposing in court that Veena Malik had presented fake cheques in his name after he had reported them stolen with the police. His trouble came when actress Veena Malik was able to present a video in which Asif was seen giving her the cheques worth more than a crore of rupees that later bounced.

The eye of Dajjal is everywhere!

Jihadi publication weekly Zarb-e-Momin had Mufti Abul Lababa Shah Mansur writing about mysterious signs that surround people in Pakistan and the world, especially threatening eyes and triangles and snakes. In Saudi Arabia – which will in time be conquered by the fedayeen (suicide-bombers) – medical stores or Saidalya carry the sign of a snake which was the symbol of Western threat. In Pakistan too medical stores carry the same symbol. Hold the British pound note against the light and ‘666’ (the number of Satan) will appear just like the eye on the US dollar. Music channel Aag has the same terrible fiery triangle. TV channel (har khabar par nazar) has the single eye of Dajjal. People are being familiarised with the symbol of Satan and Dajjal. {AoA}

Brig Ijaz flees the country

According to Jang former ISI officer, former IB chief and home secretary Punjab Brigadier (Retd) Ijaz Shah fled the country before the UN report on Benazir Bhutto could become public. He first went to the UAE and is now in London. Benazir mentioned him as her possible killer in her book. (Rumours say he is still in Lahore.)

Deceived by Gul and Beg?

Reported in Jang ex-ISI officers Khalid Khwaja and Sultan Ameer Tarar alias Col Imam were kidnapped in Waziristan after then they were sent there by ex-army chief Aslam Beg and ex-ISI chief Hameed Gul to make a film along with a UK-based journalist. In the video released by the Taliban they confessed that they were persuaded to go by Gul and Beg.

Why we did not win Kashmir

Speaking to Nawa-e-Waqt, Major (Retd) Ijaz Ahmad Khan said that in 1965 Bhutto had put together a Mujahid Force to be launched in Kashmir but unfortunately the Kashmiris were not prepared for it. Then during the 1965 war Pakistan thought India would not attack on the international border. When it did Pakistan had to forget Kashmir and defend Lahore. Mr Khan also said that Pakistanis had $120 billion abroad therefore Pakistan did not need any foreign assistance.

Liaquat Ali and his brother-in-law’s business

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt, buzurg Muslim leader Major (Retd) Ijaz Ahmad Khan said that the ceasefire declared in Kashmir in 1948 was the deed of Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan otherwise Kashmir would have been conquered by the Pakistan army. He said Liaquat Ali Khan went for ceasefire because he had to protect the timber businesses of his wife’s brother. When General Akbar and General Janjua protested on ceasefire, Liaquat Ali Khan trumped up a conspiracy case against them.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jun 2010 17:04

SSridhar wrote:From NUGGETS - TFT
Paki picks pocket in Kaaba
According to daily Pakistan, a Pakistani was caught picking the pocket of an Indonesian woman during the performance of hajj at Kaaba. He clipped her pocket as she bent down to kiss the Sacred Stone (Hajr-e-Aswad).

Something is out of whack in this story. I am trying very hard to picture this action of pick-pocketing in my mind and am having a difficult time. BRF-bhai logs, please help this sdre understand how this haraam act could have taken place in the center of the known (and unknown) universe.

So it seems (as reported per the high journalistic standards set by TFT) this abdul (agreeably a porki male) reached forward or brushed against and picked the rear pocket of an Indonesian female. Did he do an "al Groper" and find himself holding a small purse (or a wallet)? Does the hajj allow a co-ed situation where women and men freely mix? Why was a female performing hajj presumably in a pair of jeans or pants (when her rear pocket was picked)? And, who reported this (another abdul who was watching the rear end of that Indonesian female for other reasons? Was he punished for having illegitimate thoughts?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jun 2010 17:26

anupmisra wrote:Does the hajj allow a co-ed situation where women and men freely mix?

I don't know the answer for the other questions that an inquiring mind such as yours legitimately raises. I can answer the above one though. Yes, men & women are allowed to circumambulate the Kaaba and pray together. That is one of the rarest of rare occasions when gender mixing is tolerated even in a wahhabi/salafi Saudi Arabia.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jun 2010 17:38

From the TFT article on the final moments of ZAB's hanging:

Half an hour has passed since the hanging, and the jail doctor has issued the death certificate and the body is being bathed according to arrangements made on the spot. A photographer, who has been sent by an intelligence agency, takes some photographs of Mr. Bhutto’s private parts in order for the authorities to confirm whether Mr. Bhutto had been circumcised in the Islamic manner or not. The photographs confirm that he had been. His body is then placed in a wooden casket to be sent to Chaklala Airport.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Jun 2010 18:22

anupmisra wrote:So it seems (as reported per the high journalistic standards set by TFT) this abdul (agreeably a porki male) reached forward or brushed against and picked the rear pocket of an Indonesian female.

Bismilla,
You sound 400% pure! Are you suggesting that people do hajj in jeans or trousers hain ji?
Wimmen wear burquas. I am assuming burquas have a pocket or a side slit through where inner pockets can be accessed. Though people might carry bags along with them on the outside.
But then this is about a pakistanis' pakiness.
Although it is well known that there are a lot of crimes in the residential tent villages when people do hajj. There are regular riots between shia and sunni (Iranians vs the rest) and specially people seem to have a flourish of settling old scores in a somewhat violent manner there.

But attempting to pick some women's pocket during circumnavigating the holy kaaba itself is a new low even by paki standards.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 05 Jun 2010 19:28

SSridhar wrote:From NUGGETS - TFT
Paki picks pocket in Kaaba

According to daily Pakistan, a Pakistani was caught picking the pocket of an Indonesian woman during the performance of hajj at Kaaba. He clipped her pocket as she bent down to kiss the Sacred Stone (Hajr-e-Aswad). The man was sentenced to three years in jail and 1,200 lashes.

Is it possible to survive 1200 lashes ?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 05 Jun 2010 19:41

Right now (7.45 PM IST) I am watching a documentary on Discovery called 'Future Earth'. They are blaming dams being constructed by India for droughts in pukistan, claiming if India go on like this then by 2025 pakistan will turn into a dessert, sorry desert! They didnt stop here, they went on showing how pak air force F-22

would attack and destroy Indian dams!!!

Steven Spielberg, a jew, is producing these episodes.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 05 Jun 2010 19:44

Haraam Dogs looting poor Pakis

Islamabad, Jun.5 (ANI): Sniffer dogs are particularly used for detecting criminals, and explosives, and help people get out of trouble, but for 70-year-old Zahir Shah of Kalo Shah village in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's Mardan District, they proved to be a bit much of a 'costly' discomfort.

Shah was caught in a peculiar situation when sniffer dogs were brought by his neighbour to trace a dacoit that he claimed had entered his house.

While his neighbour blamed him for giving refuge to the dacoit, Shah denied his involvement in any sort of crime, but the issue was not resolved until the old man was forced to cough up a hefty amount.

The incident has left Shah so disgusted that he has demanded a complete ban on the use sniffer dogs to solve criminal cases

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 05 Jun 2010 20:05

abhijitm wrote:Right now (7.45 PM IST) I am watching a documentary on Discovery called 'Future Earth'. They are blaming dams being constructed by India for droughts in pukistan, claiming if India go on like this then by 2025 pakistan will turn into a dessert, sorry desert! They didnt stop here, they went on showing how pak air force F-22 would attack and destroy Indian dams!!!

Steven Spielberg, a jew, is producing these episodes.

Is this episode being telecast in India or massaland?