Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Jun 2010 07:58

Is Pakistan a failed state? No.

BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no

This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Jun 2010 08:01

General Petraeus's reality
BY SHUJA NAWAZ

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... ss_reality

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Jun 2010 08:03

Shuja Nawaz briefed Petraeus on FATA and his report refers to India/Kashmir many times.

From the article posted above:

http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/Doc ... ta_web.pdf

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Jun 2010 08:15

x-post from Af-Pak thread:

Sanjay M wrote:Pakistan Is Said to Pursue a Foothold in Afghanistan

Pakistan is exploiting the troubled United States military effort in Afghanistan to drive home a political settlement with Afghanistan that would give Pakistan important influence there but is likely to undermine United States interests, Pakistani and American officials said.

Good article. US is in trouble because favouring TSP to "balance" India is one of the tenets of its Asia policy. Now TSP has a nuke reactor deal with PRC, and is shutting US out of Afghanistan. Karzai is basically bending with the wind.

Time for the US to reflect on its many sins. As far as India is concerned the stand taken by Russia and the CARs will be crucial. Probably the best option would be for Karzai to get enough support from wherever so as to avoid a complete sell-out to TSP.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2010 08:41

Kanishka bombing & Pakistan

In the months to come, the commission's findings could conceivably help Indian diplomats persuade Pakistan to hand over key figures linked to the Flight 182 perpetrators, like the Babbar Khalsa International chief Wadhawa Singh Babbar and International Sikh Youth Federation leader Lakhbir Singh Brar.

Many members of Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) including its chief Ranjit Singh Neeta took refuge in Lahore and continue to operate from there. It also includes Paramjit Singh Panjawar, the chief of Khalistan Commando Force (KCF), who lives in Pakistan, runs terrorist training camps and actively plans and excutes terror strikes in India. Similarly, leaders of the Babbar Khalsa International and International Sikh Youth Federation who were involved in the assassination of the Punjab Chief Minister, Beant Singh, took refuge in Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2010 08:47

Pakistan pledges support as China turns the screw on Xinjiang

In a week when much of the attention has been on Pakistan securing controversial support from China in the way of two nuclear reactors, Islamabad has announced a significant stepping-up of its cooperation with Beijing on tackling terrorism — one of the few areas where the “all-weather” friends have not always seen eye to eye.

The two countries on Thursday announced they will conduct a joint terror drill to coincide with the sensitive one-year anniversary of deadly riots in China's far western Muslim-majority Xinjiang region, which borders Pakistan. The drill, named “Friendship 2010”, will be conducted between July 1 and 11 in north-western Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, officials at China's Ministry of Defence said.

While the joint terror drill will be the third of its kind, it has assumed particular significance because of its timing. Thursday's announcement followed last week's visit to Beijing of Pakistani General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, during which the two countries reaffirmed their strategic and security ties. The Pakistani General is understood to have pledged greater support to China in tackling terror, though his visit was overshadowed by attention on China's controversial agreement to set up two nuclear reactors in Pakistan.

The terror drill in Ningxia will also take place against the backdrop of heightened security in Xinjiang, as the region prepares to mark one year after the worst ethnic unrest in the People's Republic of China's history.

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Jun 2010 11:27

Rebecca Winthrop and Corinne Graff of Brookings on the hate filled education system of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan titled “Beyond Madrasas : Assessing The Links Between Education And Militancy In Pakistan”

Some excerpts.

Even while India is successfully denting our illiteracy problem the failure of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in the education field is so great that it is one of the few countries in which the absolute population of illiterates is increasing:

There are currently 47 million illiterate adults in Pakistan, a number that is expected to increase to nearly 50 million by 2015, making Pakistan one of the few countries in the world in which the illiterate population is growing. In contrast, India’s illiterate population is expected to decrease by more than 8 million by 2015

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s education system fosters hate for India:

Madrasa education fosters worldviews more generally that make students more supportive of violence, especially violence against India.

India’s counter insurgency programme requires that Pakistani Islamic Terrorists, unlike in Pakistan and Afghanistan need greater levels of education. This means that India’s problems is not caused by the Islamic Republics madrassa education sector but rather the so called “non religious” / “secular” education system:

Suicide bombers in Afghanistan and the tribal areas tend to be young, illiterate and poor, and were recruited by the Taliban in local madrasas. Suicide attacks conducted by the less-skilled attackers in Afghanistan are less lethal than in other theaters. By contrast, attacks carried out by Kashmiri groups in India require significantly better-trained recruits who are unlikely to have been found in a madrasa.

From an Indian perspective, the more the Islamic Republic of Pakistan educates its own citizens, the greater India’s problems with Pakistani fomented Islamic terrorism given that education exposes individuals for a greater time to a curriculum that fosters hate for India:

……………… the number of years spent in school seems to have no impact on support for Al Qaeda, with which the Pakistani public is least familiar, and on Kashmir-related militancy. One study suggests that support of Kashmir-related groups is tied to the quality of education, and particularly, he narrow anti-India worldview that is reflected in the curriculum and in textbooks, hypothesizing that the longer students are in school the more they are exposed to this perspective.

Hatred for India permeates the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s education system and encompasses both the Islamic education madrasa sector so called “non religious” / “secular” education system:

…………….while intolerance and sectarianism in Pakistan’s madrasas runs high, public schools do not fare much better. His study, based on surveys of students at different types of schools, shows that although the worldviews of students in madrasas tend to be the most radical and least tolerant, public school students exhibit similar tendencies, with students in elite English-medium private schools faring much better. When asked whether Pakistan “should take Kashmir away from India by open war,” only 26 percent of children in private schools answered “yes,” as compared with 40 percent of those in public schools, and 60 percent of madrasa students.Likewise, when asked whether “Pakistan should take Kashmir away from India by supporting Jihadi groups to fi ght with the Indian army,” 22 percent of private school students answered “yes,” as compared with 33 percent of public school students and 53 percent of students enrolled in religious seminaries.

The full text of the Brookings report is available at the below web link:

Beyond Madrasas : Assessing The Links Between Education And Militancy In Pakistan

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Jun 2010 15:38

X Posted. No part of the world seems to be immune from the unwelcome attentions of citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan out to indulge in a spot of Islamic terrorism.

Two citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, one of whom is a “wanted international terrorist”, arrested while trying to exit Zimbabwe for South Africa with fraudulent Kenyan passports :

Zim holds 'terrorists' at SA border

25/06/2010 00:00:00
by Staff Reporter

ZIMBABWE says it has arrested two suspected terrorists trying to enter South Africa, raising new fears of a terror plot against the ongoing FIFA World Cup.

The state-run Herald newspaper reported Friday that the two men were Pakistani nationals, one of them a “wanted international terrorist”.

The newspaper said the men were seized on Sunday at the Beitbridge border where Zimbabwe and South Africa are operating a joint command post for the duration of the World Cup which runs until July 11.

“It is understood that the two flew from Saudi Arabia to Tanzania where they fraudulently acquired Kenyan passports before connecting to Zimbabwe by road,” the Herald reported, citing police sources. …………………………

New Zimbabwe

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2010 16:23

^^^
http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/5495.html

"One of the suspects is believed to be a well-known terrorist who is usually based in Santiago," one official said.

Santiago is the capital city of Chile.

Who might that be?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2010 16:30

A_Gupta wrote:
"One of the suspects is believed to be a well-known terrorist who is usually based in Santiago," one official said.
Who might that be?

That might be the same man they arrested in Santiago recently smelling explosives all over but released for lack of evidence.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 25 Jun 2010 16:46

India-Pak talks being held under duress from the US: Hamid Gul

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... l/99271/on

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jun 2010 17:01

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/world ... mabad.html

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan is exploiting the troubled United States military effort in Afghanistan to drive home a political settlement with Afghanistan that would give Pakistan important influence there but is likely to undermine United States interests, Pakistani and American officials said.
...
Pakistan is presenting itself as the new viable partner for Afghanistan to President Hamid Karzai, who has soured on the Americans. Pakistani officials say they can deliver the network of Sirajuddin Haqqani, an ally of Al Qaeda who runs a major part of the insurgency in Afghanistan, into a power-sharing arrangement.

In addition, Afghan officials say, the Pakistanis are pushing various other proxies, with General Kayani personally offering to broker a deal with the Taliban leadership.
...
Though encouraged by Washington, the thaw heightens the risk that the United States will find itself cut out of what amounts to a separate peace between the Afghans and Pakistanis, and one that does not necessarily guarantee Washington’s prime objective in the war: denying Al Qaeda a haven.

It also provides another indication of how Pakistan, ostensibly an American ally, has worked many opposing sides in the war to safeguard its ultimate interest in having an Afghanistan that is pliable and free of the influence of its main strategic obsession, its more powerful neighbor, India.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Jun 2010 17:13

abhishek_sharma wrote:Shuja Nawaz briefed Petraeus on FATA and his report refers to India/Kashmir many times.

From the article posted above:

http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/Doc ... ta_web.pdf

I just scanned thro the document with a ctrl F to see in what context Kashmir was used. I did not see a single objectionable statement in there. 4 times Kashmir was mentioned as place where tribal militants from FATA were deployed by ISI (admission of terror) Once mentioning as pakis view India's presence in FATA as conspiracy to pay back for Kashmir & Once in historical perspective for 1948 Jinnah & tribal lashkar war with India. Not sure what I missed here.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2010 17:19

arun wrote:
The full text of the Brookings report is available at the below web link:

Beyond Madrasas : Assessing The Links Between Education And Militancy In Pakistan

Many thanks for posting. I have archived a copy for myself.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 25 Jun 2010 17:35

RajeshA wrote:For the sake of discussion, a simplification of the whole issue of Pakistani terrorism in India:

TSPA & Co. conduct and support terrorism in India to increase their H&D.

If India yelps, India helps. If India growls, then it is not even a bark. If India prepares, India invites all the sundry to come visit Kashmir. If India attacks, nukes go online.

So if somebody can think of a way, that any terrorist activity in India causes TSPA & Co. to lose H&D without the risk of a nuclear exchange, then one would have found a solution to this knotted problem.

Hint: Spoiling Pakistan's image in the West as a country of terrorists, has no correlation with Pakistan's H&D.

I suppose that this has been discussed before, India's salvation lies in the break up of Pak. We need to actively support insurgency inside Pak. Balochistan must be created. The talibs should be promised support in removal of the durrand line. The more they fight amongst themselves, the less time they devote to India. Further break up of Pak, will destroy paki H&D. They still have not recovered from 1971. Fighting pakis directly has higher costs.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 25 Jun 2010 17:56

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Pakistani ATC finds the 5 American Muslims guilty and sentences them to 10 years each

Look at the speed. Case filed and wrapped up within 3 months. When it comes to Pakistani terrorists, the courts invariably find 'no evidence' or 'technical flaws' and they are released.
This is a clear kick in the US's echandee. "Your boys come here. We catch 'em and sentence 'em. How can you ever accuse us of being lax" I suppose it helps that the 5 are not white boys. What a sham.

I think the US would have wanted this outcome... and the pakis obliged. Pakis look tough on terror, and the US gets rid of scum.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Jun 2010 18:00

TSPA is tough when such non state actors are caught but when state sponsored guys like Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azar, OBL, Omar, KSM, Photo chor Khan are involved it will drag its feet

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2010 18:01

Will satisfy Chidambaram on Prof. Hafeez Saeed's case: Rehman Malik

Hours before his meeting with Home Minister P Chidambaram, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik today said he will “satisfy” the Indian leader on the issue of JuD chief Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of the 26/11 attacks.

Mr. Malik, who will host Mr. Chidambaram later in the day here, said “instead of exchanging dossiers” the two countries should “exchange hearts“.

“Hafiz Saeed is an issue. And we will also satisfy Mr Chidambaram on that. We have no problem in that,” Mr. Malik told an Indian television channel, when asked about India’s insistence to discuss about Saeed.

“I will welcome him to Pakistan. Let us be friends.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Jun 2010 18:07

Pakistan drawing Chinese tourists to cross-fire LOC areas in PoK

Only tourists interested in visiting LOC are the East Turkestan Freedom Fighters and they dont need any tourism ministry advertisement to show up.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2010 18:46

Time for TFT folks

Such gup

“I back Zak”

Zak Goldsmith, brother of Jemima, formerly Mrs Imran Khan, has won a seat in the recent elections to the British parliament. Zak was a ticket-holder of the Conservative party and his mother, Lady Annabel Goldsmith and sister Jemima Khan both campaigned for him. When her brother won, Jemima tweeted, “I’ve participated in a total of four election campaigns. This is the first victory. My curse as the unluckiest mascot has been broken”. She was referring to her ex-husband’s failure to win elections in Pakistan, and also perhaps her late father’s one failed attempt at the hustings. Our mole says the family worked very hard during the campaign. They all wore badges which said, “I back Zak”. Surprisingly, our own Great Khan also campaigned for his former brother-in-law, and his friends say he was instrumental in garnering for him the desi vote in the constituency. While Zak’s environmental policies are interesting, someone should tell the Great Khan that his candidate isn’t exactly averse to the Zionist enterprise of Israel and their backers the Americans, entities against whom the Khan routinely raves and rants in Pakistan.

Paradise Lover

Ever wondered why the federal min, whose lyrical name is Paradise Lover (that is the Pakistani Population Welfare Minister Ms. Firdous Awan Ashiq), was so keen to facilitate the cricketer-tennis star union? Our mole tells us that she and the cricketer’s family are fast friends, and that the bond between her and the player’s brother-in-law is one of mutual benefit. This gent, it is said, is Sialkot’s biggest bookie and very successful at his job, he is. Lately, our mole reports, Paradise Lover is under a cloud because she’s been accused of match fixing in league with the very same bookie. The Poor Constantly Complaining Board (PCB) suspects that Paradise Lover has been up to no good in the past and has done the same this time, in league with the player/s and his relative, during the recent Sri Lanka-Pakistan match which we lost.

Mulling it over

A fly on the wall heard Canny and a Yankee khaki Mulling it over. The Yankee khaki said he and his colleagues were keen for Canny to extend his stay. To this we hear Canny said, thanks much but there’s no point in extending my stay for one year, could you please make it two? Sure they can, but then let’s not complain about Pakistan’s lack of sovereignty.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jun 2010 18:56

Nuggets

America will disable Pakistan!

Famous columnist Irfan Siddiqi wrote in Jang that America was at the point of leaving Afghanistan after disabling Pakistan as a state. Its prime objective is not flying its flag on the high mountains of Afghanistan but to rob Pakistan of its nuclear power. Gori Shahzadi (Hilary Clinton) is threatening Pakistan and should be seen in this context. India, Israel and America are weaving a net for Pakistan and the UK is going to be a ‘beater’ driving Pakistan into it.

Qazi Sahib’s advice

Writing in Jang Anwar Ghazi said that Qazi Hussain Ahmad visited his home and told him Pakistan was doomed to be engulfed in terrorism because of the wrong decision Musharraf made to become America’s frontline partner. Qazi said Pakistan should abandon America and instead link up with rising (ubharta hua) China and awakening (angrai leta hua) Russia.

PM Azad Kashmir versus Chief Editor

Writing in Jinnah Chief Editor Khushnood Ali Khan stated that Prime Minister Azad Kashmir Raja Farooq Haider had accused him of spreading government propaganda against him. Raja Farooq also said that unlike Khushnood, his father was not in the army, hinting that state media was used against AJK PM through a man (Khushnood) whose father was naib subedar.

Sardar Farooq versus state security

Daily Jinnah wrote that PM Azad Kashmir Raja Farooq was being defiant (ankhain dikha rahe) against the very agencies who had helped him become prime minister of AJK. Raja Farooq had caused a feud between the Rajputs and others by inducting his Rajput relatives into institutions in his control and had been disloyal to the family of Sardar Qayyum of his party who had been his benefactors.

Sardar Farooq, brave man!

Writing in Jang Haroon Rashid stated that AJK PM Sardar Farooq was a brave man in whose breast Allah had sowed no fear. PM Gilani and his AJK adviser Manzoor Wattoo had bowed to security reasons to side with Justice Riaz Chaudhry who was elevated through dubious means that no lawyer in AJK liked. Sardar Farooq proved too tough to subdue so that the powers that be finally agreed to fire the elevated judge as well as the restored judge. Sardar Farooq got Justice Manzur to agree to retire 25 days before the due date to complete the ‘security’ manoeuvre.

Azad Kashmir ‘sensitive’ area

Chief Editor Khushnood Ali Khan wrote in Jinnah that Sardar Farooq was wrong in ignoring the security aspect of AJK. People who cross Wahga border in Lahore are in the eyes of the security agencies but in Azad Kashmir anyone crosses the LoC has to be cleared by three security agencies before a permit is issued. Sardar Farooq issued orders that a permit from the said agencies was not required.

Hindu husband didn’t become Muslim

Famous actress Nur was quoted by daily Pakistan as saying that she was seeking a divorce from his Hindu husband Vikram because he had gone back to being Hindu after marrying her on the pledge of remaining Muslim. She said now he was pressuring her to turn Hindu. She has claimed her big dowry back from him too.

Hillary Clinton – ‘Safed Daayen’

Writing ion daily Islam Khawar Chaudhry stated that the Safed Daayen (White Witch) of America Hillary Clinton had said that Pakistani officials knew where Osama bin Laden was and has complained that Pakistan was not doing enough. The truth is that Pakistan is shedding blood (khoon ki nadiyan) to please America but Chitti Chamri (White Skin) was not pleased.

Christians and Jews are enemies!

According to Jang the Friday sermons in Lahore had the top clerics saying that Yuhood-o-Nasara could not be the friends of Muslims. Hafiz Said of Ahle Hadith Jamaatud Dawa at his Masjid Qadisiya said that the Prophet PBUH was the only superpower in the world, and the Jews and Christians were the enemies. The same message was given by Ahle Hadith leader Ibtisam Ilahi Zaheer. This was followed by Maulana Amjad Muhammad Amjad at Jamia Rehmaniya in Lahore.

Taliban are in Jhang!

Reported in Jang contrary to claims by the PMLN government and law minister Punjab Rana Sanaullah, Jhang was the centre-point of the Taliban in Punjab and South Punjab. The police in Jhang in defiance of IG Punjab - who is from Jhang - has filed an FIR against Dr Imran of Jaish Muhammad who had played host to a notorious Taliban terrorist Abdus Samad. The leader was also holding regular meetings with the terrorists in an under-construction madrassa in Ahmadpur Sial. Funds for the terrorists are being collected in Jhang and youths trained and sent out to commit terrorism

No Arabic, please!

Head of the International Khatm-e-Nabuwwat Conference Sahibzada Zahid Mehmud Qasimi complained to daily Nawa-e-Waqt that after the government cancelled the Arabic compulsory course in schools, thousands of teachers of Arabic were without jobs. He said the religious parties were united but the political parties - although separated - were both hostile to the religious parties. He said Nawaz Sharif during his sojourn in Saudi Arabia had started learning Arabic.

A record of artistic polygamy

Daily Jinnah reported that Pakistani artists were given to marrying more than once. Nur Jehan married Shaukat Rizvi, Actor Ijaz, Yusuf Kan and Captain Ijaz. Salma Agha married Mehmood Sipra, Javed Sheikh, Rehmat Khan and Manzar Latif. Mehdi Hasan and Ustad Salamat Ali took two wives. So did Inyat Hussain Bhatti including actress Khanum. Adnan Sami married Zeba Bakhtyar then went on to wed an Afghan and a Nigerian. Singer Afshan married Ghulam Ali, Masud Butt and Abbas Rahi. Azra Jahan married Tafoo, Umid Ali and Zulfikar Ali. Ghulam Ali was married twice.

TV anchor has cold feet

Reported in daily Islam the TV anchor of a channel was holding discussions with Ahmadis and was asked to include the anti-Ahmadi clerics too. The TV anchor was Qadiani-pasand but when he got to know that a grand scholar of Khatm-e-Nabuwwat was on his to the studio he got cold feet and cancelled the show.

Lakhwi will be out soon!

According to Jarrar, Lashkar Tayba terrorist undergoing trial in Pakistan Zakiur Rehman Lakhwi will be let off by the court because the Indian court had acquitted two Indian terrorists Fahim Ansari and Sabahuddin in the trial of Ajmal Kasab. (Lashkar Jhangvi terrorists Akram Lahori and Malik Ishaq are said to be all set to be released from jails in Pakistan.)

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 25 Jun 2010 19:50

Sanjay Dutt appeals to the world to unite against Terrorism

http://www.webnewswire.com/node/546293

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2010 20:06

satyam wrote:India-Pak talks being held under duress from the US: Hamid Gul

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... l/99271/on

If that is true, then Gulbul better hope US never leaves Af-Pak, for they (TSP) are toast if there isn't a US presence around them to inhibit Indian reaction.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Jun 2010 20:08

satyam wrote:Sanjay Dutt appeals to the world to unite against Terrorism

http://www.webnewswire.com/node/546293

What is he going to do for that distribute AK47 received from his friend Dawood & Shakeel as gifts?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2010 20:09

SSridhar wrote:Will satisfy Chidambaram on Prof. Hafeez Saeed's case: Rehman Malik
Hours before his meeting with Home Minister P Chidambaram, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik today said he will “satisfy” the Indian leader on the issue of JuD chief Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of the 26/11 attacks.

Mr. Malik, who will host Mr. Chidambaram later in the day here, said “instead of exchanging dossiers” the two countries should “exchange hearts“.

“Hafiz Saeed is an issue. And we will also satisfy Mr Chidambaram on that. We have no problem in that,” Mr. Malik told an Indian television channel, when asked about India’s insistence to discuss about Saeed.

“I will welcome him to Pakistan. Let us be friends.

As it Fridin, in the language of Nuggets:

How can this exchange of hearts take place when one who has no heart? Already TSP abduls are getting heart transplants in India.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jun 2010 20:18

Brad Goodman wrote:
satyam wrote:Sanjay Dutt appeals to the world to unite against Terrorism

http://www.webnewswire.com/node/546293
What is he going to do for that distribute AK47 received from his friend Dawood & Shakeel as gifts?

I was in Bombay when this moron was caught. He is a fundamentalist without question. I remember articles and news from those days about his fundo views and ways.

To save his butt he has camouflaged his public outlook.

A leopard can never change his spots.

The public is foolish to fall for his taqiyya nonsense.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jun 2010 20:20

abhishek_sharma wrote:Is Pakistan a failed state? No.

BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no

This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.

Just to keep things in perspective: C. CHRISTINE FAIR is the same worthy who openly and publicly insinuated that India was supporting anti-Pakistan terrorism in Baluchistan.

http://independentindian.com/2009/04/27 ... imed-asap/

This is what Dr Fair said at that gathering on this topic (emphasis added):

“I think it would be a mistake to completely disregard Pakistan’s regional perceptions due to doubts about Indian competence in executing covert operations. That misses the point entirely. And I think it is unfair to dismiss the notion that Pakistan’s apprehensions about Afghanistan stem in part from its security competition with India. Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan. Kabul has encouraged India to engage in provocative activities such as using the Border Roads Organization to build sensitive parts of the Ring Road and use the Indo-Tibetan police force for security. It is also building schools on a sensitive part of the border in Kunar–across from Bajaur. Kabul’s motivations for encouraging these activities are as obvious as India’s interest in engaging in them. Even if by some act of miraculous diplomacy the territorial issues were to be resolved, Pakistan would remain an insecure state. Given the realities of the subcontinent (e.g., India’s rise and its more effective foreign relations with all of Pakistan’s near and far neighbors), these fears are bound to grow, not lessen. This suggests that without some means of compelling Pakistan to abandon its reliance upon militancy, it will become ever more interested in using it — and the militants will likely continue to proliferate beyond Pakistan’s control.”

Building roads and schools and using ITBP to guard our workers against Paki terrorists, is a provocative anti-Pakistan action, and it is India's engagement in Afghanistan that is the real reason for terrorism coming out of Pakistan... according to C. CHRISTINE FAIR.

In terms of Pakistaniyat, C. CHRISTINE FAIR is the love-child of Stephen Cohen and Robin Raphel.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2010 20:22

She should name change to Christine UnFair.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jun 2010 20:24

I still haven't figured out who, (other than us on BRF

) are against talks.

Someone said Kiyani and that is plausible

Hamid Gul says so himself.

Just wondering - many of us on here are concerned at what may be conceded by India. Could that be a similar concern in Pakistan? But why? I mean I can say on this forum "Hey you guys can have my house" But it means zilch no? Who is getting so sooo much takleef from talks?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 25 Jun 2010 21:43

Just to further what Shiv Ji is saying. I wanted to check on what have we given since 1999 lahore declaration to Pakis? I am saying tangible gains?

1) Siachen : As is
2) Sir Creek: As is
3) Kashmir: As is
4) Hydro Projects; As is
5) Talks: Chai Biskoot with hot air for media

What have Pakis done
1) Kashmir: Violence is substantially down gives IA a breather
2) Rest of India: Violence is up.

So all the hungama we had over SeS and Thimpu has not resulted in any tangible concession least I havent seen any please correct me if I have got it wrong.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 25 Jun 2010 21:47

SLM claims railway tracks blasts responsibility

Sindh Liberation Movement (SLM) has accepted the responsibility of six consecutive blasts occurred on Ghotki, Ranipur and Nawabshah railway tracks on Friday.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 25 Jun 2010 21:52

Wow this is interesting....another outfit? May Allah give them all the power (and weapons) they need...

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Jun 2010 21:55

Hmmmm.....another obscure outfit rises and announces itself?

Also, the target is Sindh, eerily similar to the late 80s and early 90s. If wonder if....

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 25 Jun 2010 21:56

Brad Goodman wrote:So all the hungama we had over SeS and Thimpu has not resulted in any tangible concession least I havent seen any please correct me if I have got it wrong.

If you agree that giving a free hand to TspA to engage in terrorism on Indian soil and not do anything about it for the sake of 'defeating terrorists' is not a concession...

Seriously that is true. Nor is anything much likely to be given away, despite fears in various quarters (read BRF)...Even SV, who is perhaps used as a sounding board by MMS to float trial balloons, says the only game in town is 'making borders irrelevant'...so nothing much is being given away. Free trade etc., can work to India's favor given TSP has nothing to export other than some basic mineral or handicraft stuff and of course, fanatic barbaric animalism..

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 25 Jun 2010 22:27

IT Ministry Confirms LHC Ban Orders for 9 websites including Google, Yahoo

In this regards, Ministry of IT and Telecom will send a list of 17 websites to PTA for a permanent ban.

Moreover, Ministry in its letter will ask PTA to keep monitoring the web for any occurrence of blasphemous content to block them immediately.

Search Engines won’t get Banned:

Committee decided not to ban search engines, as they don’t host or store any content. However, options are considered to make it impossible to search for certain keywords on search engines.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jun 2010 23:02

SSridhar wrote:Will satisfy Chidambaram on Prof. Hafeez Saeed's case: Rehman Malik

Hours before his meeting with Home Minister P Chidambaram, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik today said he will “satisfy” the Indian leader on the issue of JuD chief Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of the 26/11 attacks.

Mr. Malik, who will host Mr. Chidambaram later in the day here, said “instead of exchanging dossiers” the two countries should “exchange hearts“.

“Hafiz Saeed is an issue. And we will also satisfy Mr Chidambaram on that. We have no problem in that,” Mr. Malik told an Indian television channel, when asked about India’s insistence to discuss about Saeed.

“I will welcome him to Pakistan. Let us be friends.

The obvious cliche, often attributed to some US president (Nixon?), is that you have them by the balls, hearts and minds will follow. Basically, Rehman Mallik is talking from a victorious podium. He knows, every TSPian to the Abdul on the street knows, PC knows, RAW knows, and every Indian who is gnawing his/her teeth seething at India's humilaition by TSP, and its impotenece thereafter, knows in their heart of hearts that TSP has sent a telling message on 26/11 to the people it intended to send. Not to MMS & his like-minded ilk who are in their kitty anyway, but for those for whom TSP use of terror as an instrument of state policy is an abomination: forget it you f%^&*$#rs, you know we hit you you where it hurts, we feel your pain, we have you by your balls, but now let bygones be bygones, lets exchange hearts.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jun 2010 23:20

shravan wrote:SLM claims railway tracks blasts responsibility

Sindh Liberation Movement (SLM) has accepted the responsibility of six consecutive blasts occurred on Ghotki, Ranipur and Nawabshah railway tracks on Friday.

Wait for the paki clincher.

It's RAW backed onlee.

Guns and ammo with "Indian" markings will be recovered.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 25 Jun 2010 23:26

CRamS wrote: The obvious cliche, often attributed to some US president (Nixon?), is that you have them by the balls, hearts and minds will follow. Basically, Rehman Mallik is talking from a victorious podium. He knows, every TSPian to the Abdul on the street knows, PC knows, RAW knows, and every Indian who is gnawing his/her teeth seething at India's humilaition by TSP, and its impotenece thereafter, knows in their heart of hearts that TSP has sent a telling message on 26/11 to the people it intended to send. Not to MMS & his like-minded ilk who are in their kitty anyway, but for those for whom TSP use of terror as an instrument of state policy is an abomination: forget it you f%^&*$#rs, you know we hit you you where it hurts, we feel your pain, we have you by your balls, but now let bygones be bygones, lets exchange hearts.

You need to relax a little. Since 1947 we have won all wars against them. Pakis can never ever recover from the ignominies we have heaped on them, greatest of them all, 1971. Compared to us they are always going to to be the losers!

While using terrorism as state policy has made Pakistan the top 10 failed state in the world.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Jun 2010 23:32

CRamS garu,

India by nature is an optimistic society onlee... we see one septillionth glass full all the time.. and the king of our species is MMS.

I pity those true Indians who do their duty by attending such meetings...

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 25 Jun 2010 23:34

arun wrote:X Posted. No part of the world seems to be immune from the unwelcome attentions of citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan out to indulge in a spot of Islamic terrorism.

Two citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, one of whom is a “wanted international terrorist”, arrested while trying to exit Zimbabwe for South Africa with fraudulent Kenyan passports :

Zim holds 'terrorists' at SA border
New Zimbabwe

Can this be somehow the result of above two arrests????
Six Pakistanis arrested in S.A for fake passport shop

JOHANNESBURG: South African police said Friday they had raided a passport forgery shop and arrested six Pakistani nationals accused of helping foreigners stay in the country illegally.

Police said they seized large quantities of false birth certificates, IDs, work permits and South African passports during the raid in the town of Brits, near the capital Pretoria.