Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

[abhijitm]

Is this episode being telecast in India or massaland?

India.

[Aditya_V]

I watched it too and was appalled , especially the Fiziya bombing our dam and getting away with it. The programme as usual had the very creditable theory of Himalyan Glaciers trying up by 2035 though . so didnt know what to make of it.

Ithink the NDTV and Nat geo are under the same management, Discovery and CNN IBn in India are under the same management. SO they bring thier quality out here too

[svinayak]

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/04/09/futu ... ew-series/
Social engineering for a large population to change their political views
Eco terrorism and fear mongering



http://planetgreen.discovery.com/tech-t ... appen.html
Dams cause greenhouse gas emissions. According to a study done by the National Institute for Space Research, India's 4,500 dams (third highest behind the US and China) "emit an amount of methane that is equivalent to 850 million tons of carbon dioxide per year." It seems both carbon dioxide and methane are "released from the decaying vegetation of spillways, reservoirs and turbines of hydropower dams, but methane is twenty-three times more formidable in trapping heat than carbon dioxide."

[Prem]

From Such Gup - TFT

Callous indifference

The callous indifference with which Talented Bro’s government has treated the victims of the Ahmedi massacres is apparent. Not to be left behind, Bro’s younger son has also made his own disregard obvious. When a friend called to express his horror at the violence, Talented Bro’s younger son did not sympathize. Instead he said something to the effect of “yes, but they’re not Muslims”. How much further are we going to sink?

Why would this Qadiani be considering this "Callous Indifference" a sinking and not elevation of Paki soclety in religious, mental and social sense ? Qadianis are worst than kuffar , so they cant enjoy all the rights and previlages of special Islamic method of slaughtering reserved for Hanoods and Yahoods. The killeers must be awarded Nishan E Packistan tagma.

[biswas]

I watched it too and was appalled , especially the Fiziya bombing our dam and getting away with it. The programme as usual had the very creditable theory of Himalyan Glaciers trying up by 2035 though . so didnt know what to make of it.

Ithink the NDTV and Nat geo are under the same management, Discovery and CNN IBn in India are under the same management. SO they bring thier quality out here too

Available on the Internet?

[Aditya_V]

Dont Know, just saw it a couple of hours before on TV, why could not use a couple of ABdul's with Bumb's jumping of J-17 Baandaar I wonder and sucide bombing the Kaafir Dam.

[archan]

From Such Gup - TFT

Callous indifference

The callous indifference with which Talented Bro’s government has treated the victims of the Ahmedi massacres is apparent. Not to be left behind, Bro’s younger son has also made his own disregard obvious. When a friend called to express his horror at the violence, Talented Bro’s younger son did not sympathize. Instead he said something to the effect of “yes, but they’re not Muslims”. How much further are we going to sink?

And some pakis have the gall to talk about their imaginary "extreme atrocities" happening to Indian minorities. The paki awaam is got to be the most gullible, if not hypocrite qaum on the face of this earth.

[shiv]

Right now (7.45 PM IST) I am watching a documentary on Discovery called 'Future Earth'. They are blaming dams being constructed by India for droughts in pukistan, claiming if India go on like this then by 2025 pakistan will turn into a dessert, sorry desert! They didnt stop here, they went on showing how pak air force F-22 would attack and destroy Indian dams!!!

Steven Spielberg, a jew, is producing these episodes.

Destroy Dams? How? By using bouncing bombs? You know how difficult it is to do anything to a dam? Oh you can damage it - but breach it? Not as easy as Pakis getting F 22s.

But it was Discovery channel no? What else do you expect?

[Anujan]

The lady misses a few key points
1. Terrorism in Pakistan is a blowback -- of using terror as an instrument of state policy against other countries. Naxalism as far as India is concerned (a) is not a blowback (b) Is not being used as an instrument of state policy (c) Is not being exported

2. The question of acting brutally and decisively against the Naxals is moderated by whether we should kill our own citizens in a brutal manner, or use airpower inside our borders, or overcommit our army. The question of acting brutally and decisively against the terrorists is moderated by whether using them as a leverage against Afghanistan & India will be degraded. The former thinking has basis in morality and ethics, the latter thinking has its basis in fanaticism and barbarity.

3. Terrorism in Pakistan has a religious dimension, which harks back to the basis on which Pakistan was founded. In a way it is an existential question for Pakistan. Naxalism in India, even if we accept its legitimacy, is a developmental question.

4. The Naxal problem of India can be solved within the legal/constitutional framework of India and the essential character of India will remain the same.

Having said that, considering the equation specific to the point that both Naxals and Pak-based terrorists are made of protons and electrons, yes they are the same in this aspect.

^^ please post the above in response to her article so she can read it and mayyyyyyyyyyyyyybe "get it".

I wrote a very courteous reply based on the previous post. My idea was not to hyperventilate but to politely point out the fallacies of doing equal equal on everything and get my point across.

My comments were not published.

[sanjaykumar]

I ain't sayin', I'm just cuttin' and pastin'.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -560-sk-13

[Aditya_V]

Shiv-> In the discovery Channel vedeo in 2025, Paki F-22 using missiles resembling AGM-65's blow up the Kaafir Dam, what else can pagans build eh?

[sanjaykumar]

Lal Qila Masjid redux-another minority cogitates on the meaning of Pakistan.

http://www.chowk.com/articles/lahore-at ... a-kark.htm

[Chandragupta]

Aditya ji, what was the title of the documentary?

[jrjrao]

From Richmond, Va.:

A Direct Threat to American Safety
by
QASIM RASHID

Since these blasphemy laws passed in 1974 and 1984, Pakistan has seen consistent increases in terrorism and intolerance. Pakistan's future depends on revoking these laws, as does America's safety. Why America's safety? Consider momentarily that Faisal Shahzad, the failed Times Square bomber, was no accident. Shahzad, and those like him, were not born as murderous terrorists. They were taught to be terrorists. The Taliban is not their teacher, but their employer. Their true teacher was and is the government of Pakistan, whose state-sanctioned persecution of its own citizens empowers the likes of the Taliban.

A terrorist grown in Pakistan is still a terrorist when in America. The only difference between May 28 in Lahore and May 1 in Times Square is that, unlike Pakistan, America does not sanction terrorism.

[Prem]

Obama Is Secretly Deploying Elite U.S. Forces to Countries Across the Globe
Teams working for the Joint Special Operations Command have been deployed to Iran, Georgia, Ukraine, Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador, Peru, Yemen, Pakistan, and the Philippines.

http://www.alternet.org/world/147104/ob ... n=alternet

The expansion of special forces includes both traditional special forces, often used in training missions, and those known for carrying out covert and lethal, "direct actions." The Nation has learned from well-placed special operations sources that among the countries where elite special forces teams working for the Joint Special Operations Command have been deployed under the Obama administration are: Iran, Georgia, Ukraine, Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador, Peru, Yemen, Pakistan (including in Balochistan) and the Philippines. These teams have also at times deployed in Turkey, Belgium, France and Spain. JSOC has also supported U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency operations in Colombia and Mexico. The frontline for these forces at the moment, sources say, are Yemen and Somalia. "In both those places, there are ongoing unilateral actions," said a special operations source. "JSOC does a lot in Pakistan too." Additionally, these U.S. special forces at times work alongside other nations' special operations forces in conducting missions in their home countries. A U.S. special operations source described one such action where U.S. forces teamed up with Georgian forces hunting Chechen rebels.

[Gagan]

The US must be close to capturing OBL. This deployment of special forces if true, would seem to be a prophylactic measure to take out any adverse reaction following a slam dunk on the terrorists.

The next few months might be special.

I wonder what the situation in la la land will be like if say OBL is captured / killed? Pakis will be on the streets killing and maiming and burning each other, pure vs highly pure. Jihadis vs civilians vs pak fauj. like fire on a powder keg.

Ombaba needs something big for the midterms, and then the landslide in the re-election.

The shit might hit the fan.

[svinayak]

The US must be close to capturing OBL. This deployment of special forces if true, would seem to be a prophylactic measure to take out any adverse reaction following a slam dunk on the terrorists.

The next few months might be special.
The shit might hit the fan.

How can they deploy in Iran.
This may be to retaliate against any attack on homeland. Also a deterrence against future attack

[archan]

^^ please post the above in response to her article so she can read it and mayyyyyyyyyyyyyybe "get it".

I wrote a very courteous reply based on the previous post. My idea was not to hyperventilate but to politely point out the fallacies of doing equal equal on everything and get my point across.

My comments were not published.

No surprise there. However, such is a jingo's heart, we keep sending in the comments and exposing the chor in their hearts.

[Brad Goodman]

I watched it too and was appalled , especially the Fiziya bombing our dam and getting away with it. The programme as usual had the very creditable theory of Himalyan Glaciers trying up by 2035 though . so didnt know what to make of it.

Ithink the NDTV and Nat geo are under the same management, Discovery and CNN IBn in India are under the same management. SO they bring thier quality out here too

Isn't bombing of dam's a international war crime? So for one second we agree that pakis get F22 ( now how will tallel than mountan friends JF 17 bandar fitted with dongfang engine react to this news) now if pakis burst the dams in kashmir all the deluge will flow into margala & basha (assuming it is completed by then) which would add pressure on these dams so if they do not burst naturally we will have IAF helping with the last push so eventaully all the water will drain from pakjab to sindh and finally into sindhu sagar. Then pakis will be left with zero storage since there will be no dams left in pukistan

[archan]

Pakis need fanciful stories in order to feel strong. With the way their nation is getting flushed down the pakistan, you can't blame them for indulging in a little storytelling now, can you?

[Prem]

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=243359

Income and expenses
Dr Farrukh Saleem
The government of Pakistan says that its income will stand at around Rs2.3 trillion and that it already has plans to spend Rs3 trillion. Wow; a deficit of more than Rs700 billion - with bated breath our government offers wicked vows. To bridge that gap we must, therefore, beg, borrow or steal Rs2 billion a day every single day for the rest of the year. Remember, ‘he who borrows sells his freedom’.
Nothing, they say, is certain but death and taxes. I always wanted to marry for money and then I was told I could borrow it cheaper. Ready to borrow always; who readily borrows, readily lies. So we begin our fiscal year begging, borrowing and stealing. Bad beginnings, bad endings.P.S. PM’s entourage in Brussels: Hotel 60,000 euros; Limousines 120,000 euros; Dinner 25,000 euros. Total Rs20 million of borrowed money already spent.

Gareeb Groper Mr. Magoo , is going gungho on Zakat money . Note that Paki Govt income is onlee 28 Billion and whole Budget 34 Billion. Hi Pak Lurker ,choose a Indoo from Mittal.Ambani or Singh as Qibla for the whole day prayer and one of them will write you a check. Your whole damn country dont have to work for whole year and get play Musharraf and Pakistan play.

[Rudradev]

Right now (7.45 PM IST) I am watching a documentary on Discovery called 'Future Earth'. They are blaming dams being constructed by India for droughts in pukistan, claiming if India go on like this then by 2025 pakistan will turn into a dessert, sorry desert! They didnt stop here, they went on showing how pak air force F-22 would attack and destroy Indian dams!!!

Steven Spielberg, a jew, is producing these episodes.

You can bet Steven Spielberg is aware of the content of any program he is producing... especially an expensively-produced CGI segment showing Pakistani jets attacking and destroying Indian dams. If that was shown, he knew it was being shown, and approved the budgetary $$$ to include it in this episode.

We should also note, for all the Yehudi-Hindoo-bhai-bhai we have on this forum, the role of Spielberg in making one of the most blatantly, venomously anti-Hindu feature films of all time: "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom."

Apparently this apostle of tolerance who directed "Schindler's List" doesn't feel that tolerance should equally flow from the Jews towards other cultures or religions, specifically Hinduism or India. Scumbag.

[shiv]

Isn't bombing of dam's a international war crime? So for one second we agree that pakis get F22

Your post sparked off some thoughts in my mind about the way "power" is used in a geopolitical sense.

If I am powerful, I make rules that basically say that what I don't like is illegal, and what I like is legal.

Because of this you find that attacking dams is "illegal" but supplying F 22s to Pakistan s legal.

The Geneva convention, MTCR, NPT, CTBT are all "laws' that implement a one sided interpretation of right and wrong. Why am I cursing the so called "humane" Geneva convention. For the same reason that the Geneva convention does not rule against giving F 22s to Pakistan. It's the same set of skewed rules set by the current civilization in power.

[Prem]

15 percent less allocation for power sector in budget 2010-11
ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet has approved Rs 118.343 billion, including a foreign exchange component (FEC) of Rs 6.103 billion, in the Budget 2010-11 for the power sector under the Public Sector Development Programme (PSDP).
This year’s allocation is 15 percent less than the outgoing year’s, with Rs 114.603 billion earmarked for 68 ongoing projects under the supervision of the Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA) and the Pakistan Electric Power Company (PEPCO).Eight new schemes will be launched in 2010-11 under the PSDP and the allocation for these projects is Rs 3.740 billion.For the 18 hydel power projects being undertaken by WAPDA, the government has allocated Rs 41.463 billion in the development budget 2010-11. The allocation will have an FEC of Rs 2.903

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg1_8

Zakatland Already laying ground for more Zakat from Kuffar.

[Prem]

Can Pakistan cope with terrorism?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2

The political discourse focused on the rights of non-Muslims in an Islamic state or the guarantees offered by Islam to religious minorities. The discussions spoke of “we, the Muslims” versus “they, the non-Muslims”, as if the Ahmedis were lesser human beings. Only a small number of people discussed the problem in the context of a nation-state and its citizens. Unlike the orthodox religious hierarchy, they argued that it is the state’s basic responsibility to protect all citizens, irrespective of their religion, sect, caste and region.The orthodox Islamic clergy was perturbed by the media’s sympathy for the Ahmedi victims of the terrorist attack. They quickly returned to their anti-Ahmediyya community tirade to remind the people of their “anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam” disposition. Some attributed the attack to what they described as an intra-Ahmediyya conflict and that the Taliban could not be involved because no Muslim could ever launch such an action against a religious minority as Islam does not allow that.
An orthodox Islamic leader in a village near Lahore declared that the people who took part in the burial ceremony of any Ahmedi killed in the attack must renew their pledge of loyalty to Islam with a need to repeat the Islamic ritual of nikah for the continued Islamic legitimacy of their marriage (Mulla dreaming windfall of divorced ayeshas) mi. An Urdu columnist declared that he was a true Muslim and believed in the finality of the Prophet (PBUH) before condemning the attacks. He argued, like many others, that Islam enjoins Muslims to protect life, property and honour as well as places of worship.The situation was further complicated by the statement of the Commissioner of Lahore who said that India’s intelligence agency, RAW, could have been involved in the incident. This theme was repeated by others in the PML-N and outside. The interior minister also hinted about the role of foreign adversaries. A good number of writers and religious leaders argued that some foreign enemies had launched this attack in order to divert the attention of Muslims from the caricature issue

[ajit_tr]

Why Pakistan is not a nation

Pakistan has been a state since 1947, but is still not a nation. More precisely, Pakistan is the name of a land and a people inside a certain geographical boundary that is still lacking the crucial components needed for nationhood: a strong common identity, mental make-up, a shared sense of history and common goals. The failure so far to create a cohesive national entity flows from inequalities of wealth and opportunity, absence of effective democracy and a dysfunctional legal system.

While it is true that most Punjabis think of themselves as Pakistani first and Punjabi second, this is not the case with the Baloch or Sindhis. Schools in Balochistan refuse to hoist Pakistan’s flag or sing its national anthem. Sindhis, meanwhile, accuse Punjabis of stealing their water, the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) runs Karachi on strictly ethnic grounds, and in April the Pashtun of NWFP successfully had the province officially renamed Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (against the wishes of other residents). In getting a job, caste and sect matters more than ability, and ethnic student groups wage pitched battles against each other on campuses throughout the country.

The lack of nationhood can be traced to the genesis of Pakistan and the single factor that drove it – religious identity. Carved out of Hindu-majority India, Pakistan was the culmination of the competition and conflict between natives who had converted to Islam and those who had not. Converts often identified with Arab invaders of the last millennium. Shah Waliullah (1703-62), a ‘purifier’ of Islam on the Subcontinent who despised local traditions, famously declared ‘We [Hindustanis] are an Arab people whose fathers have fallen in exile in the country of Hindustan, and Arabic genealogy and the Arabic language are our pride.’

[sanjaykumar]

Maybe Spielberg just isn't very bright-his Indiana Jones serials certainly are moronic enough. Of course they play very well in those towns without colleges, or good high schools.

[arun]

One thing to be said for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, they have worked themselves into such a position of indispensability that occasional acts of tweaking America’s cojones does not carry even the smallest threat of the likelyhood that the US will turn off the aid spigot which has delivered over 20 Billion Dollars in grants.

This is apparently the third instance of harassment, in as many days, that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has handed out to US Embassy personnel based there:

Police seize arms & equip of US Embassy

[Rangudu]

Slightly OT question - Did anyone know that writer/expert Ahmed Rashid is a cousin of TSP diplomat of Ashraf Jehangir Qazi and former ISI DG Javed Ashraf Qazi?

[shiv]

Why Pakistan is not a nation

Interesting. Hoodbhoy has succinctly summarized things that I wrote in my ebook and has gone beyond that in some ways. He may or may not have read my work, but it is gratifying to see the thought that was seeded spreading

[Gagan]

Yes, the temple of doom was vitriolically anti-indian by some one who would jump out of his chair at the mere mention of anti-semitism.

[Amber G.]

Does the hajj allow a co-ed situation where women and men freely mix?

..... Yes, men & women are allowed to circumambulate the Kaaba and pray together. .....

May be slightly OT but Michael Wolf book Hajj tells this and some more straight (and some amusing) facts (without too much religious color). (MW converted to perform Hajj to see it for himself and wrote a book).... It talks about him meeting certain "wahabis" who were nasty, and harassing/threatening a family ( telling them women have no place to be there) and they (the nasty ones) were finally stopped by the Saudi police.

[SSridhar]

Slightly OT question - Did anyone know that writer/expert Ahmed Rashid is a cousin of TSP diplomat of Ashraf Jehangir Qazi and former ISI DG Javed Ashraf Qazi?

Wow! The connections in TSP land go deep and wide.

[Paul]

Jehangir Ashraf Qazi is half irish. Per wiki they are Hazara, so must be Shia but not Pakhtun. They are originally from Baluchistan which has a large Hazara population.

[Paul]

Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan?
I have asked this question before? what piece of real estate of Pakistan is of utmost importance to the west?

Based on my earlier post on the pre 1947 British proposal to retain Balochistan as they withdraw from the Subcontinent (Pakistan was not a done deal then) I think it is possible that the west will retain assets in Balochistan even if they see Pakistan disintegrating.

[shiv]

Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan?
I have asked this question before? what piece of real estate of Pakistan is of utmost importance to the west?

Based on my earlier post on the pre 1947 British proposal to retain Balochistan as they withdraw from the Subcontinent (Pakistan was not a done deal then) I think it is possible that the west will retain assets in Balochistan even if they see Pakistan disintegrating.

Should be happy news for our tarrest and deepest fliends acloss the boldel.

[Rangudu]

Someone told me Ahmed Rashid too has a Latina wife, maybe even Spanish.

[SSridhar]

Why Pakistan is not a nation

It did not help that Jinnah died in 1948, just a year after Pakistan was born, with his plans still ambiguously stated. He authored no books and wrote no policy paper. He did make many speeches, of which several were driven by political expediency and are frankly contradictory. These are freely cherry-picked today, with some finding in them a liberal and secular voice; others, an embodiment of Islamic values. The confusion is irresolvable.

As Shiv said, Hoodbhoy has written very well indeed. I will post separately on why Punjabis think of themselves as Pakistanis while the Sindhis and Balochs do not. I am also seeing more and more critical analysis of Jinnah like what Hoodbhoy has stated above; or, this one on why Pakistan should not blame the West; or, this letter by a kafir in today's DT.

But, Hoodbhoy is accurate. Jinnah used Islam for his expediency. He made adjustments and accommodations with the Islamists assuring them that the laws of the land would comply with Shariat. He also spoke, at times, of all faiths being accorded equality in his Pakistan. Classic Taqiya while Jinnah might not have known that Arabic word in the Islamic context. Had Jinnah been alive today, the 'more pious' would have eliminated him first because he certainly was not pious at all.

"What has happened is, indeed, a great personal triumph for Mr. Jinnah. Within seven years after the Lahore Pakistan resolution of 1940, he has succeeded in defeating a great political organisation of sixty years' standing with the backing of the large majority of the Indian people. But has he succeeded in doing good to the Muslims themselves and to his country? When the whole world is trying to integrate, it is no service to India to disintegrate the country. India divided and speaking with two voices cannot pull her proper weight in the councils of the nations. But, above all, the division of India has laid the foundations of interminable quarrels and chaos which will bring untold suffering to generations yet unborn."

--Chimanlal Setalvad

[SSridhar]

Rangudu, done.

[shiv]

I am also seeing more and more critical analysis of Jinnah like what Hoodbhoy has stated above; or, this one on why Pakistan should not blame the West; or, this letter by a kafir in today's DT.

Nice letter kafir.

Did you notice something funny in the wording of the objectives resolution?

Sovereignty belongs to Allah alone but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.

The resolution says that Allah has delegated to Pakistan <snip> a sacred trust

I love the presumptuousness of that statement. Everything that is anything in Islam resides in the Quran and Hadiths.

Now show me where it says in any Islamic texts that Allah has delegated anything to Pakistan? Starting from their goddam constitution these buffoons have assumed that they own Allah. I would be glad to see Allah owning them now.