chiru wrote:rahul OT alert ...i know kumarG im speakin to him now ...its a small misunderstanding onlee SHIV saaar please ignore this guys he is just a third your age please cease and desist ill ask him not to post trivial stuff ,as per BR standards
Thanks for the link. I was under the impression that 117s used 3D TVC nozzles.chiru wrote:gaur saar i too was surprised but it has the al-31 nozzle here is my proofGaur wrote:^^
No, PAK-FA is using 117S as its interim engine and 117S has full 3d TVC.
http://frontierindia.net/npo-saturn-fin ... -for-su-35A provision has been made for using the thrust vector control nozzle similar to that of the AL-31FP
the 3D TVC will come with the fifth gen engine ...the only 3D tvc is used by Klimov, saturn does not hav a production 3D tvc nozzle including the 117S
Russian aircraft holding Sukhoi has no plans to sign additional agreements creating a joint venture with its Indian partners in the production of a fifth-generation fighter, the general director said on Friday.
Russian Sukhoi holding and Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation stealth fighter jet.
Sukhoi head Mikhail Pogosyan had said that an additional agreement would be signed specifying the Indian role in the project, but on Friday he said that the Russian company hoped work would begin soon without any such deal.
"We don't plan to sign a joint venture. We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," Pogosyan said.
He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement.
"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs," Pogosyan said. "At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture."
Earlier, HAL was reported to be seeking a 25% share in design and development in the project.
"We don't plan to sign a joint venture. We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," Pogosyan said.
He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement.
"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs," Pogosyan said. "At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture."
Austin wrote: "We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs," Pogosyan said. "At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture."
see btwn 2:16 to 2:24 with respect to ground reference. As if the plane is stand still. The speed is so low. Is it testing air breaks?shukla wrote:Live demo.. PAK-FA test flight in Siberia.. (Apologies if posted earlier)
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Awesome..
ZHUKOVSKY, June 17 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's fifth generation fighter will be about three times as cheap as its foreign analog, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.
He observed the test flight of a prototype fighter and later talked to the pilot, Sergei Bogdan.
"It will be a machine superior to our main competitor, the F-22, in maneuverability, armament and range," Putin said.
"Also in morale," the pilot added.
"Above all else," Putin said smiling.
Bogdan said it was the fighter's 16th test flight and more would follow shortly.
The prime minister said 30 billion rubles (around $1 billion) had already been spent on the project and another 30 billion would be required to complete it, after which the engine, weaponry and other components would be upgraded.
He said, factoring in modernization and upgrades, the fighter will have a service life of 30-35 years.
Nothing about stealth capability?Austin wrote:Russia's 5G fighter to be '3 times cheaper than foreign analogs
"It will be a machine superior to our main competitor, the F-22, in maneuverability, armament and range," Putin said.
Belongs in Newbie thread...as far as speed goes....it's all perspective (a plane can not slow down below the stall point in any case), as far as I can tell there is no deployment of air brakes at all.mukul_chou wrote:see btwn 2:16 to 2:24 with respect to ground reference. As if the plane is stand still. The speed is so low. Is it testing air breaks?shukla wrote:Live demo.. PAK-FA test flight in Siberia.. (Apologies if posted earlier)
Awesome..
any thoughts and clarification?
Yet another indication of 2 internal guns in pak fa... Looks like russians firmly believe with advent of stealth, all the BVR will be ineffective leading into dogfights where 2 guns will be beneficial.. Just my 2 cents....to be armed with next-generation air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles,
- and has two 30-mm cannons...
Mukul, the plane might have slowed down and might be checking it's stall speed. But there were no signs of air brakes being deployed.mukul_chou wrote: see btwn 2:16 to 2:24 with respect to ground reference. As if the plane is stand still. The speed is so low. Is it testing air breaks?
any thoughts and clarification?
Looks like they are going to buy in stages.. If the comments are anything to go by, they are buying 'at least' 50 in the 1st stage..NRao wrote:India wants 250 FGFA? And Russia only 50ish? That too ad 1/3rd the price of Western ACs? Something does not add up.
The title of that article is tad misleading.."At the first stage, there will be dozens of planes, more than 50"
Me toonukavarapu wrote:
I personally believe that the twin seat FGFA will be significantly different than single seat PAK-FA with some commonalities like Radar, Engines and Avionics.
. Can't think of a two person cockpit on this air frame straight away. Wouldn't dropping the nose as in the su-30MKI increases RCS?http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/06/17/10042740.html (Video link on the page as well)“The T-50 is capable of making manoeuvers at any engine regime,” says Anatoly Kornukov. “In fact, not all jets can do so. There is a concept known as the acceptable minimum speed, which is the lowest for this jet. For one, Sukhoi-27 can fly at the speed of a car, which is something that Americans have yet to achieve. They cannot keep the plane flying at large attack angles without draft. The Russian plane can do this. This is good for dodging and manoeuvering. The jet is unlike to wage a close fight, and this will do so at medium or long ranges. Firstly, a long-range missile will be launched and then a short-range one will be fired. When all missiles have been launched, the cannon will be used. In this case, the most manoeuverable plane can attack from the back,” Anatoly Kornukov said.
In fact, super- maneouverability is one of the key tasks set by the American Defence Department before the designers. The T-50 fighter jet can hardly be detected by radars, and it is also impossible to locate by its heat emissions. This has been achieved by using composite materials and special coating, and a special design of the plane and measures aimed at lowering the jet’s visibility at various frequencies. When T-50 made its maiden flight in January, foreign military experts said that the U.S. monopoly on stealth was over. According to experts, American F-35 has problems competing with Russia’s Su-35 whose radius of radar reflection is the size of a tennis ball. Most likely, T-50 has a much smaller area than this.
T-50 fighter jet will complete its test programme by 2015, says the head of the Sukhoi Company, Mikhail Pogosyan. “I believe that experience gained by the company in developing the Su-30 and Su-35 fighter jets will be a good basis for promoting the programme successfully,” Mikhail Pogosyan said.
Vishal, how did you deduce that this is the second airframe?Vishal Jolapara wrote:The second airframe.
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I agree. They will f it up again. Only India engages in this type of sillyness of allowing itself to be extorted.Pratyush wrote:I just got a cold shiver upon reading that India & Russia will develop the FGFA without an extra agreement. Considering what has happened with the Ghorshkov deal.
Hi,indranilroy wrote:Vishal, how did you deduce that this is the second airframe?
AFAIK, the second prototype was supposed to fly in the third quarter of this year, so this is a very welcome move!Vishal Jolapara wrote:Hi,indranilroy wrote:Vishal, how did you deduce that this is the second airframe?
i concluded that since reg'n # 51 (the first frame) was painted as back as April 2010 - http://www.airliners.net/photo/1699085/L/
therefore, this one has to be the second since the photo was shot on May 28th 2010 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/yellow01/4648196728/ (see bottom right)
Let me email a few Russian Photographer friends about it, incase i'm wrong
one can see many similar features in the airframes of these two jet fighters. This reinforces the potential that the new Sukhoi T-50 Russian jet may be a formidable opponent to the F-22. The T-50 is a joint project between Russia, India and Israel.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6447Russia plans on building 150 to 200 for their own national defense. India is committed to buying 200 and will begin to take delivery by 2015. How many Israel will buy remains unknown.
Gosh, what a load of garbage the finish is. Just check out the trouser fairing of the engine , the dark part towards the aft which seems wrapped in some kind of plastic.Vishal Jolapara wrote:The second airframe.
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.. Chi- chi.. What poor design. The Mig 21s and the Mig 29s are surely better designed. They dont need the "carrots" and "fat actuators" kind of fences to control span wise flow and shock. 
.. Couldn't they have a nice Natasha like waisted fuselage and area ruling rather than put bumps and fairings and other ah.. "protuberances" all over the place ?Right.. How can anyone so much as dare question the equipment that comes out of The Rodina . Of course it is immaculately conceived and hence perfect in every sense and also "scientific" and all that balder dash. If you don't believe me, ask Messrs P. Karat & Co. Anything to do with the Rodina is beyond reproach. If anyone so much as talks about V. I Lenin , who is justifiably beyond Human Reproach, Messrs P. Karat & Co, will have to come out swinging to defend the fair name and honor of the RodinaSanku wrote:Folks, a small reminder, the way to show your angst at morons who make idiotic comments against Indian equipment is NOT to use their strategy in other places. Just lowers the overall standard.
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