Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jul 2010 00:38

Re: Howard Schweber's HuffPo article referenced by Prem,

A week ago I presented an optimistic view of Pakistan's future, with a focus on national development efforts and events in the western areas. This morning I am waiting for the provincial government of Punjab and the PML-N to show me that Pakistan has a future.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 03 Jul 2010 01:11

Ajit-tr,

Not everyone here is a hater. Moved by the tragedy at Data Darbar shrine, I have composed the following shayir in chaste Urdu (of the Mumbai/Dakshin Kannada variety.)

Pharmaiye... mom-batti choos kay main is shayir ko pesh karoonga.

"Begunaah hain Soosai Bambar, naadaan hain unkay victimj saarey."

"Begunaah hain Soosai Bambar, naadaan hain unkay victimj saarey...
Mil chukay Pak-sar-zameen may, sab huay Allah kay pyaarey."

Isn't this the truth. It is the fanaticism of the so called Pakistani "liberals", at whose insistence the Pakistan Army set their running dogs on the holy Lal Masjid shrine, that is responsible for this predicament that Pakistan, particularly Punjab, finds itself in today.

The common folk of Pakistan only wanted to embrace an ever-purer form of Islam, entirely consonant with the nature of Nazariya-e-Pakistan from the very beginning. It is only the so-called "liberals", a predatory elite who want to cheat their own people by misrepresenting the true enlightened agenda of Qaid-e-Azam, who are to blame. It is their greed and hypocrisy which have caused the turmoil into which Pak Sarzameen has collapsed today.

Suicide bomber and shrine visitor alike, they yearned only to walk the path of purest Islam, the manifest destiny of that sacred soil. Now, shedding tears, the soil itself has clasped both bombers and victims alike to its pure blood-stained bosom. Why blame the Ghazi front, the Taliban or the Tanzeems, which only seek to fulfill the true self-determination represented by Nazariya-e-Pakistan? Why, when it is the US-sponsored Pakistan Army and their snivelling cronies, the suited-booted "liberals", who are at fault.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jul 2010 01:35

RD, a true Paki won't understand for what do they know about Urdu?

Or "gadhe ko khya maloom zafran ka maza..."

For lurkers Deccani or Urdu got its shape and form in our Deccan and not in any Pakjab hovel. The qawallis that Quli Qutb Shah composed, which are the body of literature of Urdu, are isnpired by Deccan.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 03 Jul 2010 01:46

A_Gupta wrote:The saint whose shrine was bombed authored a famous book.
An important theme that runs through the book is strictly practising the outward observances of Islamic injunctions. A great upholder of the sacred law, Ali Hujwiri expalins clearly that no God-seeker – not even one who attains the supreme degree of spiritual advancement – is above the commands of the Qur'an and Sunna.
http://www.maktabah.org/index.php/sufis ... hjoob.html

Seems ironic.

Maybe this God seeker sufi's teachings somehow made a difference , only a little bit though , but the sensitivity in that society is so high that they cant even allow even a slight deviation of wahhabi islam being practiced in a claimed land .
While it is expected that during foundation period ,facing stiff resistance,islam as a competing religion wont allow its followers to accept any tolerance towards others, but to firstly kill the unlawful within . These conditions allowed islam to be divided so early into so many sects within ,starting with shias/sunnis and made islamic societies incompetent and closed minds because of this fault finding .These conditions still prevail
Dialogue with these people is useless ,because of some other reasons

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 03 Jul 2010 01:48

Prem wrote:
Dipanker wrote: He is not a WKK, he is a Paki. He admitted that somewhere on this thread or the last one.
There are 2 more Poakees here who think they have successfuly passed the test.

I know!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jul 2010 02:01

A_Gupta wrote:Re: Howard Schweber's HuffPo article referenced by Prem,

A week ago I presented an optimistic view of Pakistan's future, with a focus on national development efforts and events in the western areas. This morning I am waiting for the provincial government of Punjab and the PML-N to show me that Pakistan has a future.

It has been common knolwdge here on BR that Pakjab is Poakland, arrival of Nazaria Poak to Pakjab remove the Hijab and Poakland goes Parlokeland 400% faster that Sitara. The battle has just begin and they are already asking water and looking for sherbet. Going by the history, Pakjabis will succumb very fast with couple of blows and soon Taliban takes over. That day ,geopolitic of the GG will take real turn due for 100 years. Buy the Bubly and Boiled Bhuutta with Begum in Bagal and watch Pakjabi Bengan Bhartha and Kheema to be gatherd with shovel.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 03 Jul 2010 02:11

From pakistani side this Aman ki asha is basically a pakjabi refugee acceptance advertisement campaign.

The RAPEs know that their rule in pakjab in pakjabi style are far less because taliban now operates in pakjab than in afghanistan. taliban is showing them the eventuality by bombing their sufi shrines.So this aman ki asha exercise could be helpful in getting Indian as Amreeki and UKstan visa is less available .

This is a dangerous trend because now we cannot reintegrate them like half of the bangladeshi population in India .

From Indian side
The feelings of MMS and others like khurshids,etc is justified, they cant understand this, because for them ,its just like making good relations with their lost birathers .

milindj · Post by **milindj** » 03 Jul 2010 02:58

SSridhar wrote:NUGGETS from TFT
Black Tuesday and Pakistan

Take Yusuf back as captain!

According to daily Islam (23 May 2010) leader of Ahle Hadith and head of Senate Committee on Social Welfare Prof Sajid Mir has complained that cricketer Muhammad Yusuf has been punished for his love of religion. He said PCB should immediately lift the ban from him and include him in the national tram, and it should discourage the secular lobby that was conspiring against Yusuf.

National Tram? Where to?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Jul 2010 03:22

milindj wrote:/u] He said PCB should immediately lift the ban from him and include him in the national tram, and it should discourage the secular lobby that was conspiring against Yusuf.

National Tram? Where to?

Houristan, where else?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jul 2010 06:04

Carl_T wrote: That's an interesting point but I don't think it will work that way because when the bull turns on them, the bull will be seen as fundamentalist, and when that same thing is aimed at us, it will be fighting for freedom.

I agree in ideal world you want to go see a fight where the two fighters (men) sometimes cocks sometimes rams sometime man & bull are slogging. If one or both bleed you feel even better (paisa vasool) while all this time you are sitting in comfy chairs sipping beer chatting with friends and eating junk food. But if say one day that bull comes charging at you and you get slightly hurt by its horns you will not enjoy the show as you used to next time around. If you or someone very close is killed watching the show you will never turn up at such events

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 03 Jul 2010 07:21

Pakistan plans to tackle terrorism by censoring the media

The proposal has been vetted by a parliamentary committee and is expected to reach the full National Assembly later this summer. Violators could be punished by fines of up to 10 million rupees ($117,000) or prison terms up to three years.

Rehmat said aggressive coverage of the government has recently intensified because the military has managed to restrict journalists' access to areas where it is fighting Taliban and al-Qaida insurgents. Rehmat also noted that Musharraf's attempt to curb the media later in his tenure — he took private TV networks off the air for several weeks during a 2007 state of emergency — helped speed up his downfall the following year, something the current leadership may want to keep in mind.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 03 Jul 2010 07:42

Islamic Banking going dry in Pakistan

“Islamic banks and Shariah-compliant mutual funds are dry in terms of investment opportunities,” Irfan Malik, head of fixed income at National Fullerton Asset Management Ltd., which has the equivalent of $160 million in assets, said yesterday in an interview in Karachi.

Pakistan is selling Islamic debt to finance a deficit projected to be 4 percent of GDP in the year started July 1. Global sales of Islamic bonds fell 24 percent to $6.5 billion so far this year, from the same period in 2009, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Issuance totaled $20.2 billion last year, up from $14.1 billion in 2008. Pakistan raised $600 million from its first sale of sukuk in the overseas market in January 2005.

Pakistan’s Islamic banking industry is a 30th of the size of Malaysia’s, which has the world’s biggest market for sukuk. The 303.3 billion ringgit ($93.2 billion) of assets held by Islamic banks in Malaysia accounted for 19.6 percent of the total last year, the central bank said in March. Pakistan’s equivalent deposits, at 300 billion rupees ($3.5 billion), are about 6 percent of the total, according to State Bank of Pakistan’s website.

“Geopolitical uncertainty is keeping Gulf investors wary of investing in Pakistan,” Abdul Kadir Hussain, chief executive officer at Mashreq Capital DIFC Ltd., which manages $2 billion of mainly Gulf assets, said in an interview in Dubai yesterday. “Investors need definitive clarity on the political front before committing funds in this market. The long-term implications of the war with the Taliban aren’t clear.”

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 03 Jul 2010 08:06

ajit_tr wrote:Great initiative by the Duo to promote peace.Their efforts must be applauded and supported by all south asians.

Aisam and Bopanna plan cross-border match

LONDON: Pakistan’s Aisamul Haq Qureshi and India’s Rohan Bopanna are aiming to play an extraordinary tennis match to promote peace between the two countries – using the famous Wagah border as the net. The duo were knocked out of the Wimbledon’s men’s doubles quarterfinals here on Wednesday – their best-ever Grand Slam performance – but caused a stir by wearing jackets emblazoned with the slogan ‘Stop War, Start Tennis’. The pair will be wearing the tracksuit tops when they play at the US Open and are mulling over a new logo to decorate them with in New York. And now they are seeking permission to face each other with the net on the Radcliffe Line that has divided the village of Wagah since 1947, with Aisam playing on the Indian side and Bopanna on the Pakistani side.

ajit_tr:

This tennis match which you say is an initiative is to promote peace, is in fact a celebration of the Indo Pak rivalry. Because India and Pakistan do not see each other eye to eye, the match becomes significant. It is not a promotion of peace.

If Pakistan is interested in peace with India, it knows what it should do. Hand over the usual suspects, cut down on the so called "kashmir" freedom fighters, who are infact terrorists. I am sure peace will follow suit.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jul 2010 09:36

A Faith in shared humanity - Sherry Rehman

Massacre of Ahmadis in Lahore is not the first event to have exposed faultlines in the crafting of a national identity in Pakistan. The Christian pogrom at Gojra in 2009 where the police provided impunity to the attackers, instead of protection to the victims, did just the same.. . .No one should be surprised that Shia doctors are the target of another grisly round of planned exterminations in Karachi.

When Pakistani RAPEs pretend their secular bent of mind and write such articles as above, they invariably condemn atrocities on Christians (and Ahmadis or Shi'as if they are really pushed). They never, never write about atrocities on the Hindus or Sikhs.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Jul 2010 09:49

Hatred of Hindus/Sikhs is a "holy cow" for Pakistan. Without that it is "Pakistan na khappay"

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Jul 2010 09:53

This is the luv that the paki feels and we have felt from them for the past sixty odd years. Here are the people ( in the people to people drama) that we are being asked to trust by MMS and gang, IKG, kuldeep nayar, mani shanker aiyer.

Here are the true allies of the aman ka tamasha.

http://www.viewpointonline.net/fullstor ... 010&m=june

Media baron wants India to be defeated in a nuclear war

'Our missiles and nuclear bombs are superior to India's ghosts, so tackling India is imperative. Don't worry if a couple of our cities are also destroyed in the process': Majeed Nizami
Shakil Chaudhary

India is Pakistan's eternal enemy. Unless we defeat it in a nuclear war, it will keep plotting conspiracies against Pakistan, said Mr Majeed Nizami, the owner of the Nawa-i-Waqt, The Nation, and Waqt TV channel, while addressing a function in his honour (Nawa-i-Waqt, June 24). Our missiles and nuclear bombs are superior to India's ghosts, so tackling India is imperative, he declared. "Don't worry if a couple of our cities are also destroyed in the process."

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 03 Jul 2010 10:00

One does not sympathize with WKKs, but still, a certain decorum is desirable.

No strategic advantage accrues by dancing around dead bodies. On the contrary, that will make it easier for SDREs to get blamed for the condemnable outrages that Paks perpetrate on each other. Also, if the goal is to alienate Paks from Pakistaniyat, some tact will be necessary.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jul 2010 10:07

shiv wrote:Hatred of Hindus/Sikhs is a "holy cow" for Pakistan. Without that it is "Pakistan na khappay"

By Holy cow you mean religious iedeology and the Nazaria Pakistan? Every time a Poak opens his/her self righteous mouth ,it makes one appreciate Jinnah's sacrifice for Kuffar logs in India. lets not forget Kasab was doing work of islam per his handler and also Poak janta who wanted him acquitted because he is just Muslim and we know a Muslim cannot commit such bloody Qital of innocent people.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Jul 2010 10:18

chetak wrote:
Media baron wants India to be defeated in a nuclear war

'Our missiles and nuclear bombs are superior to India's ghosts, so tackling India is imperative. Don't worry if a couple of our cities are also destroyed in the process': Majeed Nizami
Shakil Chaudhary

India is Pakistan's eternal enemy. Unless we defeat it in a nuclear war, it will keep plotting conspiracies against Pakistan, said Mr Majeed Nizami, the owner of the Nawa-i-Waqt, The Nation, and Waqt TV channel, while addressing a function in his honour (Nawa-i-Waqt, June 24). Our missiles and nuclear bombs are superior to India's ghosts, so tackling India is imperative, he declared. "Don't worry if a couple of our cities are also destroyed in the process."

Unless whites hate us SDREs even more than I think they do, I can bet you this much. Lets go back to N^3's nuke nude theory. US sure has complete control over TSP nukes. Shoould they attempt to launch it against India, US will step in. TSP nukes only serve the strategic purpose of USA/Chincom to make us SDREs nuke nude. So the most likely scenario would be that just when TSP is about to launch a nuke, US gains control, and then bargains with India to go nuke nude or else.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Jul 2010 10:36

Pranav wrote:One does not sympathize with WKKs, but still, a certain decorum is desirable.

No strategic advantage accrues by dancing around dead bodies. On the contrary, that will make it easier for SDREs to get blamed for the condemnable outrages that Paks perpetrate on each other. Also, if the goal is to alienate Paks from Pakistaniyat, some tact will be necessary.

Indeed, one does not have to become too emotional, but as I have been emphasizing, if all that the "freedom fighters" can accomplish is this. do you really think it will make a dent in TSPA's terror strategy? And do you think that would alter USA's support to TSPA?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jul 2010 11:49

Lawyer demands death sentence for those leaving Islam

Ex General Secretary of the Islamabad Bar Association advocate Riasat Ali Azad said according to Islamic law a person who converts from Muslim to Christian should be put to death but there is no provision of punishment under the PPC.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Jul 2010 11:55

Guys: Once US leaves Afganisthan, we all know who will rule the roost there, especially if the "good Taliban" are re-instated. Its not my intention to debate whether TSP is failed state or not, but get this. Here is how much respect TSP's has for India's staying prowess in Afganisthan once US leaves:

Once the USA withdraws troops, the Indian diplomatic and security edifice in Afghanistan would collapse like a mud fort in the monsoon

Even a successful state cannot be so sure of its abilities, let alone a failed state.

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 03 Jul 2010 12:18

CRamS wrote:
Once the USA withdraws troops, the Indian diplomatic and security edifice in Afghanistan would collapse like a mud fort in the monsoon
Even a successful state cannot be so sure of its abilities, let alone a failed state.

This is an obvious fact. Taliban will not let the indians or the pakistanis run afghanistan. The only connecting dot between the elite and the taliban is "islam" so when the pakis go to war with india, the taliban supports pakistan but in absence of a non-muslim, the two do not get along.

Do you remember this article below?
Taliban wants 'normal' relations with India when back in power in Afghanistan

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jul 2010 14:41

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... r_captured

Pakistan's military has declared the northwestern tribal agency of South Waziristan, site of a major anti-Taliban offensive last fall, cleared of militant hideouts, and stated that infrastructure development and refugee resettlement is underway

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jul 2010 14:42

Busting Pakistan's madrassa myth

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... rassa_myth

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jul 2010 14:45

Reviewing "Bhutto"

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... ing_bhutto

The film documents Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's rise to power -- the formation of the Pakistan People's Party as a populist political party with the slogan "Food, Clothing and Shelter" (Roti, Kapra aur Makan), and how he later "swept the polls" in the 1970 elections to become Pakistan's new leader.

Except that's not exactly what happened. Yes, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto won the majority of seats in West Pakistan. But Mujib ur-Rahman, leader of the Awami League, swept the polls in East Pakistan (what is now Bangladesh), ultimately winning the overall majority in the National Assembly. Bhutto refused to accept these results, and the subsequent denial of East Pakistan's political rights and autonomy ultimately led to the 1971 war. The film also glossed over the details regarding this war, focusing more on the Indian intervention (on behalf of East Pakistan), than the atrocities committed against the Bengalis or the later establishment of Bangladesh.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jul 2010 15:18

As the US falters in Afghanistan, Gilani talks tough

Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani on Friday said Pakistan has conveyed to the United States that it cannot continue the war on terror on its own and needs active assistance from the civilised world to make it resulted-oriented.

“We have made it clear to Washington that the era of ‘do more’ has gone now and that we want trade not aid,” the prime minister said in his monthly address to the nation on the state-run radio.

Even in defeat, Pakistan behaves like victors. Now, Pakistan really feels that it has once again Afghanistan in its cusp and more importantly, the Americans by their unmentionables. The spate of patronizing and condescending articles and comments appearing in Pakistani media is mind boggling.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jul 2010 15:24

Targetted Killing continues in Karachi: Toll 8 today alone

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jul 2010 15:25

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) statement on the demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at Lahore on Thursday:

It is a matter of grave concern that despite repeated official claims of breaking the back of terrorists, they retain the ability to launch vicious terrorist attacks across the country almost at will. The assault demonstrates the potency of militant groups that the government incessantly repeats operate from sanctuaries in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.

Reports that intelligence agencies had alerted the police about terror threats against shrines in Lahore offer little consolation to the bereaved families though they certainly raise disturbing questions about the authorities’ complacency and flabbiness. Belated statements of prior knowledge of threats only add to the frustration the public feels over security agencies’ helplessness to stop the killings. Nor does bureaucrats’ rush to name external agents reflect on their efficiency or sense of responsibility.

Equally frustrating have been clerics’ stock statement that no Muslim can commit such atrocities. Instead of living in denial, the clerics need to reflect on the reasons for religious extremism in Pakistan and the possible consequences and their own contribution to the promotion of intolerance and the cult of violence.

Thursday night’s bombings strike at the heart of moderate Islam that most Pakistanis practise. Those still pretending that intolerance and extremism are not tearing at the heart of Pakistan are complicit in acts of terrorism and the loss of lives they cause.

Human Rights Commission of Pakistan

Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rahman Malik follows the exact practice that the HRCP found “frustrating” and an example of “living in denial” in the second last paragraph of its above statement:

‘No Muslim can think of attacking Data Darbar’

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Jul 2010 15:28

The UK based Guardian in an editorial excoriates the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Provincial Government of Punjab for following a policy of accommodating Islamic Terrorists:

Pakistan: The crisis of Punjab

No one in Pakistan can tolerate a policy of accommodating jihadis, or keep them as backroom allies in the mistaken belief that this is the best way of containing them

Editorial
The Guardian, Saturday 3 July 2010

It is a bit late in the day to be talking about wake-up calls in Pakistan, because after 18 months of bomb outrages that have targeted the Sri Lankan cricket team, intelligence and police officers, busy market places, and now fellow Muslims, the same policies are still in place: the distinction between "good" and "bad" jihadi groups; the official tolerance of hardline madrasas which give shelter to them; and the ambivalence of local political leaders to those groups.

Take Shahbaz Sharif, Punjab's chief minister and the brother of the former prime minister Nawaz Sharif. Shahbaz assured Lahore yesterday that the people behind the latest attack on a Sufi shrine, which killed 42 and injured 175, would never be allowed to escape. Really? This is the same chief minister who in March called on the Taliban not to attack Punjab because his party shared some of their ideas (he said later that his remarks were taken out of context). This is the same provincial government whose law minister, Rana Sanaullah, campaigned at a byelection alongside a leader of a banned sectarian organisation that attacks minority Shias; and it is the same administration which gave £650,000 to Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a charity the UN put on its terrorism watchlist after the Mumbai attacks. …………........

The Guardian

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 03 Jul 2010 16:45

While the big hitters are scoring their sixers, the singles are also being scored...4 killed in Karachi shootings...but they dont make news may be, but impact is there all the same...every step takes TSP closer to purity nirvana...

http://tribune.com.pk/story/25432/four- ... shootings/

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 03 Jul 2010 17:46

I have one question. Are pakis allowed to post on bharatrakshak?

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 03 Jul 2010 17:48

Yes. But most of them contribute CT's in BR so they end up getting kicked out. Many of them are subjects to psy-ops in their own country. You won't find them on WAB either.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 03 Jul 2010 17:50

Yes. Pakistanis are permitted here.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 03 Jul 2010 17:54

Tourists attending Swat Tourism Peace Festival

SWAT: Tourist from all over the world are attending in great number the Swat Tourism Peace Fair (STPF) which has entered into fifth day here on Saturday, Geo news reported.

Different programs have been organized for entertainment of attendees at fair including competitions of boat contest, horse-riding, kite-flying and industrial exhibitions.

Residents of Swat Valley have arranged a music programs for tourists today whereby people will sing folk songs to promote culture of the valley.

Tourists from country as well as from abroad are turning to STPF fair in great numbers.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 03 Jul 2010 18:07

Pakistan’s forex reserves edge up to $15.83 bn

KARACHI: Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves rose slightly to $15.83 billion in the week ending June 25, up from $15.78 billion the previous week, the central bank said on Thursday.

Reserves held by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) edged up to $12.06 billion from $12.01 billion a week earlier, while those held by commercial banks were flat at $3.77 billion, said Syed Wasimuddin, chief spokesman of the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP).

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 03 Jul 2010 18:10

4.6m tons of rice exported in 2009-10

KARACHI: A record export of rice was achieved during 2009-10, when 4.607 million tons of the commodity was shipped fetching $2.265 billion.

According to official figures the country up to June 30, 2010 exported around 4.604 million tons of all verities, including basmati showing an increase of 57 per cent over the previous year exports of 2.930 million tons.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 03 Jul 2010 18:15

Land of the generals

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 03 Jul 2010 18:16

ajit_tr, what was the officially declared proportion of miceschidt in the rice shipments?

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 03 Jul 2010 18:19

Pakistan's furniture exports showing downward trend

* Lack of tree plantation, skilled manpower, govt's inability to promote R&D for creative designing resulting in decline

LAHORE: Despite worldwide recognition and demand, Pakistan's furniture exports have witnessed a sharp decline from $12 million to $8 million during the last two years due to lack of tree plantation, skilled manpower and the government's inability to promote research and development for creative designing, Daily Times learnt on Thursday.