Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 19 Jun 2010 06:09

Hazara Pakhtun tensions

Mr Gohar Ayub was stated to have said that Hazara were merged with NWFP in 1901 against the will of the people and in the bargain hill stations and timber became the main attractions of the then rulers of the time. The above historic review of Hazara reveals the ethnic background especially that of the vast silent Pakhtun majority. The adoption of Hindko as a Lingua Franca in Hazara seems to be the basis of an indifferent relationship between cis and trans Indus cousins. The proud Gadoons have turned into timid Jadoons the Tahirkhellis the Said Khanies, Tareens Panies Dalazaks and most Swatis if not all have forsaken their mother tongue Pakhtu and are now being dubbed as Hindki (originally dwellers of Hindustan). Conversely Pakhtuns from across the Attock who come to serve in Hazara are called “Atkoon Par de Harami” and so goes this love-hate relationship.

They need to look at the merger of FATA into mainstream Pakhtun politics rather than keeping it as terrorist minefield, the appeasement of Hindku speaking population of Hazara and Dera Jat and declaration of Pakhtunkhwa as a minority friendly province. To the Pakhtun I appeal to lend a helping hand to the Hazarawal and let them feel at ease as much as a Tajik, Uzbek, Turkman, Hazara and Baloch feel within the Pakhtun confederacy of Afghanistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jun 2010 06:14

RajeshA wrote: A Pakistani hates himself, and looks upon the Indians as an easy target to redirect his self-loathing. Calling Pakistanis' psychosis an identity crisis, is mistaking the iceberg for a deformed snowman. When one hears how often the Pakistanis repeat, "if we sink, will will take India with us", then one knows that the Pakistani psyche is preprogrammed for self-destruction. When suicide bombing was first introduced to Pakistan, it was like a man finding his destiny, his calling. Soon it will be the national sport there!.

This post is a keeper

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jun 2010 07:08

I cannot fault RajeshA's post above. But there is a huge difference between reading that someone vomited over someone else and actually experiencing someone vomiting over you. Pakistan, in reality is vomiting over India and that takes the reality of dealing with Pakis to another level.

Imagine "making borders irrelevant". Would that make Pakistan irrelevant? Perhaps, but it would not make Pakis disappear. Imagine Pakis having free access to India.

If you look at the classification of Pakis in Brad Goodman's post - every single one of those Pakis would pour into India and seek something from India. Except perhaps the landed types and the criminals hiding in Pakistan.

What can Pakistanis give to India that India does not have?

I think Pakistan can supply illegal automatic weapons, rocket launchers and explosives to India on a large scale.
Pakistanis will definitely stoke the communal card that India has assiduously made almost irrelevant over the decades.

It should be possible to prevent arms from slipping in, but unless you make Islam irrelevant, free entry of Pakis into India will only mean trouble - given that Indians have put in a lot of effort to "get along" with each other. Asking Indians to suddenly accept Pakis would be a complete disaster.

The other side of the coin is what Pakistan will get from India. No matter what it gets from India, the biggest threat to Pakistan will be "Indian values". Indian values would make a lot of what Paki mullahs and other have done for decades irrelevant. The average Pakistani male is sexually frustrated being whose main intention abroad is to conquer the kafir woman - because of sexual suppression in Pakistan.

For "borders to become irrelevant" our wise men have to decide whether Indians have to become like Pakistanis, or Pakistanis have to become like Indians. Anyone who claims that Indians and Pakistanis are "just the same" - "just people" should really be put against a wall and shot. That degree of ignorance of Pakistan should not be allowed in this day and age.

Just some irrelevant thoughts

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jun 2010 07:22

shiv wrote: It should be possible to prevent arms from slipping in, but unless you make Islam irrelevant, free entry of Pakis into India will only mean trouble - given that Indians have put in a lot of effort to "get along" with each other. Asking Indians to suddenly accept Pakis would be a complete disaster.
The other side of the coin is what Pakistan will get from India. No matter what it gets from India, the biggest threat to Pakistan will be "Indian values".

This is the crux of matter and must for gaining long lost and lasting peace . The onlee solution is to encourage most pure Islamic forces in Pawkistan which can impose 400% pure Sharia on Pawkilogs.
Pawki are actually becoming aware of this and efforts have already started to disassociate Pawkistaniat from Islam, rehablitating psycho Jinnah as secular Jinnah.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jun 2010 07:45

Prem wrote: Pawki are actually becoming aware of this and efforts have already started to disassociate Pawkistaniat from Islam,

This must never happen. What will be the difference between Pakistan and India if that happens. You know from opinion polls that most Pakis want sharia. It is America and America's whore, the Pakistani army who are stopping democratic Pakistanis from having the sharia that God mandated.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 Jun 2010 08:13

Should have a contest for innovative spellings - Pawki, Pacqui are both excellent efforts

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2010 08:48

A Summary of the Pakistan-US Relationship

A must watch.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Jun 2010 08:54

Pacqui is a Paki who has been to French finishing school.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 19 Jun 2010 08:55

French ya Noth waziristan?

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Jun 2010 08:56

anupmisra wrote:A Summary of the Pakistan-US Relationship

A must watch.

Are you sure it is not NSFW? does vaseline figure anywhere?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jun 2010 10:24

archan wrote:
anupmisra wrote:A Summary of the Pakistan-US Relationship
A must watch.
Are you sure it is not NSFW? does vaseline figure anywhere?

Kuffar has not figured out yet that Vazeline was required onlee in the begining. Now days a shot in dark gets the mark without trouble. Boyfriend of Paquistine in DC now complaining of routine boredom and not enough firework or belly dancing.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 19 Jun 2010 11:04

Rudradev wrote:

The "Liberal" Pakis are not merely defined by sense of superiority and revulsion against Hindus; they are defined by the idea that it is their destiny to RULE OVER Hindus and an entire dhimmified subcontinent. This is not an extremist Islamist idea at all... it is the core motivation of the RAPE to claim their supposed inheritance of the Mughal legacy.

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But some clever RAPEs like Najam Sethi have realized how the wind is blowing in New Delhi and are busy putting on a conciliatory public image that fits right in with the delusion of "RAPE is now more anti-Islamist than anti-Hindu." Despite the very reasonable-sounding interviews of his that we are seeing on Youtube these days, let us remember there was a good reason why we used to call this guy Jihad Sethi. A hyena never changes its spoor.

Yup, you're spot on, as usual. All this talk in the Indian media about how the RAPE is changing it's attitude towards the jihadi's and India is just bloody disgusting.

CRamS wrote:

he said the only interest US has in that region are the nukes in TSP which culd fall into extremist hands but at the moment are professionaly guarded by TSPA and are only targetted towards India. It was chilling.

BRF discussed this fact ( that paki nukes are India specific and that that is the only reason the US allows paki's to have nukes ) years ago and this fact has still not changed despite all the talk of "Indo-US strategic partnership" etc..

That is why India has to make sure that the jihadi's get their JDAM(s) ( originating from pakistan ) and that it's diverted to Washington or London rather then to India. It can be done.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 19 Jun 2010 11:37

anupmisra wrote:

A Summary of the Pakistan-US Relationship

Again evidence that the (slur edited out. Do think before coming up with stuff like that - JE Menon) know all that is there is to know about paki's.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jun 2010 11:50

shiv wrote:
Kamboja wrote: Is there a way that India can convince China to stop supporting Pakistan?
China can only become more paranoid about India as Pakistan makes itself irrelevant. But fostering jihad in Xinjiang is a good idea. The people of Xinjiang are not allowed to practise their religion freely.

I too find it discriminatory that the Chinese are being kept out of the Jihad Amusement Park, while the whole world is having fun!

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Jun 2010 12:30

We try to get a fence erected at the LOC after much struggle and loss of valuable life and now our 'intellectual leaders' want to make the border irrelevant and give a red carpet welcome to the wannabe soosai bummers? I mean, seriously, what the phuck?!

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Jun 2010 12:45

BijuShet wrote:Just another lawless day in TSP (This whole incident is another filmi episode like the last one where folks were shooting inside the courthouse).

From The News : Constable killed as old man opens fire on police team{Snipped}

Seems that despite assurances by the President of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Asif Ali Zardari and their Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani that Islam is a Religion of Peace, the ordinary Abduls of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are not about to give up on their self tom-tommed “martial” qualities even going to the extent that it is not considered incongruous for Muslim pilgrims visiting shrines to be armed

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Else this is nothing more than a bunch of Hindus / Jews / Christians “Posing as Muslims” to malign Islam and Islam’s citadel and sole nuclear power, Pakistan

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jun 2010 12:45

To understand the pakis, their moth eaten country and their ilk across the world you need to understand their dharma sankat.

For generations, It has been constantly drilled into their unwashed skulls in every madressah and school in the region that they were the rulers once. That moron bhukari loudly laments this fact publicly in the jama masjid and vows to come back. They do not understand why their superiorness is not respected.

They are now beginning to have serious doubts about their perception of reality.

If they were the rulers as claimed then how come they have messed up their paki land? Can they not rule again? Did they ever rule? Did they really have the past glory or are their mullahs lying as usual? Are the Hindus as incompetent as portrayed? The waiting to be blown up and jobless abdul in karachi sees a booming and rip-roaring Indian economy and all that goes with it. Indian movies with Indian heroes bonking beautiful babes in every frame. Doesn't quite jell with what has been earlier thrust into his now disbelieving head.

The so called subservient subjects over whom they once ruled triumphantly for a thousand(?) years are now refusing to behave and acknowledge their subservientness.

Sacrilege!! Back to the mullah for explanation! More BS!!!.

World wide, this is what they know in their heart of hearts, that religion is the cause of ignorance in the muslim world; that religion obstructs progress; that religious orthodoxy played a destructive role in their present plight. Its painfully evident that this is happening in every country where they claim to rule with their sharia. When they see people in other countries spit on pakis and they have to actually claim to be Indian to even get a job, it hurts them deeply and shames them to their core in a way that only a miserably failed civilization can be shamed.

They already know that they are unwashed, unwanted, unwelcome and insignificant and therefore try their best to become relevant again. How? by constantly causing trouble, attention seeking like a truculent kid.

If you ignore them, their nakharas will soon settle down and then maybe some matters can be discussed sensibly.
If you try to placate them then they know that their ploy has worked and their demands will escalate.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Jun 2010 14:28

Multatuli wrote:anupmisra wrote:
A Summary of the Pakistan-US Relationship
Again evidence that the Americunts know all that is there is to know about paki's.

Exactly...as I mentioned earlier, if ordinary journos know it, Unkil surely knows. So the question is what sort of hold that Pakbarian animalistan hold on Unkil to make unkil behave so cuckold? It can't be the India card because Unkil is not so hung up on India...

cant be nukes either because Pakbarian nookes cant hit anywhere near, even assuming they launch them...

gotta be somethin' else...

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Jun 2010 15:01

pakistan is actually the proxy war battleground between Unkil and the Dragon

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 15:15

Suspected US missile kills 13 in North Waziristan

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 15:18

Bomb kills one, wounds eight in Dera Ismail Khan

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 15:23

Endgame in Afghanistan

With the Afghan endgame now clearly in sight, it is all the more necessary that India, Pakistan and Afghanistan must resolve their differences and come to some understanding irrespective of the military and domestic compulsions of Nato states active in the region. Unfortunately, the zero-sum game that has characterised Indo-Pak relations will probably prevent this logical convergence of interests.

If the West’s exit strategy fails in its expectation of an orderly handover then Pakistan can expect to be singled out as the scapegoat for a military defeat. The allegations contained in the Waldeman report about the Pakistan government’s links to the Taliban should be seen in this context.

Despite the leaks and rumours about talks with the Taliban, Mullah Omar has made it clear that he will only talk to the Karzai government once foreign forces have withdrawn from Afghanistan. At that point, the only things to discuss with Karzai will be the terms of surrender.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 15:33

Thirsty Pakistan gasps for water solutions

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 15:42

Of 65 FC men missing:
6 found dead
Pakistan recovers bodies of six soldiers

14 returned:
14 FC men return from Afghanistan

That left 45 still missing...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jun 2010 15:48

shiv wrote:It should be possible to prevent arms from slipping in, but unless you make Islam irrelevant, free entry of Pakis into India will only mean trouble - given that Indians have put in a lot of effort to "get along" with each other. Asking Indians to suddenly accept Pakis would be a complete disaster.

The other side of the coin is what Pakistan will get from India. No matter what it gets from India, the biggest threat to Pakistan will be "Indian values". Indian values would make a lot of what Paki mullahs and other have done for decades irrelevant. The average Pakistani male is sexually frustrated being whose main intention abroad is to conquer the kafir woman - because of sexual suppression in Pakistan.

shiv ji,

the question I too pose, is how do you make Islam irrelevant. When one delves into the problem one step at a time:

1. How to make Islam irrelevant?
2. How to make Islam irrelevant for Pakistanis?
3. How to make Islam, an Islam which fosters hate towards India, irrelevant for Pakistanis?
4. How to make Islam, an Islam which fosters hate towards India, irrelevant for Pakjabis, Mohajirs and Mirpuris, the three groups which define Pakistaniyat, the negation of India?

The attention of the Pushtun is directed towards Islam itself and towards the politics and happenings in Afghanistan and FATA. The attention of the Sindhi is directed towads finding enough space for his butt on a scooter being driven by the Pakjabi. The attention of the Baloch is directed towards getting off that scooter.

Up till now there has been one narrative coming out of Pakistanis of
a) why they are a separate nation.
b) why they have issues with India.
c) why they are superior.

This is a narrative which has been accepted by Indians as the truth about the Pakistani psyche. According to your proposal, the battlefield is the Pakistani psyche. But the battlefield has been prepared by the Pakistani. It is his narrative which decides what he is and what his problems are. In order to win the battle, Indians would have to redefine the battlefield. It is India's narrative, that needs to take precedence. It is we, Indians, who should tell Pakistanis what they are and what their problems is. Pakistan is the patient and India his psychologist.

But first we Indians have to develop some effective counter-narrative. First and foremost, we need to rubbish everything they hold dear about themselves. Every reason they come out with, what bothers them about India, needs to be rejected out of hand with the contempt that it deserves.

If Pakistanis say, they are Muslim, India says they are all wannabe Muslims, all who left the shores of Hinduism but never reached Islam nor ever will. They are the fallen Hindus. They are the weaklings, who could not make a stand. They were and will always remain the "jooti ka tala" of the Arabs. Their Islamic inferiority will stick to them for all eternity.

If Pakistanis say, they belong to the land, we tell them, they are the najaiz aulad, the haramis of the Turks and Arabs, and have no right to the land.

If Pakistanis say, they are so TFTA, we tell them that they must be the most ugly 'Whites' on the planet, while Indians are the most beautiful "Browns" on the planet.

If Pakistanis say, they are fighting for Islam, for Kashmir, for Water, for xyz. We say bullshit - You are fighting because you are jealous of your bigger brother and hate him, because he is better in every way. Plain and Simple. Islam has nothing to do with it. We debase all their motives and treat them with the contempt a psychopath needs to be treated with. We need to take away Pakistan's Islamic clothes, all the way down to their chaddis and underwears.

All the above however will not stick and is useless. You insult a Pakistani, and he will insult you back, and one thing I know, is that no Indian can keep up with Pakistani insults, so lets not even go there.

I am proposing, that all the above needs to be packaged differently. It should be packaged for the drawing room, for the television discussions, for the print media, for the Indian political circles. This narrative is the one, that should be the standard assumption for Pakistan centered articles coming out of the Western media. This narrative should dominate the Western thinking and rhetoric, because after all, Pakistan too imports their political vocabulary from the West.

The narrative should remain that Pakistan is a psychotic and needs help dealing with their inferiority, their one-sided sibling rivalry. The narrative should remain that no demands of Pakistan have any locus standi coming from a mad-man. The narrative should remain that the mad-man uses and abuses Islam to hide his base motives.

The battlefield should be prepared in a way, where the Pakistani is convinced that he is a mad-man, that all his claims based on Islam, Two-Nation Theory, Kashmir, Ethnic Superiority are just excuses to hide his base emotions of inferiority, his sibling-hate, his rootlessness, his worthlessness, his lack of purpose in life. He should know, that the whole world knows his truth, and the nakedness of his psyche. He should feel, that he never was a true Muslim, can never be a true-blooded Muslim, and perhaps it is not even worth trying.

In a battlefield prepared thus, it just may be possible to get through to the Pakistani and break his programming, his brain-wash. For this, one would need a big effort in psyops blaring from every media and political source in India and also beyond.

Of course, the above is just a proposal for a starting point.

Just my two-cent musings!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jun 2010 15:53

JUST IN: Karachi: Shooting and 2 explosions outside Karachi City Court, Casualties feared.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Jun 2010 15:59

With target killings going at the rate of Geoff Boycott's test match innings, the big hitters have been brought in...hope they change the game..

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Jun 2010 16:01

Interesting that despite the two Islamic Republics of Pakistan and Iran having recently concluded an agreement for the purchase/sale gas between them selves there is no evidence of US displeasure by way of any evidence that the US tried to block this World Bank aid package to Pakistan’s gas industry.

Have the American’s opted to go easy on bete noire Iran notwithstanding a very handy UN Security Council package of sanctions whose scope was recently expanded or has Pakistan found a device to squeeze US cojones?

Meanwhile it would be productive for India’s foreign policy establishment to note US quiescence for whenever India gets down to buying gas from Iran :

WB offers $115m for gas network improvement

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 19 Jun 2010 16:06

ajit_tr wrote:

With the Afghan endgame now clearly in sight, it is all the more necessary that India, Pakistan and Afghanistan must resolve their differences and come to some understanding irrespective of the military and domestic compulsions of Nato states active in the region. Unfortunately, the zero-sum game that has characterised Indo-Pak relations will probably prevent this logical convergence of interests.

If the West’s exit strategy fails in its expectation of an orderly handover then Pakistan can expect to be singled out as the scapegoat for a military defeat. The allegations contained in the Waldeman report about the Pakistan government’s links to the Taliban should be seen in this context.

Is anyone here interested in this paki propaganda ? I certainly am not! What does the paki mean by "logical convergence of interests" ?
Since when do Indian and paki intentions and interests in Afghanistan converge ?

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 16:10

One policeman killed in attack outside Karachi City Courts

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 19 Jun 2010 16:11

If one day Pakbarians are convinced that working together with India is the only way to keep Unkil (and taller than mountain) out of SA and West Asia, then I guess the interests can converge. That would mean accepting India's leadership...until then Unkil is doing a good job, let us stand by and applaud...

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jun 2010 16:16

Cop among three killed as Karachi court attacked

A policeman among three killed while two others injured when gunmen attacked police in city court to liberate their aide and an activist of outlawed outfit here on Saturday.

According to sources, attackers managed to took the arrested man along with them. Initial reports said armed man attacked

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 19 Jun 2010 17:13

Pakistani national bird showers blessings on the pious....

Eleven killed in 'US missile strike' in Pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jun 2010 19:12

Suppiah wrote:If one day Pakbarians are convinced that working together with India is the only way to keep Unkil (and taller than mountain) out of SA ...

Suppiah, the sole existence of Pakistan is to outwit, outsmart and conquer an India destroyed of its kafir. By all accounts, Pakistan has not taken any policy decision to reverse that goal. For different reasons, the interests of the India-haters and the Islamists have converged as it also happened after 1940. Throughout its history, there had always been a minuscule constituency in Pakistan that voiced sanity in its dealings with India. They are not new and they never counted much. We seem to view a Najam Sethi here or a Kamran Shafi there as an emerging constituency that could be encouraged to be a powerful lobby. (Of course, we must nurture them because every tool must be used by us to slay the Pakistani monster.) We all know here that any policy change will require the Pakistani government to tackle the powerful PA, terror tanzeems, Islamists and very large sections of radicalized society. This undaunting task is therefore simply impossible in Pakistan and we have no indication that this is even being attempted or has even crossed the minds of the powers that be. It is like reforming Islamists who fervently believe in scriptural, literalist and medieval Islam.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 19:24

Pakistan seethes at bad-boy image

An editorial on June 14 by Pakistan's Nation newspaper possibly came closest to the heart of the matter. Under the headline "Pakistan targeted again", it wrote, "There is certainly a double game going on here but it is being played rather skillfully by the US and India with NATO [North Atlantic Treaty Organization] a compliant partner."

In the bloody civil war of the early 1990s that followed the withdrawal of the Soviet Union from Afghanistan, Pakistan saw the emerging Taliban as a key strategic asset against bitter rival India, and it encouraged and nurtured the movement. .....

Pakistan sees itself as one of these key actors. And while it roundly rejects accusations such as those made in the LSE report of direct intervention in the Afghan war, it has repeatedly voiced its concern about the expanded Indian presence in that country.

Islamabad has been concerned over the reluctance of the US to press India to work for a resolution of the Kashmir dispute with Pakistan, and it is also upset that the US signed a civilian nuclear deal with India while refusing to do so with Pakistan.

Ultimately, however, Pakistan remains concerned about the US's seemingly ambivalent policy in the AfPak region, with Under Secretary of State William Burns announcing at a seminar in Washington early this month that the US sees "India's continued involvement in there [Afghanistan] as a key part of that country's success, not part of its problems".

Yet a day later, General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of the US-led NATO troops in Afghanistan, ventured in a "leaked" report, "Increasing Indian influence in Afghanistan is likely to exacerbate tensions and encourage Pakistani counter measures."
Confusion was compounded when Senator John Kerry, chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, reaffirmed in a Times of India article titled "Promoting Strategic Dialogue" that India “will be a defining partnership of the 21st century" to effectively marginalize the significance of Pakistan. [1]

US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake recently made an effort to pacify Pakistan. During a web chat with a confrontational Indian press he reminded that "we [the US] will not be able to succeed without the active support of our friends in Pakistan".

But then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took up the cudgels on India's behalf, again in the Times of India, in a column on June 4 entitled "Partnership of Democracies" in which she wrote, "Through our strategic dialogue, we are expanding our cooperation on global issues on which India can and must play a leading role." [2]

Karzai's "talking with the Taliban" still appears the best option, but it is clear that this has to be occasioned under the flag of a truce negotiated directly with the Taliban leadership - and this would not go down well in India. Delhi sees the Taliban as a Pakistan by-product and fears integrating them into the Afghan political fold would jeopardize whatever efforts it is willing to make towards Afghanistan's reconstruction.

Still, the news of a trillion dollars of minerals waiting to be tapped in Afghanistan would have whetted the Indian appetite - more so with Afghanistan reportedly having asked Indian companies to prospect and extract minerals such as copper, lithium, iron ore, gold and precious stones. [3]

But herein lies the rub. A New York Times report by Alissa J Rubin warns that the Laskar-e-Taiba, a "Pakistani-based militant group identified with attacks on targets [in India] has expanded its operations in Afghanistan, inflicting casualties on Afghans and Indians alike, setting up training camps, and adding new volatility to relations between India and Pakistan". [4]

The United States needs to accommodate both Pakistan's and India's interests in Afghanistan, while also trying to tame the Taliban. These complex inter-relationships - and ups and downs like the LSE report - make the likelihood of any US withdrawal most unlikely, let alone showing any progress by December.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 19 Jun 2010 19:46

Even the mild-mannered Irfan Hussain of Dawn has quite a bit of packee-ness in him:

Given this threat perception, defence planners in Rawalpindi would hardly welcome New Delhi’s increasing clout in Kabul, and its billion-dollar aid efforts in our war-ravaged neighbour. The half a dozen Indian consulates on the Pak-Afghan border have obviously raised suspicions.

Thus, the increased level of activity of the Lashkar-e-Taiba in Afghanistan should come as no surprise.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -960-sk-07

But still, as Rumsfeld would say, you deal with the Packees you have, not the Packees you wish you had.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 19:53

Militants free accomplices from Karachi court

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -courts-07

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jun 2010 20:04

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 34#p891034

Briliiant RajeshA Simply Brilliant! C'est magnifique!

This is the high that I get from BRF

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 19 Jun 2010 20:09

Ties with bad guys help get bad guys: Gen Petraeus

WASHINGTON: A four-star US general, while refusing to endorse a London School of Economics report which blames Pakistan for maintaining links with the Afghan Taliban, says that “you have to have contact with bad guys to get intelligence on bad guys”.
When at a congressional hearing on Thursday a lawmaker quoted from the report to support his claim that Pakistan had links to the Afghan Taliban, Gen David Petraeus said: “Well, first of all, I don’t want to imply that I would accept the London School of Economics study or the individual who wrote that for them, his conclusions in all respects.”

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jun 2010 20:19

ajit_tr wrote:Ties with bad guys help get bad guys: Gen Petraeus

“you have to have contact with bad guys to get intelligence on bad guys”.[/b]

That's exactly the Pakistani line all along.