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nepali maoists could simply be doing it for employment and money with women and drugs thrown in as bonus. the economic situation in nepal is hardly blooming , so what can they do - either come to india and find some legitimate work or get a much higher salary and 'perks' serving in the naxals.
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There are some unconfirmed reports circulating in local media and in affected areas. Intel do point out such connection with Nepal ( and to PRC) though officially not yet ack. This is about first such public info given by WB police, which is surprising as WB is ruled by lefties afterall.Rudradev wrote:
Baichung and Laden sound very much like Sikkimese names. Many of the others could be Nepali. Are there a lot of Sikkimese, Gurkhas, Lepchas etc. involved in the Maoist ranks and cadres?
More importantly, has there been a transfusion of Nepali Maoist Cadres into WB (and possibly other Indian states) to provide expertise in combat leadership, operations planning and guerrilla warfare?
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Eye in sky alerts cops about moving ‘cluster’ in forest
This shows importance of using satellite to monitor such areas. Combined with HUMINT these can prove deadly in warfare with armed insurgents and others. Perhaps MHA could acquire a dedicated satellite or may be NRSO is roped in for real time intelCalcutta, June 18: West Midnapore police had come to know about the possibility of a Maoist camp on the edge of the Ranja forest when satellite pictures provided by the Indian Space Research Organisation showed a “cluster” next to Duli village in Salboni.
Armed with the sky spy inputs, the police activated their “source network” and got the “pinpointed” tip-off about a guerrilla camp there.
The police said they came to know about Maoist “movement” in and around Ranja forest after the rebels recently attacked a CPM office in nearby Pirakata. After that strike, the rebels had taken off in the direction of Ranja forest and that is where they were possibly holed up.
“We then contacted the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) for satellite images of the forest. They had helped us in the past as well,” an officer said. “The Isro images showed a concentration or cluster off Duli village. The images showed that the cluster was not static. In one image, it was at a particular place, in another it had shifted a bit. This suggested that a group was moving. We knew they must be a group of Maoists.”
Armed with this information, the police activated their “contacts”. The feedback that they got was positive. On Tuesday night, the police got the “pinpointed” tip-off that the Maoists had indeed set up a camp on the fringes of Duli.
The police proceeded with the raid that night itself. Eight Maoist squad members were gunned down. This was the security forces’ biggest success against the Maoists since Operation Lalgarh was launched on June 18 last year.
However, a section of police officers said the operation was only “partially” successful as most of the guerrillas had managed to flee. “According to our information, there were about 60 armed guerrillas camping there. They were divided into two groups in their camp. We carried out the assault on one of the groups successfully while the members of the other group managed to escape,” the officer said.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City ... 065891.cms
Interestingly some intellectuals have come out in support of the three arrested fellow intellectuals. But the most intellectually brilliant of all, the Stalinist rapist goon propaganda yellow daily, and its yellow journaist active blogger who raised hell and created a global campaign roping in western liberals, when Binayak Sen was arrested by BJP govt., is quiet on this arrest and no campaign has been mounted...
So it appears some intellectuals are inferior to some other intellectuals...
Interestingly some intellectuals have come out in support of the three arrested fellow intellectuals. But the most intellectually brilliant of all, the Stalinist rapist goon propaganda yellow daily, and its yellow journaist active blogger who raised hell and created a global campaign roping in western liberals, when Binayak Sen was arrested by BJP govt., is quiet on this arrest and no campaign has been mounted...
So it appears some intellectuals are inferior to some other intellectuals...
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by any chance is there a blogger named Sid Harth somewhere in the pantheon ?
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The various anti-India forces in and around the North Bengal sector collaborate and cooperate with each other. The initial Maoists who escaped from the plains of Bengal in the latter phase of the emergency, found sanctuary with such pre-existing sentiments and groups in Bihar, Orissa, the tea-gardens area (which had a long standing labour movement already led by both nationalist and communist Leftist orgs from the 40's), spreading into Assam valley, the northern parts of BD, Nepal, and even safe havens in Sikkim and parts of Bhutan. The Bhutan gov has stepped up pressure recently, and the IA has a constant pressure maintained in Sikkim. But these two regions are essentially surrounded on most sides by Nepal and China with some of the most difficult borders to maintain surveillance on. it is very nearly the same case as in most of NE.
So unless you can have Nepal, Sikkim and Bhutan all in a single framework essentially "merged" with India it can be very difficult to tackle the mobility of the Maoists and their coordination with a variety of outfits.
Having said that, we are having difficulties even liquidating them within the more difficult terrain inside India where GOI is supposed to have full control and access.
More importantly, as a fellow BRFite has pointed out to me, (reminding also of one of my "agrajas" here on "reds"!) is the Maoist method (not methodology) useful for future transitions of India?
So unless you can have Nepal, Sikkim and Bhutan all in a single framework essentially "merged" with India it can be very difficult to tackle the mobility of the Maoists and their coordination with a variety of outfits.
Having said that, we are having difficulties even liquidating them within the more difficult terrain inside India where GOI is supposed to have full control and access.
More importantly, as a fellow BRFite has pointed out to me, (reminding also of one of my "agrajas" here on "reds"!) is the Maoist method (not methodology) useful for future transitions of India?

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Singha-ji, some people have a strange moral compass. Talk about other' property, they will wax eloquent on socialist ideology, Stalinism, state control over 'key' sectors, PSU ownership and what not and worship Stalin and his followers and sing their praise....talk about their own ancestral property, then they become Duryodhans, denying even a pin-hole worth of concession to their own cousins...
the foundations of yellow journalism lie right there...intellectual dishonesty, hidden agendas and hypocrisy. No wonder they see nothing wrong if an "intellectual" or two is arrested (and also tortured as these Maoist friendly intellectuals have pointed out.) by their 'friends' but see red when others merely arrest...
the foundations of yellow journalism lie right there...intellectual dishonesty, hidden agendas and hypocrisy. No wonder they see nothing wrong if an "intellectual" or two is arrested (and also tortured as these Maoist friendly intellectuals have pointed out.) by their 'friends' but see red when others merely arrest...
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[I do know of people who have indeed given up on their property portions. Both my parents did.
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tsk..tsk...its called "not helping the Bourgeoisie". Conceding to "cousins" is not justifiable because it will help sustain "bourgeois" cousin, and add to their capacity for exploitation of the proletariat. Moreover, like the original sin, all that property was obtained through exploitation of labour - and therefore should not be given to bourgeoise. On the other hand I know cases where people became "red" to silence protests from other inheritors against their "red" misappropriation of all/most of inheritance.then they become Duryodhans, denying even a pin-hole worth of concession to their own cousins...
[I do know of people who have indeed given up on their property portions. Both my parents did.

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Ah a fellow SCIer... Those were the days eh?Singha wrote:by any chance is there a blogger named Sid Harth somewhere in the pantheon ?
That guy was strange: excellent knowledge wise, a huge potty mouth that distracted the discourse and an unreasonable hatred of anything non dalit...
He struck me more the type that would train jehadis than being a blogger. Sort of the like the Paki handlers of the Mumbai massacre.
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B-ji.
The Red 'method' is definitely one option. The unfortunate thing is that there is little to no coordination between various Indic thrusts. Imagine a scenario where these Indic arrows conduct a coordinated transformation at the individual and social level. Politics and national interests will automatically follow those thrusts.
I thought Kumbhmela is one such congregation. Is it possible?
[whine] I wish I have the guts to leave samsaara and pursue this vision [\whine]
The Red 'method' is definitely one option. The unfortunate thing is that there is little to no coordination between various Indic thrusts. Imagine a scenario where these Indic arrows conduct a coordinated transformation at the individual and social level. Politics and national interests will automatically follow those thrusts.
I thought Kumbhmela is one such congregation. Is it possible?
[whine] I wish I have the guts to leave samsaara and pursue this vision [\whine]
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Maoist leader Kishenji injured, hiding in Midnapore, claim police
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... e-cops.htm
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... e-cops.htm
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tanaji I had a 'sighting' of this elusive creature in WSJ today in the comments section of the article on indian super luxury apts. predictably he was ranting about the rich, the usual 90% on less than 10 paisa a day stuff.
one wonders where in rohan oberoi , Mo and the famous "Jai Maharaj" lol
HMO has made a comment that while it understands that force have no options to using poles in deep forest to cart dead naxals, they
should use stretchers once they reach inhabited areas. me figures the dead naxals are going to be buried where the forest ends probably.
one wonders where in rohan oberoi , Mo and the famous "Jai Maharaj" lol
HMO has made a comment that while it understands that force have no options to using poles in deep forest to cart dead naxals, they
should use stretchers once they reach inhabited areas. me figures the dead naxals are going to be buried where the forest ends probably.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Anti-Naxa ... 60417.aspx
Anti-Naxal ops: IAF for recall of choppers on UN missions
New Delhi, June 20, 2010
Amid proposals for using helicopters for movement of paramilitary forces during anti-Naxal operations, the IAF has suggested to the government that its 15 choppers deputed for UN peacekeeping forces may be called back as it has constraints of resources.
The IAF has made it clear that it has no reservation in helping police and paramilitary forces in evacuation but is hard-pressed for helicopters as most of them are deployed for various operational requirements.
The Air Force has told the government that if it were to assist in anti-Naxal operations, it would require more helicopters, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here.
In this context, it has suggested that the 15 MI-17 helicopters deputed for UN peacekeeping missions in three African countries may be called back, they said.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_ ... 360435.stm
a suspect behind midnapore train attack arrested in jamshedpur guest house.
a suspect behind midnapore train attack arrested in jamshedpur guest house.
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You can sense the slow discomfort in the DDM as the forces to combat the Red menace are being assembled. The DDM is sympathetic to the Red cause but get their butter from those whom the Rreds want to destroy.
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Naxal problem not an armed conflict, UN told
PTI | United Nations
India has strongly protested the inclusion of Naxal issue under the realm of an “armed conflict” in a UN report, saying the violence being perpetrated by these groups does not make it a zone of armed conflict as defined by international law.
Referring to the recent UN report that deals with ‘Children and armed conflicts’, India’s envoy to UN Hardeep Singh Puri told Security Council that operations of the Maoist groups did not fall into the realm of an “armed conflict”.
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Govt may hire helicopters from overseas to combat Maoists
After facing stiff resistance from the Indian Air Force (IAF), the ministry of home affairs is considering hiring heavy-lift helicopters from foreign firms for quick movement of paramilitary forces and aerial surveillance in areas hit by Maoist insurgents.
“If the air force cannot give it to us, we will go the private sector. If still not available, we will go outside (to foreign countries). All options are open before us,” a senior home ministry official said on condition of anonymity.
“We are waiting for the CCS (cabinet committee on security) decision on this. We will see how much they are giving us. The home ministry will then take a call on hiring from outside,” the official said.
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PC is again heading for trouble. If he insists on going very seriously on this, he is going to face dramatic and "serious" setbacks. Almost every possible obstacle in the way of measures that can seriously damage "Maoist" prospects - is being and will be tried out. Once again, what is/are the party/parties not really being targeted by the Maoists? Which faith-followers and leaders never suffer Maoist attacks?
Just wait for the next round of salvo : (1) hiring from external suppliers is a "comprador bourgeoisie" conspiracy by "running dogs of imperialism" to transfer Indian proletarian fruits of labour into colonialist hands (2) when so many Indians are without "sanitation" why are millions of rupees/foreign exchange being spent on hiring helicopters?
Just wait for the next round of salvo : (1) hiring from external suppliers is a "comprador bourgeoisie" conspiracy by "running dogs of imperialism" to transfer Indian proletarian fruits of labour into colonialist hands (2) when so many Indians are without "sanitation" why are millions of rupees/foreign exchange being spent on hiring helicopters?
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Honestly..I couldn't agree more. Well said!brihaspati wrote:PC is again heading for trouble. If he insists on going very seriously on this, he is going to face dramatic and "serious" setbacks. Almost every possible obstacle in the way of measures that can seriously damage "Maoist" prospects - is being and will be tried out. Once again, what is/are the party/parties not really being targeted by the Maoists? Which faith-followers and leaders never suffer Maoist attacks?
Just wait for the next round of salvo : (1) hiring from external suppliers is a "comprador bourgeoisie" conspiracy by "running dogs of imperialism" to transfer Indian proletarian fruits of labour into colonialist hands (2) when so many Indians are without "sanitation" why are millions of rupees/foreign exchange being spent on hiring helicopters?
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If IAF is under the political leadership why is PC not able to get help from them? Who is saying no? MMS can't be that person as if Rajmata wants to do it, MMS will agree to it. So the buck stops at Rajmata. Then why is PC insisting so much on this? What is he trying to prove and to whom?
Something is missing...
Something is missing...
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There are military doctrinal and statecraft wise practical problems with using the army "inside" on the "same-side". The way out would have been to raise a new special force for the "interior" independent of the army. But I think came across reports about the army being keen on "training" such outfits. This I find inconsistent, since the whole argument about public image of acting in hostility against its own people will still stick if the army gets involved in "training".
The army should stay away from maintaining "internal discipline" as it rightly has taken the position of. But at the same time it should leave the way clear for the GOI to raise a new force. Such a force will have its independent logistics and not be in such begging-bowl situation.
The army should stay away from maintaining "internal discipline" as it rightly has taken the position of. But at the same time it should leave the way clear for the GOI to raise a new force. Such a force will have its independent logistics and not be in such begging-bowl situation.
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B-ji.
I understand the predicament of armed forces and they are right in that aspect. I am trying to decipher UPA2's motivations thru PC's actions/statements.
State of Andhra Pradesh successfully demonstrated the possibility of raising an effective anti-naxal police force with minimal support from central govt. It has about 2000 active forces. Why aren't the other state govts doing it effectively? What are they missing?
If it is about political-will what is common between West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa, and Chattisgarh administrations? Why are they relying-on and blaming the central govt? I can understand WB political scenario, but what is holding Chattisgarh govt?
Did BJP reached a truce with Maoist factions after Kandhamal incident? In Telangana agitation they are working shoulder to shoulder...
On one side MMS gives big-big speeches on Maoist-threats. But why isn't he supporting (at least in public) PC? Or is he?
Did PC convert ?
I understand the predicament of armed forces and they are right in that aspect. I am trying to decipher UPA2's motivations thru PC's actions/statements.
State of Andhra Pradesh successfully demonstrated the possibility of raising an effective anti-naxal police force with minimal support from central govt. It has about 2000 active forces. Why aren't the other state govts doing it effectively? What are they missing?
If it is about political-will what is common between West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa, and Chattisgarh administrations? Why are they relying-on and blaming the central govt? I can understand WB political scenario, but what is holding Chattisgarh govt?
Did BJP reached a truce with Maoist factions after Kandhamal incident? In Telangana agitation they are working shoulder to shoulder...
On one side MMS gives big-big speeches on Maoist-threats. But why isn't he supporting (at least in public) PC? Or is he?
Did PC convert ?

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Can any one tell me atleast in one aspect that these governments have been a role-model for others (positive role model, I mean)? For ages these states were away from the main stream and the states have never been a kind of "go-getter" ones. They just trundled along. The politicians of these states, and the state machinery, guess had the best of their lives and every thing went hunky-dory until problems start coming. The state machinery have become too lethargic too even move their little fingers and now expects the central govt to bail them out. I guess it is time for the central government to put its foot down and tell state governments to full do their job rather than believing in a "sense of entitlement".RamaY wrote:If it is about political-will what is common between West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa, and Chattisgarh administrations? Why are they relying-on and blaming the central govt?
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But the army has been doing that for many decades now. If the army can be involved in Kashmir, the NE states, or after any number of riots, what is special about the Maoists that it cannot be called in?brihaspati wrote:The army should stay away from maintaining "internal discipline"
I may be wrong, but it seems as if the army is just making a play for more resources by playing hard to get.
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RamaY ji,
the best analogy to understand the lower Gangetic plains dance about maoism [in fact surprisingly similar as far back in history as can be seen regarding militant radicalism] is that the entrenched political power elite there are like the financiers/bankers who control the options traders on Wall street or other western markets.
The bankers always hedge their bets as much as possible - they spread their expectations of future profit all around. When the overall "productivity" stagnates, the forward traders in the trading seat get the nod from their bosses to play with more exotic and risky stuff. Such exotic options can appear to provide fantastic growth opportunities but may also come down in spectacular crashes. Then the crash effects roll back all through to the bankers themselves.
Lets take the Bihar+Jharkhand+WB+Chattisgarh regional politicians as the forward traders and their national-level bosses [need not be of the same party - basically who happens to dominate from the "centre" that particular regional party's national dances] the financial institution directors and their chamcha fund managers. So Maoists appeared as an exotic option after the initial thrust to destroy them petered out with the temporary demise of IG government. Even the great IG herself was a changed person afterwards - and never the same as before. Much less diplomatic preparation to isolate target globally and internally before drastic actions [Golden Temple vs 1971] - which is a sign of not only political impatience but also political shakiness.
The whole tenor of the Gangetic Valley politics changed after the 1977 transition. It was somewhat like the financial world transition in the late 80's-90's internationally. A stagnating political "profit" market in India pushed the central "bankers" to rely more on or give greater freedom to "forward traders" to experiment with "exotic options". Revival of both Jihadism, Maoism and to a certain extent "Khalistanism" all took off from here again.
Now we are seeing the parallels to the Wall street crash. There are also ground realities of central discrimination in allocation of funds/opportunities and a very long history of radicalism in these parts against what is perceived there as "exploitation by Delhi" - going right into the early days of Islamic invasions and late pre-Islamic. .
the best analogy to understand the lower Gangetic plains dance about maoism [in fact surprisingly similar as far back in history as can be seen regarding militant radicalism] is that the entrenched political power elite there are like the financiers/bankers who control the options traders on Wall street or other western markets.
The bankers always hedge their bets as much as possible - they spread their expectations of future profit all around. When the overall "productivity" stagnates, the forward traders in the trading seat get the nod from their bosses to play with more exotic and risky stuff. Such exotic options can appear to provide fantastic growth opportunities but may also come down in spectacular crashes. Then the crash effects roll back all through to the bankers themselves.
Lets take the Bihar+Jharkhand+WB+Chattisgarh regional politicians as the forward traders and their national-level bosses [need not be of the same party - basically who happens to dominate from the "centre" that particular regional party's national dances] the financial institution directors and their chamcha fund managers. So Maoists appeared as an exotic option after the initial thrust to destroy them petered out with the temporary demise of IG government. Even the great IG herself was a changed person afterwards - and never the same as before. Much less diplomatic preparation to isolate target globally and internally before drastic actions [Golden Temple vs 1971] - which is a sign of not only political impatience but also political shakiness.
The whole tenor of the Gangetic Valley politics changed after the 1977 transition. It was somewhat like the financial world transition in the late 80's-90's internationally. A stagnating political "profit" market in India pushed the central "bankers" to rely more on or give greater freedom to "forward traders" to experiment with "exotic options". Revival of both Jihadism, Maoism and to a certain extent "Khalistanism" all took off from here again.
Now we are seeing the parallels to the Wall street crash. There are also ground realities of central discrimination in allocation of funds/opportunities and a very long history of radicalism in these parts against what is perceived there as "exploitation by Delhi" - going right into the early days of Islamic invasions and late pre-Islamic. .
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As for PC, a reasonable guess/hunch is that he has been put in the hot seat as per a well established Indian political party intrigue tradition. If some activist/leader shows qualities that may mark him out as someone who can independently stake a claim for the plum posts, then the prevailing coterie - with boss and his/her courtiers/bootlickers will put that activist/leader in a post where he is damned if he does perform and he is damned if he fails to perform. If he performs then necessarily he has to ruffle feathers at places which will make inveterate enemies for him, and the supreme "leader" can bask in the glory of his underling's performance. If he fails to perform thats even nicer.
PC being pushed into such a corner, is like a coralled tiger [not a lion] - allowed some freedom to roar and run about along the fence, but not sufficient gap in the fence to go get the buffalo waving its horns and stamping its feet in the distance. It is the fear of losing dynastic supremacy in the political arena - which holds back the full realization of the talents of recruits. the fundamental weakness of dynastic rule as there is no guarantee of the greatest talent taking birth in the dynasty in every generation. More importantly, I guess the situation is worsened by the courtiers - who are themselves of a lower calibre and hence more dependent on the dynasty for power. It is these guys who panic at the appearance of someone who has calibre and goad or raise the insecurities in the dynastic scion against the man-of-calibre.
PC being pushed into such a corner, is like a coralled tiger [not a lion] - allowed some freedom to roar and run about along the fence, but not sufficient gap in the fence to go get the buffalo waving its horns and stamping its feet in the distance. It is the fear of losing dynastic supremacy in the political arena - which holds back the full realization of the talents of recruits. the fundamental weakness of dynastic rule as there is no guarantee of the greatest talent taking birth in the dynasty in every generation. More importantly, I guess the situation is worsened by the courtiers - who are themselves of a lower calibre and hence more dependent on the dynasty for power. It is these guys who panic at the appearance of someone who has calibre and goad or raise the insecurities in the dynastic scion against the man-of-calibre.
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The situation is more complex here. In J&K and the NE states, it is more a concern about "borders", and the fear that the loss of these extremities may have a bad electoral backlash in the "heartland". It all depends on what the regime at Delhi considers as the real "heartland" - in most cases this appears to be UP and its immediate hinterland.vera_k wrote:But the army has been doing that for many decades now. If the army can be involved in Kashmir, the NE states, or after any number of riots, what is special about the Maoists that it cannot be called in?brihaspati wrote:The army should stay away from maintaining "internal discipline"
I may be wrong, but it seems as if the army is just making a play for more resources by playing hard to get.
Involvement in cleaning up "riots" is a relatively short-term presence of the army and may not affect the electoral scenario over the long term. Moreover, do look into when and how the army is called out - at what stage of which riot - which may show up a certain pattern of intervening to protect certain subgroups only regardless of who started the riot. look at how an iron curtain was put on the media or any info outlet about the "riots" recently in a town of UP. It is all about protecting only certain subgroups - which can take two forms - protecting them even if they have been instrumental in starting the violence but were at the danger of being overwhelmed by their targets, or, to neutralize elements who may reveal the actions of protected "subgroups". In this case, given the perceived electoral importance of the protected subgroups, army intervention is not contradictory to "central" interests.
Going after Maoists with the army is an entirely different ball-game. As I have tried to say before - an insurgency that survives for more than 30 years, more than one active generation, cannot be immune to penetration by national secret services. To be fair, it can be a mutual penetration - as some of those dealing with the insurgents may also get "converted" and serve as sleeper cells within the rashtryia setup. Maoists never ever do anything that hurts the north-Indian Congress interests [post 70's anyway], the EJ's and Islamists.
It is a stretch, and please do not read exact similarities, but think of the merry fighting going on between the Talebs of Pak and the Occupation government in Islamabad. The common foot soldier of the army/police are getting their 72's but does it mean a real "fight" between the occupiers at Islamambad and the Taleb top mullahs? They each cannot completely destroy or do without each other - so there cannot be a fight to the finish.
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More over , involving army might send the signal as to how major a threat maoists have become. Just my POV
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well that logic could be applied to sundry riots too. it is more about the sustained presence and campaigning that can have possible electoral impact - which is more of a concern.
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Thanks B-ji for the insight... now I see things a bit clear.
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RamaY-ji,
please check during whose time the naxals became a menace in andhra and forces were raised as an obvious reactive step (if I am not wrong). Somebody else became CM after that, did a cease fire and after that raised the temperature possibly to finish off the more ambitious ones. Just check the case as to who the previous CM was. Since that person had some amount of political capital independent of the INC clout, the troubles seemed to surge. This is not to trivialize the capacity of naxals to act independently in any way, but there is a certain pattern. I would keep my fingers crossed in andhra, because the menace seems to be like a genie that re-cycles itself from time to time. This by itself is a very simplistic explanation but there is a possibility.
please check during whose time the naxals became a menace in andhra and forces were raised as an obvious reactive step (if I am not wrong). Somebody else became CM after that, did a cease fire and after that raised the temperature possibly to finish off the more ambitious ones. Just check the case as to who the previous CM was. Since that person had some amount of political capital independent of the INC clout, the troubles seemed to surge. This is not to trivialize the capacity of naxals to act independently in any way, but there is a certain pattern. I would keep my fingers crossed in andhra, because the menace seems to be like a genie that re-cycles itself from time to time. This by itself is a very simplistic explanation but there is a possibility.
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>> in most cases this appears to be UP and its immediate hinterland.
the congress and BJP has long ceased to be a force in UP. SP and BSP rule the roost there. congress gets its seats and allies all over the place.
I think they are more concerned with "sentiments of minorities" and such all over the place not just UP. whichever religious, caste or ethnic oil droplet lines up for them is the heartland (for the moment).
the congress and BJP has long ceased to be a force in UP. SP and BSP rule the roost there. congress gets its seats and allies all over the place.
I think they are more concerned with "sentiments of minorities" and such all over the place not just UP. whichever religious, caste or ethnic oil droplet lines up for them is the heartland (for the moment).
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^^^I agree. This is why I mentioned whoever from the centre dominates the "national dance" of the regional party - and they need not be the same as the regional power. Even if BSP/SP dominates the field in UP, the "centre" can still remain psychologically attached to the region and may have a larger impact factor written on their minds about the electorate there compared to what they consider "periphery".
Look at all sorts of usual suspects modelled behind the rise of the reds :
(1) If it was Islamic factor alone, then UP, Bihar, WB, Andhra, Kerala, Karnataka all share it : but UP is free from the "red menace"!
(2) If it was "big-bad-majority" community - shared by UP, Bihar, WB, Andhra, Orissa : UP still is free of "red menace"
(3) prior to separation of Uttarakhand, UP would have shared in the presence of EJ activities withe the others - still no sign of "red menace"
(4) presence of tribals - shared by all the other "culprit" states, still UP has no red menace.
Radicalism of the most violent kind - which also have collateral targets of faiths, communities, and parties - changing over time, only appear outside of UP. Only two such movements ever directly targeted the Congress - both wiped out - early Naxalites and the Khalistanis.
A small self correction [which is not really a contradiction] - one source of radicalism has flourished in UP and exported or inspired radicalism outside of UP - the Deobandis. They are of course completely free to give fatwas.
Look at all sorts of usual suspects modelled behind the rise of the reds :
(1) If it was Islamic factor alone, then UP, Bihar, WB, Andhra, Kerala, Karnataka all share it : but UP is free from the "red menace"!
(2) If it was "big-bad-majority" community - shared by UP, Bihar, WB, Andhra, Orissa : UP still is free of "red menace"
(3) prior to separation of Uttarakhand, UP would have shared in the presence of EJ activities withe the others - still no sign of "red menace"
(4) presence of tribals - shared by all the other "culprit" states, still UP has no red menace.
Radicalism of the most violent kind - which also have collateral targets of faiths, communities, and parties - changing over time, only appear outside of UP. Only two such movements ever directly targeted the Congress - both wiped out - early Naxalites and the Khalistanis.
A small self correction [which is not really a contradiction] - one source of radicalism has flourished in UP and exported or inspired radicalism outside of UP - the Deobandis. They are of course completely free to give fatwas.
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A most insightful and appropriate analogy.brihaspati wrote:
The whole tenor of the Gangetic Valley politics changed after the 1977 transition. It was somewhat like the financial world transition in the late 80's-90's internationally. A stagnating political "profit" market in India pushed the central "bankers" to rely more on or give greater freedom to "forward traders" to experiment with "exotic options". Revival of both Jihadism, Maoism and to a certain extent "Khalistanism" all took off from here again.
Now we are seeing the parallels to the Wall street crash. There are also ground realities of central discrimination in allocation of funds/opportunities and a very long history of radicalism in these parts against what is perceived there as "exploitation by Delhi" - going right into the early days of Islamic invasions and late pre-Islamic. .
So, as Ive said before: isn't it up to Indic forces to do a little "forward trading" of their own, in such "exotic options?" After all, at this point they have far less to lose than the currently entrenched "financial institutions" in the event of a crash, no?
And now, following the crash, may be the best opportunity of all. After all one must buy low and sell high in this game!
Perhaps the Red Menace could yet herald the coming of an ochre dawn.
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Looks like a decision has been made..
‘Phased IAF withdrawal from Congo, Sudan’
‘Phased IAF withdrawal from Congo, Sudan’
Well, at least one things clear.. we wont be 'leasing choppers' from foreign countries.. and just on that basis, feels like sensible decision and reasonably good news.. IAF has its way.The Indian Air Force (IAF) has sought permission to pull out its helicopters from the UN Missions in Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, said Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao.
“The Ministry of Defence has raised the issue with us. We are in touch with our Permanent Mission to the UN in New York. We are working with the Ministry of Defence on the one hand here in New Delhi and also with the UN authorities to organise a phased withdrawal,” Rao told reporters.
The IAF has six Mi-17s (“Equatorial Eagles”) and four Mi-35 (“Firebirds”) in Goma and five Mi-17s and four Mi-25s (“Vipers”) in Bukavu in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
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Because Maoists are useful tools to keep peripheral "kshatraps" in line by the ruling dynasty.
Because Maoists are useful tools to keep peripheral "kshatraps" in line by the ruling dynasty.
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What use will those MOUs be to the ruling family if they are signed by the opposite party? Will it not make that signing party even more powerful?nukavarapu wrote: huuuuuuuunh ... how would that benefit the Ruling Dynasty. Bcoz of these menace, most of the MOUs signed by videshi companies are lying wasted. Why would they lose the chance of earning from these MOUs?
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naxalism ,as it looks ,is going to stay for 2-3 decades more,and in full swing ...Abhi_G wrote:^^^^
Because Maoists are useful tools to keep peripheral "kshatraps" in line by the ruling dynasty.
they wont be able to cut it down to miniscule level,even with all the latest gadgetry they are purchasing in the name of anti-naxalism .
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http://www.projectstoday.com/News/NewsD ... ?nid=10595nukavarapu wrote:I thought all MOUs have to be authorized by the center, no?ravi_ku wrote:What use will those MOUs be to the ruling family if they are signed by the opposite party? Will it not make that signing party even more powerful?
Who signed the above? Authorization doesnt mean money flows to the centre. Majority of money flows to the local elite as they hold more power in that region.
Hint, hint: land, electricity, water etc. etc. The above cannot be got by getting someone in Delhi sign it.