Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 04 Jul 2010 15:53

Multatuli wrote:
Gerard posted this link on page 56:

http://www.newsofinterest.tv/video_page ... _trail.php
Here again, it's made clear that the US did their utmost to suppress any hint of packee involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Is it because the US is powerless against packeeland or would furter investigation of the packee links to 9/11 unearth American complicity in 9/11 ?

Pakistan use to UNkil is that is always a troublesome thorn to India and upto about 1990 to the Soviet Unipon, it serves thier interest to keep the subcontinent as a dangerous place. It is like one of those Doberman's raised by Police forces in the West which is suppossed to its master's bidding and use to chase people and pin them from ground and prevent them from escaping. Every dog owner/handler knows that its dog will give a bite once in a while when it is not in such a good mood to him/her but does not want to kill it for a minor offence. Only it the dog has rabies or causes serious harm to its owner/ Handler will it be killed by its owner.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Jul 2010 15:57

shravan wrote:Taliban planning ‘media regulatory authority’
“If anyone tries to carry out such practices, he or she will be fined first. If he or she does not refrain from such practices, then the person will be executed under a suo motu action.”

There! That settles that matter once and for all.
No more pakistani TV commentators discussing TTP = Terrorism or good taliban-bad taliban.

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 04 Jul 2010 16:08

Suppiah wrote:

...the ones that remain un-culled can go to KSA, because they are tall fair Arabs, and now some of them can go to turkey since they are similar...we just integrate the land...and its oppressed minorities...not the barbarians

I really don't think KSA or other Arabs are that fond of packees, the KSA uses packees to wipe their arse after the Saudi's empty their bowels, but that's all there is to it. And I am sure the Turks would be more then happy to use packees in a similar fashion, but to allow mass immigration of packees into Turkey? I don't think so. Well, I am sure that the Turks would allow some of the packee women to work as 'special guides' ( Turkey is a major center for the trade in women, mainly from countries like Ukraine, Georgia, etc. ) in Turkey, but they would certainly not allow male packee immigration.

Besides why allow the pakrats to escape and live to fight you another day?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jul 2010 16:43

Gagan wrote:There! That settles that matter once and for all.
No more pakistani TV commentators discussing TTP = Terrorism or good taliban-bad taliban.

Best news I have heard in recent times....all these nonsensical articles against extremism appearing in TSP media have to stop or they may end up delaying the purification process...this move will hopefully do that so that purification can go on uninterrupted...I hope the first candidate is the Aman Tamasha...it is so unislamic..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jul 2010 17:05

Whose Progeny ? - Part III by Mir Mohammed Ali Talpur

I suggest that those who believe that hatred is not widespread or institutionalized in Pakistan, do read the above and the previous two parts (I had posted them here) as well.

Excerpt

The Pakistani state and elite have not only always turned a blind eye to the venomous hate and intolerance preached by millions of pulpits that adorn this ‘land of the pure’, but have also actively promoted it. They patronised preachers of murder and mayhem, thereby creating an atmosphere of fear and intimidation in which no one can object to their sinister and pernicious dogmas. Extremists have been allowed to hijack culture, morality, history, attitudes, and even the minds of people.

This state-initiated process of discrimination between the good Pakistani (the fundamentalist), the not-so-good Pakistani (the secularist) and the anti-Pakistani (Baloch/Bengali/Sindhi/Pashtun nationalists) has created and intensified alienation amongst the people of different nationalities from the state. {Like everything else in Pakistan, such as Islam, Afghanistan, foreign policy, terrorism, nuclear weapons, oversized armed forces etc. etc., the above is also because of the hatred and an ambition to conquer and humiliate kafir India. This obsessive, compulsive neurotic and psychotic disorder has led it to self-destruction.}

The elite, having been donated a country by the British, did not let history take its course but set about engineering it as an exercise in historical eugenics. They feared that the old divisions of language, culture and histories would thwart their ambitions of establishing a semi-theocratic state; they promulgated the Objectives Resolution and launched a full-fledged brainwashing exercise. They hoped Islam’s supposedly irresistibly cohesive force would somehow erase those histories and cultures. For them, apart from the Islamic period that began with Mohammad Bin Qasim, the marauders and looters of Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmood Ghaznavi’s ilk, the rest of history was rubbish.

The elite only succeeded in creating an intimidating atmosphere of fear and insecurity where no one dares to speak against the aggressive brands of religion and human rights violations for fear of being termed a blasphemer.

Whenever confronted with a crisis, the elite have exploited religion. The undertones of religion in the crisis of 1971 are brazenly obvious. Bangladesh’s struggle was termed pro-Indian and so, by extension, anti-Islamic; therefore, the Al-Shams and Al-Badr militias of the Jamaat-e-Islami were in the forefront to crush Bengali aspirations.

Had Islam ever been a force strong enough to raze national identities, all Middle Eastern countries would have been a single entity because of their common language and the same ethnic denomination. They failed to understand that Islam has never succeeded in uniting disparate national sentiments. Their attempt at historical eugenics failed and created the present irresolvable problems.

Had the state spent the money on education and health that it instead spent on the armed forces, had the Objectives Resolution not been passed, had the ‘strategic assets’ and ‘strategic depth’ policies not been adopted, had not merit been smothered in its infancy, and had different nationalities been allowed to flourish, this country would not have been in this situation. {All of those listed above were directly connected with the paranoia about India}

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jul 2010 17:38

Dara explores conflicting religious theories

The Ajoka Theatre presented ‘Dara’, a play about the moving story of Dara Shikoh, the eldest son of Emperor Shahjahan, at the Karachi Arts Council on Saturday, the first day of its three-day showing.

Writer and director Shahid Nadeem described the power struggle between the crown prince Dara Shikoh and his younger brother Aurangzeb as the clashing religious ideologies of the subcontinent over centuries.

Covering the extremist mullah ideology overshadowing Islam even today, the play brings to light an intriguing question regarding the disputes between the Salafi and Sufi forms of Islam, and a fight that continues in this region until now.

In the play, Aurangzeb is shown as the fanatic Islamist who wanted to impose his strict interpretation of Shariah on the subcontinent, whereas Dara is the benevolent prince who wants to dwell in the hearts of the public through inter-faith harmony.

The play explores how the course of history might have been altered if Dara had ascended to the throne as per Shahjahan’s wishes.

While introducing the play, Nadeem said, “The play is an attempt to relive the glorious though tragic period, bring back Dara into our collective historical and cultural consciousness and redress a monstrous historical wrong.”

“It is an extreme irony that Aurangzeb, the killer of his brothers, nephews, his own offspring and the destroyer of the Mughal Empire, has been projected as a Muslim hero and a role model by our partisan historians and biased scholars. On the other hand, Dara, the great scholar, sensitive artist, passionate and devoted Sufi, patron of arts, prince of the people and the visionary, has been almost wiped out from history books,” he added.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 04 Jul 2010 18:05

Just when we were all wondering why the pakis love to emulate the Turks comes this next article (A WKK type stuff) in Daily Yawn that seems to explain it all (may be OT but ...):

Mediaeval India: The Turks

The term ‘Turk’ was first used in the sixth century. Turks were the wandering tribes of Central Asia. The Chinese used to call them ‘Tukutch’, the Greeks called them ‘Turkoi’ while the Arabs knew them as ‘Aturk’. The Iranians referred to them as ‘Turkman’. When the Turks arrived in India, they were known as ‘Turkshaka’ by the locals.

Arab conquerors enslaved a large number of young Turks and sold them as slaves. Soon it became a symbol of prestige for the elite to use Turk slaves as their household workers.

The Turks had bitter relations with the Indians as they had usurped power there and exploited Indians. In Sanskrit, the Turks were referred to as oppressors and brute people who had rendered great damage to Indian society. In one of the Sanskrit writings, it is mentioned that the Turks caused great damage to temples as they used to take refuge in them. The temples that were once filled with worshippers became barren and desolated. Everything changed as the Turks occupied this land!

So, the pajis with this long lost love for their arab ancestors and eternal hatred towards Hindus, and in order to ingratiate themselves to that arabic order, have decided to emulate the Turks. See the connection?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 Jul 2010 18:20

I wonder ...

If Shia can deviate from the Sunni, on the basis of Ali's status and the martyrdom of his son, Husayn ibn Ali, then perhaps Indian Muslims could give some thought to the 'martyrdom' of Dara, and follow his outlook, rather than follow those who follow Aurangzeb's outlook!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Jul 2010 18:28

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266080

Religious leaders must understand that there are sizable non-Muslim populations living in Muslim countries. They too have human rights, just as Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have human rights. It is just and fair to speak out about the atrocities against the people of Gaza. But they must also speak out against the killings of Ahmadis. Their silence, even approval, destroys their credibility. The net loss will be of minorities everywhere. The pain and trauma suffered by innocents is stark and ugly, if they happen to be on the wrong side of a religious, caste, colour or language divide. This was understood by Prophet Mohammed when he pardoned all those who spent years trying to kill him. Similarly, Gandhiji foresaw the horrible after-effects partition would have. No wonder he spent Independence Day, 1947, fasting to bring about peace in Calcutta, and later, in his late seventies, walked barefoot through the killing fields of Noakhali and Bihar.

Muslim ulema must rise above their narrow parochial approach to life and religion. If it is okay to kill an Ahmadi today, tomorrow it will be okay to kill a Shia in Pakistan or a Sunni in Iran. Where will it all end? After all Allah calls Himself thus: “Rabbul Aalameen, the Lord of the Universe.” He is not Rabbul Muslimeen, Lord of Muslims alone.

Finally, Muslims must lower their obsession with the past. We can be good Muslims without going into a frenzy about who should have succeeded to the Khilafat after the Prophet. Karbala was a tragedy that has sheared the Muslim world for the last 1,300 years. Can’t we come out of this trauma and view Karbala as the heroic act of Prophet Mohammed’s grandson in not bowing before an underserved ruler. He could have easily submitted, and protected himself and his family. Yet, he refused on a moral point.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Jul 2010 18:52

If anyone comes across any Pakistani news-media, blog or discussion forum discussing the police investigation into the Data Darbar blast, any real curiosity about who the perpetrators were, which town or village they came from, what were their names, upbringing, education, background, etc., please bring to attention. It seems very peculiar to me, but most Pakistanis seem satisfied to talk in generalities, and of course, to blame unseen foreign forces or unnamed internal ones.

Tx in advance!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Jul 2010 19:41

Pak Govt, Oppn Agree to Develop Joint Strategy on Terror

Pakistan government and main opposition PML-N have agreed to stop the "blame game" over a wave of militant attacks in the country and develop a "joint national strategy" to tackle terrorism and extremism.

What left unsaid is ... The strategy involves redirecting all loonies to Hindustan

The decision was made during a telephonic conversation late last night between Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Jul 2010 19:44

A_Gupta wrote:If anyone comes across any Pakistani news-media, blog or discussion forum discussing the police investigation into the Data Darbar blast, any real curiosity about who the perpetrators were, which town or village they came from, what were their names, upbringing, education, background, etc., please bring to attention. It seems very peculiar to me, but most Pakistanis seem satisfied to talk in generalities, and of course, to blame unseen foreign forces or unnamed internal ones.

Tx in advance!

Well a few have been arrested but arrests mean nothing. This is a country where the crime scene was hosed down minutes after a former PM was assassinated. Denial runs deep.

One news item says that a victim has been identified as a terrorist and they lost the hnce to get the real guy because they were chasing a victim. I don't know whether this is funnu.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/25575/suspe ... -a-victim/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Jul 2010 19:51

anupmisra wrote:Just when we were all wondering why the pakis love to emulate the Turks comes this next article (A WKK type stuff) in Daily Yawn that seems to explain it all (may be OT but ...):

Mediaeval India: The Turks

Explains in part why Muslims are called "Turukaru" (Turk) in Kannada and "Turughan" in Tamil.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 04 Jul 2010 19:56

Firing near Data Darbar; suspect held

LAHORE: More than five suspects were held when a firing incident took place in the market adjacent to the shrine of Data Ganj Bukhsh, ARY NEWS reports Sunday.

The firing continued for more than three minutes. No casualty was reported.

Media reports say police have arrested more than five suspected persons from the market. One of them is said to be an Afghan-national. They were immediately moved to undisclosed place.

Television footages showed police commandoes and Elite Force troops climbed rooftops of houses close to the Data shrine and took positions to raid a house in the market area.

Severe tense gripped the area, causing stampede in the shrine following the firing incident.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jul 2010 20:36

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... sday-jd-01

Zardari goes to Beijing..taller than mountain are good friends...they will not send bill for 'translation services' to their puppet, they will pay for it...

President is keen that the multifaceted strong Pakistan-China relations already supported by the top leadership of the two countries should also percolate down to the level of ordinary people in both the countries.

Ordinary Chinese, whether in China or elsewhere, regard Pakbarian animals as scum of the earth and hold them in contempt...this love fest is purely at licker-licked level...

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 04 Jul 2010 20:37

Pakistan's Foreign investment shrinking
By Shahid Iqbal
Wednesday, 30 Jun, 2010

KARACHI: All major sectors having attraction for foreign investors lost their charm as either investment flew out or shrunk to the minimum level except the oil and gas exploration sector.

The telecommunications, which has been the centre of attraction for foreign investment for a decade, witnessed a steep fall as foreign investment reached just $378.7 million during year ending on June 30.

The State Bank reported that in the first eleven months the foreign investment in telecommunications declined by 48 per cent, while the communications witnessed a fall of 63 per cent. During the same period last year the telecommunications attracted $727 million.

Still attractive is the oil and gas exploration sector, which is the only sector where the investors poured almost the same amount of money. During this period the sector received an investment of $654 million compared to $658 million last year.

This was the highest amount of foreign investment in any sector. The total amount remained just about $2 billion during this period.

The picture emerging from the investment trend shows that the country has lost attraction even in the sectors having great potential to earn like power sector.

The power sector faced a net loss of 117 per cent and instead of inflows there was an outflow of $17 million. During this period of last year the power sector had received $100.7 million. Food packaging, which received $102.4 million last year, attracted just $5.4 million this year. However, food sector received higher amount of $72 million compared to $46 million last year.

Another major center of attractions was financial business but it lost the ground and failed to attract foreign investment. The sector attracted $154 million compared to $689 million during the same period of last year. It is a fall of 77.7 per cent.Though, the foreign investment trend changed globally due to financial crisis in the United States and Europe, while it engulfed entire developed world but developing countries like China and India succeeded to maintain their position and remained attractive for foreign investment.

Analysts believe the country has great potential for foreign investment but the war-like-situation in North of Pakistan, Afghanistan and series of suicide bombings in major cities, including the capital city, rocked the confidence of investors.

They said the country needs to promote its image by improving general law and order situation despite the continued war against terrorism.

The newly-born information technology, which started its journey with enthusiasm to compete with India, fell apart as it witnessed a net outflow of $82 million during this year, while last year it had attracted $62.5 million.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... inking-060

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jul 2010 21:20

Dawn is incorrect on the first usage of the word Turk to describe the people. In the Persian legend of Rustam and Shorab, Rustam achieves fame in defeating the Turcomen invaders. So its more older than 600A.D.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 04 Jul 2010 22:46

shiv wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Just when we were all wondering why the pakis love to emulate the Turks comes this next article (A WKK type stuff) in Daily Yawn that seems to explain it all (may be OT but ...):

Mediaeval India: The Turks
Explains in part why Muslims are called "Turukaru" (Turk) in Kannada and "Turughan" in Tamil.

And "Turkollu" in Telugu.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 04 Jul 2010 23:28

Anyone from KA know why they are referred to as "Saburu" in Kannada.

TIA.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 Jul 2010 23:40

Theory of Droneacharya

“A police officer doesn’t need a court order to defend himself if someone pulls out a gun,” Michael E. Leiter, who heads the National Counter-terrorism Centre, said at a security conference here. “The US government has that same right of self-defence internationally.”

The US has carried out at least 144 air strikes in Pakistan under a covert. CIA programme using aerial drones, according to Long War Journal, a blog that counts the strikes using media reports.

note-ramana garu , now,Headline stands corrected

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 05 Jul 2010 01:02

Terror mastermind among 11 held in Lahore

LAHORE: The police on Sunday apprehended 11 terrorists, including an alleged mastermind of the recent attacks on Jinnah Hospital and Ahmedis’ worship places in Lahore.

In addition, huge cache of arms and ammunition, including hundreds of missiles, anti-craft guns, rocket launchers, hand grenades, modern rifles and 23, 000 kilograms of explosives, were recovered from the possession of held suspects.

According to police authorities, this was the largest-ever depot of arms explosives recovered from Lahore. The explosives could have devastated one-third area of the city, police said.

The police further said that terrorists had stored the explosives at three different locations in the provincial capital. But the police was investigating how the terrorists managed to bring such a huge quantity of arms and ammunition in the city.

According to investigation agencies, terrorists were trying to build arms depot in different cities of Punjab. SAMAA

Yeh kya hai ?

saip · Post by **saip** » 05 Jul 2010 02:00

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 05 Jul 2010 03:53

shravan wrote:Terror mastermind among 11 held in Lahore
LAHORE: The police on Sunday apprehended 11 terrorists, including an alleged mastermind of the recent attacks on Jinnah Hospital and Ahmedis’ worship places in Lahore.

In addition, huge cache of arms and ammunition, including hundreds of missiles, anti-craft guns, rocket launchers, hand grenades, modern rifles and 23, 000 kilograms of explosives, were recovered from the possession of held suspects.

According to police authorities, this was the largest-ever depot of arms explosives recovered from Lahore. The explosives could have devastated one-third area of the city, police said.

The police further said that terrorists had stored the explosives at three different locations in the provincial capital. But the police was investigating how the terrorists managed to bring such a huge quantity of arms and ammunition in the city.

According to investigation agencies, terrorists were trying to build arms depot in different cities of Punjab. SAMAA

Yeh kya hai ?

23000 kgs of explosives!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jul 2010 05:01

darshhan wrote:
23000 kgs of explosives!

sigh! Now one more NATO truck will have to be hijacked before burning the rest.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 05 Jul 2010 05:15

RajeshA wrote:I wonder ...

If Shia can deviate from the Sunni, on the basis of Ali's status and the martyrdom of his son, Husayn ibn Ali, then perhaps Indian Muslims could give some thought to the 'martyrdom' of Dara, and follow his outlook, rather than follow those who follow Aurangzeb's outlook!

The Pakistanis have such a convoluted view of history that they hold Akbar, whom the rest of the world knows as the creator of the Mughal Empire, responsible for its downfall! Dr Mubarak Ali wrote a research paper entitled "Akbar in Pakistan's textbooks" in 1992. He says, "In 1933, Muslim scholars in India started blaming Akbar for the downfall of the Mughal dynasty and declared him a taboo subject."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jul 2010 06:02

Airavat wrote:Dr Mubarak Ali wrote a research paper entitled "Akbar in Pakistan's textbooks" in 1992. He says, "In 1933, Muslim scholars in India started blaming Akbar for the downfall of the Mughal dynasty and declared him a taboo subject."

The whole rot set in a long, long time back. The below is what I posted a few months back here.

The 17th century Naqshbandi Sufi theologian Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi (aka Mujaddid-alf-e-Thani) ensured that the ijtihad of Akbar did not allow the influence of Hinduism on Islam. His time coincided with that of Jehangir and Jehangir’s grandson, Aurangzeb was greatly influenced by Sirhindi. Many credit Sirhindi for having introduced communalism that led to the creation of Pakistan three centuries later. He reportedly praised cow-slaughter in India as a great Islamic act. Later his family members settled down in Afghanistan and have been singularly responsible for a lot of mayhem we are seeing there today.

Similarly, the 18th century saw another Sufi theologian, Shah Waliullah Dehelvi, who appeared at the time the Moghul empire was declining after the unpopular rule of Aurangzeb with the Hindus and the Sikhs revolting. He helped the Afghan King Ahmed Shah Abdali (Durrani) to fight the Mahrattas in the War of Panipat. He too belonged to the Naqshbandi sect. He felt that the decline of Islam was due to non-Islamic influences like those of the Hindus. He wanted an intensification of Aurangzeb's efforts.His thoughts led to the creation of the Berelvi sect. Sayyid Ahmed Berelvi was a disciple of Waliullah’s son, Shah Abdul Aziz. Berelvi declared jihad against the Sikh rulers.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 06:11

Absurdistan

Nothing new in this WKK-type article that complains about typically porki things. Except that this one-liner caught my eye:

Pakistan has a population of 180 million and growing faster than anyone can say contraception.

Hey! Isnt a country's growing population a measure of its future strength (energy, youth, vitality, buyer's market...). In porkiland, however, it (growing population) is a cause for worry.

Is anyone figuring out how we’re going to provide jobs for this massive number of young people? I don’t think so. The HEC has seen its budgets slashed because of higher defence expenditures so there goes higher education. Look at any developing country and you can see the emphasis on information technology and transforming the economy into a knowledge-based one. Usually a technocrat with dynamism and a solid background is put into this slot. Luckily for us our leaders like the fact we are an agrarian economy and see no need for any of the optical niceties.

Is he talking about India?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 06:14

AQKhanisms

Even if Hazrat Isa’s donkey went to Makka many times, on its return it would still be the same donkey.

Explains why a porki haji has no chance for redemption. Once a proki, always a porki, hajj nothwithstanding.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 05 Jul 2010 06:16

Creation of Pakistan was a punishment

Some years later, in a secluded college library in Massachusetts, I read a very different account of the Two-Nation Theory. Here I learned that it was devised in the 1930s by a group of desperate Muslim politicians who wanted to extract some constitutional concessions from the British before they left India.

But the politicians’ gamble failed; they were taken up on their bluff and were given a separate country, abruptly and violently cut-up, two far-apart chunks of Muslim-majority areas (but what about the poor Muslim minorities that were still stuck in Hindu-majority areas!) that its founders (but it was a mistake!) now had to justify with the subtleties of their theory.

It was like a punishment.

A few days later, I read in the newspaper that the police had made an arrest in the Ahmadi attacks. The suspect’s name was Abdullah and he was 17 years old. When asked for his motives, he said that he had learned that Ahmadis were drawing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, “so their bloodshed was a great service to Islam.”

Was he taught about the Ahmadis in the mountains of Waziristan, where the police say he trained for his mission? Did he witness an American drone attack there? Did he think it was carried out by Ahmadis? Was it confirmed for him by a popular talk show host that the Ahmadis were America’s agents in Pakistan? And, in Waziristan, was he trained by the good Taliban, the ones the Pakistani military is trying to protect, or the bad Taliban, the ones it is trying to kill?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 05 Jul 2010 06:18

The next intervention
by Ahmed Quraishi

There is no question that Mr Pervez Musharraf left behind a sordid strategic situation where Pakistan was relegated from confronting a worthy adversary like India to fighting insurgencies that popped up from nowhere

Pakistan also needs to shed the apologetic attitude over our nuclear capability. Stop saying we only built them because India did it.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 05 Jul 2010 07:23

Islamic juistice sample for love jihadis
Woman and daughter stripped, thrashed

MUZAFFARGARH: Fourteen people are reported to have stripped naked a woman and her daughter on Saturday and thrashed them in the presence of a large number of people in Shehr Sultan, a town near Mirwala.

Sources said the suspects got hold of 50-year-old Allah Wasai and her 14-year-old daughter Ashraf Mai when they came out of their home in Berwali to go to their fields.

They then proceeded to teach the women “a lesson for the wrongdoing of Allah Wasai’s son”.

SHO Mahboob Tangwani said the main accused, Safdar, alleged that Allah Wasai’s son Saddam Husain had an affair with his daughter. He and his 13 accomplices held the woman and her daughter at gunpoint, stripped them naked and thrashed them.

A large number of people were there but none of them came forward to rescue the women from the assailants.

Local resident Allah Ditta later informed police.

A police team freed the women from the accused and gave them clothes.

A case was registered against the 14 accused, including Safdar, Mirza Khan, Siraj, Haji Afzal, Jameel, Akbar and Athar under 354/148 and 149 sections of the Pakistan Penal Code. Akbar and Jameel have been arrested.

According to police, the accused justified their action and said that a dispute over distribution of irrigation water had caused a clash in which people from both sides were injured.

Now that we are seeing so many love jihadis targetting kafir girls and converting them to ROP. Some one needs to administer them some shariah prescribed juistice.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 05 Jul 2010 07:45

Was it confirmed for him by a popular talk show host that the Ahmadis were America’s agents in Pakistan? And, in Waziristan, was he trained by the good Taliban, the ones the Pakistani military is trying to protect, or the bad Taliban, the ones it is trying to kill?

Pakistani sanitation engineers in my town were let go because they only treated the bad waste, keeping the good waste (hoping it might be useful to fight India).

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jul 2010 08:10

Government In Pakistan Calls Meeting On Terrorism

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/05/world ... pstan.html

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jul 2010 08:27

Pakistan Army Finds Taliban Tough to Root Out

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/05/world ... istan.html

True victory remains elusive.

And they said the whole world is watching and studying their successful military mission.

partha · Post by **partha** » 05 Jul 2010 09:40

Paul wrote:Anyone from KA know why they are referred to as "Saburu" in Kannada.

TIA.

"Sabaru" is a plural of "Sabi" and wiki says this about etymology of the word Sabi

as-Sābi'ūn is the plural of Sābi', which means "proselyte" (such as an apostate from Islam) who has left his original religion, or anyone who has left the religion that he used to follow and joins another. The Arabs called such a person Sābi'.

So most probably, the Arabic word sabi was borrowed by Kannada. It may have been used
first in the Mysore region during Hyder / Tippu's rule when lots of people were converted
to Islam.

vic · Post by **vic** » 05 Jul 2010 10:06

shravan wrote:Terror mastermind among 11 held in Lahore
LAHORE: The police on Sunday apprehended 11 terrorists, including an alleged mastermind of the recent attacks on Jinnah Hospital and Ahmedis’ worship places in Lahore.

In addition, huge cache of arms and ammunition, including hundreds of missiles, anti-craft guns, rocket launchers, hand grenades, modern rifles and 23, 000 kilograms of explosives, were recovered from the possession of held suspects.

According to police authorities, this was the largest-ever depot of arms explosives recovered from Lahore. The explosives could have devastated one-third area of the city, police said.

The police further said that terrorists had stored the explosives at three different locations in the provincial capital. But the police was investigating how the terrorists managed to bring such a huge quantity of arms and ammunition in the city.

According to investigation agencies, terrorists were trying to build arms depot in different cities of Punjab. SAMAA

Yeh kya hai ?

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!! Lahore police atlast raids the Army depot

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Jul 2010 10:12

Looking at NYT report, I wonder how TSPA can take out the pure with F-16 aircraft - I guess they don't have laser guided bombs like Unkil does and use conventional drop bombs. They can only fire and hope that it strikes the pure and not the less pure. In that process many less pure get their 72s and the remaining become purified...quite a good circle of virtue...

the Pakistani military relies more and more on American-supplied F-16 fighter jets and Cobra helicopter gunships to bomb militants in areas of treacherous terrain, increasing civilian casualties

The United States is satisfied that Pakistan is using the American warplanes and helicopters in an appropriate manner, an American military spokesman said

So looks like Unkil wants to de-populate TSP...not a bad idea..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jul 2010 10:26

an interesting article on the flesh trade in pak

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-orne ... 05113.html

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Jul 2010 10:26

Mulla-barian animals protest Data attack - even now they are not willing to say it is an offense to kill civilians, whatever their religion...

"Whosoever kills a Muslim has nothing to do with Islam.”

So we are perfectly okay if they kill non-muslims, including Ahmedis who are not Muslims...

Moreover, the terrorists are not killing Muslims - they are very careful to declare these enemies to be non-Muslims before killing them so it is perfectly in compliance with scriptures. Ahmedi's are not because they question prophet, Sufis because they worship graves and so on....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jul 2010 11:49

Chanaakya, Its "Droneacharya" not "Dronacharya".

About "sabaru" could it be similar to "saibulu" in telugu -i.e. plural of saibu?