Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

[Rony]

The pakis are looking for some baksheesh from India

Former ICC President Ehsan Mani says Cricket Australia has every reason to feel bitter about John Howard's rejection for the post of ICC vice-President as India, Pakistan and Bangladesh made unexpected u-turns after assuring support.

I don't know what were the pressures that compelled Pakistan and Bangladesh to not support Howard's nomination and instead go along with India and reject the nomination," Mani said.
The former ICC President said he was not aware of what had happened in the background but hoped Pakistan would get something constructive out of their decision to not support Howard.
"Pakistan has backed India in this issue so I hope they know what they are doing because every country looks after its own benefits," he said.

Meanwhile, former Pakistan captain Zaheer Abbas criticised Pakistan's decision to support India in rejecting Howard's nomination.

"I don't know what has happened but what has India given us or when have they supported us? I don't know why we went along with them," he said.

[ajit_tr]

ajit_tr, Mani Shankar Aiyar, Aman-ki-Asha and Aisam-Bopanna are all individual efforts. I believe that all these efforts are in the end worthless and useless unless the 'hatred' that exists is addressed. The 'hatred' in Pakistan for India, Hindus and by extension Indians comes from religious and political angles. It is institutionalized by the Government of Pakistan, no less. External players like the British, the US or PRC might have taken advantage of that for their geopolitical and geostrategic reasons but it must be recognized that this hatred manufactured by the Muslims of the Gangetic Plains was later hijacked by the Muslims of Panjnad in Pakistan and exported to East Pakistan and NWFP. An attempt is being made to export it to Afghanistan now.

The Pakistani Punjab derived many benefits out of this. It was able to expand and justify its dominance over the other provinces. It used many instruments to sustain that hatred and dominance. The Pakistani Army is an extension of the Punjab which is actually the 'Prussia of Pakistan'. With the largest number of bureaucrats in GoP coming from Central Punjab, implementing this hatred and sustaining it over the long run has been easy.

Unless Pakistan is willing to address this root cause, not Kashmir as they conveniently claim, there won't be peace in this region.

Sridhar,
No Effort goes in vain.Sure these are small individual efforts but then every revolution starts with individual efforts only.somewhere someone has to start.

"Tanha hi chala tha mein janib-a-manzil magar
log miltay gaye aur Karwan banta gaya..."

[Alone I was when I started towards my destination, but
People kept coming along, the caravan kept growing]

As for the hatred, its not the one way street.The kind of hatred seen here, even for the dead victims of terror attacks is really nauseating.It brings both the parties at the same level.Sure there may be some examples of pakistanis cheering terror attacks on india but then why indians must go to that level???And even if people feel there is nothing wrong in cheering then why moan when other countries do equal -equal between india-pakistan.Its only that we are always trying to do equal with pakistan in that particular scenario.

[arun]

Suicide bomb attack at Data Darbar - Sufi Mazaar / Mosque in Lahore.
At least 30 killed, Upto 80 injured.

Demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan is certainly back with the proverbial bang.

The death toll in the suicide bombing at the Data Ganj Bakhsh shrine dedicated to Hazrat Syed Ali bin Usman Hajweri who (some?) Muslim consider a Saint at Lahore has gone up to 42:

Suicide bombers kill 42 in attack on Pakistan shrine

On the very same day of the demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan in Lahore the Daily Times had put out an article stating that for the first time in two years the month of June has passed off without an instance of an IED Mubarak. July though was not to be:

June without suicide attack in over 2 years

I just cannot fathom why the progeny of a group of people who tore a country apart on the basis of the Muslim religion are able to tap into the edicts of that very same Muslim religion as principal motivator for killing their Muslim co-religionists .

[Aditya_V]

ajit_tr -. It is not hatred, but recognition from the time of partition violence, that the way Pakistan society is, if can they harm India in any way, they will. For utlimate peace in the Indian Subcontinent, Pakistan in its present state must vanish, as long as the PA and Rape in the present state are there, there will no peace.

[Rudradev]

ajit_tr:

Sorry, but the opinions expressed by private citizens on an Internet forum and the systematic inculcation of hatred in an entire population through the education system designed by the Pakistani government do not bring two countries to the same "level". In any way, shape or form.

[ajit_tr]

My question to those folks who want seats reserved for Pakis in education institutions, give free surgeries.

When thousands of bright Mango Indian stuedents and turned away by IIT's, cannot afford donation for private universities are reduced to a life of Mediocrity, why the f*** should GOI spenmd money on educating foreigners.

when hospitals are flleecing millions of mango Indians and many Indians are dying because they cannot afford healthcare, why the f*** are we spending many on surgeries for Foreigners.

For these WKK types- they think exactly like a person in Washington. The average Indian's life and dreams are worthless and cheap

If India can spend $1.6 billion without any return in afghanistan by forgetting its own poor students patients etc then sure india can also reserve some seats for pakistani students and treat its patients in indian hospitals.

[Aditya_V]

My question to those folks who want seats reserved for Pakis in education institutions, give free surgeries.

When thousands of bright Mango Indian stuedents and turned away by IIT's, cannot afford donation for private universities are reduced to a life of Mediocrity, why the f*** should GOI spenmd money on educating foreigners.

when hospitals are flleecing millions of mango Indians and many Indians are dying because they cannot afford healthcare, why the f*** are we spending many on surgeries for Foreigners.

For these WKK types- they think exactly like a person in Washington. The average Indian's life and dreams are worthless and cheap

If India can spend $1.6 billion without any return in afghanistan by forgetting its own poor students patients etc then sure india can also reserve some seats for pakistani students and treat its patients in indian hospitals.

Atleast in Afganistan Indian Companies get access to mines, anther matter how they will get it out and some economic properity.

Well BTW throwing some money on foreigners does not mean we have to shower gifts on our enemies.

Yes but for Indians the primary responsibility is on India. Besides if pakis truly desire peace , they should learn to do it for free.

[svinayak]

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rway-zj-06

On a recent M2 trip, my driver whizzed along but kept his speedometer firmly placed on the speed limit. Here in this South Asian Alice’s Wonderland, the special highway police are considered incorruptible. The motorway is so empty one wonders if it really cuts through one of the region’s most populated regions.

‘130, OK, but 131 is a fine,’ said the driver, Noshad Khan.

Built in the 1990s by then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, it was part of his dream of a motorway that would unite Pakistan with Afghanistan and central Asia.

[rkirankr]

My question to those folks who want seats reserved for Pakis in education institutions, give free surgeries.

When thousands of bright Mango Indian stuedents and turned away by IIT's, cannot afford donation for private universities are reduced to a life of Mediocrity, why the f*** should GOI spenmd money on educating foreigners.

when hospitals are flleecing millions of mango Indians and many Indians are dying because they cannot afford healthcare, why the f*** are we spending many on surgeries for Foreigners.

For these WKK types- they think exactly like a person in Washington. The average Indian's life and dreams are worthless and cheap

If India can spend $1.6 billion without any return in afghanistan by forgetting its own poor students patients etc then sure india can also reserve some seats for pakistani students and treat its patients in indian hospitals.

Afghans have good will towards India whereas the pakis behave like blood thirsty uncivilized barbarians, dreaming of invading and plundering India. Why should we train someone who might one day use the knowledge to kill Indians. Let them rot in their own $hit. Once they are ready for change , which ofcourse must be decided by India, then a hand of friendship could be extended. Pakistan is a fine example of how to betray, back stab those person who come to be friends with you.
Also reserving seats for Pakis means , Pakis must first officially accept they are no good and nowhere near India. Why is higher education required for those who are ready to eat grass so that they can destroy India?

[Rony]

Turki - Paki especial relationship on display

'Lady guides’ hired during Zardari’s Turkey visit not paid

In an embarrassing scandal, which has ashamed officials who are trying to play it down, a Turkish court had to order the Pakistani Consulate in Istanbul to pay about $8,000 to five Turkish girls who were hired during the December 2008 visit to Turkey of President Asif Ali Zardari as “lady guides” but were never paid for their services.The girls, provided by a travel agency, were supposed to ‘facilitate the entourage’ during the president’s visit to Istanbul, but payment was later refused, sparking a legal battle which was finally settled after a court order in February this year.

The payment was only made after the partial freezing of the accounts of the Consulate General (Istanbul), which hired the girls as the court cautioned that further non-compliance could lead to the freezing of all official accounts as diplomatic missions don’t enjoy immunity in civil suits.

All this happened in December 2008 when the Counsel General of Pakistan in Istanbul hired the Turkish girls as ‘lady guides’ who remained at the disposal of the entourage for two days. The whole exercise was carried out in an un-authorised manner as the then ambassador, Lt-Gen (retd) Iftikhar Hussain Shah, was kept in the dark and there was no budgetary allocation for such services.

The girls were hired from a non-registered tourism operator, casting doubts about the nature of their services. A grade 20 official of the Customs Group, who was then the consul general in Istanbul, hired these girls. He has now been posted at a lucrative position in the Employees’ Old-Age Benefit Institution (EOBI) in Karachi.

The Foreign Office appears to be highly embarrassed about the case but has tried to put an official spin to rationalise it. A list of eight questions sent to the Foreign Office returned with a two-line response of the FO spokesman, Abdul Basit.

“Services of interpreters were hired by our Consulate General in Istanbul for two days to facilitate the delegation. The requisite payment to the Turkish agency concerned has since been made and regularised,” Basit said in a message to The News.

While the FO spokesman called these ladies “interpreters”, nowhere in the thick file of letters and documents has it been mentioned that they were hired for interpretation. These letters, copies of which are available, describe them as guides, lady guides and facilitators for the entourage of the president.

A former Pakistani ambassador to Turkey, Lt-Gen Humayun Bangash, when asked whether he had ever hired such guides for official visits of the president to Turkey, rubbished the idea, saying: “I don’t want to get into such controversies. Ours was a different time and there were big issues to discuss. We were supporting the Taliban and neutralising India’s propaganda.”

Background discussions with informed officials in the Commerce Ministry, Foreign Office and reading the documents reveal how two consecutive Pakistani ambassadors opposed this spending, including the incumbent, Tariq Aziz-ud-Din Ahmad, who was later deprived of promotion to BS-22. Tariq was decorated with the Sitara-i-Shujaat for his services as ambassador in Afghanistan.

At the time the hiring of the girls was done, Iftikhar Shah was the ambassador and Wahid Khurshid Kanwar, the Counsel General in Istanbul. Shah’s consent was not acquired as he denied a claim by Wahid that he was taken into confidence.

Tariq Aziz-ud-Din, Shah’s successor, pursued the issue, writing a bundle of letters back home seeking advice on how to pay the girls and under what head since there was no allocation for such practices.

A three-page letter by Tariq, the incumbent ambassador, sent to the commerce ministry and the Foreign Office reveals that the agency, M/s Ozgun Travels, appears to be a dubious enterprise as their telephone and fax numbers were non-functional. Also, it is not a registered agency. He further wrote that paying for the services is not possible through budgetary allocation as there is no head for such services nor permission was obtained to hire the lady guides.

Meanwhile, M/s Ozgun Travels went to the court and had the consulate served with a court notice for revised payment inclusive of the hiring charges plus the penalty of late payment. Dr Yousaf Junaid, the successor of Wahid Khurshid in Consulate General (Istanbul), wrote a detailed letter to the commerce and foreign ministries in January 2010, briefing about the possible consequences of non-payment.

“We have received a court notice for payment of revised amount of Turkish Liras 11,886.33 (US $7,800), inclusive of penalty for late payment, within three days. Habib Bank Limited Istanbul, where the Consulate maintains its account, has also been ordered by the court to immediately pay the said amount,” said the copy of his letter obtained from a commerce ministry’s official.

He said failing to comply with the court directive will not only lead to the bank facing a contempt notice “but there is also the possibility of freezing of Consulate’s official account.” He further wrote that “considering the fact that our accounts are partially frozen and Habib Bank may face penalties, it is requested that necessary approval to make payment” should be made. “In terms of Government of Pakistan’s accounting procedures, rules and regulations, this Consulate cannot make the subject payment,” he further wrote.

The payment was made in February 2010 to avoid the continuing embarrassment. As the then Counsel General, Wahid Khurshid Kanwar, was on the commerce ministry’s strength. The secretary commerce, Zafar Mehmood, was also contacted but could not be reached. On a previous occasion Zafar, who had served in Turkey, downplayed the issue, terming it an ordinary incident. Wahid could not be reached and Iftikhar Shah was out of the country.

[ajit_tr]

ajit_tr -. It is not hatred, but recognition from the time of partition violence, that the way Pakistan society is, if can they harm India in any way, they will. For utlimate peace in the Indian Subcontinent, Pakistan in its present state must vanish, as long as the PA and Rape in the present state are there, there will no peace.

Aditya,
One thing india has to realize that it can't simply wish away.Even if pakistan disintegrate or merge with india,Indians have to live with 170 + million pakistanis in any circumstance.

[ajit_tr]

ajit_tr:

Sorry, but the opinions expressed by private citizens on an Internet forum and the systematic inculcation of hatred in an entire population through the education system designed by the Pakistani government do not bring two countries to the same "level". In any way, shape or form.

You can't generalize whole population based on some news articles and youtube videos. ** deleted **

[A_Gupta]

As for the hatred, its not the one way street.The kind of hatred seen here, even for the dead victims of terror attacks is really nauseating.It brings both the parties at the same level.

+1

[Rahul M]

You can't generalize whole population based on some news articles and youtube videos.Will you generalize gujrati as hindutvadis just coz their curriculum has been radicalised and they've been choosing narendra modi govt for past 10 years??

nice == there, even though not supported by facts.

as for the average paki, opinion polls time and time again have brought out the fact that the average paki on the street is ok with or should I say enthusiastic supporters of terrorist attacks in India as long as it does not affect them. what affects them is automatically termed hindu-zionist conspiracy but that's another issue.

As for the hatred, its not the one way street.The kind of hatred seen here, even for the dead victims of terror attacks is really nauseating.It brings both the parties at the same level.

not really, 1 less paki = 1 less suicide bomber (potential or actual)
till we get tangible evidence that attitude in pakistan has changed (to gauge the unlikeliness of that happening you need to go through the state of pakistan's education system since independence and especially since the 80's)
I do not see why I have to be unhappy about terrorists turning against their own supporters, better them than my people any day.

[shravan]

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[Rahul M]

Will you generalize gujrati as hindutvadis just coz their curriculum has been radicalised and they've been choosing narendra modi govt for past 10 years??

What has Modi done?

not this thread.

[Suppiah]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/stiff ... is/641289/

Stricter visa norms for Pakbarian animals coming...including income limits...only hope they exempt minorities under persecution and threat to their life in animaland.

[RajeshA]

As for the hatred, its not the one way street.The kind of hatred seen here, even for the dead victims of terror attacks is really nauseating.It brings both the parties at the same level.Sure there may be some examples of pakistanis cheering terror attacks on india but then why indians must go to that level???And even if people feel there is nothing wrong in cheering then why moan when other countries do equal -equal between india-pakistan.Its only that we are always trying to do equal with pakistan in that particular scenario.

1) There has been no hatred on BRF for the dead victims of terror attacks in Pakistan.
2) What you see is a glimpse of Indian satisfaction in the affirmation of our own beliefs in Karma and our predictions. You must have heard, "Karma is a bitch"!
3) The blood of those who die of terror attacks in Pakistan is not on Indian hands. We haven't killed them. Pakistanis have!
4) The blood of those who die of terror attacks in India is on Pakistani hands or on those of their proxies.
5) There is no EQUAL-EQUAL!

[Suppiah]

You can't generalize whole population based on some news articles and youtube videos.

Youtube videos and articles are all the evidence there is of Pakbarian animalism? Not just against India but against their own minorities and Shias/Ahmadi/Sufis? Against practically all the other religions? Are you joking or just came from Mars? Where were you when Mumbai happened? When so many other terror incidents traced to TSP happened all over world?

[A_Gupta]

Not to justify or excuse anything that happened that led to Partition; but do be a little objective. The suspicious Muslims in British India - they needed to take a leap of faith; there was no hard evidence that an independent India would be something different and new; democracy was new, trusting the people themselves with the future was new; and there was, and as Shiv loves to point out, there still is no guarantee of the success of that project called India. So much can still go wrong.

So they were stick-in-the-mud and remain stuck in the mud. Yes, they have chosen to systematically to try to expunge anything Indic in their culture.

But this attack is not some Pakistan Army-Taliban roadside clash where the creator and the created slaughter each other; this is not merely a killing of people. This is an attack on civilization itself. The attack may be an outcome caused by their own mistakes; but it is still not something to gloat over.

[Suppiah]

http://www.kwch.com/sns-ap-pakistantops,0,3884696.story

Pakbarian pigs blame Unkil for the blasts...' oh were such a happy people, bombing everyone and anyone, exporting terror to all and sundry..and then Unkil came along to spoil the nice tamasha...

[RajeshA]

But this attack is not some Pakistan Army-Taliban roadside clash where the creator and the created slaughter each other; this is not merely a killing of people. This is an attack on civilization itself. The attack may be an outcome caused by their own mistakes; but it is still not something to gloat over.

A_Gupta ji,

You should not mistake the comments here as 'gloating' over the deaths of some human beings. We are not doing that. It may even be an expression of satisfaction that our enemy is feeling the same pain as we do!

There would have been a time, when we would have been appalled at the deaths and destruction. In the mean time, we have accepted the rationality that things would have to become a lot worse in Pakistan and the Pakistanis would have to go through much more shock therapy, before their brain-wash and hate can be neutralized. Pakistanis would have to learn to hate something far darker in reality than Indians in their make-believe world.

The sooner Pakistan administers this shock therapy to itself, the better it is for Pakistan and all the people living there.

All these deaths in Pakistan are happening there because it is Pakistan. For these deaths to stop, it has to stop being Pakistan. For it to stop being Pakistan, it has to destroy itself. For that the people of Pakistan need to be convinced that Pakistan needs to be destroyed. All these deaths contribute to that realization.

In order for Pakistanis to live, Pakistan must die!

When we 'gloat', as you say, we celebrate, that the reprieve not just for the Pakistanis, but for Indians and others comes a little closer.

[Suppiah]

That's a good way to putting it.

Everytime a nation comes into the grips of a rabidly murderous ideology, it pays a heavy price before it can cleanse itself. Issue is not who is at fault - sometimes it is one guy (like Hitler), sometimes it is entire nation. SA got away lightly (with only sanctions) before it could banish apartheid, Cambodia was not so lucky with Pol-Potism a mutation of communism, it lost millions. Same goes for North Korea, only it is losing hundreds a day to hunger/famine/disease. Japan had to be nuked, Germany substantially destroyed and so on...you get the drift...

As to Pakistan, since it already has nukes, it is not likely to be nuked, at least by India. Unkil is in no mood to destroy it, the only one who can do so without losing a strand of hair. That leaves only one option - Pakbarian animals kill enough of each other to the point where the nation gets cleansed. So every demonstration of 'purity' brings the nation closer to nirvana and us Indians closer to the day when we can have a neighbour that is normal, sane and human. It also will be the day when Pakistanis themselves can progress, have inner and outer peace.

So that is what this 'gloating' is all about it is not about the deaths...no one wants to see dead bodies. A few months back there was a picture of an injured child in one of the IED Mubarak episodes in the front page of dawn - the child had an almost 90%+ resemblance to my own son when he was of that age. I was shocked. But sense came back pretty soon - that the child will live in a country of human beings as an adult, only if this cancer is taken out. NO choice, no shortcuts, no easier solutions.

And that is what is going on, bomb at a time, suicide by suicide...

May the 'progress' continue...

[Suppiah]

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-hs-02

Ghazi force - relatives of barbarians killed in Lal Masjid attacks are behind some of the purity exercises...

[kittoo]

Atleast someone had to take positive steps to promote peace between the warring countries.I'm glad India did it.It would've been more better if indian universities and premiers institutes like IITs,RECs,IIMs,JNU etc reserve some percentage of seats for Pakistani students.Atleast that way india can wean away Pakistani students,who don't 've proper institutes to study, from terrorists churning madarssas'.


And regarding Dilution and elimination of indian media from pakistan is quite difficult coz majority of the population is hooked to bollywood and indian soaps.Pakistani watch more indian channels than indians do.

I am sorry. I generally don't laugh on posts but this is too much to take. If this happens, the day wont be far when not only I will see protest against 'Zionist movement' inside IITs, might see a few of them blown up too, by a suicide bomber who was student there.
I was already so shocked to see one such fundoo in IIT who believed in 'Zionist movement' and who thought that Pak hates India only cause India is involved with Israel (no surprise that he is a big fan of Zakir Naik), I probably wont even be able to bear the sight of those Pakis inside IIT. Might do something fundoo myself to them.

P.S.- In my four years stay at IITB, I have encountered two fundoos. One who said that he will go with religion before country and if his religious leaders said to fight against India, he will cause its all Allah's marzee. The second one I mentioned above.
But I should add this too that I also had the good fortune of meeting another Indian Muslim there who not only hates Pakis with a fervor, but will lay down his life for India in a heartbeat. I've seen very few patriots of his zeal.

[Philip]

(X-posted in the Non-western view thread)

I was outraged during a recent visit to Paris when visiting the famous Guimet Museum (that specialises in Asian Art) to see a special exhibition on "Pakistan".What was on display? The entire exhibition was dedicated to the Ghandara period of art which is entirely Indian and Hindu/BUddhist with Greek influences in style thanks to Alexander's visit! Pakistan never existed then and only arrived a few thousand years later! What the organisers and Museum should've done was to display the exhibits (all from Paki museums) as being part of either "Ancient Indian (Ghandara) Art ",or "S.Asian Art-Ghandara period",with thanks to the govt. of Pak for providing them with the exhibits,mostly from the museums of Lahore,Peshawar and Taxila,now firmly in the battlezone where extremist Taliban/Islamists want to conquer and dstroy all vestiges of anything un-Islamic.I am apalled that the GOI at Independence or even later administrations,allowed these priceless artefacts to be left back in a designated "Muslim state".These priceless exhibits of India's cultural heritage cannot be left in charge of those cultural outlaws who embrace the Taliban who destroyed the unique Bamiyan Buddhas and threaten to continue their cultural carnage.

The GOI should ask Pak to return or loan at least these glorious examples of India's ancient "Hindu/Indian" cultural heritage.It also points out another sober fact for Pakis,that their most ancient heritage is entirely Indian and Hindu/BUddhist! Pakistan's greatest contribution to history has been the beard,the bullet and the suicide bomber,the Lahore suicide bombers tragedy today being a fitting example.
Needless to say,there was not a single Paki visitor to the exhibition and Museum that I saw during my two hour visit,though there were many visitors from S.East Asia and even China and Japan.

The second point that was brought out in full measure by the Museum and many thanks to the culture hungry French,especially exhibits from former French colonies in Asia,is that the entire land mass of Asia is so beholden to INDIA for its ancient cultural heritage.The spread of Hinduism and Buddhism can be found in every exhibit from countries like Thailand,Cambodia,Vietnam,ASEAN group,Japan,China too! There is also a magnificent Shiva Nataraj,Buddhist art but strangely absolutely no Jain art which is a global phenomenon.The V&A in London a few years ago had a spectacular exhibition on Jain art,which has in fact heavily influenced Buddhist art a fact seldom mentioned or understood.Many thanks to the V&A for their zeal.

The exhibition may still be on and I exhort every Indian in Paris to visit the so-called "Paki" exhibition at the Guimet to see part of our gloriousd cultural heritage "imprisoned" in Pakiland today and also write to the Guimet protesting at this mis-labelling of the exhibition which would've had a far greater turnout from visitors if the words "India" or "S.ASia" were used instead of "Pakistan".

[SSridhar]

As for the hatred, its not the one way street.The kind of hatred seen here, even for the dead victims of terror attacks is really nauseating.It brings both the parties at the same level.Sure there may be some examples of pakistanis cheering terror attacks on india but then why indians must go to that level???And even if people feel there is nothing wrong in cheering then why moan when other countries do equal -equal between india-pakistan.Its only that we are always trying to do equal with pakistan in that particular scenario.

ajit_tr, I am afraid you have got it all wrong.

Today, whether you like it or not, Pakistan is the hub not only of India-centric terrorism but also international terror. One has to be in total denial mode to think otherwise. There is hatred against Hindus & Sikhs and hence India, against Jews and against Christians. The clerics preach this on the kutbah. Presidents, Prime Ministers, Army Chiefs attend Tablighi meetings at Raiwind where hatred is preached. Top political leaders visit Hafeez Saeed after he is termed as a terrorist by the UNSC. The PA invites him for an iftaar even after this. And, what does Prof. Hafeez Saeed saheb do when he is not planning a terror attack against the kafir Indians ? Preach hatred and jihad against India in massive meetings at Lahore, Karachi & Muzzafarabad. Such a guy receives state patronage. That is what distinguishes Pakistan. The school curriculum is devised to preach hatred, denigrate minorities and glorify 'qital' through jihad. The non-Muslims are by law second-class citizens. The first puja at Katas Raj temple after 1947 took place in Feb. 2007. Minorities could not openly celebrate their festivals.

None other than a Khaled Ahmed has this to say:

This hatred is supposed to be universal because most of it is embedded in the textbooks. The Punjabi leads in this passion and this links up with the Punjabi’s undying affection for the army. Hating India is a part of Pakistani nationalism, its designation of the ‘other’, and its target for the final Armageddon in which the ‘makkaar’ Hindu would be defeated and subjugated once again.The Muslim League was the founder-hater of India and was always loved by the army for that. The PPP, despite Bhutto’s challenge to India to become popular in Punjab, was hated because it did not appear to hate India enough. Urdu journalism hates India and keeps the hate-India catechism alive. After the initiation of lucrative jihad by the army, the mullah has joined the hate-India club. The mullah has stolen the thunder of the politician because he promises war more directly to make India cough up Kashmir.

(TFT, June 16-22, 2006)

Having established that hatred does indeed exist in Pakistan, let us see how your attempt to equate 'similar hatred in India towards Pakistan' is incorrect. You claim that there is hatred even in BRf for dead Pakistani victims of their own terror attack. May be there is. But, the hatred I am talking about in Pakistan for India makes Pakistanis attack, kill and maim Indians and spreading general terror. This has gone for over two decades and there have been hundreds of major attacks and thousands of others. The count of the victims in India of this hatred runs into tens of thousands. Ordinary families have lost everything in senseless Pakistani terrorist attacks. How can you equate the two ? Isn't that a clever way deflecting the very basic problem of Pakistan to some inanities like 'hatred in BRf' and derive an equation ?

[K Mehta]

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[partha]

It seems the aam Pakis have also mastered the art of blackmailing. Just like their rulers.
If you don't give me a seat in your premier institutes, I will join a madrassa and become
a terrorist and then attack you.

Shame!

[lsunil]

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[SSridhar]

Warning: No irrelevant discussion of Gujarat or Modi on this thread.

[kancha]

You can't generalize whole population based on some news articles and youtube videos.** deleted **

He meant Gujrat, not Gujarat ...

Added Later Apologies, SSridhar.

[sunilUpa]

Why are you guys even bothering to reply?

[sunilUpa]

AoA a new force emerges..

Vengeful new terrorist group emerges in Pakistan

[Gagan]

Looks like ALL pakistanis are wajib-ul-cattle.

AoA to that.

[Neela]

As for the hatred, its not the one way street.The kind of hatred seen here, even for the dead victims of terror attacks is really nauseating.It brings both the parties at the same level.Sure there may be some examples of pakistanis cheering terror attacks on india but then why indians must go to that level???And even if people feel there is nothing wrong in cheering then why moan when other countries do equal -equal between india-pakistan.Its only that we are always trying to do equal with pakistan in that particular scenario.

Sorry , I am not going to be polite with my take on this. The parts in bold , by your own admission, indicates that Pak. is barbaric and uncivilised. For a nation that still has not owned up to genocide and terror , where the sum total of all victims cross at least 3 million, I see no remorse coming from the deepest recesses of my heart. The people of Pakistan , as has been stated ad-nauseam in this very thread, have such an identity crisis that they have come to define themselves as "not India". Thus , their very existence, seems to be the eventual destruction of India and its peoples, be it Hindus , Muslims or Christians as they are all "Indians".

Since the people of Pakistan seem to have :

1. Not punished those responsible for the genocide
2. Not punished those responsible for terror against India and the world,
by inference, I believe that those responsible have full support of the majority of the people.

You are blatantly twisting the truth when you say "may be some examples of pakistanis cheering terror attacks ". ~15 people turned up in Karachi for a candle light whatever after 26/11. There are enough and more datapoints that support this .

It is quite evident that Pakistan has been and is a threat to very nature of humans (i.e Indians ) - the quest for survival and leading a contented life. When that is threatened, I think we can all wave emotions bye bye and start thinking of how to destroy the thing that threatens us. Yes, I do gloat at the fact that lives are lost in Pakistan....it is demon caught in it own weapons and failing to see how deadly they can be. Let me go further and say that the ultimate destruction and complete Balkanization of Pakistan is what that can allay our fears.

Now to you. You are a blithering idiot who professes people to "behave" and also claim that we deserve the equal-equal. While you do, you speak over the dead bodies and shattered families of many millions of people. That makes you an insensitive prick and an ignorant fool!

[Gagan]

Please add pontificating "enter choicest words here" to that list.
ajit_tr is having a ball of a time, he has got every BRFite to respond to his silly posts.
Yet he continues in the face of overwhelming evidence and water tight arguments that pakistan is upto no good, to equate india's and indians sincerety with pakistan's crass slyness.

One can only opine that he is here to spread his pakistaniyat, as it is June was a relatively quiet month back in Pakistan, so he has kept us entertained.
Well July is a different month, and things have started off with a - bang.

While one feels deeply aghast at such sheer contempt for human life as the terrorist acts ongoing in Pakistan, I am also reminded of the fact that most of the people killed - the killers and the victims alike found it to be just fine if a kafir was killed in cold blood by a believer.

Well allah is paying them back with interest. When he is through with the pakistanis and their terror loving ways, they will indeed be the purest and the most peace loving nation on earth, with decades of bitter experience to back it, with each individual having personal stories to how bigotry did them in. They will be pure, as their pakiness will be cleansed off them.

I say that what ever allah tala / god / bhagwaan does, he does for a reason.

[Gagan]

Well July is a different month, and things have started off with a - bang.

I'm sorry,
Things have started off with a Bang - Bang - Bang.
My mistake.

[James B]

May be ajit-tr should lead the way of WKKism by adopting some long lost paki brethren, get them some surgeries, get them some seats in IIMs, IITs, NITs and contribute to the idealism he is spouting here instead of expecting GoI to do it.

[shravan]

There was also a small bang outside Lahore Press Club

http://www.apakistannews.com/injured-la ... ast-192871

One person was injured in an explosion that occurred outside the Lahore Press Club cracked near the U.S. consulate in Lahore.

According to eyewitnesses, a person on a motorbike threw the bomb attacker outside the Lahore Press Club and fled to Mall Road. The explosion occurred sometimes after motorcycle pirate suspects left the scene.