The Red Menace

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 26 Jun 2010 02:14

^^ what if the dilli politicos and their bigger elites do not want to share these resources and the developed income with smaller ,yet local elites ??what will they do then?

it will be clear if we take example of iraq war,...

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 27 Jun 2010 10:52

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atreya · Post by **atreya** » 27 Jun 2010 10:54

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Articl ... 002&mode=1

A well written editorial from Vir Sanghvi, for all those Arundhati-type Maowaadi supporters

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Jun 2010 06:11

Is Punjab a next front

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=13078

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 29 Jun 2010 19:53

15 CRPF jawans martyred in Chattisgarh....

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 Jun 2010 20:51

Latest count is 26. India Today just now reposted. I think there is total lack of support to Chindu in the UPA II which is now creating all kind of disarry now purculated downwards

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Jun 2010 20:59

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I was wrong about CRPF response. Apparently there were some deaths on maoist-terrorist side as well, as one eyewitness noticed people taking away the dead bodies.

ROP CRPF jawans

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 29 Jun 2010 21:07

^ I have one of my dear ones operating in exactly the same area. The Maoists were said to least 900, also they rarely, if ever, leave killed terrorists bodies behind. This has deniability advantage for them.

Although OT here, NHRC has taken suo moto notice of dead maoists being carried on poles. How predictable!

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 29 Jun 2010 21:17

Hyooman Writes Commission!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 106731.cms

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 Jun 2010 21:24

Dracut wrote:^ I have one of my dear ones operating in exactly the same area. The Maoists were said to least 900, also they rarely, if ever, leave killed terrorists bodies behind. This has deniability advantage for them.

Although OT here, NHRC has taken suo moto notice of dead maoists being carried on poles. How predictable!

I seriously doubt Dracut garu. 900 maoists with guns in one operation?

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 29 Jun 2010 21:27

RamaY wrote:
Dracut wrote:^ I have one of my dear ones operating in exactly the same area. The Maoists were said to least 900, also they rarely, if ever, leave killed terrorists bodies behind. This has deniability advantage for them.

Although OT here, NHRC has taken suo moto notice of dead maoists being carried on poles. How predictable!
I seriously doubt Dracut garu. 900 maoists with guns in one operation?

Yes why not ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jun 2010 21:45

nukavarapu wrote:Maoists plan to attack politicians

I think its time to flush them all completely once and for all. Things are going way too far ... I am new to this thread and I am not sure whether I should post this in the newbie thread. Let me know if thats case:

Why GOI is hesitating to put an end to the Red Flag movement? What is stopping them? Things were a bit controllable some time back, but now the situation is becoming too explosive. It has the capability to leave a big scar on our nation.

Let the first chotta mota politico of some note get killed and see the reaction of the rest of them, scrambling to save their skins. Increased yowls for additional security and more troops to eliminate the
threat to the "public".

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 29 Jun 2010 21:50

RamaY wrote:
Dracut wrote:^ I have one of my dear ones operating in exactly the same area. The Maoists were said to least 900, also they rarely, if ever, leave killed terrorists bodies behind. This has deniability advantage for them.

Although OT here, NHRC has taken suo moto notice of dead maoists being carried on poles. How predictable!
I seriously doubt Dracut garu. 900 maoists with guns in one operation?

No surprises there. "big" ambushes have around 1200 - 2000 terrorists. As this is public forum, I cannot divulge much. But my dear one is at the epicenter in CG.

I am surprised why we don't use word terrorists instead of maoists, for that's what they are

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 30 Jun 2010 01:51

26 CRPF personnel killed in Maoists attack in Chhattisgarh

RIP Jawans..oh man this is hitting CRPF folks morale badly...there needs to some serious changes in armor, weapons, tactics, mission planning and above all intel...

all this seems to rope army into this.....I hope they realize that its death knell for them? silly maomofos..

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 30 Jun 2010 06:01

Venkarl wrote:26 CRPF personnel killed in Maoists attack in Chhattisgarh

This is not a minor outrage, but all the analysis needed has already been done. Now let's see if GoI has the inclination or competence to do what is required.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 30 Jun 2010 08:23

Our boys have become pure canon fodder and nothing else! We have no chance of winning this battle until heads start rolling higher ups. These ambushes are just unbelievable! Hundreds and hundreds of red pigs move out of their sewage and take position and we don't have a single bit of information! No military has ever won a battle with brawn's alone,it takes a combination of brains and brawn to defeat the enemy. Until there is a comprehensive upheaval of strategy and intelligence gathering,we might as well pull our forces back to their barracks.

Thread after thread on this board we laugh at our neighbors to our west,and yet we have steadily lost 4000 out of 13000 police stations to extremists ( and this not counting the mess in now forgotten NE ). Where do we go from here? A 10% growth in GDP,stock market boom,soaring real estate and commodity prices means jack to the poorest of the poor who make half of India's gargantuan population.It is easy to lobotomize minds of gullible villagers /tribals with bloody ideologies. When you have nobody to hear your cries,no silver linings and nothing to lose,you pick up a gun.

We need to act,and we need to act now! We cannot have a 10% growth in perpetuity.Slowdown in economy will trigger rampant unemployment and it won't be long before things flare up.Until a handful of rich cities will hammer on,we'll keep parroting about how rich and powerful we are in this world forgetting about our poor cousins in rural and semi-rural areas. The challenge is 2 prong : Help 500 million Indians who are in utter poverty to redeem themselves so that they don't fall prey to those naxal ********. 2) Come up with a contingency plan to deal with this red-menace and let intelligence be our guiding light. But for heaven's sake,stop sending more troops like cows going into a slaughtering machine! Sick!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Jun 2010 08:39

in thickly wooded and hilly territory I doubt its possible to have scouts and skirmishers walking along the flanks to screen the main troop column on road - having no tracks and such they cannot progress at the rate of the road column.

as in J&K the whole thing has to be split into two areas
- road opening parties, garrisons, sentries
- untethered forces in the bush with only one brief - kill as many terrorists as possible by whatever means necessary (they will need lot of uav and satellite imagery on a daily basis and a big team of analysts (perhaps charbatia-mki) to locate and pinpoint the shifting camps and changes in the forest).

if the US can detect the digging of roadside IEDs , we should be able to obtain any foreign help also (israel, brazil) how best to locate camps in the forest.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 30 Jun 2010 08:52

How effective is satellite imagery in tree covered forests?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 30 Jun 2010 09:02

Won't thermal imaging through unmanned drones help? We are not talking about 2-3 guys sneaking in and attacking our forces,we are talking about hundreds here! Surely their movements could be monitored. What worries me is the lack of information,if we cannot recruit tribals and villagers to feed us with info,what chance do we have containing rabid islamic maniacs operating in our cities?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 Jun 2010 09:33

I am sorry guys. I was wrong in my anal-sys

Shutting my mouth!

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 30 Jun 2010 13:23

ZEROING IN ON THE REDS

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 30 Jun 2010 17:18

anchal wrote: I am surprised why we don't use word terrorists instead of maoists, for that's what they are

Yes, we can use the word terrorists. But we must make sure they must be identified seperately instead of lumping them just as terrorists as there many terrorists operating in India.

May be we can call them as "Mao-terrorists". But the problem again is by calling them with such name as "Mao-terrorists", there arises a notion/doubt/thought that there could be "Mao-moderates" which was exploited by certain so called liberal journalists.

Best thing would be, to my consideration is to develop an impression that Maoists means terrorists which is possible by always denoting & linking the term Maoists in their act of terror. It creates a blueprint in mind that Maoists = Terrorists. That way it goes a long long way in solving many problems. In future, there wont be films eulogizing the maoists or the opportunists who want to exploit it. If anyone could remember, during the height of Khalistan movement lending home to any Sikhs was frowned upon by the neighbourhood. Just a thought of Sikh created that much aversion. It creates a kind of Psy-Ops.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 01 Jul 2010 00:05

It seems that CRPF is hopelessly unprepared for counter insurgency operations against maoists. The situation is out of control.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/266056/Maoi ... -dead.html

Eight CRPF men injured in Chhattisgarh blast

Raipur | IANS

A day after 26 security personnel were massacred by Maoists in Chhattisgarh, eight Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) troopers were injured in a blast Wednesday when they were attempting to defuse a landmine near Cherpal village in Bijapur district, police said.

"A CRPF team spotted a landmine during a routine search operation on Bijapur-Gangloor road. Its disposal experts tried to defuse the mine," an officer at the police headquarters here told IANS.

"The security personnel accidentally stepped on the trigger, leading to the blast," he added.

The officer added that Maoists use normal injection syringes which are fitted with the explosive and buried on the road and forested roads. When anyone steps on it, one end of the syringe gets pressed and the circuit is completed, leading to explosion.

All the injured CRPF personnel are being shifted to the district hospital at Bijapur town, some 450 km from here. {Is this figure correct? Most deaths seem to be due to a loss of blood. in the gnaneshwari incident, an acqauinatnce lost his life due to bleeding for hours before relief came}

Maoists have given a two-day strike call in five states, including Chhattisgarh, beginning Wednesday. The strike has hit normal life in the interiors of Bastar region that covers nearly 40,000 sq km area.

Twenty-six security personnel, including 24 CRPF troopers and an assistant commandant, were killed in a Maoist ambush in the Bastar region Tuesday, officials said.

About a dozen CRPF personnel were also injured in the attack in Narayanpur district.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 01 Jul 2010 02:00

So is Chidambaram again going to offer his resignation - only so that Sonia can reject it, and he can declare it a closed matter? How many times does one offer their resignation before it looks like cheap theatre?

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 01 Jul 2010 02:16

AP group claims responsibility for Naxal ambush

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jul 2010 05:55

The last that was heard about Khobad Ghandy was that he was given bail because the Home Ministry had failed to file a charge-sheet. More signs of the "limited mandate" from Sonia Madam? Is he running free now?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jul 2010 05:57

Interrogation of a senior Maoist reveals startling facts
Maoist plan to take mayhem to South India and tie-up with Islamists
By Arun Lakshman /Thiruvananthapuram

June 20, 2010

The Maoists were using the sea network of LTTE for shipment of arms and ammunitions and some foreign countries, including the erstwhile Soviet block countries were involved in providing the much required arms and ammunitions to the outfit. However with the LTTE crushed, the Maoists are now getting in touch with the LeT for their arms needs which, according to intelligence sources is being gleefully accepted by the LeT.

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Sources in the Central intelligence agencies also revealed that the Maoists had in the past year tried to evolve a major network of intelligentsia in the state with the senior Maoist leader Kobad Ghandi being in charge of the operations. However sources told Organiser that this strategy did not work out to the expected levels of the organisation mainly owing to the reluctance of the intelligentsia to quit their comfort zones and to enter into a purely uncertain fight with the government machinery. Sources in the intelligence indicated that even though the game plan of the Maoists and their intelligentsia head, Khobad Ghandi could not rope in the intelligentsia as expected, they had got some highly motivated youngsters with good professional qualifications into the organisational fold.

http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/module ... 49&page=10

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 01 Jul 2010 10:12

Maoists burn women alive and abducts teen

Suspected Maoists torched a house killing an 80-year-old woman and her elderly daughter when they did not find a CPM leader on Wednesday night.

Their neighbours at Bagdubi village, who had kept mum for a day, called up Nabin Hembrum in his hideout this morning and told him his house was gutted and they had seen two bodies amid the rubble.

Nabin, who stays 40km away in Khatra since the Maoists named him on a hit list, went to police after hearing what had happened to his house.

The police removed its burnt remains amid the stink of rotting flesh and pulled out the bodies of Amala Hembrum and Saraswati Hembrum, 55.

The Maoists had shot dead Nabin’s younger brother Kalipada last December. He had stayed back to look after their farmland when Nabin and another brother, Gabin, fled home.

The Maoists had been hunting for Nabin since the CRPF shot dead two squad members on December 15, 2006. “They think it was Nabin who tipped off the police about their presence in Bagdubi,” a police officer said. The hit list was released soon after.

Nabin was a CPM local committee member and a leader in his village. His brothers were party sympathisers.

Residents of Bagdubi, a village in the midst of a jungle 210km from Calcutta, said 30-40 people came to the Hembrums’ house around 9.30pm on Wednesday. “They went inside and we heard muffled voices and screams. We were terrified and did not dare to go near. Soon after, the attackers stepped out and set the hut ablaze. They watched it burn for some time and left. In the morning, we ventured closer and saw from a distance the burnt bodies,” said a villager.

Nabin and Gabin identified their mother and sister from their burnt clothes and bangles. Their faces had been charred beyond recognition.

Since December 2006, this was the second time the brothers stepped into the village. The only other occasion was Kalipada’s death.

“Revenge appears to have been the motive,” Bankura police chief Vishal Garg said. The rebels would have known that Nabin wouldn’t be at home.

This is the first time CPI (Maoist) guerrillas have killed their target’s kin in his absence. In May 2002, alleged People’s War Group members had killed CPM member Sristidhar Mahato’s wife and three-year-old daughter after he gave them the slip. A 60-year-old woman related to the Mahatos was also killed in West Midnapore’s Salboni. On December 31, 2005, the party’s Purulia district secretariat member, Rabindranath Kar, and his wife were locked in and burnt by the Maoists in Bandwan.

Although it was not clear why the Maoists killed Nabin’s mother and sister, police sources said it was meant to warn people against informing the police about their activities. “It comes at a time when several Maoists have been arrested following tip-offs from villagers,” the officer said.

Teen abducted

The Maoists are suspected to have abducted the teenage son of a CPM leader in West Midnapore’s Binpur.

Branch committee member Motilal Tudu said one of his neighbours got a call last night in which a man demanded the release of an arrested Maoist action squad member in exchange for his son. The police said the Maoists wanted the release of Durga Mandi, who had been arrested on June 20.

Six people came on motorcycles and took Srimanta, 18, away last night. Motilal has been staying away from home as he is on the rebels’ hit list.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 01 Jul 2010 10:44

NHRC where are thou ??

Our govt. cannot tackle these b@stards who live amongst us. Sometimes it makes me wonder would it make difference if LeT were based in India itself instead of Pakistan.

Naxals slit CRPF men's throats, smashed heads

Raipur: The brutal face of Naxals who killed 27 Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel in Narayanpur district of Chhattisgarh on Tuesday came out when they slit open throats and smashed the heads of some of the security men.

According to the preliminary post-mortem reports the personnel were brutally killed by the Naxals and around three to four bullet wounds were found on all the 27 CRPF personnel bodies.

"The Naxalites shot dead the CRPF personnel from a distance and later, they slit open the throats of three and smashed heads of two other jawans," a top police official said.

The bodies of the CRPF personnel were airlifted from the thick forests of Dhodawyee to the state capital's Dr BR Ambedkar hospital for conducting post-mortem.

While the CRPF personnel foiled the Naxals move of attempting to loot the armory, 27 jawans were killed, he said, adding "police believe that around 15 Naxalites were killed in the cross-firing".

A large number of heavily-armed Naxals, perched on a hilltop, had opened fire with automatic weapons on a 63-member security contingent which was returning on foot from road opening duty yesterday.

The dead included a CRPF Assistant Commandant Jatin Gulati.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Jul 2010 11:32

Torture and mutilation of jawans is unheard of unless they are engaged in a war with Islamists/Paki army. This reeks of a possible tie up of maoists with Islamic terrorists already in place..!!

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 01 Jul 2010 18:28

The Maoist core is probably now penetrated by a host of secret services from foreign powers, and I would not rule out possible penetration by elements from national secret services.

We should see the route taken and the result of the Paki attempt through ISI and PA to control, and manipulate Jihadis and Talebs - resulting in formation of a middle group that overlapped both ISI as well as Talebs. A similar process could be operating in case of Maoists, so that they have excellent info on on their enemy strength, routes, plans, capabilities and possible reactions.

There have already been calls for a "Pan-Islamic Communist Party", about which I had posted on this forum. the extreme Marxists have been considering islamist zeal as a potential ally if not a full fledged movement to harness for power. Even Castro is supposed to have made a curious remark in this regard.

Marxists are always on the lookout for a constituency that will drive the "founders" - essentially disgruntled elements of elite who feel deprived from "legitimate" power. Problem is that the theory behind Marxism evolved in the peculiar crucible of post-Christian European industrialized society - and its class analysis is basically a model and an abstract simplification appropriate for European conditions in the 19th and early 20th century. The basic concept of a "proletariat" is not practically usable even in Europe, and outside it was even more of a problem. So the Russians - still somewhat close to Europe could get away with a slight modification - drafting "soldiers/sailors" into the term, and creating the concept of a "vanguard". Lenin saw that "left to itself", working class would not necessarily go for "revolutionary" overthrow of the state, and hence needed the "firm guiding hand" of "professional revolutionaries" (read fanatically dedicated elite semi-elite intelligentsia commited to the overthrow of the state which for various reasons they hated with a vengeance) - the so-called "vanguard of the proletariat".

China even further from Europe, hardly found any proper "working class" in the Marxist sense (the mining and railroad working class movement was decimated by Chiang in the lead up to the Shanghai massacre), and Mao invented the "peasantry" as a virtual "proletariat". India was halfway in between - and in fact a complicated mixture of European "proletariat", Russian "proletariat" and the Chinese "proletariat".

So we can see that the Indian communists have had a merry twisting journey , right from dual formation in India and Tashkent in the 20's. They have been continuously on the hunt for a proper "constituency", and the communist movement split into splinters on both counts - this definition and search for a "constituency" and "who" should be the international model for communism.

After the general failure of communists to come to state power using all the different constituencies tried out in the history of communism, the only two left out is that of so-called "tribals" and "Islamists" as relevant for India. It has been a consistent feature in countries subject to long-standing presence of violent Jihad to impose Islamism, such as in Iraq, in Iran and Bangladesh, that Islamists use and ally with Communist radicals to achieve overthrow of the state which they dislike. Once the "obstacle" state is overthrown, the communists are chopped up.

Jihadis and Islamists are definitely in this with the Maoists.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jul 2010 18:56

Maoists are fulfilling the purpose intended by their backers - good article from Outlook:

The unending death-count of civilians and security personnel apart, the Maoist violence is also inflicting an insidious toll by targeting the economic sinews of the nation.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266064

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 01 Jul 2010 20:27

Photos of mutilated soldiers should be flashed in media......

...looks like no body cares for CRPF folks...very sad.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jul 2010 21:59

India at war with itself in Chhattisgarh
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/10473116.stm
How did Beeb manage to make the Video?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jul 2010 22:13

Pranav wrote:Maoists are fulfilling the purpose intended by their backers - good article from Outlook:

The unending death-count of civilians and security personnel apart, the Maoist violence is also inflicting an insidious toll by targeting the economic sinews of the nation.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266064

Maoists always give high priority to destroying communications infrastructure. If the government is serious about fighting Maoists, then they should have antennas installed on balloons or even airships.

But communications infrastructure is absolutely a basic requirement for COIN ops, for getting intelligence from the population. I don't know if our Babus understand this.

But the commitment of the government is under a cloud. I don't think any step was taken against Mohan Delkar, the Sonia loyalist who led a mob a Congressmen to free a Maoist Kingpin from jail. Also, Khabad Ghandi got bail because HM failed to file a chargesheet.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 02 Jul 2010 05:07

The more the One Party State becomes entrenched, the more it will resort to these forms of human arbitrage to dynamically maintain its position. Eventually they'll devise Flight Control Software to automate their balancing act, and then no amount of political turbulence will unsettle them. It's just cold calculation of numbers for them, and they couldn't care less either way. Bharat Babu Dynamics Ltd.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 02 Jul 2010 07:37

Spoken like a true babu who who knows a thing or two about taking responsibility:

"What does responsibility mean? Responsibility means that the facilities that we can give, we give. Responsibility means that we together give deployment. Responsibility does not mean that we teach them how to walk," Chhattisgarh DGP Vishwa Ranjan said.

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/chhat ... k-35009?cp

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 02 Jul 2010 10:03

Venkarl wrote:Photos of mutilated soldiers should be flashed in media......

Today's Deccan Chronicle has the picture of the relatives of a fallen officer Mr. Gulati. He was a Dy.Commandant, CRPF.

ManuT wrote:Responsibility does not mean that we teach them how to walk," Chhattisgarh DGP Vishwa Ranjan said

I like it. It is because of earlier incompetency of the state police which Mr. Vishwa Ranjan heads, the naxalites have become a big menance in that state. And now when Central Govt. steps in and offers help, this is what the response should be

. Give this great DGP a clear mandate to finish off the menace with his own force. Or else let every IPS babu in the state lose his pension and other perks. That may teach them a bit more responsibility.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 02 Jul 2010 11:56

If there is one police which can bring the Naxals to their knees, it would be AP police. There is a lot that other police forces can learn from AP Police from the counter insurgency tactics of the "Grey Hounds" to the information gathering of the State Intelligence Branch (SIB). Most of the Top Naxal leadership are from AP background.So it is easy (comparatively speaking) for the AP police and intelligence to penetrate the naxals and bump their leaders off.

Top Maoist leader gunned down in Andhra Pradesh

In a major blow to the Maoists, their top leader and spokesperson Cherukuri Rajkumar alias Azad was killed in a gunfight with police in Andhra Pradesh Friday, police claimed.

The shootout took place near Jogapur in Adilabad district, about 300 km from here.

Another Maoist guerrilla, who is yet to be identified, was also killed. Police also recovered an AK-47, a 9mm pistol and two kit bags from the scene of the gunfight.

Azad, who carried a reward of Rs.12 lakh on his head, was a member of the central committee of the outlawed Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist). Hailing from Krishna district, he was associated with the Maoist movement for four decades.

Following the killing of Azad, security agencies have sounded a high alert in Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatttisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand and West Bengal.

Azad was gunned down by police two days after Maoists killed 27 Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel in Chhattisgarh.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Jul 2010 20:47

Apparently 15 maoists also died in that CRPF massacre attack. And the maoists are not allowed to take the weapons from fallen CRPF heros.