Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010
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Long time ago, I was hanging around on my bicycle waiting for friends before the start of some movie, a man came up and stood very close to me. Pretty soon he started chatting with me. He was a police constable (in mufti) and had placed a bicycle as a bait a few feet away. He wanted to remain within striking distance. During the conversation he told me that he knew all the regulars active with bicycles in that area. Some new guy was stealing the bicyles from that cinema hall and his boss had sent him on this mission (it was circa 1987 and bicyles were an important part of the inventory). Then for some reason he got around to informing me of the kind of contacts he had with various types of criminals and how it was practical from policing point of view. It was quite a revelation to me at that time.
As far as I remember he did not say that he also provides funding to these guys so that they can carry on with their activities. It seems quite logical as the thieves would definitely be earning their dal-roti from stealing and hence do not need any funding. What does one say about the thanedar who is funding the bad guys while allowing them to carry on with their mission? The mission does not provide them with enough for keema-naan certainly.
As far as I remember he did not say that he also provides funding to these guys so that they can carry on with their activities. It seems quite logical as the thieves would definitely be earning their dal-roti from stealing and hence do not need any funding. What does one say about the thanedar who is funding the bad guys while allowing them to carry on with their mission? The mission does not provide them with enough for keema-naan certainly.
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shiv ji,
Thank you for your kind words.
I would like to add, that should India take this up as a psyops project, it is here that all the Najam Sethis, Kamran Shafis, Ardeshir Cowasjeejis can be useful. They need not express these viewpoints themselves. All they need to do, is to partake in the discussions even with a contrary view, but ensure that this Indian view, and hopefully this world view, is reported to the Pakistanis, drop by drop but steadily.
Thank you for your kind words.
I would like to add, that should India take this up as a psyops project, it is here that all the Najam Sethis, Kamran Shafis, Ardeshir Cowasjeejis can be useful. They need not express these viewpoints themselves. All they need to do, is to partake in the discussions even with a contrary view, but ensure that this Indian view, and hopefully this world view, is reported to the Pakistanis, drop by drop but steadily.
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Which "communal card" pakis would stoke that is not already done by INC/SP/CPI/CPM/Majlis/BSP? Whom are we kidding here?shiv wrote: [*]Pakistanis will definitely stoke the communal card that India has assiduously made almost irrelevant over the decades.[/list]
What are these Indian values? And what additional "sexual suppression" is there in Pakistan that is not there in India?The other side of the coin is what Pakistan will get from India. No matter what it gets from India, the biggest threat to Pakistan will be "Indian values". Indian values would make a lot of what Paki mullahs and other have done for decades irrelevant. The average Pakistani male is sexually frustrated being whose main intention abroad is to conquer the kafir woman - because of sexual suppression in Pakistan.
This is all beating around the bush IMHO.
This I agree 100% with... If the objective is to make Pakistanis to become like Indians we don't need open borders. All it takes is exporting Indian Values with force if necessary...For "borders to become irrelevant" our wise men have to decide whether Indians have to become like Pakistanis, or Pakistanis have to become like Indians. Anyone who claims that Indians and Pakistanis are "just the same" - "just people" should really be put against a wall and shot. That degree of ignorance of Pakistan should not be allowed in this day and age.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
Pakistan loses in the World Cup
Machine-made balls cause serious dent to Sialkot football industry
Machine-made balls cause serious dent to Sialkot football industry
With machine-made balls soon taking over the whole market, Pakistan would have to find new work for the '60,000 highly skilled workers'.The penetration of machine-made balls in the international market has caused a serious dent to the Sialkot hand-made soccer industry as the country’s manufacturers grabbed only 30 per cent of the total orders floated globally for the FIFA World Cup, starting from Friday in South Africa. “In the past we have been contributing millions of dollars to the national kitty by exporting footballs but our share in the international market has registered a significant decline, mainly due to the use of machine-made balls for the main events,” Chairman Pakistan Sports Manufacturers and Exporters Association (PSGMEA) Zia-ur-Rehman told APP on phone.
New players in the international market, particularly China, India, Japan and Thailand have posed a real challenge to Pakistan football industry. “Lack of modern technology is the main factor in tilting the balance against the local industry,” Zia asserted.
Only a few years ago around 70 per cent of world soccer balls were prepared in Sialkot and the country on average was exporting 40 million balls worth 210 million dollars produced annually by some 60,000 highly skilled labours. “But for this world cup we have exported around 3.5 million balls worth 5.2 million dollars. Our balls will be offside at the mega event as these will only be used for training and promotional purposes,” Zia said.
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Suppiah wrote: Exactly...as I mentioned earlier, if ordinary journos know it, Unkil surely knows. So the question is what sort of hold that Pakbarian animalistan hold on Unkil to make unkil behave so cuckold? It can't be the India card because Unkil is not so hung up on India...
cant be nukes either because Pakbarian nookes cant hit anywhere near, even assuming they launch them...
gotta be somethin' else...
Could it be that TSPA is extension of American non-state armed forces and TSP is another unsinkable AC like Taiwan?
Imagine the cost to American exchequer to maintain say another 500,000 strong army (at 30% of US army capabilities)...
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Islamism (RajeshA wrote: 1. How to make Islam irrelevant?
2. How to make Islam irrelevant for Pakistanis?
3. How to make Islam, an Islam which fosters hate towards India, irrelevant for Pakistanis?
4. How to make Islam, an Islam which fosters hate towards India, irrelevant for Pakjabis, Mohajirs and Mirpuris, the three groups which define Pakistaniyat, the negation of India?

1 - is existential threat at Civilization level
2 - is strategic competitor in religious realm
3 - is strategic nuisance in social realm
4 - is tactical tool in politics
5 - is tactical partner in armed-conflicts
6 - is a useful non-state actor in harassing one's enemies
So one must use it (by extension Pawkis/Paquistan) in levels 5 and 6.
another 2 paise...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
Cricket may not be a valid topic in here but you know what! Bhajji scored a sixer off the penultimate ball to eliminate pakis from the championship. He did that after an apparent altercation with shoaib.
Now add one more reason why India should act like a big brother and concede matches to Pakistan and walk 50%+ 3.1415926535% of the mean distance between MMS and Kiyani

Now add one more reason why India should act like a big brother and concede matches to Pakistan and walk 50%+ 3.1415926535% of the mean distance between MMS and Kiyani

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
Do you think that by and large the RAPE have the spirit of hard work and enterprise to raise their economy up if India is willing to cooperate? In other words, are all the ingredients there in RAPE except Indian cooperation which will make Pakistan shine on its own?shiv wrote:
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The US is admitting that it cannot support Pakistan's economy and make it shine. The one country that can make a difference to the Pakistan economy is India. India has no incentive to help unless terrorism stops. Pakistan has not shown any inclination to stop terrorism. The US will have to keep supporting the Paki economy forever.
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To help with "brown is beautiful" - brown has to be thought of as bronze, gold, not "wheatish".
This may not be appropriate for this forum, but then maybe it will help people see with different eyes.
http://sareedreams.com/2010/05/i-love-d ... ze-golden/
This may not be appropriate for this forum, but then maybe it will help people see with different eyes.
http://sareedreams.com/2010/05/i-love-d ... ze-golden/
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
The following is true of any country - whenever it is easier to make money by feeding at the public exchequer, the spirit of hard work and enterprise evaporates. If one can take a billion dollar loan from a Pakistani bank, default and have it written off, why do all the hard work needed to run an enterprise?KLNMurthy wrote:Do you think that by and large the RAPE have the spirit of hard work and enterprise to raise their economy up if India is willing to cooperate? In other words, are all the ingredients there in RAPE except Indian cooperation which will make Pakistan shine on its own?
From this point of view, Pakistan is still missing the ingredients needed to shine on its own.
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Rajesh bhai join Shiv .S in his jihad at Paki Liberal discussing life and death matter like Khatme Nabuwat or whatever that is.shiv wrote:http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 34#p891034
Briliiant RajeshA Simply Brilliant! C'est magnifique!
This is the high that I get from BRF
Pawki are like rootless straws of dry grass floating in Kuffar ocean, yea, they can pollute but also be sweeped and thrown away in dump. No effort should be spared to make them realize them being the weak convert, paying homage , worshipping every little thing alien Arabian while Indians are different , achored in their own land containing all the civilizational, spiritual ingredients and not laying prostrate at the outsider's feet. The difference between Indian and Paki is that of one being originator of civilization and other being a convert follower, servant and slave incapable of such mental, social, spirtual achievement . Term Dumb Paki reflect reality and not a sarcasm. Looking at Pawki almost make me appreciate JLN showing middle fingre to Zinna.
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On TSP RAPE & hard work. I have met many a RAPE here in US, who have this charm, but under the hood, are convinced beyond a shadow of doubt, that nature has bestowed on them some inalienable traits compared to SDREs, that by their mere existance, they are entitled to riches and goodies from USA and rest of the world. Don't mean to bring in old bad blood, but there was this similar thinking among Khalistanis during the 80's, and their NRI remnants today, get "independence", and offer USA military bases, and wallah, paradise created. Even among Indians, this thinking that USA has the keys to their success persists, but at least SDREs want a partnership, a technological base in which to pursue their talents. Not like the TSP RAPE thinking, that their mere existance is a boon to the world.
BTW: I did watch that altercation between Akhtar & Harbajan. Seemed pretty intense and the umpire intervened. I mean, it boggles my mind, why are TSP madar%^&*ds so aggressive? Even in the various cities I have lived in US, during cricket games, the only ba$%^ds who are aggressive, always looking for a fight are the Paki choots.
BTW: I did watch that altercation between Akhtar & Harbajan. Seemed pretty intense and the umpire intervened. I mean, it boggles my mind, why are TSP madar%^&*ds so aggressive? Even in the various cities I have lived in US, during cricket games, the only ba$%^ds who are aggressive, always looking for a fight are the Paki choots.
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^^^^
Pakiz have not won a ODI or test match this year.
Pakiz have not won a ODI or test match this year.
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Make something bigger than what Islam is to those Pakis...There many things bigger than Islam. Find out the things hated by their Prophet and Islam and make them bigger. There are two ways to do thatRajeshA wrote: 1. How to make Islam irrelevant?
2. How to make Islam irrelevant for Pakistanis?
3. How to make Islam, an Islam which fosters hate towards India, irrelevant for Pakistanis?
4. How to make Islam, an Islam which fosters hate towards India, irrelevant for Pakjabis, Mohajirs and Mirpuris, the three groups which define Pakistaniyat, the negation of India?
1. Constructive, which leads to betterment.
2. Destructive methods.
One of the constructive methods is empowerment of Woman. Mullahs doesnt like woman lecturing them. It creates two poles within the society. As more people finds the alternative attractive the hold of mullah on the society decreases and there by Islam. But Pakis are pakis, with kind of stick wielding lal masjid sisters, we may not know how they behave.
And there are destrucitve ways...like intersect wars...and like what is currently going on in their land. When Baloch results are not encouraging, let start with Pashtun, that is not giving enough results, then trun to Shias then Ahmaddiyas....so keep creating arrows around the troubles and trouble the troublers. When Islam fights with Islam, where is the time to think abt India.
As long as Saddam fought with Iraq, his eyes was not on Kuwait.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
Sorry OT:
To all those who missed Harbhajan vs shoaib
http://www.cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-3439-7.html
To all those who missed Harbhajan vs shoaib
http://www.cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-3439-7.html
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Kanson,
From what I see the women of Egypt are introspecting more than anyone else. The loss under Islam for them is quite significant. They are more aware than the others. Could be the memory of earlier eras and he monuments still existing.
From what I see the women of Egypt are introspecting more than anyone else. The loss under Islam for them is quite significant. They are more aware than the others. Could be the memory of earlier eras and he monuments still existing.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
Frankly, as much as I like to see us SDREs win against TSP, I hate these matches. Simply because it re-enfroces this notion among TSP's western sponsors, who would not touch TSP with a foot-long pole, but will pompously pontificate on the "great cricket rivalry" between India & TSP, and India's Rajdeeps, Guhas and other colonized-mind infested monkeys will start their propaganda about why India should be bold and go to TSP to play cricket, and by not doing so, denying millions of their love of cricket, and the crap.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
just found..........for young mujahids
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^^plz post the corresponding cover article too
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
What does RAPE stand for?
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satyam wrote:Sorry OT: To all those who missed Harbhajan vs shoaib http://www.cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-3439-7.html
I must have missed this one. What was that argument between Gambhir and Akmal all about? Lots of maa-behn?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
Yes, there were two interesting fights. First between Gambhir and Akmal and the second between Bhajji and Akhtar. The second one was most interesting. There was literally full maa-behn between the latter pair in Punjabi. You should see how Bhajji roared in the end after hitting the six that won us the match. He looked towards Akhtar who was fielding in the deep and roared again.anupmisra wrote:satyam wrote:Sorry OT: To all those who missed Harbhajan vs shoaib http://www.cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-3439-7.html
I must have missed this one. What was that argument between Gambhir and Akmal all about? Lots of maa-behn?
One interesting thing that struck me in the presentation was that how well Indian players speak English compared to Pakis. And another that all of their (pakis') conversations start with a thanks to Allah. It just looks so out of place. Is that (thanking God before starting a conversation) a new phenomenon in Pak's team? Do other Muslim people from other nations behave similarly?
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Joo kuffar, dont joo know what it means to get attracted to Rachel Maddow ?She is hot (at least to me)

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Mayo:
Not to dwell too much on piskology, but at the end, when Bhajji looked towards Akthar and roared, you must have seen Akhtar's reaction. He showed Bhajji the middle finger and asked Bhajji to f$%^k off. This, in my opinion is the difference between TSPians and SDREs. Even in defeat, TSPians retain their natural aggressiveness.
Not to dwell too much on piskology, but at the end, when Bhajji looked towards Akthar and roared, you must have seen Akhtar's reaction. He showed Bhajji the middle finger and asked Bhajji to f$%^k off. This, in my opinion is the difference between TSPians and SDREs. Even in defeat, TSPians retain their natural aggressiveness.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UypZa71jQb0anupmisra wrote:I must have missed this one. What was that argument between Gambhir and Akmal all about? Lots of maa-behn?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
I am not a paki expert just a observant guy but I feel this forum and Indian media in general is concentrating way too much on RAPES as a sample group to feel the pulse of pakistan. RAPES are a tiny miniscule percentage of population of 170 million masses that comprise of todays pakistan. The reason for this is that pakis have one of the lowest literacy rates and the official figures are no where close the ground reality where authorities have counted all people who could identify few alphabets in Urdu or Arabic as literate to inflate figures. So if Cowasjee or the other gang you have mentioned here for a moment writes a passionate article nothing will change on ground.RajeshA wrote:shiv ji,
Thank you for your kind words.
I would like to add, that should India take this up as a psyops project, it is here that all the Najam Sethis, Kamran Shafis, Ardeshir Cowasjeejis can be useful. They need not express these viewpoints themselves. All they need to do, is to partake in the discussions even with a contrary view, but ensure that this Indian view, and hopefully this world view, is reported to the Pakistanis, drop by drop but steadily.
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Rich Anglophone Pakistani Elitedarshhan wrote:What does RAPE stand for?
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Good thinking Brad Goodman.Brad Goodman wrote: I am not a paki expert just a observant guy but I feel this forum and Indian media in general is concentrating way too much on RAPES as a sample group to feel the pulse of pakistan. RAPES are a tiny miniscule percentage of population of 170 million masses that comprise of todays pakistan. The reason for this is that pakis have one of the lowest literacy rates and the official figures are no where close the ground reality where authorities have counted all people who could identify few alphabets in Urdu or Arabic as literate to inflate figures. So if Cowasjee or the other gang you have mentioned here for a moment writes a passionate article nothing will change on ground.
Pakistan is in the shit pit today because the entire world has thought that the RAPE represented all of Pakistan. To the credit of Indian leaders - who have hands on experience in dealing with the "Indian masses" they knew all along that Pakistani leaders (consisting of RAPE) were ignoring the unwashed Abduls.
But RAPE go around the world saying that they repersent all Pakis and suckers like the Americans believe them. In turn millions of English speaking Indians who see the world through American eyes have started seeing the Paki RAPE as representative of Pakistan - "Oh their roads are so good. Their malls are great. They are so friendly. Have you sen Islamabad airport?"
So the RAPE represent a particular problem in the way they have insinuated themselves in the policy making and media apparatus of the US, helping to shore up a positive image of Pakistan and perpetuate an image of India as a nasty race of Hindus, pagans who are raping and killing Muslims for just being Muslim.
The unwashed Abduls of Pakistan have been hidden from public view successfully in a manner that is alien to India, which has always shown its warts openly.
I do not want to see the masses of Pakistan have a better life. They should go down further and have everything replaced by more Islam. That way Pakistan will have 250 million desperate Abduls fighting fo survival. Let the US continue to give the RAPE and army (band)aid. We need to see Pakistan go further down the road to radicalization with the realisation that RAPE, Amrika and China can never rescue them. The entire current bunch of leaders of Pakistan - starting from the army, as well as the US and China need to lose influence. It is fine for India to be seen as weak as long as we give Pakis nothing.
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Did you know that this was the exact attitude of Sinhalese Sri Lankans right up to the early 80s when the LTTE started chewing their asses off. Having said that the SL Tamils were no necessarily much better.CRamS wrote:On TSP RAPE & hard work. I have met many a RAPE here in US, who have this charm, but under the hood, are convinced beyond a shadow of doubt, that nature has bestowed on them some inalienable traits compared to SDREs, that by their mere existance, they are entitled to riches and goodies from USA and rest of the world. Don't mean to bring in old bad blood, but there was this similar thinking among Khalistanis during the 80's,
I believe this has much to do with the fact that India was dubbed a basket case which would not last long and this was the attitude of the West to India after 1947. In the meantime the English speaking elites of Paquistan and Sri Lanka imagined that they came from a different planet and looked on Indian they met abroad as dirty beggars who needed to be sneered at. Besides, for smaller nations a little phoren aid went a long way.
It was only when the least washed of Sri Lankan mangos raised their heads and stared chewing SL's ass that people wised up to the need for cleaning your own bacskide before sneering at India's backside.
The break up of Pakistan gave that wisdom to Bangladesh, but West Packeeland - with its US aid and ummah-sucking survived that and they have yet to figure out that the unwashed mango Abduls do make a difference. the proliferate like rabbits and start acting up unless it becomes a national aim to make their conditions better.
There are two ways to improve and develop a country
1) Education, infrastructure, population control, industrialization
or
2) Let Allah do what he wants with the country
Pakistan has chosen the latter course, I support that course and wish them well.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 20
TSP has to be constantly on the edge of disaster but not actually take the plunge as that would mean millions of fanatic barbaric animals washing up our shores as 'refugees'...that suits us a lot better. As to it going for option 1, that has to wait for present course to run its course and a period of consolidation...which means not in our lifetime nor perhaps in our children's...
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I think they achieve this target by 2030. They will need to import so much food from outside that Pawki will be putting their newborn up for auction in the market to get food for lunch or dinner. No Massa will be able to afford such Munnaland brimming with starved people> starved of all human ingredients but filled with ideological Pakistaniat. All we need to do is that they dont run away from their version of Islam. They must stand as an exseptional example of mental,social spiritual aftermath of convert society without root,soul andshiv wrote: I do not want to see the masses of Pakistan have a better life. They should go down further and have everything replaced by more Islam. That way Pakistan will have 250 million desperate Abduls fighting fo survival. Let the US continue to give the RAPE and army (band)aid. We need to see Pakistan go further down the road to radicalization with the realisation that RAPE, Amrika and China can never rescue them. The entire current bunch of leaders of Pakistan - starting from the army, as well as the US and China need to lose influence. It is fine for India to be seen as weak as long as we give Pakis nothing.
cultural loyalty. Alhamdullah, truck / An 124 load of Bubbly on me when the news hit the web.
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Massa has never supported Abduls. Abduls have been self supporting but under control of RAPE. Massa has only paid RAPE to keep them strong and healthy. That is why RAPE and army behave like whores for massa.Prem wrote: No Massa will be able to afford such Munnaland brimming with starved people
Whenever Abduls got unhappy - India was blamed. Massa was and is still happy to see this. In the long term I would like to see massa learn some new lessons from SDRE teachers.
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Get tough with Pakistan’s army
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... tans_army/THE UNITED States and NATO cannot endure an open-ended military commitment in Afghanistan. But they know — or should know — that there can be no hope of ending the war unless Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency stops arming, funding, and training Afghan insurgent groups.
President Obama must recognize the necessity of persuading Pakistan’s military leaders, who control the ISI, to stop playing a double game with America. This can be done. Washington has valuable carrots to offer and credible threats to make. To succeed, however, Obama must be willing to play hardbal.
Obama’s leverage over Kayani is this same fixation on India. Obama should make a few things clear to the general: that America knows the extent of the ISI’s backing for the Taliban; that Pakistan’s army will not keep getting money and weapons from Washington if it goes on backing groups that kill American soldiers; and that if Pakistan does not end all support for its Taliban proxies, the US will seek India’s assistance in stabilizing Afghanistan.Then, if Kayani makes the right choice, Obama can use America’s growing influence with India to help reduce tensions with Pakistan. This is the key to a stable future for that part of Asia
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Reason: Prem, use the Quote Tag; not the Code tag. This has happened a few times with you.
Reason: Prem, use the Quote Tag; not the Code tag. This has happened a few times with you.
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I recall Mr. Obama making the following assertion in Sep. 2008 during the election debates: "...if Islamabad is ‘unable or unwilling’ to take militants out, then the US should go after the targets into Pakistan. " , for which his opponent John McCain replied, " You don`t say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things... "Prem wrote:Get tough with Pakistan’s armyhttp://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... tans_army/THE UNITED States and NATO cannot endure an open-ended military commitment in Afghanistan. But they know — or should know — that there can be no hope of ending the war unless Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency stops arming, funding, and training Afghan insurgent groups.
President Obama must recognize the necessity of persuading Pakistan’s military leaders, who control the ISI, to stop playing a double game with America. This can be done. Washington has valuable carrots to offer and credible threats to make. To succeed, however, Obama must be willing to play hardbal.
Whatever happened to that bravado.
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shhh..Sridhar - don't say that loud. Only Indian politicians say things for the votes. In America they mean business. Nobody plays to vote banks.SSridhar wrote:
I recall Mr. Obama making the following assertion in Sep. 2008 during the election debates: "...if Islamabad is ‘unable or unwilling’ to take militants out, then the US should go after the targets into Pakistan. " , for which his opponent John McCain replied, " You don`t say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things... "
Whatever happened to that bravado.
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But Obama was all about "Change". Here is his viceroy patting Pawki puttars.
US says nothing to do with Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline ( Iran Sanctions have Paki exception ?)
US says nothing to do with Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline ( Iran Sanctions have Paki exception ?)
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=17059ISLAMABAD, June 19: US special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke Saturday said Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project is Pakistan’s internal matter which has nothing to do with the US. “Extending support to Pakistan in energy sector is the top priority of the US,” Holbrooke told a joint news conference with Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi. He said Al Qaeda's network had been severely degraded by joint U.S.-Pakistani efforts. A few hours before Richard Holbrooke spoke, a U.S. drone killed 12 militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan region on the Afghan border which Washington says is used by the Afghan Taliban to attack U.S.-led NATO troops in Afghanistan. "The al Qaeda network has been severely degraded in recent years in efforts that both our countries work on," he said. Asked whom he would hold responsible if al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and the Afghan Taliban chief, Mullah Mohammad Omar, were hiding somewhere along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, Holbrooke demurred. "Many of their associates have been apprehended or killed. Even those two people ... are still at large but they are under intense pressure," he said.
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TFTA Pawki or Pacquis -- on a Talibanic vacation in Afghanistan are going to get a massive "tan"
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/06 ... fghanistan


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/06 ... fghanistan
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Canada’s National Post on the “religiously motivated revenge killings” in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that has pitted Sunni Muslim motorcycle borne assassins against Shia Muslim motorcycle borne assassins and vice versa.
The National Post reports that Muslim on Muslim violence pitting the Sunni’s against the Shia’s and ethnic violence pitting Muslim Mohajirs against Muslim Pathan / Pushtun has apparently claimed 21 lives over the past fortnight in Karachi.
For a country claimed to have been formed as a safe haven for the Muslim’s of the Indian sub-continent Islam certainly does not seem to act as a binding glue and indeed goes to the other extreme of actually fuelling blood letting:
Drive-by killings rock Pakistan
Canada’s National Post on the “religiously motivated revenge killings” in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that has pitted Sunni Muslim motorcycle borne assassins against Shia Muslim motorcycle borne assassins and vice versa.
The National Post reports that Muslim on Muslim violence pitting the Sunni’s against the Shia’s and ethnic violence pitting Muslim Mohajirs against Muslim Pathan / Pushtun has apparently claimed 21 lives over the past fortnight in Karachi.
For a country claimed to have been formed as a safe haven for the Muslim’s of the Indian sub-continent Islam certainly does not seem to act as a binding glue and indeed goes to the other extreme of actually fuelling blood letting:
Drive-by killings rock Pakistan