Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

[pgbhat]

x2, individuals can be tolerant, not "secular".

[SSridhar]

Nationalism: Inclusive Vs. Exclusive Part I
Another installment of the expose on Jinnah.

The Muslim League asserted that Indian Muslims were a separate nation by virtue of their common faith in Islam. As a nation it was entitled to the right of self-determination over territories where Muslims were in majority. Such a definition ipso facto precluded non-Muslim Bengalis, Punjabis, Pakhtuns, Sindhis, Baloch or Urdu-speakers from the nation because they were not Muslims.

When Pakistan came into being, Mohammad Ali Jinnah heroically tried to reverse the basis of state-nationalism: instead of Muslim nationalism he proposed Pakistani nationalism. The August 11, 1947 speech was just that attempt to rectify the inherent tendency of ethno-religious nationalism to exclude those who do not fit the bill according to some organic sense of community. Jinnah had no compunctions in using Islam in the election campaign in the Muslim-majority provinces of northwestern India to mobilise Muslim support for Pakistan.

He was, however, too intelligent and too much of a liberal not to understand that religious nationalism is inherently anti-minorities. Therefore, he wanted to go back to his pristine liberal convictions based on equal rights and equal citizenship. However, here he miscalculated. He believed that giving birth to an idea — that Muslims are a separate nation by virtue of faith in Islam — to achieve a political objective would not prolong the life of that idea once the objective was achieved.

The history of ideas shows that once an idea takes off it acquires a life of its own — bigger and more powerful than its originator. That is exactly what happened in Pakistan.

[shiv]

My guesstimate would be around 40 million

Ambar stop guessstimating. You are in front of a computer, on the net. Use Bing or google and don't guess

i will merely repost what I posted some months ago. I didn't want that but your wild guesstimation has prompted me to post it. All figures are available on the net.

Sorry if I seem harsh but we are lying to ourselves when we "guesstimate". Pakis have spent 63 years doing that. e simply cannot afford to do that

I was trying to reach an estimate of the size of the Paki middle class. When I researched my e book the best estimate I could find for the size of the "middle class" in Pakistan was 8-12 percent.

Anyhow - lifting from a post I made in the other forum, I will say that TV and motorcycle ownership is an indicator of middle class at least.

So:

Motorcycles:
India 60 million,
Pakistan 3 million (approx) (http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412 ... kistan.pdf)

TV sets:
India 60 million
Pakistan 2.8 million

The average family size in India is: 4.7 to 5.3 - I will take 5.3
Average family size in Pakistan is 6.8

That means 60 million Indian bikes (and 60 mil TVs) serve a population of (60x5.3)= 318 million - which should give us the size of the "middle class" in India - i.e about 30 %

Now Pakistan
(2.8 milllion TV sets x 6.8 family size)=19 million (12.6%)
(3 million bikes x 6.8 family size) = 20 million people (13 %)

As per these figures Pakistan has a middle class of 12 to 13 %. India has put two Pakistans of more people into "middle class" bracket than Pakistan

Archive these refs folks - they are difficult to come by..

[Carl_T]

I don't think that is totally correct. More so than Islam, Pakistan's national identity was more aptly, "We are different from Indians because we are Muslim", but the contradiction is that another part of the identity is: "We are secular Muslims". Rehman is in the latter camp, and if she really argued that "Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan", she would be sitting at home in a burqa with her co-wives. I think the RAPE want to be Islamic, but not too much. I think it is the tension between these two different poles that causes the "ambiguity" she talks about.

I feel Turkey is really the state the RAPE want to emulate rather than Arabs.

There is no such thing as a "secular muslim". That term is an oxymoron.

Not if you ask them.

[Carl_T]

x2, individuals can be tolerant, not "secular".

Depends, there are people who identify themselves as "secular" for example some call themselves "secular jews" to denote non-religious. In this case, "secular = modern" is what RAPE imagine themselves as, from what I've seen. It is unsurprising to see why Turkey is respected there.

[putnanja]

x2, individuals can be tolerant, not "secular".

Depends, there are people who identify themselves as "secular" for example some call themselves "secular jews" to denote non-religious. In this case, "secular = modern" is what RAPE imagine themselves as, from what I've seen. It is unsurprising to see why Turkey is respected there.

What they imagine secular to be cannot be the basis of the term "secular muslims".

[Carl_T]

Right, that is not my term though.

[arun]

National Security Advisory Board member T.P Sreenivasan on PR China’s proposal to supply two nuclear reactors to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that flouts NSG guidelines in the Wall Street Journal.

Deplores the silence of the NSG membership in preventing its rules being broken by one of its very own:

JUNE 28, 2010

The Nuclear Suppliers Group's Shameful Silence

Not one of 45 nations could muster the nerve to condemn China's sales to Pakistan

By T.P. SREENIVASAN

Non-nuclear New Zealand was an unusual chairman to guide the 46 nuclear bigwigs at the contentious meeting of the Nuclear Suppliers Groups this weekend in Christchurch. An army of nonproliferation enthusiasts descended on the event to press for nuclear-trade guidelines to be observed by all concerned. Yet China's blatant violation, in the form of two new nuclear reactors to Pakistan, was on everyone's mind, but on nobody's lips.

China didn't elaborate publicly on its plans to provide new reactors to Pakistan, having announced its intention to have a nuclear deal by proxy with Islamabad earlier this month. Two state-owned firms agreed to build two more reactors at the Chashma atomic complex in Punjab.

Beijing justified the deal on historical grounds, citing its grandfatherly obligations to Pakistan, and also on the logic of restoring nuclear balance in South Asia. The only assurance the Chinese gave was that its nuclear commerce with Pakistan would be in accordance with China's international obligations............................

Wall Street Journal

[arun]

The US on the proposed supply of two nuclear reactors by PR China to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that flouts NSG guidelines:

Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
June 28, 2010 ………………………..

QUESTION: Last week’s NSC meeting – are you satisfied by the clarification given by China to you on its agreement of selling two nuclear power plants to Pakistan?

MR. CROWLEY: Are you talking about Nuclear Suppliers Group?

QUESTION: Yes.

MR. CROWLEY: We did raise the issue during last week’s Nuclear Suppliers Group. And we continue to seek information from China regarding its future plans.

QUESTION: So you have not – they haven’t given you full details yet? Do you need more information from them before you take a decision on it?

MR. CROWLEY: We – as a first step, we’re looking for more information from China as to what it is potentially proposing. We have a view that this initiative, as it goes forward, would need the agreement of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

Yes. ………………………………………

US State Dept

[Suppiah]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100629/ap_ ... s_pakistan

Bird droppings generate more business for houris...

WTF is Unkil bombing South Wazaristan instead of North where Pakbarian 'assets' are supposedly kept secure? S.W is where the TspA is already doing some de-purification and Unkil should let them take some hits there....

[Suppiah]

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -960-sk-08

This come-run is talking blasphemy - that TSPA should subordinate itself to the civilian govt...I can see houris applying lipsticks and make-up in anticipation already...

[James B]

For the first time I'm reading a paki, Irfan Hussain, blaming Zulifkar Bhutto in addition to Zia ul Haq for Pakistan's Islamist ideology as pointed out by SSridhar in many of his posts.

The truth is that right from the inception of Pakistan, religious parties, supported by a right-wing, nationalistic establishment, sought to put an extremist ideology at the heart of the new state. Zia was a product of this ethos, but he was not the only one. Unfortunately for Pakistan, fate and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s insecurity put him in a position where he could inflict his poisonous vision on the country.

When he declared Pakistan to be the laboratory of Islam, he meant it, and began experimenting like a mad scientist in search of the secret of transmuting base metal into gold. We are still suffering from his demented tinkering.

And also makes other points on Paki administration.

Four suspects accused of having caused the devastating explosion that killed scores of Shias last Ashura in Karachi were allowed to escape from the city courts. The newspaper report of the events that day makes for instructive reading.

Everywhere we look, we see the same pattern. Many terror suspects are freed on bail, or because of insufficient evidence.

About RAPEs

This elitism ensures that a small handful of Pakistanis have access to education, health and all the other things they take for granted. But there is a price for this two-tier system. By breaking the rules to get what they want, they ensure that the machinery of the state remains ineffective and broken. In this administrative vacuum, crooks and terrorists thrive.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -660-sk-05

[SSridhar]

...I can see houris applying lipsticks and make-up in anticipation already...

[shiv]

Question to Sridhar/Airavat/Rawngudu/whoever.

Re Anatol Lieven's latest: http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/sho ... e_id=18304

1. Wasn't Pakistan against the Afghan Taliban a few years ago and denying that theer was any Pakistani Taliban?

2. Weren't the Pakistani Taliban "good Taliban" and Afghan Taliban "bad Taliban"

As per Lieven there is a 400% U-turn on this?

[SSridhar]

Pakistan all set to become the world's recruitment ground for management professionals

Pakistan's talented human resource (HR) is expected to play a vital role in the developing economies of Asia and Africa despite worst law and order situation.

Pakistani students have proved their extraordinary potential particularly in the business management field. Regional Director South Asia and Middle East, Chartered Institute of Management Accountants (CIMA), Bradley Emerson said in an exclusive interview with Daily Times during his visit to inaugurate the second facilitation centre in Lahore.

CIMA established its first office in Karachi and has affiliated 15 colleges and institutes in just one year. The management has planned to open its new facilitation centers in Islamabad and Peshawar.

“I foresee Pakistan to steal the title from Sri Lanka as the biggest market outside the UK in producing business leaders in the next five to seven years. Pakistan has the emerging and huge market of chartered accountants as many students passed their exams with flying colors without taking any tuition. Lots of students will join this field if institutions facilitate them", he said.

"I have interviewed many people in Pakistan and found amazing talent that I didn't explore in Sri Lanka, Emerson - who is also Sri Lankan, said "People are intellectuals, skilled and creative and have thrust of knowledge, which must change Pakistan's standing", he said.

Amazingly, a Karachi-based student, Hassan Siddiq, secured second position among 72,000 students of different countries and attracted the attention of global business corporations toward Pakistan.

Sri Lanka has been going through an upheaval since 1980 but it somehow managed to produce talented people. Pakistan - despite facing chronic issues of terrorism, law and order - will improve the performance of its youth.

AoA.

[biswas]

Teehee ^^

[anupmisra]

Pakistan all set to become the world's recruitment ground for management professionals
Pakistan's talented human resource

Ha! Self serving statements by a business-minded Lankan setting up his second "coaching" center in the land of the talented abduls. Its like hearing every visiting Nato official say "pajistan is doing more than its utmost best to combat the tellibunny terrorists". When they leave, they have a different story to tell. One only has to ask employers here in the NY region what their last experience was like when they hired "talented" paji "professionals". The last one tried to blow up Times Square.

Here's this Siddiq guy (mentioned in that self-serving article above) trying to claim his delayed commendation letter from CIMA. Note his desperation. Where's my commendation?

[vijayk]

An Opinion piece by Xerox Khan from the News.

Cheaper than water

Random thoughts - Monday, June 28, 2010 - Dr A Q Khan



A somewhat similar situation prevails today and applies to this whole poor country. Items of daily necessity, though not completely unavailable, are beyond the reach of the poor (i.e., most of our countrymen). It has become a tradition in our country that whenever a shortage of some item is imminent, hoarders and profiteers create an artificial shortage and then sell it at an exorbitant price. People have no option but to pay the price demanded. Not only is the price exorbitant, but quality is compromised too. The most recent examples of this are of flour and sugar. The poor suffered while the hoarders and profiteers made billions, practically overnight. It is most unfortunate that both the ruling elite and the opposition participate in this dirty practice, and hence no strict measures are taken or enforced to contain the menace.

In the olden days life was much simpler. People were content and thankful to Allah. If they could afford only roti and dahl they were not ashamed to say so. Nowadays dahl costs about Rs100 per kg, way beyond the means of the poor.

Every day we see more than one ad on TV promoting one brand or another of edible oils. Tables are shown over-laden with dishes of all kinds, with only two, three or four people at the table. Imagine the feelings this vulgar display must create in the hearts of the millions of poor who can’t even afford three square meals a day. It is high time a code of conduct was laid down for TV advertisements. Ads such as these should not be shown, as they are an insult to the poor and their poverty.

While meat, vegetables, fruits, pulses, flour, sugar, tea, etc., are essential commodities, let us not forget water–I mean clean, potable water. Due to load-shedding and mismanagement by the supplying agencies, there is hardly any water available in the supply lines. One sees long queues of poor people–old men, women and children–gathered around a single tap to get a container full of water. They mostly have to depend on tankers, which seem to be under the control of a mafia. While to the poor water is sold at a high price–and even then it is not potable, often brackish and/or taken from unhygienic sources–the well-to-do can enjoy bottled mineral water. It is difficult to say whether the mineral water supplied by many companies is actually of good quality, but the illusion of drinking pure water gives great satisfaction to the rich.

Before that, the wars of Jamal and Siffin between the Muslims themselves saw almost a hundred thousand people killed. The massacre of thousand of Muslims in Delhi by Nadir Shah and Ahmad Shah Abdali and about eighty thousand Muslims were killed by the Crusaders after they occupied Jerusalem. In all these episodes, life counted for nothing and blood became cheaper than water, even as it is in our country today.

It was Xerox Khan's promise of delivering a nuke that TSP PM Bhutto declared "that we'll eat grass, but we'll make a nuclear bomb". After managing to borrow the cheeni nuke and paint it green when it was the turn of TSPians to eat grass, Xerox Khan is lamenting the grass. TSP's dilemma - Damned if you Do, Damned if you Don't.

Xerox Khan is brilliant. Don't show the poor abduls that food (that too plenty of it) exists. If they don't know that people can have table full of food, they can't imagine and there will be no problems. I can understand his logic. These Pakis are f@cking smart.

Few more suggestions for Xerox Khan:

Just show pictures of people drinking water out of drainage and bathing in it. Then all poor will think that is source of water. Water problem solved. See. That simple.

Just show power cuts all the the time in TV shows . People will think power cut is always normal. Problem solved.

Doesn't Xerox Khan need Nobel prize for this creativity?

[Suppiah]

In case any mujahids missed the fine print, this CIMA Bradley Emerson guy is a Srilankan. There are many with such anglo-saxon sounding names in SL, mostly SL tamils converted by British evangelics who gave them their names...when you expect to meet a "John Miller" be prepared for a surprise...

[Suppiah]

While we are on Pak education sector...

Degree is degree...authentic or fake - says Baloch CM...

[Gagan]

Doesn't Xerox Khan need Nobel prize for this creativity?

Abdul Xerox Khan also deserves a Nobel prize for survival. He's survived by blackmailing and outlasting musharraf and Pak fauj. That can't be easy in Pakistan. And he hasn't been waterboarded by the CeeEyeYay either.

[SSridhar]

'Trust, but Verify' says PM on Pakistan

The question is why ? What has Pakistan done to earn our trust ? We must 'Distrust and Verify'.

"As I have said in dealing with Pakistan our attitude has to be - trust - trust but verify. So only time will tell which way the animal will turn," Singh said.

[pgbhat]

Wait what? MMS is saying Pakistan == Animal?

[Prem]

...I can see houris applying lipsticks and make-up in anticipation already...

What will cuzin sistah do then ?
Do Abbu and Abbu ke Babbus arriving together share the same hoor or they work out some kind of rotation arrangement.

[James B]

Situation is so deep in Pakhanistan....

...that pawkis start killing sistahs over half a roti.

A few weeks ago a federal minister had the gall to state that poverty ‘is not the cause of suicides in Pakistan’. Soon thereafter, a young thirteen-year-old child beat his younger sister to death for not letting him have the half-roti she was eating when he came home from work – from a job where he had not been paid for four months

[BijuShet]

CRamsji one of your predictions on the outcome of the peace overtures between TSP and India may soon come true.

From The News: Pakistan, India look to resume cricketing ties

Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - From Abdul Mohi Shah
ISLAMABAD: The revival of Pakistan-India Test series is very much on the cards as the matter came under discussion on the sidelines of respective foreign secretaries meeting in Islamabad and is expected to be the focus of discussion of officials from both countries when they meet at the end of the International Cricket Council (ICC) annual meeting in Singapore.

A well placed government source here confirmed that India, for the very first time following Mumbai attacks has expressed interest of renewing Test series with Pakistan. “Though it is something directly involving the cricket boards of the respective countries, for the first time following the Mumbai attack Indian Government has given all clear to the Board of Cricket Control India (BCCI) to restart cricketing ties with Pakistan. The issue, however, was not part of any agenda during the recently held meeting of the foreign secretaries of both countries,” a government official confirmed to ‘The News’.

The Indian Government, it has been learnt, has given all clear to BCCI to negotiate with the PCB on the restarting Test matches. “It is now up to the respective boards to negotiate on the formalities of the Test series. Most probably the series between the two countries would be played any time in the coming season.”

India had abandoned their scheduled return tour to Pakistan following terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Since then efforts have been on from the PCB to arrange a series. However, there had been no positive response from the BCCI more due to the fact that Indian Government had shown little interest in organising such a series.

Doubts, however, remain over whether BCCI would agree to send its team to Pakistan under prevailing situation.

The series most probably would be held on neutral venue while chances are that Pakistan may travel to India to play the series. “Both options are under consideration,” a PCB official when contacted said.

[CRamS]

CRamsji one of your predictions on the outcome of the peace overtures between TSP and India may soon come true.

From The News: Pakistan, India look to resume cricketing ties

Not just one, but already 2 of my predictions will soon come true:

1) The cricket love making
2) India reduced to girl scout role in Afganisthan under the tutleage of the TFTA TSPA

And its only a matter of time, before my big predcition will ring home resoundingly, as resoundinly as Argentine striker Lionel Messi unloading a bullet-like kick from outside the D with the opposing defenders only watching in disbelief , namey:

3) Joint India-TSP love making in Srinagar (and everybody knows the downhill trajectory that entails for India once such a motion is set in place)

All this is US-scripted game plan for "South Asia" with the wilful connivance of MMS. Bascially, TSP has not paid a price for its terror against India, it has gained, thrived, and lived to fight another day to realize its dream. Did someone say failed state?

[satyam]

CRamsji one of your predictions on the outcome of the peace overtures between TSP and India may soon come true.

From The News: Pakistan, India look to resume cricketing ties

Not just one, but already 2 of my predictions will soon come true:

1) The cricket love making
2) India reduced to girl scout role in Afganisthan under the tutleage of the TFTA TSPA

And its only a matter of time, before my big predcition will ring home resoundingly, as resoundinly as Argentine striker Lionel Messi unloading a bullet-like kick from outside the D with the opposing defenders only watching in disbelief , namey:

3) Joint India-TSP love making in Srinagar

All this is US-scripted game plan for "South Asia" with the wilful connivance of MMS. Bascially, TSP has not paid a price for its terror against India, it has gained, thrived, and lived to fight another day to realize its dream. Did someone say failed state?

Is Pakistan playing in Champions league ? NO.

Why do you believe so much in Paki propaganda ? They are begging to play with India. India is not hosting a single Pak match in WC.

[Lalmohan]

Wait what? MMS is saying Pakistan == Animal?

al-baqr ofcourse

[Prem]

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/210149/detail/

Pakistan's Taliban Generation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRnG-_hD ... r_embedded#!

[svinayak]

CIA is cultivating heroin... the acid used to make heroin is imported from USA through karachi sea port...
its in record that during taliban in power from 1996 to 2001 they destroyed the cultivation of heroin...

Actually Pakistan had a strong motivation in the Russia/Afghan conflict. The Russians had a lot of support in Afghanistan (before the long war) including amongst the Pashtuns. Pakistani Pashtuns wanted to separate from Pakistan and join Afghanistan. In fact that started way back during partition, and Pakistan has been fighting hard to prevent it ever since. With Russian support it was inevitable. That's why Pakistan got involved and turned loose the Taliban on the region.

[naren]

Situation is so deep in Pakhanistan....

...that pawkis start killing sistahs over half a roti.

A few weeks ago a federal minister had the gall to state that poverty ‘is not the cause of suicides in Pakistan’. Soon thereafter, a young thirteen-year-old child beat his younger sister to death for not letting him have the half-roti she was eating when he came home from work – from a job where he had not been paid for four months

One step away from Cannibalism.

[Prem]

Situation is so deep in Pakhanistan....
...
One step away from Cannibalism.

Where is the Grass, orr has it gone brown like SDRE and Poaki will eat onlee green grass .

[Prem]

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... _pakistan/
US aid fuels dangerous deal in Pakistan

WITH ONE hand, Pakistan scoops up its multiplying millions in US aid. With the other, it buys nuclear reactors from China that will give it the capability to add 24 nuclear weapons per year to its estimated existing arsenal of 70 to 90. .The Obama administration is focused narrowly on the Islamist threat in Pakistan. It has soft-pedaled its opposition to Islamabad’s $2.4 billion, US-subsidized purchase of two 635 megawatt reactors from Beijing for its plutonium production complex at Chasma. But precisely because Islamist forces are expanding, the United States should refocus on the growing danger that Islamist sympathizers in the armed forces and their intelligence agencies will once again make Pakistan a nuclear rogue state.

Although the Chinese-built reactors at Chasma will be under IAEA safeguards, Pakistan’s Kahuta uranium enrichment plant and another plutonium reactor at Khushab are not under safeguards and are used for its nuclear weapons program. The Suppliers Group bars nuclear exports to countries that have not placed all their nuclear facilities under IAEA inspection. Nevertheless, Beijing argues, Pakistan should be given an “exception’’ for the Chasma reactors because India was given one two years ago.

[A_Gupta]

The "liberal" Pakistanis deny that the slogan "Islam is in danger" was ever raised. A (slowly) growing collection of Jinnah quotes about Islam and Muslim in India being in danger is here, just in case anyone was swallowing the "liberal" lies.

http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... anger.html

[Gerard]

http://www.newsofinterest.tv/video_page ... _trail.php

Narrator: “.. On [October 1, 2001], the FBI discovered evidence linking the alleged Hijackers and Al-Queda by following a money trail that ended at Mohammed Atta in Florida.”

CNN Broadcast, 10/06/01: “The Suspected Hijacker Muhammad Alta received wire transfers via Pakistan, and then distributed the cash via money orders here in Florida. A senior law enforcement official tells CNN the man sending the money to Atta is believed to be Omar Saeed Sheikh. He reportedly is controlling certain aspects of the financial transactions of the Al-Queda Network. Once a stand-out student of the London School of Economics, the British born son of Pakistani parents speaks five languages.”

Narrator: “The story made news in every major newspaper. With a 9/11 paymaster identified as an alleged Al-Queda moneyman, it seemed that the US finally had it’s proof that Al-Queda was involved, and the US war on terror could now move ahead. But what most of his post-9/11 reports about Omar Saeed Sheikh had failed to mention was that at the same time Sheikh dropped out of the London School of Economics to presumably join Al-Queda, he had also joined the ISI.”

CNN International Broadcast, 10/28/01: “Arresting officer A.K. Jain says Omar Sheik admitted he was supported by the Pakistan Government’s intelligence service, the ISI.. After his release it was very clear that he was provided protection and safe haven in Pakistan, with the direct support, knowledge and obviously the Knivence of the Pakistani Intelligence.”

Narrator: “Only two days after the invasion of Afghanistan, the Times of India reported the FBI discovered credible evidence that $100,000 was wired to alleged Hijacker Muhammad Atta by 9/11 paymaster, Omar Saeed Sheikh on the orders of the ISI Director Gen. Mahmood Ahmed.”

Paul Thompson: “If that had been the head of the Iraqi Intelligence agency, do you think we would have heard about it?”

Dr. William Pepper, Consultant to the Pakistani Government: “You have to understand that General Mahmood Ahmed was a Key Player. Indian State Intelligence came upon this transfer. It was then that the Times of India was able to get this information. The FBI was got involved in the whole situation because it was becoming very public as a result of the Indian Investigation.”

Narrator: “Though the information was never publicly disclosed, Indian Intelligence claimed that the FBI had privately confirmed this story to them, and it soon made every major Indian Newspaper. In the US, only a single news outlet even mentioned the investigation. The information was reported as an internet-only story on the editorial section of the Wall Street Journal’s website.”

Paul Thompson: “It had this cutesy title, but it contained this completely explosive information... ”

Narrator: “After the Times of India story broke, paymaster Omar Saeed Sheikh was no longer that apparent proof that Al-Qaeda was the sole sponsor of the attacks. Instead, Saeed Sheik, acting on the orders of the ISI, appeared to be the smoking gun of Pakistani involvement in 9/11.”

Paul Thompson: “And instantly, within that day, basically, Saeed Sheikh becomes ‘persona-non-rata’, and then a whole bunch of other people are put forth as the Paymaster. ”

Narrator: “Over the next several months, authorities began confusing the news media with a bewildering variety of alternate names for the Paymaster, each sounding similar to Omar Saeed Sheikh.”

Paul Thompson: “No it’s this guy, no it’s this guy, they keep changing the story about who the guy is, and it becomes hard to keep track.”

Narrator: “By the one year anniversary of 9/11, Newsweek had concluded that the paymaster remains almost ‘a total mystery.’ The 9/11 Commission would ultimately conclude that the question of who financed the attacks is of ‘little practical significance.’”

Paul Thompson: “In my opinion it seems to be a bunch of smoke and mirrors to try to really hide the fact that there is money coming from the ISI, going to the Hijackers.”

[arun]

Shuja Nawaz with a prescription in the Wall Street Journal on how the US can fix its policy vis a vis the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

The policy is that the US hand out yet more jaziya to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

The Jaziya not only in cash but in keeping with the martial tradition of the Islamic Republic naturally will have to include Military aid which will be accepted by the Islamic Republic after it’s honour and dignity is assuaged by way of an India like civil Nuclear deal:

JUNE 29, 2010

A Formula to Fix America's Pakistan Policy

The war for Afghanistan could be lost if Washington doesn't start helping Islamabad.


………………… First the Obama administration can follow through on its promises and rapidly deploy promised development and military aid. With Washington's urging, other donors can be spurred into action, too. Second, the U.S. can lead an effort to free trade with Pakistan, especially in key sectors like textiles and apparel. Third, the U.S. could open a dialogue on a civil-nuclear deal as a symbol that it wants to bring Islamabad into the fold of responsible nations. Fourth, Washington can help launch infrastructure projects to knit the country together and provide much-needed jobs. Lastly, the two nations could establish education centers to upgrade human capital and strengthen civil society……….........................

WSJ

The WSJ article is an abbreviated version of the begging bowl Shuja Nawaz thrust out on behalf of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in a piece titled "Pakistan in the Danger Zone” for the Atlantic Council. Click here.

[arun]

Is it halal in the worlds first IEDological Muslim State, sole possessor of the Islamic nuclear bomb and Islamic Republic to disconnect Mosques for non-payment of electricity charges?

Given that in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan apostasy is deemed a crime and carries the death penalty, the senior management of the Islamabad Electric Supply Company ( IESCO) better watch out else they could be hauled up before the courts of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for complicity in a evil kaafir plot hatched by Christians, Jews and Hindus to promote apostasy and convert the momin by dissuading attendence at Mosques. :

Mosques in Islamabad in the dark about lighting up

Wednesday, 30 June 2010 03:08

ISLAMABAD: It is all dark and seemingly the end of good old days for the 87 Auqaf-administered mosques in the Pakistani federal capital of Islamabad.

Gas and electricity supplies have been cut off to them for not paying the bills for 30 years. ……………………….

Peninsular, Qatar

[Vivek_A]

F-16s’ debilitating conditionalities
By Shireen M Mazari | Published: June 30, 2010

Nor is it just fears of whether we will once again lose our money and end up lining the pockets of some marginalised but politically powerful US lobby such as farmers! A much bigger issue is the terms and conditions which the US insists are attached to the new sales agreement and which our Air Chief denies when he declares that the PAF can use these planes as it sees fit - in other words against any contingency and any enemy. Unfortunately, while expounding on how these new planes will add to the PAF’s capability, the Air Chief focused primarily on the war against “extremists” - something the US also continues to say when explaining the sale of these planes to Pakistan. In fact, the US Assistant Secretary of State, Robert Blake, went especially to New Delhi recently to inform the Indians that the new F-16s will not be used against India. Now how can the US give this assurance unless the Pakistanis have made some foolish commitment in writing to this effect? After all, if there is a conflict with India why would we not want to use our most efficient weapon systems? Have the Indians given any similar commitments vis-à-vis Pakistan in terms of missile defence systems they are acquiring from the US? Of course not! And the US has not assuaged our fears on this count either. Why the Pakistani nation should be concerned is because there have been reports that the US is sending along its own technicians who will ensure that these planes are not used anywhere except against our own people - the “extremists”. TheNation had published this news story (which the US has not denied) and aroused the wrath of the PAF and its PR man who now refuses to answer any questions on the F-16s for us - which he does not seem to realise is his loss not ours!

As it is, according to Indian and US sources, during last month’s Indo-US strategic dialogue the US administration made it clear that the US would deliver the F-16s to Pakistan under tough conditions which including assurances that these planes would not be used in any conflict against India. With the F-16s US Air Force personnel would also arrive and supervise not only the air base where these planes would be deployed but also the operations carried out by the PAF against “Taliban” and “Al-Qaeda” - as if the ordinary inhabitant of the FATA has his political identity displayed on his forehead! According to reports the logistics, management and control of these F-16s would be with US personnel. So why have we paid for these machines if the US will control them? Clearly the PAF needs to prove this is not the case and that can only be done if the actual agreements are made public. After all, this is a lot of our taxpayers money and we have a right to know what deals are being made with it - especially since it involves our security from the external threat.

Meanwhile, India continues to update its air force with no conditionalities being imposed by any of its foreign suppliers. It is planning to upgrade over 50 of its forward airbases - primarily targeting Pakistan but also China. The Indian Air Chief Naik recently revealed the jointly produced advanced stealth bomber being built with the Russians. It is also planning to buy 126 multirole fighters and has earmarked $11 billion for this purpose. And no one is limiting India’s use of these systems. Only Pakistan falls prey to these debilitating condi-tionalities. Unless some concrete and written texts of agreements are made public, one can sadly say the PAF has once again fallen prey to US diktat for some expensive planes which would truly have acted as a force multiplier within our nuclear deterrence, but which otherwise will become expensive white elephants and only the Pakistani nation will be the victim - once again.

[ArmenT]

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