India Nuclear News And Discussion

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 26 Jun 2010 18:21

That shows how much Japan is scared of taller-than-mountain despite the most pro-Chinese regime you can think of in power in Tokyo...if LDP comes back, it will get more interesting...

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 26 Jun 2010 19:45

Actually, if the socialists fall, I'd be hoping to see a more rightist govt come to power.

LDP are too Kaangress-like, and are mostly focused on keeping their jobs and staying in power.

Let the Japanese public experience the winter years of austerity under the socialists during yet another lost lost decade. Eventually, they'll learn to love the rightists over the current leftists and centrists. The timing looks auspicious.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Jun 2010 22:45

India, Canada to sign historic nuclear agreement this week

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 27 Jun 2010 08:42

Listen to the lies:

http://www.economist.com/node/16426072

America argued that India had a spotless non-proliferation record (it doesn’t) and that bringing it into the non-proliferation “mainstream” could only bolster global anti-proliferation efforts (it didn’t).

Who has India proliferated to? (it hasn't)
The Economist implies that it knows who (it doesn't)

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Jun 2010 10:16

A happy solution would be for Britain to unilaterally disarm and magnanimously give India its place in the UNSC:India happy, England happy (no addition to the world's atomic powers).

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Jun 2010 10:24

Now what does the article say about hypocracy.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 28 Jun 2010 00:17

G-8 renews ENR ban on India

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Jun 2010 09:51

India, Canada sign nuclear deal
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... r-deal.htm

India [ Images ] and Canada [ Images ] have signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement and strongly condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations

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Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [ Images ] and his counterpart Stephen Harper hailed the signature of the nuclear agreement after their one-on-one and delegation level talks that will provide for cooperation in civil nuclear energy, including import of uranium and equipment from Canada.Department of Atomic Energy Secretary Srikumar Banerjee and Canadian Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon signed the civil nuclear agreement in the presence of the two prime ministers.The deal also envisages cooperation in fields of nuclear waste management and radiation safety.The agreement assumes significance in the context of Canada's strong attitude in the past when it slapped sanctions against India after the Pokhran I and II tests in 1974 and 1998.A joint statement issued at the end of the meeting said the two prime ministers committed themselves to the ratification of the agreement and completion of all remaining steps necessary to ensure its early implementation.They underscored the potential for mutually beneficial civil nuclear cooperation and trade.

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 28 Jun 2010 10:19

Suppiah wrote:That shows how much Japan is scared of taller-than-mountain despite the most pro-Chinese regime you can think of in power in Tokyo...if LDP comes back, it will get more interesting...

http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201006270260.html

Among the more aggressive nations seeking to export to India are the United States and France. Signing a nuclear treaty between Japan and India would be beneficial for American and French companies.

Westinghouse Electric Co. belongs to the Toshiba Corp. group, while General Electric Co. has a business partnership with Hitachi Ltd. The American companies want to build nuclear power plants in India, but both need technology supplied by their Japanese partners.

.....the American and French governments had been pressing Japan to begin negotiations with India on a nuclear treaty.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 28 Jun 2010 12:08

Gerard wrote:G-8 renews ENR ban on India

Looks like that all the NPAs who were kicked out / left in the cold by the GWB govt have made a comeback with the BHO govt. The BHO govt is making it a point to be 'different' from the GWB govt, and so giving precedence to policies that are 180 degrees from GWBs

Further it would appear that the NPAs sense that ENR is a tech that is not perfected yet by India, thus the move to ban it. If India had been on the threshold of some particular tech breakthrough, this ban would have suddenly evaporated.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 28 Jun 2010 14:10

the ENR equipment ban was on the horizon during the deal itself. something does not add up. did USA expect something from india and that did not happen? maybe cooperation on breeder tech?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Jun 2010 14:37

I dont follow...u mean TSP and mullah-barians in Iran have this tech, not us?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Jun 2010 14:53

With so many deals getting signed left and right, if we just give them each 2 or 3 nuke plants, that would have Medhas, Rundi-Dottys and other Stalinist puppets salivating with anticipation of how much they can sabotage and destroy....wonder GOI has a strategy in plce to deal with that...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 28 Jun 2010 14:56

Ameet wrote: http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201006270260.html

You missed the key part...

Analysts said that improving relations with India would also help Japan in dealing with China

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 28 Jun 2010 23:32

Suppiah wrote:
Ameet wrote: http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201006270260.html
You missed the key part...

Analysts said that improving relations with India would also help Japan in dealing with China

To clarify, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I don't doubt that Japan wants to put China in check as well. Just wanted to highlight that there were other factors involved in "facilitating" Japan's decision and in my MBA degree opinion, they were the driving factors in getting Japan to change their policy, rather than the China issue.

VenkataS · Post by **VenkataS** » 29 Jun 2010 02:51

Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test 'Happy Buddha'?

Another one of those whiny articles. This time from Russ Wellen in the Huffington post. He claims that India is a rogue state for not signing the NPT.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2010 03:08

VenkataS wrote:Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test 'Happy Buddha'?

Another one of those whiny articles. This time from Russ Wellen in the Huffington post. He claims that India is Rogue state for not signing the NPT.

They quote Hooey.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Jun 2010 03:52

Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test 'Happy Buddha'?

As opposed to 'Trinity'?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Jun 2010 04:09

Gerard wrote:
Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test 'Happy Buddha'?
As opposed to 'Trinity'?

Gerard ji,
I have taken the liberty to post this interesting 'parallel' as a comment. I hope you don't mind!

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Jun 2010 05:55

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/India/IndiaSmiling.html

This test has been known since its public announcement as "Smiling Buddha", a name apparently given to it by Dhar, but the origin of this appellation is somewhat mysterious. The test actually had no formal code name prior to the shot (a pattern that would be repeated with the second test series 24 years later). The test was coincidentally conducted on the Buddhist festival day of Buddha Purnima, perhaps the reason that the association with the Buddha came about. Chengappa relates that the story that Sethna passed on the message to Dhar with the code phrase "The Buddha is smiling" is probably a myth [Chengappa 2000; pg. 3]. Haksar refused to confirm the story in an interview before his death, Sethna denies he used such a code phrase, and Dhar agrees that this phrase was not used, and claims he was not repsonsible for it. Ramanna claims that he had been told by Sethna that the code phrase had been used, and that the phrase was Dhar's idea. Sethna believes that Dhar made up the code name after the test. [There is a bit of a parallel here between the naming of India's first test, and the origin of the name "Trinity" used for the first U.S. test. This test is known to have been named by Robert Oppenheimer, but the reasons for the name are controversial.]

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 29 Jun 2010 06:52

Ameet wrote: To clarify, I wasn't disagreeing with you.

Me too...I had not read your linked report when I posted about China. I wanted to highlight (for bragging reasons

) the relevant portion because it seemed to confirm what I had said...coming as it does from Jap media/reporters, that is important..

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 29 Jun 2010 08:07

There is a bit of a parallel here between the naming of India's first test, and the origin of the name "Trinity" used for the first U.S. test. This test is known to have been named by Robert Oppenheimer, but the reasons for the name are controversial.]

FWIW to add - 'Trinity' according to some, was a reference to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva credited to Oppenheimer (Oppenheimer interest in Sanskrit etc) ( The code name, as widely reported, for that nuclear bomb was 'gadget' )

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 29 Jun 2010 08:18

Trinity has parralels in Christian religion too....the father/son/holy spirit concept. That is why when there was a statute of three girls (which had nothing to do with Christianity) was recently installed in some Indonesian town, fanatic barbarians there forced its removal because it was seen as evangelism...oh by the way this is a 'modern, moderate' Islamic state...

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 29 Jun 2010 10:04

AFAIK, on seeing the test, Oppenheimer had recalled the words from Bhagwad Gita - 'I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.'

arun · Post by **arun** » 29 Jun 2010 17:09

VenkataS wrote:Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test 'Happy Buddha'?

Another one of those whiny articles. This time from Russ Wellen in the Huffington post. He claims that India is Rogue state for not signing the NPT.

The Russ Wellen article “Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test ‘Smiling Buddha’?” also appeared in the Faster Times and as a result of its appearance has spawned an article titled “Yes, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Regime Is Broken But India Isn’t To Blame” by Jeremy Kahn. Not sure though if the pattern has been repeated and the Jeremy Kahn article has also appeared on Huffington Post:

Yes, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Regime Is Broken But India Isn’t To Blame

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jul 2010 02:04

Nukistan!
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The Group took note of briefings on developments concerning non-NSG states. It agreed on the value of ongoing consultation and transparency.The two new reactors would be added to the Chashma Nuclear Power Complex, started in 1991, which already houses two Chinese-built reactors. The Pakistani and Chinese governments argue that the two new reactors are part of an already existing agreement between the two countries which pre-date the NSG, which was created in 2004, and are therefore not subject to any NSG restrictions. The US argues that the two new reactors represent a new agreement rather than a continuation of the old agreement, and that it should be subject to NSG approval.Reports that China not only avoided bringing up the agreement with Pakistan at the NSG meeting but flat out refused to answer questions from other countries seem to indicate that they will proceed without the NSG's approval.
The way the Bush administration bullied the NSG into exempting India seems to have undermined the NSG's legitimacy, and the Obama administration's current backtracking doesn't seem to be enough. China is now flouting the rules that the US bent. India made out like a bandit in the end, free to import uranium for its civilian program and use its domestic supply for bombs, and how that promotes non-proliferation is beyond me.

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/006239.html

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 01 Jul 2010 12:25

arun wrote:
VenkataS wrote:Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test 'Happy Buddha'?

Another one of those whiny articles. This time from Russ Wellen in the Huffington post. He claims that India is Rogue state for not signing the NPT.
The Russ Wellen article “Would You Trust a Country That Named Its First Nuke Test ‘Smiling Buddha’?” also appeared in the Faster Times and as a result of its appearance has spawned an article titled “Yes, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Regime Is Broken But India Isn’t To Blame” by Jeremy Kahn. Not sure though if the pattern has been repeated and the Jeremy Kahn article has also appeared on Huffington Post:

Yes, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Regime Is Broken But India Isn’t To Blame

Here, I've posted my reply in their comments section under Jeremy's article:

sanman says:

Russ,

Strange of you to harp on the phrase "Smiling Buddha" when the original US nuclear test was named "Trinity".

But more to the point, India has never proliferated nuclear weaponry to anybody, while Pakistan has clearly spread its Chinese-gifted warhead design over to Iran, Libya and North Korea along with nuclear enrichment centrifuges and their designs.

India is a responsible and restrained democracy living next to two belligerent, autocratic and aggressive neighbors - Pakistan and China. The NPT is flawed because it has allowed signatory Iran to busily accumulate nuclear weapons technology right under its nose while planning for the day when it would make a quick all-out dash across the nuclear threshold.

The reason NPT is to blame for this, is because NPT allowed China to be a protected privileged member of the treaty while not being an actual signatory to it or abiding by it. The NPT came into force in 1968, but China only signed it in 1992! Uptil then, China busily proliferated to Pakistan which then proliferated to Iran and North Korea. Meanwhile responsible countries like India which didn't proliferate were left out in the cold. This is the Original Sin that NPT was born in, and why it was stillborn - you've only just now noticed how cold its corpse is.
July 1, 2010, 3:13 am

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 Jul 2010 12:44

Let us not by mistake certify that PRC stopped proliferating in 1992 unless there is credible evidence of that...

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 01 Jul 2010 12:58

Suppiah wrote:Let us not by mistake certify that PRC stopped proliferating in 1992 unless there is credible evidence of that...

Fair enough:

Furthermore, China has continued to proliferate nuclear and missile tech to Pakistan even after 1992 - as they have with their other client state, North Korea. Notice how both of these client states - both twin fists of China - have ramped up their terror attacks on their neighbors, due to the luxury of being able to hide behind their respective nuclear shields. India is nothing like these rogue states.

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Jul 2010 17:39

X Posted:

Hiroshima A-bomb victims protest Japan-India nuclear pact talks

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Jul 2010 01:20

Canada-India: these nukes are good nukes

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 02 Jul 2010 06:06

Gerard wrote:Canada-India: these nukes are good nukes

Here, I gave my comment:

@lescaine,

The fact is that China getting the bomb prompted India to get it. The NPT was created and brought into force in 1968, but China refused to recognize or sign it until 1992! Meanwhile, it enjoyed the protection of this treaty it hadn't signed onto, while proliferating nuclear weapons to Pakistan and North Korea! What kind of treaty worth the name gives privileges of membership to a country that refuses to sign it?! Meanwhile, democratic and responsible India was left out in the cold. That's the NPT, and that's what it did for China, which is why Pakistan, North Korea and even Iran have Chinese nuclear warhead designs in their possession. Pakistan has already weaponized, and North Korea and Iran are on the way - all courtesy of the NPT and its selective privileges.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jul 2010 21:24

Hiten wrote:Raja Menon - Weapons of Mass Destruction - Options for India

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 05 Jul 2010 23:49

Just like to inform, that in an ethnic Indian forum, sepiamutiny.com, there is a topic "Nukistan", started and moderated by a certain "Vivek".

The initial article definitely equates India with Pakistan, and defends or excuses China's intention to build two more nuclear reactors in Pakistan, by pointing out that India is obtaining reactors as well, as part of its own nuclear deal.

This Vivek seems to have no appreciation at all for India's concerns about China, and he mindlessly equates India with Pakistan, besides advocating that India sign the NPT as a solution to all its security issues.

It's incredible how often you come across Indians/persons of Indian origin, who possess this mentality. India=Pakistan, China is not a concern or problem, the NPT is India's best choice. It's almost as if they are not really aware of a country called India with security concerns, and instead look at everything from the global proliferation vantage point. While ignoring the bad record of China in that proliferation.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jul 2010 00:14

x-post
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/vi ... id/4278830
India to send envoy to Japan amid opposition to nuclear talks

NEW DELHI, Jul. 5, 2010 (Kyodo News International) -- India may dispatch a special envoy to Japan to influence Japanese public opinion in the wake of opposition from the atomic-bombed cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to the Japanese government's negotiations with India to seal a civilian nuclear cooperation pact, government sources said Monday.The sources said India is considering to send Shyam Saran, who negotiated India's nuclear deal with the United States, to Japan as a special envoy of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to familiarize the Japanese people with India's stand on nuclear security issues.Last week, Japan and India launched their nuclear talks to pave the way for sales of Japanese nuclear technology to India, which plans to build 20 nuclear power plants by 2020.
But it is exceptional for India to dispatch a special envoy of the prime minister to a country in which it is involved in such negotiations

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jul 2010 01:03

Varoon< I met an older man who argued the same way. And said what is the problem if there are controls on TSP power reactors. He is a chemical Engineer who worked for long years in India. I said who is going to have controls on TSP and PRC and are you blind to history.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Jul 2010 01:54

Nuclear talks with Japan

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Jul 2010 01:56

Canada's Ontario province ready to supply uranium to India

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Jul 2010 02:00

Towards A Nuclear Future
By Anil Kakodkar

We are currently witnessing an intense debate on the level of and responsibility for third-party nuclear liability coverage. While the legal framework must enable adequate protection of the public, we must also be aware of the importance of greater Indian involvement in international nuclear business partnerships. Today, the safety level of nuclear power technology is significantly enhanced. Trying to match in the early stage of a modest Indian programme the risk coverage that a large pool of nuclear power plants, such as in the US, can manage would only mean raising the barrier to growth of nuclear power and denying ourselves the opportunity to be a dominant player in the global nuclear energy market. It is important that, while we safeguard our interests, we do not miss out on opportunities that are available as a result of emotional illogic.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 13 Jul 2010 04:12

Nuclear Capability Of India And China: An Analysis

Given India's comparatively smaller economic and military clout, unlike China, India appears to nurse only regional ambitions. Unlike China, which signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) as a recognised nuclear weapons state, though India did not sign NPT, its nuclear capability got recognition only after it tested nuclear weapons in 1998. So India has fundamental limitations in augmenting its nuclear weapons capability although it is said to have enriched Uranium stockpile to produce another 30 warheads. India's nuclear arsenal is estimated between 40 and 80 warheads. This is less than the number of warheads Pakistan has and probably one fifth of China's holdings. Moreover, with limited nuclear tests carried out, questions about their operational performance have been raised.

But the main limitation of India lies in is weak nuclear delivery capability. India at present has only short and intermediate range ballistic missiles. Its naval missile development is aimed at refining its intermediate range capability only. Its first-ever nuclear submarine INS Arihant, now undergoing sea trials, is likely to become operational in 2012, if it keeps to its schedule. Thus at present it has no operational ballistic missile submarine. Its submarine fleet is aging and due to stilted naval procurement programme its fleet is likely to be reduced to half according to one estimate. So India's nuclear weapon delivery at present is limited to nuclear-capable aircraft and surface ships of the navy only. At present this restricts the reach of India's nuclear capability to South Asia and Tibet.