Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2010 11:51

What's wrong with MMS saying that he and his government will meet the Pakistanis more than half way?

Everyone including the chaprasi at PMO knows what the Pakistanis are doing. India meeting them more than half way in what they are doing is to be expected.

I wonder if this line will become the new mantra (along with we will not be cowed down by attacks, and our silence should not be mistaken for our weakness).

These all mean that the bad ass assets of the gobernment are about to be unleashed.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 17 Jun 2010 13:52

Rangudu wrote:

Kayani is in China for military talks. This plus the terror alerts at our airports may indicate something serious. IIRC, Kayani was in China and Saudi before 26/11 as well.

maybe due to hunza lake stuff...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Jun 2010 13:56

Pak to seek firming up of CBMs with India during talks

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 465192.ece

There are indications that the Pakistani side could ask for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and the release of political prisoners to improve the ground situation in Jammu and Kashmir when Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir meets his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2010 14:04

And on cue, the pro pakistan hurriyat conference guys have been taking a march to the UN office in Srinagar. Surprising that pakistan pre announces that political prisoners should be released. Those hurried rats have since been detained by the police.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 17 Jun 2010 14:17

Why Pakistan's Ahmadi community is officially detested

In the 1980s, the former chief minister of Punjab and current federal minister didn't attend his own mother's funeral because there were rumours that she was an Ahmadi.

Land of pure onlee. Mother less pious than son

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jun 2010 15:02

jagga wrote:Why Pakistan's Ahmadi community is officially detested
In the 1980s, the former chief minister of Punjab and current federal minister didn't attend his own mother's funeral because there were rumours that she was an Ahmadi.

That is Manzoor Watoo, currently advisor to the PM with the rank of a federal minister.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2010 16:10

^^^ Sridhar,

IIRC, on the basis that he is the only ex Punjab CM who happens to currently be a Federal Minister, Manzoor Watoo is a logical candidate.

It truly boggles the mind that a son fails to attend his mothers funeral simply for the reason that they adhered to different sects of Islam

.

Would you by any chance have anything turdier on this bit of infamy by way of a weblink?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jun 2010 16:20

An interesting article. Assumes RAPE is liberal, though.
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... onsibility

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jun 2010 16:45

A_Gupta wrote:An interesting article. Assumes RAPE is liberal, though.
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... onsibility

I find the idea 'RAPE is liberal' quite amusing.

It would be a good exercise, to work on a long multiple-choice based questionnaire about topics dealing with Islam; Sharia; Pakistan; Pakistaniyat; opinion on women, Hindus, Christians, Jews, USA; Victimhood, Superiority, Entitlement, Condoning of past actions of the Muslim 'conquerors', ityadi. The questions could additionally have qualifiers for how strongly they believe in something.

Such questionnaires can be used by international opinion research institutes and in fact by everybody to measure the level of fascism in Pakistanis and their ilk.

It could give the WKK-types some eye-opening shock therapy, how far removed from reality they are, and that there are no liberals and moderates in Pakistan!

The problem right now, is that nobody really asks the Pakis the right questions to get a measure of how 'Talibanized' their society already is. In fact, the powers that be, would be interested in keeping this truth under wraps, so that they can continue their policies of appeasement and ass-kissing.

Perhaps the gurus here, who have a good handle on Islam, Subcontinental History, Pakistani Piskology might like the challenge!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Jun 2010 16:50

Pak to seek firming up of CBMs with India during talks

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 465192.ece

Quote:
There are indications that the Pakistani side could ask for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and the release of political prisoners to improve the ground situation in Jammu and Kashmir when Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir meets his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao.

Look how the Gaul of these guys, we Should insist that all Pakis get out of Northern Areas and we shoudl administer them, that would also be a good CBM.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 17 Jun 2010 17:48

jagga wrote:
In the 1980s, the former chief minister of Punjab and current federal minister didn't attend his own mother's funeral because there were rumours that she was an Ahmadi.

I cant believe this. Usually for Pakbarian animals who can talaq at the drop of a skull cap, it is the father that is a rumour and mother a fact. Now it seems the other way around...

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 17 Jun 2010 18:13

Gagan wrote: Any guesses what that might be?

What else but the punching bag.

It has been a long time since 26/11 and the "small" pune "incident" is already out of mind of our media, public and politicians.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 17 Jun 2010 18:17

Gagan wrote:The US is finally asking the Pakistani army to take out the Quetta Shura and the Haqqani Group

Any credible source?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2010 19:31

Aditya_V wrote:
Look how the Gaul of these guys, .

Relax. No need to look at their gall. Look at the stupidity of the report. How does "The Hindu" know what they will ask? The may ask to sleep with his wife for all they know.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2010 19:57

No credible source.

But info in the western media appearing all of a sudden, and added to that the US releasing plans of unilateral strikes inside pakistan should a 'successful attack be traced back to pakistan' seem to suggest that the two (of the three) main groups active in Af-Pak - The Quetta shura and the Haqqani group, might be on active hit lists of the US now.

Although there is also talk of giving the good taliban a role in a future afghan government, I suspect that the bad boys in the good taliban might meet their 72s.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jun 2010 20:23

Pak to seek firming up of CBMs with India during talks

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 465192.ece

Quote:
There are indications that the Pakistani side could ask for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and the release of political prisoners to improve the ground situation in Jammu and Kashmir when Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir meets his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao.

They already know what India is promising in the 'borders are irrelavant' scheme and are making demands to claim tactical victory in the talks.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jun 2010 20:51

Pak to seek firming up of CBMs with India during talks

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 465192.ece

Quote:
There are indications that the Pakistani side could ask for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and the release of political prisoners to improve the ground situation in Jammu and Kashmir when Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir meets his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao.

TSP is setting the terms of the slow motion surrender. Even at this stage, I doubt MMS will show some spine. He should say anything like that only when LET is completely dismantled. Instead, he will go more than halway (his own words).

One doesn't have to have a BR IQ to see what TSP's game plan is: to wither away Indian army's role, and flood the valley with LET-type Pakijabis. So they have the guns, and of course APHC will be provide the loudspeakers.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 17 Jun 2010 21:01

CRamS wrote:
Pak to seek firming up of CBMs with India during talks

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 465192.ece

Quote:
There are indications that the Pakistani side could ask for the withdrawal of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and the release of political prisoners to improve the ground situation in Jammu and Kashmir when Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir meets his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao.

TSP is setting the terms of the slow motion surrender. Even at this stage, I doubt MMS will show some spine. He should say anything like that only when LET is completely dismantled. Instead, he will go more than halway (his own words).

One doesn't have to have a BR IQ to see what TSP's game plan is: to wither away Indian army's role, and flood the valley with LET-type Pakijabis. So they have the guns, and of course APHC will be provide the loudspeakers.

Relax Kashmir is not going anywhere. Entire Punjab and Haryana will be up in arms if the river is given to them. MMS doesn't have that much power. He is a puppet PM.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Jun 2010 21:19

Land of the impure

Don’t blame the army for all Pakistan’s problems. Just most of them

Jun 17th 2010

THREE score years and a bit after its founding, Pakistan—which means land of the pure—still struggles to look like a nation. Economically backward, politically stunted and terrorised by religious extremists, it would be enough to make anyone nervous, even if it did not have nuclear weapons. For these shortcomings, most of the blame should be laid at the door of the army, which claims, more than any other institution, to embody nationhood. Grossly unfair? If the army stood before one of its own tribunals, the charge sheet would surely run as follows:

One, a taste for military adventurism on its “eastern front” against giant India, which has undermined security, not enhanced it. ………………….

Two, endangering the state’s existence by making common cause with jihadism. …………………..

Three, the armed forces have undermined democratic institutions. ………………

The costs go beyond any democratic deficit. Pakistan’s economic and social development have also been stunted, as the army has sucked up resources and thwarted growth. …………………

The Economist

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jun 2010 21:31

satyam wrote: Relax Kashmir is not going anywhere. Entire Punjab and Haryana will be up in arms if the river is given to them. MMS doesn't have that much power. He is a puppet PM.

The question is whose puppet?

Its best not to underestimate the power of the nostalgic pappi jappi. The pakjabis certainly know how to lay it on thick where it counts.

This silly idea of soft borders and irrelevant borders will be the beginning of a very quick end.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2010 21:34

V_Raman wrote:
Rangudu wrote:

Kayani is in China for military talks. This plus the terror alerts at our airports may indicate something serious. IIRC, Kayani was in China and Saudi before 26/11 as well.
maybe due to hunza lake stuff...

There was article few days ago which mentioned that PA get nervous if the groundlink with PAL is not operational. They rely on China to save them in war time.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2010 21:35

The real problem is that borders are relevant now. Pakis have to think before they head to the border and that does not come easy.

How exactly to make the border irrelevant? Saying it will not make it irrelevant. So what is the magic that would make the border irrelevant? And I just wonder if Pakis like the idea of making the border irrelevant?

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 17 Jun 2010 21:44

shiv wrote:The real problem is that borders are relevant now. Pakis have to think before they head to the border and that does not come easy.

How exactly to make the border irrelevant? Saying it will not make it irrelevant. So what is the magic that would make the border irrelevant? And I just wonder if Pakis like the idea of making the border irrelevant?

Why only kashmir border ? Entire Indo-pak border should be made irrelevant.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 17 Jun 2010 21:46

Prem wrote:There was article few days ago wheich mentioned that PA get nervous if the groundlink with PAL is not operational. They rely on China to save them in war time.

What article? Link? Thanks

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2010 22:18

Rangudu wrote:
Prem wrote:There was article few days ago wheich mentioned that PA get nervous if the groundlink with PAL is not operational. They rely on China to save them in war time.
What article? Link? Thanks

I Posted it few days ago in this Thread, let me try to find out. What caught my eyes was the use of word "nervous" as seems like folks watching the situation wanted to convey the proper message. After few days , the news came that IA is studying the security impact of artifical lake.

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 17 Jun 2010 22:29

A_Gupta wrote:An interesting article. Assumes RAPE is liberal, though.
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... onsibility

Notwithstanding Shiv's comment that I sound like a Paki RAPE apologist (truly a biting criticism, I seriously felt chastised), I will venture to add my thoughts on this.

Paki would-be liberal elites love to posture as cosmopolitan, peace-loving worldly types. They draw on historic examples of Islamic tolerance such as Akbar or the Ottomans who welcomed the Jews expelled from Spain, and talk about how multiculturalism was such a big part of Islamic history - and by extension Pakistani 'history', naturally.

I have encountered many examples of such would-be liberal elites among my Paki friends and acquaintances in the US.

The problem for them is that a tolerant, cosmopolitan, pluralistic, politically secular liberal Pakistani is indistinguishable from a liberal North Indian. What then distinguishes a Paki liberal from an Indian? Might as well erase the distinction, but then this raises bigger questions that BRFites have discussed at length, i.e. if you are going to create a liberal, tolerant, secular (in the sense of separation of religion from state) Pakistani state, what was the point of Partition and Pakistan? The creation of such a state in India was in any case the stated goal of the Congress; why carve out a country, causing millions of deaths and massive upheaval, only to embark on the exact same venture right next door? Pointless.

A liberal Pakistan undermines the raison d'etre of Pakistan, a Catch-22 that their Quaid no doubt recognized with his 'brilliant legal mind' at the time. I must confess to grim enjoyment at the identity crisis that this misbegotten nation will forever endure thanks to the machinations of a few confused Indian Muslim fanatics.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 17 Jun 2010 22:35

Tariq mentions at 2:53 about black september 1970 when Brigadier Zia-ul-haq went on rampage killings of Palestinians.I came across this video on youtube.can some brfite guru on pakistan shed some light on black september 1970 operation by then brigadier zia in Palestine in which 1000 of palestinians were killed..i'm searching for detailed link on google but couldn't find any info about this.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 17 Jun 2010 22:42

Kamboja wrote:
Paki would-be liberal elites love to posture as cosmopolitan, peace-loving worldly types. They draw on historic examples of Islamic tolerance such as Akbar or the Ottomans who welcomed the Jews expelled from Spain, and talk about how multiculturalism was such a big part of Islamic history - and by extension Pakistani 'history', naturally. I have encountered many examples of such would-be liberal elites among my Paki friends and acquaintances in the US.
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A liberal Pakistan undermines the raison d'etre of Pakistan, a Catch-22 that their Quaid no doubt recognized with his 'brilliant legal mind' at the time. I must confess to grim enjoyment at the identity crisis that this misbegotten nation will forever endure thanks to the machinations of a few confused Indian Muslim fanatics.

Depends what "liberal" means...liberal I believe implies that they are less Islamic because they see Islam as backwards. Despite defining themselves as an Islamic state, none of them would actually want to live under a truly Islamic regime showing some degree of alienation. At the same time because they are Islamic and TFTA they are superior to SDREs. "We are different from Hindus, because we are Islamic, but we are really secular Muslims".

I think it is a combination of: revulsion of Hindus, sense of racial superiority, and alienation from Islam.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 17 Jun 2010 22:53

China seeks Pak help to deal with separatists on border

China too...

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 17 Jun 2010 23:02

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

On September 15, King Hussein declared martial law. The next day, Jordanian tanks (the 60th Armored Brigade of the Jordanian Army) attacked the headquarters of Palestinian organizations in Amman; the army also attacked camps in Irbid, Salt, Sweileh, Baq'aa, Wehdat and Zarqa. Then the head of Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan), took command of the 2nd division.[12][13] However the Jordanians could not devote all their attention to the Palestinians.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jun 2010 23:05

Kamboja:

Lets cut through the chase. I'll lay it out for you in shudh lay man's lingo; no need of any pedantic piskology:

Paki: A terrorist unless proves otherwise
Extremist Paki: A Paki who hates whites and SDREs alike; a terrorist to everyonw
Liberal Paki: A Paki who has revulsion, sense of superiority, at the mere mention of Hindu: a.k.a RAPE; only those who terrorize Indians.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 17 Jun 2010 23:15

Anurag wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan

On September 15, King Hussein declared martial law. The next day, Jordanian tanks (the 60th Armored Brigade of the Jordanian Army) attacked the headquarters of Palestinian organizations in Amman; the army also attacked camps in Irbid, Salt, Sweileh, Baq'aa, Wehdat and Zarqa. Then the head of Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan), took command of the 2nd division.[12][13] However the Jordanians could not devote all their attention to the Palestinians.

thanks anurag but what i'm looking for is articles exclusively detailing zia's role in rampage killing of palestinians.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 17 Jun 2010 23:23

ajit_tr wrote:...can some brfite guru on pakistan shed some light on black september 1970 operation by then brigadier zia in Palestine in which 1000 of palestinians were killed..i'm searching for detailed link on google but couldn't find any info about this.

Try this link : http://letusbuildpakistan.blogspot.com/ ... ts-of.html

Another link : http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue4/jv6n4a2.html

P. R. Kumaraswamy Beyond the Veil: Israel-Pakistan Relations

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Jun 2010 23:25

CRamS wrote:Kamboja:

Lets cut through the chase. I'll lay it out for you in shudh lay man's lingo; no need of any pedantic piskology:

Paki: A terrorist unless proves otherwise
Extremist Paki: A Paki who hates whites and SDREs alike; a terrorist to everyonw
Liberal Paki: A Paki who has revulsion, sense of superiority, at the mere mention of Hindu: a.k.a RAPE; only those who terrorize Indians.

There is more to it.

The "Liberal" Pakis are not merely defined by sense of superiority and revulsion against Hindus; they are defined by the idea that it is their destiny to RULE OVER Hindus and an entire dhimmified subcontinent. This is not an extremist Islamist idea at all... it is the core motivation of the RAPE to claim their supposed inheritance of the Mughal legacy.

Thus far the "Liberal" Pakis overcame their aversion to radical Islam, because of the belief that the unwashed Islamic extremists would be their military vanguard in re-establishing that Mughal legacy. Since the "tribal" Lashkar invasions of J&K in 1947 this has been the case, and since Zia's day it has been reinforced steadily.

This is very important to realize. When Hafeez Sayeed and co. make speeches about flying the Paki flag on the Red Fort, they aren't speaking only to their own yahoo followers. They are speaking to the RAPE who are their lifelines for funding and their masks/shields against international retribution. They are making the RAPE a promise of what they will achieve in return, if they are given more support and more of a free hand, and protected from India/the US etc. The Islamist yahoos themselves may despise the whisky-drinking habits of the RAPE, as much as the RAPE despises the deep-water shari'a of the Taliban... but the goal of subjugating India is what keeps them together, and the key to their symbiosis.

Today the thinking in New Delhi is that the primary internal conflict within the "Liberal" Paki RAPE (i.e. aversion to hardcore Islam for themselves, vs. fondness and pride in the Islamist extremists who will win back the Mughal legacy for them)... has undergone a "sea change." Until ca. 2006 (or so Delhi believes), the pro-lashkar sentiment was far in excess of the aversion to Islam.

Today, because of all the headchopping and soosai bumming that has gone on in Pakistan, "Liberal" Paki RAPE are unable to reconcile these two imperatives; they are growing even more averse to the Islamist extremists who were going to win back their Mughal kingdom, than they are attached to their dreams of Mughal legacy or their revulsion against Hinduism.

Therefore, they must be given pi$$ talks, irrelevant borders, river water, Sir Creek, Siachen and other things to soften their attitudes towards India and harden their attitudes against the extremists... let them feel that they are gaining Mughal privileges over Indian territory without the need for those IED-mubarak Islamist rabble who make them uncomfortable.

In effect, New Delhi is engaged in pre-emptive surrender to RAPE demands, believing that this will alienate RAPE from the Islamist lashkars whom they have thus far used to pursue such demands.

Of course the thinking in New Delhi couldn't be more wrong. Even if the "Liberal" RAPE were actually liberal... which they ARE NOT... and even if they could potentially be made pro-India... which they CANNOT... supporting them against the rising tide of the Lashkars is as colossally stupid as the US supporting the Shah of Iran, because they are doomed.

But some clever RAPEs like Najam Sethi have realized how the wind is blowing in New Delhi and are busy putting on a conciliatory public image that fits right in with the delusion of "RAPE is now more anti-Islamist than anti-Hindu." Despite the very reasonable-sounding interviews of his that we are seeing on Youtube these days, let us remember there was a good reason why we used to call this guy Jihad Sethi. A hyena never changes its spoor.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2010 23:55

Dumbo Paki go sleeping everynight imagining ,hoping ,wishing the kuffar bloody death as mentioned above . This is why i say , when Indians get to clean the both mental and physical Jihadi filth, it will most probably unravel Islam not only from the indian Subcontinnet but also from Persia , CAR etc. Let both Paki and wanna be Paki take chance and provide the oppertunity. Dream of Inbred retards can go onlee that far in reality. Liberal Islami or lietral Islami , cured with treatment of Salami.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Jun 2010 00:03

The RAPEs are getting their goose cooked since when? Lal Masjid circa 2007?

Before that, intermittently, there always used to be some bombing or other in Baluchistan, some tribal Lashkar invasion or other in PoK/NA, some Shia killings in Karachi and some mujahideen training in NWFP and some collective punishment (of flattening villiages) in FATA. The RAPEs were happy with that and it was business as usual!! Claiming that they changed their mind after less than 4 years of occasional soosai bumming of Lahore markets should be taken with a bucket of salt. The bottom 1% (ranked by anti-India virulence) of the RAPEs are stirring. For 99% it is still business as usual and an opportunity to consolidate/milk unkil for more attacks on India. An example below:

It now emerges that two major projects are underway (a) Import, train & export back Indian youth to make a "domestic jihadi" group in India (b) Move the Lashkar base to Afghanistan to fight Indians there and probably to export from there to India. (anyone see the parallel of Lashkar helping taliban with more complex operation in return for a base and a free hand for targetting Indians to Keeda helping taliban with more complex operation in return for a base and free hand for targetting US? So what do we have now? OBL replaced by Hafiz Saeed and US replaced by India. Suits the Pakis. Suits Unkil. That SOB Hamid Gul keeps snickering about how after Unkil leaves A'stan the mujahids will turn attention to cashmere. For people who correctly think that the Afghan talibs have no interest in cashmere: well it is true. The same is not true of LeT based out of A'stan)

Anti-India sentiment is still what holds the Pakis together. "RAPEs are afraid" is just another way of taqiyya/trying to be clever by half for baksheesh. Let them come back and talk to me when 1000 RAPEs are given a lampost by the yahoos and maybe then I might be willing to buy the Good RAPE/Bad RAPE theory.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Jun 2010 00:14

I couldn't catch the whole show on NPR this morning, but there were a couple of honchos including Richard Hass and some retd general among others talking about AfPak. The almost brazen admission of the honcho general tells you how much AfPak is dominated by Pentagon thinking. The guy said something like, we have no great interest in Afganisthan, its corrpt, Karzai is a bozo, Al Queda is non-existant (about the only truthful point he made) bla bla; and here is the punch line: he said the only interest US has in that region are the nukes in TSP which culd fall into extremist hands but at the moment are professionaly guarded by TSPA and are only targetted towards India. It was chilling.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 18 Jun 2010 00:38

Another doctor murdered in Karachi Target Killings

The target killing series in Karachi still continues as another doctor has been killed in Landhi. SAMAA reported today (Thursday)

Earlier, unknown attackers on motorcycle killed a Rangers personnel Sohail Abbas in Garden area.

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What happening in Karachi ? More than 20 killed in the last 2 days.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 Jun 2010 00:43

Pajistan: World's Drug Rehab Clinic
Funny, in parts.

UK drug addict tells of Taliban recruitment

"They just gave me an AK47 assault rifle and I was taught how to strip the weapon, clean it and fire it as well as how to carry out guerrilla activities - I could not believe this was happening."

His story arose because some Muslim parents in the UK send their children to Pakistan for them to beat an addiction to drugs.

In an attempt to combat his drug addiction, his father took him to Pakistan for help. "I was taken to a village called Tangir and left in a madrassa [religious school in Pakistan] where they said I would get help to come off the drugs," said Irfan.

"During the first few weeks I was given methadone which helped me withdraw from the heroin. ''After that I started receiving Koranic lessons and was eventually taught how to use weapons and fight.''

''I'm not the only person to be recruited. I'm sure many young Muslims like myself who go to Pakistan for rehab are also being targeted.''

"I didn't know who the Taliban really were but there I was being taught how to get to the enemy and digging tunnels. "I ended up sitting on the front line. I did say to myself: 'What the hell am I doing here?'"

"They [the Taliban] told me that they would not let me go because I had so much to offer them," he added.

And the scarier part:

"When I came back from Afghanistan they [a Muslim group] tried to recruit me again to go and take part in terrorist activities in Pakistan but I said no," he revealed. "These groups are still hanging around and we all know who they are but they carry on. "They see young Muslims from affluent backgrounds as their next target, and that's already started to happen."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Jun 2010 01:09

Lest Paki forget, soon to be repeated again.

PAKISTAN: Dacca, City of the Dead
Monday, May. 03, 1971
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... z0r8qge1iM
TIME

Correspondent Dan Coggin, who was among them, recently trekked back from India by Honda, truck, bus and bicycle to become the first American journalist to visit Dacca since the fighting started. His report:
Dacca was always a fairly dreary city, offering slim pleasures beyond the Hotel Intercontinental and a dozen Chinese restaurants ^ that few of its 1,500,000 people could afford. Now, IP in many ways, it has become a city of the dead. A month after the army struck, unleashing tank guns and automatic weapons against largely unarmed civilians in 34 hours of wanton slaughter, Dacca is still shocked and shuttered, its remaining inhabitants living in terror under the grip of army control. The exact toll will never be known, but probably more than 10,000 were killed in Dacca alone.
Looting was also the motive for the slaying of Ranada Prasad Saha, 80, one of East Pakistan's leading jute exporters and one of its few philanthropists; he had built a modern hospital offering free medical care at Mirzapur, 40 miles north of Dacca. Dev, Ghosh and Saha were all Hindus.
"Where are the maloun [cursed ones]?" rampaging soldiers often asked as they searched for Hindus. But the Hindus were by no means the only victims. Many soldiers arriving in East Pakistan were reportedly told the absurdity that it was all right to kill Bengali Moslems because they were Hindus in disguise. "We can kill anyone for anything," a Punjabi captain told a relative. "We are accountable to no one."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html