Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Jun 2010 23:55

instead of "exchanging dossiers” the two countries should “exchange hearts“

Exchange information which would help PA to clean its own mess,info about certain people who are threatening PA and American strategic interests?

Mr.PC
You are appointed to safeguard Indian interests,not American and certainly not Pakistani. India want Hafiz Saeed but not badly enough to give away information which betrays the people who are actually causing takleef to Pakistan and its army

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jun 2010 00:03

Its interesting that India doesn't want Mohd Azhar the J-e-M founder who was released after the IC 814 hijack. Or is he on a standing list of 20 most wanted?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2010 00:08

Blast on train track in Karachi

KARACHI: A blast has occurred on the railway track near Port Qasim, SAMAA reported Friday late evening.

Earlier, six blasts occurred on the train tracks near Ghotki, Nawabshah and Ranipur and the Sindh Liberation Movement claimed the responsibility of those blasts later on. SAMAA

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 26 Jun 2010 00:50

instead of "exchanging dossiers” the two countries should “exchange hearts“

Yes, Kasab's heart in exchange for Hafiz Pig's heart

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Jun 2010 00:58

Altair wrote:
instead of "exchanging dossiers” the two countries should “exchange hearts“

As a Lakhnawi Nawab would say, pehley aap, janaab (Sir, you first).

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 26 Jun 2010 01:17

ramana wrote:Its interesting that India doesn't want Mohd Azhar the J-e-M founder who was released after the IC 814 hijack. Or is he on a standing list of 20 most wanted?

Who is mohd azhar btw??
hafiz saeed is the new star of terror ?
isnt it right that asking for too much will make pakistan go into gubo position ,with unkil jumping in between ,saying me first .. me first..? and it will also bring out in open to the whole world that dear PC and his hijra team cant do anything except setting political scores ??

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2010 01:34

India urged to keep confidence in Pakistan's judiciary
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=107363

ASLAMABAD: The interior ministers of Pakistan and India agreed to hold further discussion on security issues after their meeting on Friday, which the Interior Minister Rehman Malik described as a "good beginning".Interior Minister Malik told Chidambaram that the judiciary is independent here in Pakistan and India should keep confidence in it as Pakistan does in Indian judicial system.He was of the view that the magistrate who recorded Ajmal Kasab's statement may testify this here in Pakistan.Chidambaram, who is visiting Pakistan for Saarc Interior Minister's Conference on Saturday, discussed issues related to militancy and ongoing Mumbai attacks investigations, soon after his arrival in Islamabad.

Malik, Chidambaram discuss Mumbai attack probe

Indian Home Minister who reached Pakistan today was welcomed enthusiastically and presented guard of honour. Interior Minister Rehman Malik received him at Chaklala Airbase. Both the leaders held a meeting and discussed issues related to terrorism and Mumbai attack investigations. Malik said that cooperation between both the countries is vital to counter terrorist activities. Malik told his Indian counterpart that Pakistan is at frontline state in war against terrorism and Pakistani forces and people have given a lot of sacrifices.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... tack-probe

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2010 01:39

Taliban behead 11 Afghan civilians
( Actually Paki did this)

The headless bodies of 11 Afghan civilians allegedly decapitated by Taliban insurgents have been found in central Afghanistan, police said Friday. The bodies were found late Thursday in the Khas Uruzgan district of rural Uruzgan province, Mohammad Gulab, the provincial criminal investigation police chief, told a foreign news agency. "Eleven civilians were found beheaded late yesterday," he said, blaming Taliban insurgents.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -civilians

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 26 Jun 2010 02:25

Is Pakistan a failed state? No.
BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no
This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.

Although article says pakistan is NOT a failed state, I don't mind such articles circulating mainstream media regularly. Yes, even if author genuninely believes that pakiland is not failing, merely stating that it is NOT failing will have much negative phyche ops.

Even, GoI should keep saying that - pakistan is NOT failed state; we beleive terrorists will (may) NOT take nukes of pakiland, terrorists will (may) NOT capture islamabad etc etc. We should just keep saying this, and paki govt won't object to us saying this !!

Even better - paki media should start propgating such views regularly through mainstream tv and news. If this is done persistently for few years, it is likely to have some desired impact.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2010 04:59

NikhilB wrote:
Is Pakistan a failed state? No.
BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no
This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.

Your anger is understandable. But Christine Didi is right on the money. TSP is not a failed state, but as the 'T' in TSP indicates, it is a terrorist state. That of course, as an loyal, patriotic American, she will not say, or cannot come around to accepting that.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2010 05:06

No role in terror in Balochistan, says Chidambaram

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... kistan.htm

India [ Images ] has denied having any role in terror activities in Balochistan, saying it was a problem which has to be dealt with by Pakistan.

Home Minister P Chidambaram [ Images ] has said that New Delhi [ Images ] sympathises with Islamabad [ Images ] on the terror activities that have taken place in Pakistan.

"But frankly, what interest do we have in Balochistan?" He said India has no role in Balochistan and has no intention of taking any interest in what happens in Balochistan. "Balochistan is part of Pakistan and if there is a problem in Balochistan, it's entirely up to Pakistan government to deal with that problem. There is no way in which we can be held responsible, if they tell us how we can help, I'll listen to them but I can't imagine how we can help," Chidambaram told Times Now in an interview.

The home minister also said that India welcomes sharing of intelligence by Pakistan about terror camps in that country, about so-called non-state actors or anyone else trying to create trouble in India."Certainly, they are welcome to share that with us. But if intelligence sharing means that we'll tell them what we have gathered about some people are doing in that country, that would completely compromise our intelligence gathering, isn't it? We'll find out what they mean by intelligence sharing."We share intelligence with different countries around the world. But there is a difference in that many terror attacks in India emanate from Pakistan's soil and that's the difference between sharing intelligence with Pakistan and sharing intelligence with other countries," he said. Asked whether his visit to Pakistan has any historic importance, the Home Minister said as it was his first visit to the country it has importance for him. "...if this visit followed by the visit of the Foreign Minister (S M Krishna [ Images ]) can bridge the trust deficit and other deficits that are there, well that's a good beginning," Chidambaram added.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 26 Jun 2010 05:10

Reminds me of what Cap'n Haddock says in Explorers on the Moon:

(From memory) Haddock to Thompson and Thomson: They want a couple of punch and judy men at the fair; you two should apply for the job!
Thompson: Sir I take umbrage at that! How dare you!
Thomson: Yes, I shall not stand for such an insult!
Haddock: Ok ok, I take it back. They do not need two punch and judy men at the fair.
Thompson (thinking hard): Hmm...they don't need them?
Thomson: So we can't have the job. It's ok isn't it?

NikhilB wrote:
Is Pakistan a failed state? No.
BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no
This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.
Although article says pakistan is NOT a failed state, I don't mind such articles circulating mainstream media regularly. Yes, even if author genuninely believes that pakiland is not failing, merely stating that it is NOT failing will have much negative phyche ops.

Even, GoI should keep saying that - pakistan is NOT failed state; we beleive terrorists will (may) NOT take nukes of pakiland, terrorists will (may) NOT capture islamabad etc etc. We should just keep saying this, and paki govt won't object to us saying this !!

Even better - paki media should start propgating such views regularly through mainstream tv and news. If this is done persistently for few years, it is likely to have some desired impact.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 26 Jun 2010 05:15

NikhilB wrote:
Although article says pakistan is NOT a failed state, I don't mind such articles circulating mainstream media regularly. Yes, even if author genuninely believes that pakiland is not failing, merely stating that it is NOT failing will have much negative phyche ops.

It's like posting on facebook "My gf DOES NOT have herpes".

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 26 Jun 2010 05:46

NikhilB wrote:
Is Pakistan a failed state? No.
BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no
This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.

Her articles have twisted logic more like below:
(a) In last 2 years the percentage of TSP population wearing shoes has gone up by 2 %. Worldwide its 1% so great progress! (Albeit as now shoes only worn on one leg as other is blown up by Talibs)
(b) The number of TSPians wearing underwear has increased 3 %(worldwide 2%) so another excellent progress. She fails to point out that all these people are now only wearing underwear and that also inside out as part of Pajamaless brigade.
(c) The food consumption has increased 4% shattering all world records. Again she fails to point out most of increase is from eating stray dogs and pigs and each other!
(d) No. of private schools has increased 5% again a Asia record. However most new private schools are madrassas where they are still teaching how to properly tackle a goat and how to milk a camel and produce idiots like Shahzad.

Overall an excellent progress, just needs a keen eye and good sense of HOMOr.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Jun 2010 07:08

This is Radio Conspiracy FM-70 …
by Nadeem F. Paracha
http://blog.dawn.com/2010/06/24/this-is ... %e2%80%a6/

Hello this is Radio Conspiracy FM-70 and I’m your host and RJ, Ali Azmat. Today in the studios we have with us Pakistan’s leading DJ and rock star from the band Conquering Israel, Ghalat Hussain, hello Ghalat …
Hello. You’re bleeding.
Yes, I am. Maria B. said the colour red goes well with my wild shining bald.
Who beat you up? The cops?No, no, I beat myself up. A bleeding forehead looks very dramatic on TV.
But we’re not on TV.
We’re not?
No. We’re on radio.Damn! Why wasn’t I told?

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 26 Jun 2010 07:24

India should be Worried about what Pak will do with Nuclear Reactors
DNA

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 26 Jun 2010 07:31

Juggi G wrote:India should be Worried about what Pak will do with Nuclear Reactors
DNA

PAK gonna do same with nuke reactors what india is going to do with its ie produce electricity.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2010 07:34

Happened to see a debate on TimesNow last night, in which two Pakistanis were also present, discussing the visit of P.Chidambaram. One of the Pakistanis, a new face on Indian channels, is Wajahat Khan, apparently a top journalist in Pakistan. TimesNow seems to have dropped Hamid Mir after the Khawaja incident. This new guy has a perpetual condescending smirk playing on his lips which broadens into a laughter and vigorous shaking of heads sideways and other hand gestures indicating total disapproval whenever persons like G.Parthasarathy or Sushant Sareen or Maroof Raza make valid points. As he is also a RAPE, the swagger, the arrogance, contrived accent and lying come naturally to him. He denied completely that anybody ever said that 'Pakistan was the epicentre of terrorism' ! At another time, he said he knew exactly what the problem was with the Indians and proceeded to lay it bare. He used the analogy of zooming and panning, the excellent electronic-media man that he is, and said Indians were zooming (and hence myopic, according to him !!) and looking at great details about a particular incident while the Pakistanis were panning and taking an overall grand picture. When Sushant Sareen spoke of Hafeez Saeed, the irrepressible Wajahat sprang to the venerable Professor's defence by alluding to Bal Thackrey and how the two are equal. The other Pakistani, Tariq Azim, the usual TimesNow face, was surprsingly more restrained and less challenging than his usual wont. Or, did Wajahat dominate so much ?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 26 Jun 2010 07:39

Why can't the Indian journalists say that Bal Thackeray is like Jinnah in being an elected leader?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 26 Jun 2010 08:06

I'm certain this forum has come a long way and many deeply understand Pakistan. However amongst the many who 'deeply' understand Pakistan in our South block one thing remains, of which i can only give a slant analogy of an answer..

""it's the economy stupid""::""it's the doctrine stupid"".

Everything boils down to doctrine..even India's inaction against this terrorist state. Expect no progress in our relations or steadying border issues, or terrorism till we make Doctrine our single minded focus why Pakistan behaves the way it does against us. All major conflicts are doctrinal clashes. To bring peace, one doctrine has to give way. There is no middle path. Either one lives with the concept and contempt of being a Kafir and infidel worthy of Jihad, or one rejects it completely and works towards the State and it's elected functionaries eliminating these abhorent and dangerous doctrines. There is no other way existing that will work. Compromise will always will be seen as weakness as typified by the 'dhimmi'. This nation has to understand and internalize that simply evident fact. IMs must be got on board on this one too. That requires diplomacy, skill, courage, good leadership, enlightenment..every good quality one can imagine. But importantly if we do not consider that and think that 200 million people can subscribe to that ideology while we try and prove in some way Pakistan is the root of Islamic terror..we are doomed. Pakistan is a symptom though extremely dangerous and completely focussed through the ideology on us. If we don't realize that now, we are finished, Pakistan will win and Jinnahs dream of a non moth eaten Pakistan will come true in less than 150 years. India today has no future 150 years hence.

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Jun 2010 08:09

AdityaM wrote:x posting from CRPF thread:
Pakistani officer kills CRPF constable in Liberia
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/crpf- ... er/636891/
The incident occurred at 4.45 am on June 8 when constables Jeet Singh and Kaptan Singh were on duty at their posts at the CRPF camp. According to reports, an “unidentified” man in fatigues entered the Indian camp and began firing indiscriminately.
An interim inquiry confirmed that the weapon abandoned at the spot belonged to a Pakistani officer, identified as one Lt Murad.
During investigations by UNMIL, 40 cartridges were found at the spot. These too had been issued to the Pakistani officer.

More on the episode in Liberia where Indian UN Peacekeepers were shot at by a Pakistani UN Peacekeeper of the rank of Lieutenant. An Indian Sub Inspector of the CRPF apparently upset the Pakistani by calling him weak. Note no Indian Peacekeeper was killed in the incident:

Indian S-I provoked me: Pak officer

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Jun 2010 08:21

What lies beneath

http://www.hindustantimes.com/What-lies ... 63184.aspx

. A growing number of Pakistani moderates want both peace with India and an elimination of terrorism — which was earlier aimed largely at India but now poses a threat to peace and stability in Pakistan itself. The prime minister’s efforts in this regard show his wisdom, sagacity and vision, the exercise of which will benefit both nations.

R.K. Pachauri wants to throw away his remaining 0% credibility.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Jun 2010 08:41

'A lack of fire in the belly,' concludes Pakistan on Obama's war strategy

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2 ... r_strategy

The tragedy here is that the United States and its allies went to war in Afghanistan in 2001 to oust a Taliban government with links to al Qaeda and that was sponsored by Pakistan. A decade and thousands of lost allied and Afghan lives later, it is hard to believe that President Obama is really going to preside over a premature military drawdown leading to a political transition that restores a Taliban-dominated government, some of whose constituent parts have ties to al Qaeda, that is sponsored by Pakistan.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Jun 2010 09:02

Not satisfied with 26/11 probe, Chidambaram tells Malik

http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/26/stories ... 700100.htm

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Jun 2010 09:03

NSG discusses Pakistan deal, defers new ENR rules

http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/26/stories ... 421200.htm

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2010 09:30

abhishek_sharma wrote:Not satisfied with 26/11 probe, Chidambaram tells Malik

http://www.hindu.com/2010/06/26/stories ... 700100.htm

I don't know if PC like Americans believes that India is the "world" (just as Americans define "international community" according to their convenience) in which case his following statement is a tragic joke, or he was fed some contaminated goat meat forcing him to shoot his mouth off

I sincerely hope the Pakistani administration realises that the world will not forgive them [if they don't act].”

Just who constitute this "world" that PC is refering to?

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Jun 2010 10:11

One of the Pakistanis, a new face on Indian channels, is Wajahat Khan, apparently a top journalist in Pakistan. TimesNow seems to have dropped Hamid Mir after the Khawaja incident. This new guy has a perpetual condescending smirk playing on his lips which broadens into a laughter and vigorous shaking of heads sideways and other hand gestures indicating total disapproval whenever persons like G.Parthasarathy or Sushant Sareen or Maroof Raza make valid points. As he is also a RAPE, the swagger, the arrogance, contrived accent and lying come naturally to him. He denied completely that anybody ever said that 'Pakistan was the epicentre of terrorism' ! At another time, he said he knew exactly what the problem was with the Indians and proceeded to lay it bare. He used the analogy of zooming and panning, the excellent electronic-media man that he is, and said Indians were zooming (and hence myopic, according to him !!) and looking at great details about a particular incident while the Pakistanis were panning and taking an overall grand picture.

Even i noticed this new bald guy from Pak who has an unbelivable air of superority and arrogance about him...

Another creature i cannot stand in these debates is Mani Shankar Aiyar who seems to be more Paki than the Pakis themselves!!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 26 Jun 2010 10:16

Mani Shankar Aiyar blatantly lied by claiming rogue elements of TSPA are behind mumbai attacks, GOP is sincere in its fight against talibs.
This was to support congress strategy of talking to Pakistan.

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Jun 2010 10:18

He even started arguing with all the Indians that Pakis were most sincere and its just that we never gave them the chance to show their sincerity by engaging them.

Aack thoo to such WKKs..

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2010 10:21

Guys, it doesn't require more than room-timperature (in Celcius) level IQ to realize that the last thing on the minds of the average "tallel the mountain" Chincoms are TSPans. (Of course, the CCP in Beijing, the USA, and TSPA/ISI have a common interest in bottling up the uppity SDREs). Thus, this must be smoking some potent Afghan pot for this

In China, we have an ally that has stood by us in the hour of need and relations between the two neighbours, while based upon converging interests have a much deeper foundation that rests on a genuine, deep-rooted people to people affection.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Jun 2010 10:38

sum wrote: Another creature i cannot stand in these debates is Mani Shankar Aiyar who seems to be more Paki than the Pakis themselves!!

Aaah, dear mani!

The blighter was born in pakistan saar. (born Lahore) Like IKG (Born in Jhelum ) and MMS (Born in Gah,Pakistan) and kuldip nayar (Born at Sialkot).

Some gene thingy with all these guys?

He is a co leader of the pappi jappi, lick the jehadi butt gang.

Among the most malicious, venomous and vicious of India's anti national and ungrateful politicians. Supports all the scum. Hear of a chip on the shoulder? This degenerate has a thorny pineapple up his musharaaf.

I never understood the need for such a misbegotten creature to pollute public life.

The joys of democracy!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 26 Jun 2010 10:38

CRamS wrote:
Is Pakistan a failed state? No.
BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_state_no
This b**** really wants to be the Ambassador to Paki-land.
Your anger is understandable. But Christine Didi is right on the money. TSP is not a failed state, but as the 'T' in TSP indicates, it is a terrorist state. That of course, as an loyal, patriotic American, she will not say, or cannot come around to accepting that.

Actually it is both i.e. A failed Terrorist State.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 26 Jun 2010 10:40

chetak wrote: I was in Bombay when this moron was caught. He is a fundamentalist without question. I remember articles and news from those days about his fundo views and ways.

To save his butt he has camouflaged his public outlook.

Saar, tell us more...althought this dhaaga may be OT..

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 26 Jun 2010 10:44

ajit_tr wrote:
Juggi G wrote:India should be Worried about what Pak will do with Nuclear Reactors
DNA
PAK gonna do same with nuke reactors what india is going to do with its ie produce electricity.

Yes, just like Iran!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2010 10:48

Dipanker wrote:
Actually it is both i.e. A failed Terrorist State.

Fact that it is a failed state or not isn't of any consolation to India. The fact that it is a terrorist state is. And it is not a failed state because it can terroize India with impuntiy and not face any consequences. On the contrary it is reaping rewards. Thats what Christine Fair is trying to say, albeit indirectly. Tell me something. Somalia is a failed state. Does Somalia command the kind of respect TSP does?

USA/NATO: We can't win Afganisthan without TSP
India: India cannot realize its potential without appeasing TSP
China: nuke deal

Not bad for a so called "failed state" wouldn't you say so?

negi · Post by **negi** » 26 Jun 2010 10:56

chetak wrote: This degenerate has a thorny pineapple up his musharaaf.

Reminds me of a joke we heard in school.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 26 Jun 2010 11:04

CRamS wrote:
Dipanker wrote:
Actually it is both i.e. A failed Terrorist State.
Fact that it is a failed state or not isn't of any consolation to India. The fact that it is a terrorist state is. And it is not a failed state because it can terroize India with impuntiy and not face any consequences. On the contrary it is reaping rewards. Thats what Christine Fair is trying to say, albeit indirectly. Tell me something. Somalia is a failed state. Does Somalia command the kind of respect TSP does?

USA/NATO: We can't win Afganisthan without TSP
India: India cannot realize its potential without appeasing TSP
China: nuke deal

Not bad for a so called "failed state" wouldn't you say so?

USA/NATO: Atlanticist-dominated, unable to see national interests
India: Kaangress-dominated, unable to see national interests (aka. "vee kannot achieve our prime goal of hanging onto our jobz and shaking down our own people for cash, unless vee appeaze dis Pak, to get it out of owr hair")
China: authoritarian-dominated and ultra-nationalist
Pak: authoritarian-dominated and religiously ultra-nationalist

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 26 Jun 2010 11:10

Somalia is not a failed state..it's got a roaring business going, it's 'Coast Guard' controlling the entire seas post Suez till Madagascar. The moment Islamic rule settles all over Somalia, it's going to be a a much more stable state. But it's not failed in any sense really when it controls so much estate..

A failed state is where the polity does not realize it's being swallowed and sucked dry..whose polity think that appeasement works for a solution. And whose citizens are too weak to acknowledge honestly the real problem. That is a real failed state in the making and in it's composure. Not Somalia, who're holding the best Navies off and rattling them and the trade. If at all, it's one of the few nations that can boast of defeating a Superpower..trust me they do say that too..much like the Paki's.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2010 11:18

harbans wrote:Somalia is not a failed state..it's got a roaring business going, it's 'Coast Guard' controlling the entire seas post Suez till Madagascar. The moment Islamic rule settles all over Somalia, it's going to be a a much more stable state. But it's not failed in any sense really when it controls so much estate..

Well, you only make Christin's point which I endorese. If Somalia is not a failed state, how the hell can one say TSP is a failed state. And more importantly, how can India take any comfort that TSP is a so called failed state.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2010 11:20

Sanjay M wrote:
USA/NATO: Atlanticist-dominated, unable to see national interests
India: Kaangress-dominated, unable to see national interests (aka. "vee kannot achieve our prime goal of hanging onto our jobz and shaking down our own people for cash, unless vee appeaze dis Pak, to get it out of owr hair")
China: authoritarian-dominated and ultra-nationalist
Pak: authoritarian-dominated and religiously ultra-nationalist

So? TSP is a failed state because of this list?