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Sanjay M wrote
I disagree - the US, though maybe not the UK, sees AlQaeda as a more dire near-term threat than Russia. It's only the Atlanticists in the US who always see Russia as the greatest enemy. Obama wants to reboot relations. As for KSA's enmity with Iran, that didn't stop them from shrieking loudly against Israel's bombardment of Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon.
Do you still believe in the AQ bogey? AQ is a shadow of its past - if it at all existed. Its major fields are now mostly in shambles except in interior Africa, Yemen and Chechnyia. Even here, except in the African portion, they are playing more a role of coordination and resource mobilization from elsewhere. I don't think even the Americans believe in the AQ excuse that much. Highlighting of AQ will increase now - since it is a spent or insignificant threat in AFPAK. By concentrating media focus on the AQ, Obama can justify the final withdrawal from the region by citing the weakening and "removal" of AQ. the Americans would not have raised such a din about AQ, if AQ remained a force to reckon with. Any terrorist element that USA feels is strong enough to be useful, USA does not focus media blitz against it. Just as it does not raise the bogey of TSPA, or ISI, or the Talebs at the level it does AQ.
No amount of bribery for Taliban would help to get rid of AlQaeda, which is a fundamental prerequisite for the US.
Bribery of Talebs has nothing to do with AQ. It has everything to do with protecting TSP.
That would be the best strategy for AlQaeda too, since putting Islamabad on the back foot would keep the heat off them. But ultimately, ISI hardliners would love for Islamabad to fall, so that they can gain ascendancy. So they don't mind seeing Islamabad burning, as they see it as a way to renew Pak like a Phoenix from the ashes.

The more chaos Pak is in, the more leverage the ISI have.

Even if all of Pakistan were on fire, this wouldn't bother the ISI one bit, and they would keep right on pressing their agenda. I wanted to start a thread called "Why Kaangress is like the ISI" because in both cases, you have organizations that are fanatically committed to their agenda, even if the country collapses underneath them. Ultimately, both entities are like a state within a state, and both feel that the country is merely a shell to house their all-important selves.
Once again, if you drop the AQ from the equation for a moment in your analysis, you can see why the ISI is not not necessarily planning to cut the bough of the tree on which it is sitting. Agencies have a handicap - they are not directly involved in politics and do not have a public political face to focus popular support. So they need a political front to support and maintain them. I have repeatedly suggested that both ISI and TSPA will have grown a common body with portions of the Taleb, where Talebs form the political arm of the Islamist state, and the TSPA+ISI forms the military+security apparatus of the Islamist state.

The actual results of agency's actions may turn out to be different from that intended. However, even the most fanatic is constrained by the consideration of support base.

Moreover, my whole point was that if the whole of TSP is boiling, the whisky-swillers at Islamambad will be forced to yield to the Taleb+ISI combination. This removes the last vestiges of formal international sympathy extraction process used by the Pakis and will help to isolate the Paki cause at least formally. We know that the usual suspects will continue to support the Talebjabis but they will have to do it surreptitiously. It will help to confirm the fact internationally that Paki occupied western India is failed state and does not exist as a internationally recognizable state any more.
But nobody would be finishing Talibs off on the plains. Talibs would remain unopposed:
Talebjabis will be used by the ISI component of the new Islamist proto-state in the north against India. India will be forced to react militarily and will have all the right excuses to do so. On the plains, Talebs will be short work. If India sheds its inhibitions this will be a good time to clear the whole area for good.
Pak would only abdicate to Taliban advances, and/or strike deals with them.
Pak would then use the Taliban advances to arm-twist the Americans for more aid, blaming them for the Taliban resurgence.
It is possible. But the Taleb component of this Taleb+ISI+TSPA is not going to remain stationary. Their next political step will be to remove popular support from behind the formal gov by focusing on a Jihad against India and the US to mobilize the common Paki. This is where the breakthrough that India needs [of course if it is able to produce the leadership at that point].
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X Posted from the “Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism” thread

Looks like the the Karzai administrations overtures to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is over and it is back to Afghanistan calling the spade of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s fomenting terrorism in Afghanistan, a spade.

Afghanistan’s National Security Adviser Dafdar Rangin Spanta:
Afghanistan urges Pakistan to target terror groups

By Lynne O'Donnell (AFP) – 8 hours ago ...............................

Spanta told AFP on Monday that Afghanistan had "tremendous evidence" that Pakistani authorities allowed Al-Qaeda and other terror organisations to operate on the country's soil and had presented it to Islamabad "many times".

Islamabad had failed to act against the groups based in Pakistan's tribal areas on the Afghan border, he told AFP.

"My expectation is that Pakistan after nine years -- because theoretically Pakistan is part of the anti-terror alliance -- they have to begin to take some serious measures against terrorism," he said.

"They have to hand over the leadership of the terrorist groups, they have to give a list of the people they have arrested and are holding in the detention centres in Pakistan.

"We have evidence that the terrorists from Pakistan are involved in daily attacks against our people and international 'jihadi' groups are active here. They have their base and sanctuaries behind our border and this is a serious problem.

"We have to address the menace of terrorism," Spanta said..........................
"It is not a particular secret that the terrorists have sanctuaries in Pakistan, that they have training centres, that they have the possibility to come to Afghanistan, attack us and go back," said Spanta.
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Al Qaeda probably did exist, but I think it was a lot smaller than portrayed and had a larger role as a financing center rather than a paramilitary group like Hezbollah. It's been inflated probably because any country fighting an Islamic movement claims it is "linked to Al Qaeda".
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Sanjay M wrote: The thing is that India wouldn't sit idly by while Pak sets J&K on fire again. Nor would NA sit idly by and meekly allow some pro-Pak govt in Kabul to disenfranchise them.
Kurds never handed over all their arms just because US forces had arrived in Iraq, neither did Kosovo Liberation Army.
Afghanistan knows it is screwed, caught been US and Pakistan. It knows that once the US exits, it will be at the mercy of pakistan. Karzai is just trying to get close to pakistan so that he remains an influential person in Kabul post-US withdrawl instead of ending up like Najibullah
Anybody who embraces Pak ends up a goner - whether they want to or not.
This is because ISI won't pussyfoot around - Durand Line means too much to them.
Those hardliners want maximum control, and aren't going to trust in some guy who could just as easily flip-flop back the other way again.

Will Karzai announce his acceptance of the Durand Line? Hah, if he did, then he'd lose any shred of legitimacy he has left in front of Pashtuns.
I really have doubts on whether India would be effective in preventing a pro-pak govt in Afghanistan. Even earlier, under the Narasimha Rao and Vajapayee governments, India supported the NA, but NA didn't gain much success. But with the current dispensation in power, I seriously doubt whether they would reactivate any of that. There is already a growing rift between India and Iran.

Look at the last conference on Afghanistan in London and Turkey. India was effectively side-lined in that conference. We didn't get an invite to the Turkey conference, and in London, no one acknowledged the Indian line that there is no difference between Good and Bad taliban.

So what is India going to do to prevent J&K returning to the 90s situation? J&K is already on the boil, due to LeT as admitted by the GoI itself. Knowing fully well that TSP won't lift a finger against LeT, they are going in for composite talks "without letting terrorist activities disrupt it" as per the Bhutan statement.

If India wants to ensure that the TSP threat is neutralized, the time is NOW, not when US withdraws and TSP has an upper hand. Beat it into submission when they are down. But does our govt recognize it? It is still trying to do a deal with TSP while doing nothing in Afghanistan. It has already stopped new projects in Afghanistan. Most of the doctors are back home. We have already given up when we could have really made a difference. Pakistan will string India along for an year till US starts its withdrawl, and then the games will start again. well, we are like this onlee
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Sanjay M wrote: No they wouldn't - why would they want to be in control of Lebanon, trying to manage the day-to-day running of the country, when they are just an Iranian proxy solely focused on fighting Israel?
Thats my point too. They are not interested in controlling lebanon, whereas the taliban is interested in controlling Afghanistan. In 2008, Hezbollah virtually took over Beirut and surrounded all the western backed leaders houses, then gave it back to govt control. You just proved my point, thanks. If Hezbollah wished they could take over the country, but that is not their aim.
Israel already signed a land-for-peace deal with Lebanon, returning the southern buffer zone in exchange for peace. And look what they got - only more war - a very predictable outcome of appeasement.

You seem to be spouting a lot of taqqiya - just like Pak does. They too ask for peace, and then turn around and wage war when concessions are made to them.
huuhhhhhh??? Dude, my point has nothing to do with Israel other than to say that Hezbollah's sole purpose is not to take over or run lebanon but to fight israel and you can't compare the taleban to Hezbollah. Both have totally different aims. I also stated that Lebanon is in no position to defend itself hence why they require hezbollah's presence. I even used "defend" to show that Hezbollah isn't really there for Lebanon's sake but for Syria's sake.
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Sanjay M,
relax. You know why you got banned not too long ago.
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James B wrote:AFAIK, even India as well backed Abdullah Abdullah and that is one of the reason Karzai is behaving indifferently towards India. The reason for backing Abdullah Abdullah was he was seen as efficient administrator while Karzai as an incompetent and full of corruption. I will post a link on this as soon as I find it.

So that only confirms that Karzai is doing a Gyanendra on us.
And that's why Gyanendra isn't in charge anymore.
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AfPak Behind the Lines: Iran in Afghanistan and Pakistan

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... d_pakistan
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Good article. I wonder if Pak will quietly make overtures to Israel, as its conflict with Iran heats up?
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http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... f=obinsite
As a result of Afghanistan's isolation, Pakistan has commanded tremendous political and economic influence over Afghanistan, and, by consequence, seemingly unfettered leverage over the U.S./NATO occupation since 2001. But emerging economic trends can precipitate shifts in power, alliances and geopolitical leverage.

The first real shift is China's entrance onto the scene. China's $3 billion investment in Afghanistan's Anyak copper mine will require the construction of a new railroad between Afghanistan and China's Xinjiang province and an electricity station. Once online, investments in other critical resources like coal, iron, aluminium and marble will rise and induce even more trade linkages between the two countries. This is even without prospecting for other game-changing resources like oil and gas that have long been suspected to be in abundance in Afghanistan.

Second, northern Afghanistan's links to Central Asia will continue to deepen. Thanks to an Indian-constructed bridge in 2007 linking Afghanistan and Tajikistan, trade through that route increased sevenfold within a year and Afghan land values along that route shot up dramatically. Not to be outdone, Russia too has offered to facilitate a rail transit corridor linking Europe to Afghanistan via Uzbekistan. Increasing Afghan involvement in Central Asia can spin off and spill over, positioning it to capitalise on its natural endowments and become the regional hub of water resources, energy distribution and hydroelectric power.

Third, Afghanistan is developing an alternative southern route to the Arabian Sea. While in the past, landlocked Afghanistan depended on Pakistan to transport its goods through the port of Karachi, Indian completion in 2008 of the 135-mile road from Nimroz province to Iran's Chahbahar port provides an efficient transport corridor for goods between Central Asia and the Persian Gulf.

With the Khyber Pass under constant attack, this insurgent-free route could provide an alternative for supplying western troops with non-lethal goods and aid to the Afghan government. This would cost Pakistan economically as well as geopolitically since currently 75 per cent of non-lethal supplies are transported through the port of Karachi. If the U.S. is able to reopen its base in Uzbekistan as planned, Pakistan's influence will erode even further.
The most disturbing consequence for Pakistan is that these economic trends are creating conditions for a de facto partitioned Afghan state. The more stable north and west -- with international linkages, economic growth and acceptance of the Afghan central government and western troop presence -- can emerge self-sufficient and defensible while pockets of insurgency engulf the south and east.

Pakistan's support for certain Taliban elements that underwrite this territorial partition could result in a Pakhtun rump state that galvanises nationalist separatism in Pakistan's tribal frontier. Rather than providing a zone for strategic depth, this "blowback" scenario could redirect militant networks against the Pakistan state, thus compounding its security dilemmas, overstretched military and economic fragilities.

Shortsighted Pakistani strategy may eventually result in a Pakistan engulfed in militant fires while surrounded by unfriendly states after years of Pakistani complicity with militant externalities. In other words, regional economic and political trends shaped by Pakistani policy could lead to the very isolation and encirclement it most fears.
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The most disturbing consequence for Pakistan is that these economic trends are creating conditions for a de facto partitioned Afghan state. The more stable north and west -- with international linkages, economic growth and acceptance of the Afghan central government and western troop presence -- can emerge self-sufficient and defensible while pockets of insurgency engulf the south and east.
It's not entirely unrealistic to imagine that Afghanistan might break up into 2 or 3 seperate nations in the not so distant future, given that there are many different ethnic groups which have age old differences with each other and do not look eye to eye. The Pashtuns are traditionally allied to to TSP and form the taliban with main centeres in South and East whereas Northern alliance aka Uzbeks and Hazaras can break away to form a seperate nation.

Such a situation would be good for us as we could potentially gain access to CAR energy resources via such a nation , gain a foothold with the help of Iran as this situation would be to their satisfaction too.
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vijayk wrote:The most disturbing consequence for Pakistan is that these economic trends are creating conditions for a de facto partitioned Afghan state. The more stable north and west -- with international linkages, economic growth and acceptance of the Afghan central government and western troop presence -- can emerge self-sufficient and defensible while pockets of insurgency engulf the south and east.

Pakistan's support for certain Taliban elements that underwrite this territorial partition could result in a Pakhtun rump state that galvanises nationalist separatism in Pakistan's tribal frontier. Rather than providing a zone for strategic depth, this "blowback" scenario could redirect militant networks against the Pakistan state, thus compounding its security dilemmas, overstretched military and economic fragilities.

Shortsighted Pakistani strategy may eventually result in a Pakistan engulfed in militant fires while surrounded by unfriendly states after years of Pakistani complicity with militant externalities. In other words, regional economic and political trends shaped by Pakistani policy could lead to the very isolation and encirclement it most fears.
Yup, this is exactly what I've been saying.

We all remember Kissinger's original description of the insurgency dilemma:
"All the insurgent has to do to win, is to not lose. All the govt has to do to lose, is to not win."

Similar idea here. All we need to win here is for the North to not fall to Taliban, whereas if Pak cannot successfully take over the North, it will automatically lose, since Pathan consolidation would automatically occur over time. The defender has the tactical advantage over the aggressor, and the natural resistance of Northerners to Pakhtun domination also works against Pak.

The only thing Pak can do, is to resort to brainwashing the Pakhtuns with ever more copious amounts of Islamic fanaticism. Previously, this was a workable strategy, but the arrival of AlQaeda and its internationalist jihadi brigades has then thrown a wrench in Pak's game. This is Pak's own fault of course, for not seeing the risks the AlQaeda jihadis posed with their international antics, such as their propensity to seek monstrous attacks on foreign targets like 9/11. Since Pak is always solely fixated on its own needs and plans, it gave little consideration to the extreme dangers these posed to others. The very jihadi strategy that Pak thought it was conducting on the cheap has then turned out to be very expensive for it after all.

If Pak now again goes back to pursuing the jihadi brainwashing strategy full-tilt to wage war on Afghanistan, then the resulting extremist environment will allow AlQaeda to bounce back and rebuild much more quickly than before. They could again resume devastating attacks on the West while hiding out in Taliban-controlled Southern Afghanistan, and Pak would be hard-pressed to stop them. Haqqani & Co would be less cooperative than ever, and Pak would again be dependent upon them more than ever before.

But the most devastating and effective sneak-attack that AlQaeda could perform in this situation would be a decapitation strike against the Pakistani state itself, in the hopes of seizing control over Pak and its nuclear weapons. Now that AlQaeda and the international jihadi brigades have smelled the scent of the 72 nuclear virgins, they won't go back to fighting for raisins, or for peanuts - they know what the real prize is now, and their mouths are watering.
Pak for them is a temptingly low-hanging fruit, which they should have every reason to make a grab at.

If Pak embeds its troops among Taliban like the last time, then this offers up the rich possibility of self-delivered hostages. "Meals-on-wheels".

The Pak 72 are lasciviously gyrating their hips in front of the drooling jihadis. The ISI chaperone is of 2 minds on what should happen. The Paki politician-babus are busy inhaling the hookah. Unkil is sitting nervously, while voyeuristically watching it all on the security cameras.

Where is their Allah now?
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Nihat wrote:It's not entirely unrealistic to imagine that Afghanistan might break up into 2 or 3 seperate nations in the not so distant future, given that there are many different ethnic groups which have age old differences with each other and do not look eye to eye. The Pashtuns are traditionally allied to to TSP and form the taliban with main centeres in South and East whereas Northern alliance aka Uzbeks and Hazaras can break away to form a seperate nation.

Such a situation would be good for us as we could potentially gain access to CAR energy resources via such a nation , gain a foothold with the help of Iran as this situation would be to their satisfaction too.
Ethnicity and Islam are at loggerheads - they are competing rivals.
In the teetering situation of Afghanistan and Central Asia, emphasis on one comes at the expense of the other.

Afghanistan has always been an artificial state, formed as a result of the repeated invasions by the British. Pak is the inheritor of Britain's Great Game.
Just as the Pashtuns became steeped in war fighting the British invaders, so too did they attempt conquest of nearby peoples like Hazaras, Uzbeks and Tajiks.

It's only natural that the non-Pashtuns of Afghanistan would attempt to escape the confines of Pashtun domination, just as the Pashtuns would attempt to escape the confines of Pakjabi domination. This is especially true in the wake of all the militant training imparted to the region by the West in their war to bring down communism.

The Iron Curtain of the USSR to the north has arguably made the Tajiks and Uzbeks artificially weakened peoples. The dissolution of the USSR has then led to their resurgence, so that their nationalism no longer has to take a back seat to that of the Pashtuns. They can pursue their own nationalism, even as the Pashtuns pursue theirs.

I'd agree with Iran's desire to keep the northern coalition intact among Hazaras, Uzbeks and Tajiks, even while it tries to rope in erstwhile Pashtun players like Hekmaytar.
The thing is that the alliance among these groups has proven fractious in the past, with Uzbeks like Dostum backstabbing Masood and his Tajiks. Pak would try to engineer splits among them.

But Pak's main instrument is Islamic jihadism, which poses its own threat to Pak control.
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Pakistan would likely oppose de facto partition. Managing Islamabad’s reaction would be no easy task — not least because the Pakistan military expects a strategic gain once the U.S. military withdraws from Afghanistan.

Indeed, Islamabad might need to be persuaded to concentrate, with the United States, on defeating the Pakistan Taliban and containing the Afghan Taliban to avoid momentum toward a fracturing of the Pakistan state.
To be read the other way round. :D
There might be potential pockets of fifth column Pashtun in the north and west. Karzai and his associates would almost certainly resist partition — and might not remain in power. Fearing a return of Pakistan dominance in Afghanistan, India would likely encourage Washington to continue ground combat in the south for many years to come — and would have to be told that was not in the cards.
The proposal would find acceptance only if everybody thinks, India has got a problem with it. :wink:

Mr. Blackwill is doing good lobby work for us.
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Ethnic struggles have always been fought within Islam, but it did not tear Islam apart. We should not forget that in the ultimate analysis, Islam provides the hope in subgroups to be able to claim the mobilization of the rest of the Ummah behind their own subregional ambitions, and a prospect for seeking legitimacy over an unlimited empire.

What has happened from the earliest days, is that this imperialist prospect was too tempting for most of the low civilizational level groups that fell within Islamic reach - to completely abandon the memes of Islam, but create a murderous competition to become "purer" and claim greater Islamic legitimacy.

Even in CAR and AFPAK, this means ethnic competition will lead to more intensely orthodox Islamism using that excuse to eliminate ethnic opposition. But as a side-benefit this orthodoxy also attacks non-Muslim interests to prove its credentials. So ethnic conflicts within islam is not necessarily a cause of joy for the non-Islamic.
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cross posted from Af-Pak thread.

I don't believe this interviews with William Dalrymple have been posted before. This guy is a slime ball, a typical western liberal who doles out condescending advice to India; suggesting bogus concessions to appease TSP.

First part of interview; he gives way too much hype on Talibunnies success visa vi USA: All Americans in Afghanistan know that their game is over

The second part of the interview is what got my goat. He naively asks India to cut a grand bargain with TSP; India out of Afganisthan, if TSP keeps out of Kashmir. I mean its all horse trading to prop up TSP, not the dissolution of that terrorist abomination: Indian involvement in Afghanistan was a blunder. Finally, here is a quote, reminiscent of TSP MMS bhai chara, that went unchallenged by the interviewer Aurthru Pias:

I have believed there are more things common between Delhi and Lahore than Delhi and Chennai
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Dalrymple should be told that India has a 3000 year linkage with Afghanistan, that the names Afghanistan, Kabul and Kandahar are of Indian origin, that there were many ethnic Indians( including Hindus) who lived there for years. He should also be reminded that India has been a victim of terror in Afghanistan, and that India has done good work in the country that has been appreciated by the people and the government. And it's not about to abandon all that.

The guy has been notorious for telling Indians how they should feel about their own history, with regard to the period of the Moslem invasions and rule. So it isn't surprising he would tell Indians what to do in another country. Gross!
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If there "there are more things common between Delhi and Lahore than Delhi and Chennai" then could anyone explain why Delhi and Lahore is not one country whereas Delhi and Chennai is?
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He is a descendent of the marriage of an English merchant with a Hyderabadi Muslim lady during the Nizam period. And he values that lineage. Its all in his book "White Mughals."
So his POV is Muslim pasand however Indian media empahasize his English name.
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Dalrymple doesn't even understand TSP or professoes ignorance. Recall, the wish list Kiyani gave to US on the grand bargain:

1) India show white flags and get out of Afganisthan
2) India hand over Kashmir valley on a silver platter
3) civilian nuke deal along the lines with India
4) Lotsa lotsa f-solas and other military goodies (to protect against "threat" from India)

And in return, TSP will consider stop being a terrorist pest. Its unimaginable that unless TSP serves a huge stratgeic purpose, the west who are otherwise shrewd businessmen, would respect such brazen demands. Can you imagine Iran proposing a set of demands like this:

1) Israel be de-nuked.
2) Israel must get out of all occupied territories
3) civilian nuke deal for Iran
4) 4) Lotsa lotsa f-solas and other military goodies (to protect against "threat" from Israel)

And in return, Iran will open up its entire nuke program to US inspectors. Can you imagine the how same think tanks, the same US media, not to mention the night-time comedians would react to such brazen demands from Iran?
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PRC is playing a very dirty role lately in Helmand. I think they are trying to accelerate NATO withdrawal. Or it could be via Iran with PRC facilitation.
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Prem wrote:http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/58871
Pakistan’s “Strategic Depth” and endless war in Afghanistan
Al-Qa’eda can fully open the entire sub-continent as a theater for jihad, and coupled with the collapse of nuclear-armed Pakistan and the presumable Indian military response, we have the Clash of Civilizations. Pakistan vs India becomes Islam vs the Hindu Superpower. And stuck right there in the middle of it is 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan, soon to be controlled by a Taliban-Karzai power-sharing government, a puppet of Pakistan’s "strategic depth." To say it will be ugly is an epic understatement
This is a fantasy and a fake. Several western analysts keep this as the end game but this is un realistic.
The western media can start this kind of slant and it has started it after Mumbai killings.


See here he talks about the mythical Al Qaeda waging war against India. He pretends as if he does not know that the afghan mujahids are also killing people inside Kashmir and India.
Nothing the US could (doubtfully) accomplish before July 2011 will change the events in Pakistan and India. We can install perfect governments-in-a-box in every single province in Afghanistan, it won’t stop Al-Qa’eda from waging its jihad in Kashmir and India.
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Read the article for more.

More Taliban 'need to die' before fighting ends: Musa Qala police chief
The interview with District Police Chief Haji Abdul “Koka” Wali follows.

The Long War Journal: How has security been trending in Musa Qala for the past year, and since the Marines have taken over in March?

District Police Chief Haji Abdul Wali, also known as Koka: Security is better, the best it’s been in some time.

LWJ: It’s my understanding that you have about 200 police officers. Is that force sufficient to secure the area?

Koka: Well, security is good, but if we had 200 more, security would be better in Musa Qala.

[Note: The ANP in Musa Qala are approved for up to 300 officers total, and a recruiting campaign is underway.]

LWJ: Do you get enough support from the Afghan government?

Koka: We don’t have any problems getting pay and equipment for the police force from the provincial government in Lashkar Gah. We don’t have any problems.

LWJ: Can you explain who the people are who are fighting? Who is planting the bombs, attacking Marines and your police officers?

Koka: There are Taliban in Musa Qala. They come in and contract people in the area to put in bombs in the ground and fight with Marines, police, and the Afghan Army. There are people who work with the Taliban in this whole area. [For example], some guy has two sons. One may be a shopkeeper, another might work with the Taliban. Musa Qala is different from other districts that have borders with other provinces, which have [foreign Taliban] coming from other provinces, and from Pakistan. The Taliban here belong to this district, they are mostly local Taliban.

LWJ: Do these locals do it for money, or do they believe in the ideology? Why do they work with the Taliban?

Koka: Well, I don’t know who the top leader is, and if they support [the Taliban] in Pakistan. But the Pakistanis send money, and the people here take it to plant bombs and conduct suicide bombings. It’s for money, because it’s not according to Islam. True Muslim people do not do this.

LWJ: So to clarify: the motivation for joining the Taliban in Musa Qala is money and not religious ideology?

Koka: I do not understand their goal, because there is no permission in the Koran to fight with innocent people. It is also caused by politics, because some local people don’t like foreign people, British, Americans, who are not Muslim, coming to this area. They have incorrect ideas that foreigners are here to take this area, and their behavior is not good, it is not in the Koran and it is not Muslim.

LWJ: What do most of the people around here think of the Taliban?

Koka: Local people have different opinions on the Taliban. Some people like them, and do business with them, and want them to take control of this area again. Some people –like those whose son or brother works with the police – like the police instead. And some people have no ties to the Taliban and no ties to the government, and they just want security, and a good place to live and work.

LWJ: And so how do you get to a point where more people support your police than the Taliban?

Koka: The local people like government, they like the police, they like the Afghan Army.

LWJ: But you said there are three kinds of people. Why do a lot of those people like the Taliban?

Koka: Well, some people want them to come back and take control again. Because the Taliban had control for seven years here, and some people want the Taliban back because they make less money now that there is a fight with the Taliban [instability]. And other bad things like drugs are coming back now that there is a fight with the Taliban.

[Note: poppy cultivation increased 663% in Musa Qala District between 2005-2008, according to the UN.]

LWJ: I understand the opium trade has gotten very big in Musa Qala, what is the government’s official position on the opium trade?

Koka: The government has made it illegal.

LWJ: But it’s so much a part of the culture and economy here. How do you change that?

Koka: Drugs and opium are not permitted under Islam. Since this is the case, why do the Taliban engage in the drug trade? Drugs are Taliban activity, not government activity or Islamic activity.

LWJ: But the farmers who have to put food on their table and make money – they might not want to help the Taliban, but they have to make money. How do you get them to stop growing poppy?

Koka: [Long term], drugs are not good for our economy. We need to find another way to build the economy. The international community needs to come here and help the farmers grow other crops, like wheat and other things.

[Note: ISAF and international development organizations have alternate seed programs that distribute large amounts of seed for crops other than poppy. Unfortunately, the farmers lack a distribution network as well as the ability to process or store some of these crops for sale, and don’t have easy access to the start-up credit available through the opium economy. These challenges make shifting farmers away from poppy more complex than simply distributing seed.]

LWJ: What do you think of the US Marines, and what do you think of their predecessors, the British?

Koka: I like both the British and the Marines, they are both good people. I spent two years with the British. They both have money, equipment and everything, and that is good. The Americans have more influence because they have more troops in Afghanistan. Both are good for me and my country, because they help us. I like the Marines because they are better fighters than the British, who don’t like to fight and attack the Taliban as much. But the British were better at getting me a flight to Lashkar Gah (the Provincial Capital) when I needed one.

LWJ: Any hard feelings about the Americans [ISAF forces] putting you in jail for so long?

[Koka slightly bristled at this question, and later complained to other Americans that ‘all the reporter wanted to ask me about was my time in jail.’]

Koka: A lot of people were arrested back then. By the time I was released, I had no problem with the people who arrested me, I forgave them. They thought I worked with the Taliban, but I did not. The people who arrested me did not have experience with this area.

LWJ: How long do you think the Americans will stay and how long would you like them to stay?

Koka: The Afghan government needs the Americans and people of other nations to stay for a longer time, because Afghanistan will be better when the Taliban is gone. But the Taliban are not our only problem – when they are gone we will still need the American people. We need to have more electricity, good roads, better farms, and reconstruction teams to stay here and help the Afghan people.

LWJ: How strong is the influence of the tribes?

Koka: When the Taliban controlled things, the tribes fought each other more, but now they work together. They all work with the government. Like my guys (the police), they are from different tribes but they help all people, not just their tribe.

LWJ: What’s the long term solution to securing Musa Qala and securing Helmand Province as a whole?

Koka: We need a lot more troops and outposts. We need to send more troops north and south to secure the borders of Helmand Province to keep the Taliban out. That is really important for us, because the insurgent [ringleaders] are coming from outside.

LWJ: What do you think of the Taliban? Your personal opinion?

Koka: We need the Taliban to go far away from Musa Qala, and far away from Helmand. Because when local people try to help build the government, the Taliban threatens them and kills them. This is not good, and it is not Muslim.

LWJ: How much Taliban intimidation is going on Musa Qala and how can it be stopped?

Koka: There are maybe 600 Taliban north and south of Musa Qala. More of them need to die before the fighting and intimidation stops.

LWJ: Why did you decide to serve your country and fight the Taliban?

Koka: I wanted to help the people and build my country.

LWJ: What needs to happen in order to finally secure and stabilize Afghanistan? And what do you think will happen?

Koka: I think the Coalition forces need to stay longer in Afghanistan to help the people. It’s good for everyone.

LWJ: So what happens if the Coalition forces begin to leave in 2011?

Koka: If they leave in a year the Taliban will be strong and it will be like before – the Taliban will take control again. If the Americans leave it will not be good. I am happy to have the Americans in my country. Look at Japan, the Marines are still there. It is very important for the Marines to stay here for a long time like that, otherwise the Taliban will become strong.
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Well, I don’t know who the top leader is, and if they support [the Taliban] in Pakistan. But the Pakistanis send money, and the people here take it to plant bombs and conduct suicide bombings. It’s for money, because it’s not according to Islam. True Muslim people do not do this.
We hear this very often. Does this mean neither Pakis nor Talib-Afghans are Muslims? I think they must be YYYs in hiding...
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Some people like them, and do business with them, and want them to take control of this area again. Some people –like those whose son or brother works with the police – like the police instead. And some people have no ties to the Taliban and no ties to the government, and they just want security, and a good place to live and work.
This is the essence. This is the strategy applied in Iraq very successfully with AQ-rebels by USA.

Current annual war spending by Om-baba is $40++B

The best strategy for USA would be to hire any/everyone >5yrs old into ANA (currently draws $70-80 per month) or some civic-reserve force and make them do hard physical work in a safe surroundings (no access to any type of sharp object - only hand work) . This would take away at least 95+ male population away from Taliban. Cost: <$15 B

Move all female population & males below 5yrs into secured campuses and conduct serious re-education and vocational training programs Cost: <$10B

Use excessive force against anyone roaming around the free country. Cost: <$10B

This will solve the problem in 5-10 yrs.

This is my plan for paki-neutralization in 2030s :mrgreen:
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RamaY wrote:
Well, I don’t know who the top leader is, and if they support [the Taliban] in Pakistan. But the Pakistanis send money, and the people here take it to plant bombs and conduct suicide bombings. It’s for money, because it’s not according to Islam. True Muslim people do not do this.
We hear this very often. Does this mean neither Pakis nor Talib-Afghans are Muslims? I think they must be YYYs in hiding...
This has been nagging me for long. Wtf cares if they're muslims or not? Why is it even a question as long as they keep bombing the common folk? Why is it so important to brand them as (non)muslim? Is it any different if martians bomb them?
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Sanjay M wrote:Ethnicity and Islam are at loggerheads - they are competing rivals.
In the teetering situation of Afghanistan and Central Asia, emphasis on one comes at the expense of the other.
Absolutely true. Add Pakistan to that list too. The boundary-less, universalist ummah has been a pipedream since the very first day of Islam. Otherwise, why are there so many countries even in the Arabian Peninsula ? Even within KSA, Hejaz and Najd have an uneasy coexistence. The East Punjabi Muslims were absorbed seamlessly into Pakistan whereas the Urdu-speaking Ganges-belt Muslims had to suffer both in West Pakistan and in East Pakistan (Biharis) and have even gone to the extent of demanding a separate province for themselves.
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shyamd wrote:Read the article for more.

Look at Japan, the Marines are still there. It is very important for the Marines to stay here for a long time like that, otherwise the Taliban will become strong.
Impressive...A small town Afghan politician/babu with an amazing understanding of US / intl affairs...I think his prophecy will come true..
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Prasad wrote: This has been nagging me for long. Wtf cares if they're muslims or not? Why is it even a question as long as they keep bombing the common folk? Why is it so important to brand them as (non)muslim? Is it any different if martians bomb them?
The other has to be labeled infidel for me to remain muslim. That is the reason behind their search for purity. If no one exists except me in this whole world, how do I know if I am pure (enough)?

That is why it is called RoP (paranoia).
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Severed Trees in Orchards Mirror Afghan History

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/11/world ... fghan.html
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-h ... 35950.html

I do not know anything about the credibility of this journalist or the journal but nice to see the odd amirkhan discussing breaking up of pureland and the khujli it is causing to paki amirkhans.Read the comments.
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Iran, AfPak loom large on agenda: Hindu
India, say officials, is reviewing all its options on the Afghan issue in anticipation of a drawdown of American and allied forces from that country.
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India will train Afghan civil services

Kabul meet: India to back any move for peace in Afghanistan

Terror attacks targeting Indian establishments in Kabul planned in Pak: Afghan intel

US military begins to link Afghan Taliban to Pakistani terror groups

Pak-Afghan border trade deal likely soon Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:38
KABUL: Afghanistan expects to sign a trade agreement with Pakistan this month in a move which could boost stability, but only if its neighbour drops opposition to forward-traffic with India, business leaders said yesterday.
A long deadlock over Afghan demands for transit of exports to India via Pakistan through the sensitive Wagah land route was close to ending, clearing the way for Afghanistan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA) within weeks, Afghanistan Chamber of Commerce director Abdul Qadir Bahman said.
“It is not yet certain, but we have very strong hopes differences have been overcome,” Bahman said.
Landlocked Afghanistan is dependent upon transit countries for its foreign trade, with Pakistan having the nearest seaport. More exports would help President Hamid Karzai counter a Taliban insurgency by improving economic conditions.
Almost 50 per cent of Afghanistan’s trade is with its five neighbours Pakistan, Iran, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan is worth more than $1bn.
But trade is very one-sided, the World Bank says, consisting for the most part by imports from Pakistan, as compared to very little formal Afghan exports.
Bahman said both sides would hold an eighth round of talks before an international conference in Kabul later this month in which donor countries and Karzai’s government will try to chart a path forward for the conflict-torn country.
“The main point is access to the sea for exports to India,” he said, promising a deal would also help combat the current thriving blackmarket trade between the two countries.
“If we sign this agreement, it will decrease that because we will have found a way for everyone to carry out business without any problems,” Bahman said.
Afghanistan, due to its strategic geographic position, hopes to become a regional transit hub for trade with Central Asia as well as South Asia, the Middle East and China, if the security situation in the country can be stabilised.
US and Nato forces are currently preparing a major offensive against the Taliban in its southern strongholds, although the danger of the eastern border was underscored on Saturday when 11 Pakistanis were killed by insurgents as they entered Afghanistan.
Transit to Afghanistan through Pakistan is currently governed by the 1965 Afghan Transit Trade Agreement which specifies ports, routes, transport and customs transit procedures.
Both Afghanistan and Pakistan have agreed on the need for a new agreement to give Afghanistan sea access and provide Pakistan with direct routes to Central Asia.
But Pakistan says Afghanistan is refusing to agree to customs duty on Afghan cargo in Karachi and other measures to combat illegal smuggling such as compulsory licencing, bank credit guarantees and quarantine restrictions.
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Dalrymple did a show about miscegenation relations between indians and british and the plot follows the book "white mughals" but there was nothing on williams own family background in the documentary. It was aired on discovery channel. His indian linage is a revelation for me. I always wondered why he took so much interest in india.
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India may back talks with 'good Taliban'http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/ ... aliban.htm
External Affairs Minister S M Krishna [ Images ], who will attend the conference of about 50 countries on July 20, is expected to underline India's commitment to providing whatever help Afghanistan wants for its capacity-building.Krishna is expected to convey India's support to Karzai government's efforts for reintegration of Taliban elements if that leads to "genuine peace", sources said.
India does not see anything wrong if individual Taliban cadres are rehabilitated after they give up violence, end physical and ideological links with terror, vow to abide by the Afghan Constitution and commit to respect human rights, including women's rights.However, any reconciliation with Taliban as a group or entity is seen by India as dangerous.The Kabul conference is taking place at a time when the Karzai government is working on a Peace and Reconciliation scheme aimed at bringing Taliban elements into the mainstream. Under the scheme, foot soldiers or low and middle-level fighters of Taliban are to be attracted with promises of jobs, vocational training and education.Krishna is also expected to emphasise that India will be forthcoming in providing whatever help Afghanistan wants for building of public institutions and other capacities, the sources said.
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Good move!

If the talks succeed, then India would have won a few brownie points with whatever Taliban are integrated. At least India would not be seen as a country opposing the Pushtuns, in this case the Taliban. Anyway if you can't stop a process, which is not directly detrimental to your interests, give your sanction to it.

If the talks fail, then India would not have lost anything, and nobody would say, the talks failed because of India's influence.

Regardless of whether they succeed or fail, India needs an alternate strategy, and India seems to pursuing it through Iran.
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^^ But we know it is the bad taliban that are on the table - selected by Kayani with Washington approval.
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shyamd wrote:^^ But we know it is the bad taliban that are on the table - selected by Kayani with Washington approval.
But India's public posture can hardly change that, so why try! Support to this Karzai-Taliban 'reconciliation' allows us to maintain some access to Karzai. He is not being forced to make a choice between India and 'bad' Taliban, and since that choice would have fallen in favor of the Taliban, because of the imperatives on the ground and the equation with Washington, he would have had to dump India unceremoniously. India is saving face here.

Secondly India needs to develop her own long term strategy for Central Asia. India has started to do it now through Iran, but it will take some time in maturing.

In a couple of years after Taliban takes over Afghanistan or Southern Afghanistan, Pakistan will get its paycheck anyway through blow-back. There is only so much Pakistan can do to delay the blow-back or limit its intensity through influence of the Taliban leaders.
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This came via an email from a free newsletter I subscribe to from http://www.oilprice.com.
I can not find a direct URL so posting the whole article. The owner of the copyright is acknowledged at the end.

The Strategic Ramifications of a US-Led Withdrawal from Afghanistan Already Becoming Evident From Nagorno-Karabakh and Kyrgyzstan to Europe

The United States and the NATO allies are preparing to disengage and soon withdraw from Afghanistan and even the most vocal advocates of the "long-term commitment" do not anticipate more than five years of active US and NATO involvement. All the local key players -- in Kabul, Islamabad, and countless tribal and localized foci of power -- are cognizant and are already maneuvering and posturing to deal with the new reality.

Irrespective of the political solution and/or compromise which will emerge in Kabul, the US is leaving behind a huge powder keg of global and regional significance with a short fuse burning profusely: namely, the impact of Afghanistan's growing, expanding and thriving heroin economy.

The issue at hand is not just the significant impact which the easily available and relatively cheap heroin has on the addiction rates in Russia, Europe, Central Asia, Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and the consequent public health, social stability and mortality-rate issues.

In global terms, the key threat is the impact that the vast sums of drug money has on the long-term regional stability of vast tracks of Eurasia: namely, the funding of a myriad of "causes" ranging from jihadist terrorism and subversion to violent and destabilizing secessionism and separatism.

Russia is most concerned with these developments because most of them occur on Russia's own doorstep and soft underbelly. Moreover, Russia has always been cognizant of the potential dangers emanating from chaos at the Heart of Asia and the Greater Black Sea Basin. As a result, the Kremlin embarked on a major initiative to secure long-term international commitment to resolving Afghanistan's endemic narcotics problem, which means consolidating a stable form of governance and thus eliminating the consequences of the region-wide narco-funded terrorism and destabilization.

On June 9-10, 2010, the Kremlin convened in Moscow an international forum entitled Afghan Drug Production: A Challenge to the International Community as the launch of the international drive to resolve Afghanistan's long-term challenges where Russian Pres. Dmitry Medvedev delivered the opening speech.

"We consider drug addiction the most serious threat to the development of our country and the health of our people," he said. Medvedev urged the international community to curtail the global spread of drug crimes which fuel terrorism. This would be possible, Medvedev argued, if the international community did not politicize the fight against drugs, narco-criminality, and narco-terrorism.

"The fight against the drug threat should be removed from any kind of politicization," Medvedev stressed. He warned that any "political games" on such crucial issues are inadmissible for they "undermine our joint international efforts and weaken our anti-drugs coalition."

Viktor Ivanov, the Director of Russia's Federal Service for the Control of Narcotics, articulated the Kremlin's case why the Afghan drug production is an international rather than a local or regional threat. "The time has come to qualify the status of Afghan drug production as a threat to world peace and security," Ivanov said.

"This is a key postulate of the action plan that was proposed by Russia to the international community and voiced at NATO headquarters, the European Parliament and Beijing." The Kremlin considers global drug trafficking to be far more destructive than terrorism alone because drug money is the primary facilitator of numerous threats including terrorism.

The long-term resolution of the crisis in Afghanistan is a precondition, Ivanov explained, because "it was drug production that had given rise to rife political and economic instability in Afghanistan...It is Afghan drug traffic that fuels terrorists in the North Caucasus; we need to work together to fight it." Ivanov stressed the Kremlin's conviction that Afghan drug trafficking "is a global problem" because it "feeds transnational crime and terrorism all over the world" and thus merits international solution.

Heroin production in Afghanistan has vastly expanded since the US-led forces entered in the Autumn of 2001. Initially, poppy cultivation centered in the southern and, to a lesser extent, north-eastern provinces - all focus of US and NATO military activities. Presently, poppy cultivation and drug-related activities have spread throughout most of Afghanistan. For example, a large number of heroin-processing labs -- presently estimated at about 200 -- were built as well.

However, ISAF [the International Security Assistance Force, in Afghanistan] prefers to largely ignore the growing narcotics problems for fear of alienating the farmer population that might resent losing its livelihood. However, the US main concern has always been alienating the Kabul-centric political élite, the very same élite which is, at the very core of, and key to, the US-led effort to establish a centralized government in Kabul and a functioning state in Afghanistan. With drug money fueling the political machine which is crucial to the US nation-building efforts, the US has no interest in undermining Afghanistan's narco-economy.

In the Moscow forum, US senior officials acknowledged the US reluctance to commit to the eradication of Afghanistan's poppy cultivation and narco-economy. Patrick Ward, the Acting Deputy Director for Supply Reduction at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, warned that intense anti-narcotics operations "will further undermine the rule of law and reinforce the nexus between drugs and terrorism". He stated that US and ISAF forces must not find themselves in a position where they were perceived as the instrument of eradicating "the only source of income of people who live in the second poorest country of the world".

The US Ambassador to Russia, John Beyrle, reiterated that the US would not take Russia's advice about eradicating Afghanistan's opium harvests anytime soon for fear of engendering popular alienation. UNODC Director Antonio Maria Costa agreed that "there is no rôle for NATO forces in eradication at the farm level" because this will push the population into the arms of the Taliban. However, he urged the US and NATO to embark on a comprehensive program to solve Afghanistan's drugs menace at the national-political level; alluding to the centrality of narco-funds in Afghanistan's politics and power élite.

But the problem of Afghanistan's drugs cannot be ignored by the West because the primary strategic long-term impact of Afghanistan's drugs is the use of the drug money along the distribution routes from Afghanistan-Pakistan through the energy-rich Central Asia to the western Balkans, mainly Kosovo.

The intimate relationships and close cooperation between the drug trade, international terrorism and separatism are not new phenomena.

In the early-1990s, the Sunni jihadist leadership assumed leadership over a thriving joint action. Specific fatwas from Islamist luminaries authorize these highly irregular, seemingly un-Islamic activities because they also contribute to the destruction of Western society and civilization. The Sunni Islamist fatwas are based on and derived from earlier rulings of the higher Shiite courts issued in connection with operations of HizbAllah and Iranian intelligence. The logic of these activities was elucidated in the mid-1980s in the HizbAllah's original fatwa on the distribution of drugs: "We are making these drugs for Satan: America and the Jews. If we cannot kill them with guns so we will kill them with drugs."

The main reason, however, for the Sunni jihadist embracing of the drug-trade was practicality. In the early-1990s, the fledgling jihadist leadership concluded that an intricate system of funding activities in the West was needed. By then, Gulbaddin Hekmatyar was getting ready to ship drugs from Afghanistan to the West and was willing to divert profits from this drug trade to support the fledgling terrorist networks in return for the arrangement of a viable system of money laundering.

An up-and-coming young activist -- Osama bin Laden -- used his knowledge of the Western financial system and his family's connections with the European banking system in order to organize the new financial system for jihad. At that time, the net worth of the Islamist network was estimated at $600-million in the West alone.

Another founding father of the narco-jihadist alliance was Shamil Basayev. Between April and June 1994, Basayev led a high-level Chechen delegation on a visit to an ISI-sponsored terrorist training infrastructure in both Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to arrange for advanced training and expert help, funding for the Chechen Jihad, and acquisition of weapons.

In Afghanistan, the Chechens visited the ISI's training facilities in the Khowst area, then run under the banner of Gulbaddin Hekmatyar's Hizb-i-Islami. In Pakistan, the Chechens had a series of high level meetings with the Pakistani leaders who for a period became the patrons of the Chechen Jihad, arranging for the establishment of a comprehensive training and arming program for the Chechens in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As a primary source of funds for their jihad, the Chechens were offered a major rôle in the expanding push of heroin from Afghanistan-Pakistan into Europe. The Chechen jihad would be handsomely rewarded for facilitating forward distribution facilities at the gates of Europe. Toward this end, Basayev met with individuals identified as "former ISI senior officials", who provided contacts for the drugs and weapons smuggling operations.

Moreover, in early 1994, senior Pakistani officials were reported to have intervened with the Taliban leadership to ensure the uninterrupted flow of heroin from the Helmand valley via Qandahar and Jalalabad. Under the new arrangements, the heroin would now be shipped northwards to an airfield near Chitral, Pakistan, from where the drugs, as well as a growing number of Chechens and Arab-Afghan volunteers, were flown to Chechnya. As the volume of heroin increased, truck convoys were dispatched across Central Asia.

By the late-1990s, as the sums of money available from the drug trade increased, bin Laden and the "Russian Mafiya" (in both Russia and several former-Soviet states) established a complex sophisticated money-laundering operation described by an insider as "an extended and octopus-like network that uses political names in Asia and Africa in return for commissions." The funds were used to finance the Taliban movement and a host of jihadist terrorist operations worldwide. Bin Laden made a commission on these transactions and used this resource to fund his favorite jihadist networks and spectacular terrorism.

By now, the annual income of the Taliban from the drug trade was estimated at $8-billion. Bin Laden was administering and managing these funds -- laundering them through his Mafiya connection -- in return for a commission of between 10 and 15 percent, which provided an annual income of about a billion dollars for the jihad.

All of this was rattled around the turn of the century. First, the Taliban leadership offered to stop the poppy growing as part of its desperate effort to gain legitimacy and support from the West. Although the Taliban eradicated virtually all poppy cultivation in southern Afghanistan, they permitted the jihadists to continue selling heroin from cached stockpiles.

By the time US forces entered Afghanistan in the Autumn of 2001, there was virtually no poppy cultivation. However, the US and NATO demonstrated benign neglect of the country-wide poverty and chaos. Meanwhile, Islamist leaders realized that the best way to ensure grassroots presence and even support would be through the provision of easy cash to the impoverished population.

The jihadist leadership used its supporter networks in the Persian Gulf States in order to clandestinely purchase virtually all the arable land in southern Afghanistan. Islamist emissaries now offered the population economic security in the form of loans and seeds for poppy cultivation on behalf of the mysterious landlords, and secure payment from buyers who would pick-up the harvest directly from the farmers, thus alleviating the dangers of traveling to the market. As well, tribal and local leaders were handsomely rewarded for their cooperation and endorsement of these arrangements.

By the time Washington committed to the establishment of a centralized government in Kabul, the entire power-political system was dependent on narco-funding for its existence and system of patronage. The US realized that it would be impossible to sustain the semblance of pro-Western system of governance in Kabul and the countryside without looking the other way on the rapidly growing and increasingly addictive narco-funding of Afghanistan's upper-most leadership.

Indeed, the poppy cultivation area in Afghanistan rose from 8,000 hectares in 2001 to 74,000 in 2002, peaking at 193,000 in 2007 but going down to 123,000 hectares in 2009. Although the loss is mainly the result of blight attacking the crops rather than eradication by police, the Taliban are effectively capitalizing on the plight of the affected farmers by claiming the farmers were victims of ISAF poisonous spraying and offering financial help in return for the farmers' support of the Taliban.

Presently, some 80 percent of the total amount of Afghanistan's opium is grown in Kandahar, Helmand, and Uruzgan provinces, where the presence and activities of US and ISAF forces is most intense. There are strong indications that farmers throughout Afghanistan are already preparing for a record-breaking opium poppy planting season beginning in mid-September 2010 in hopes of a bumper crop next year.

Slightly more than half the Afghan heroin is smuggled via the northern route: Central Asia, Russia and the GBSB (Greater Black Sea Basin). Secondary is the southern route which carries slightly over a third of the heroin via Iran, Turkey and the Middle East to the GBSB.

Presently, the overall annual income from the Afghan heroin traveling along the northern route alone is more than $17-billion, out of which, the jihadist movement and its localized (separatist/secessionist) allies are making about $15-billion. There is no reliable estimate of the total income of the southern route, but the best guesstimates put it at more than $10-billion, most of which also goes to funding jihadist and secessionist causes (including the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban).

The annual cost of doing business in Afghanistan is below $100-million. The organized-crime networks running the labs and patronage system have a gross income of a couple of billion dollars, a small portion of which is spent on the Kabul power structure. This disparity raises the question of the cost-effectiveness of tolerating the narco-funded leadership in Kabul.

The narco-profits are thus the financial engine of key elements of the current government in Kabul and its regional cronies, as aptly demonstrated in the most recent Aftghan presidential elections. They will not permit their financial life-line to simply go away in the name of democracy or good governance. And having committed to Pres. Hamid Karzai and his patronage system as the key to the future of a modern state in Afghanistan, the US Barack Obama Administration cannot afford to see the administration in Kabul collapsing, no matter who they are or what they do.

Furthermore, the Afghan narcotics system is the key to the funding and sustenance of numerous regional and global dynamics which will not give up easily. The drug smuggling networks across Central Asia and into Russia and Europe are an integral part of a comprehensive narco-terrorist dynamics/system. Drug-trade funds jihadist terrorism and subversion from Tajikistan to Chechnya to Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Moreover, the various separatist and secessionist movements -- that is, minorities feeling pressure of regional dynamics while having sense of alienation and victimization/victimhood -- are easy prey to the lure of easily available large sums of money from the drugs and smuggling trade.

Most dangerous are the minuscule states and state-like entities. Since these states and entities are too small and under-developed to be able to sustain themselves economically and socially in a proper and legal way, their local leaderships tend to look the other way as narco-funded organized crime establishes footholds in their midst. The drug-trade and/or money laundering bring money in and thus financially sustain the mini-enclaves and the chimera of self-determination attained.

Consequently, the various separatist and secessionist "causes" from Central Asia to the Caucasus (not just Chechnya and the rest of the North Caucasus) and to the Balkans have become safe-havens for the drug-trade. These include, for example, the financial and money-laundering centers in Stepanakert and Tiraspol, as well as Kosovo being the primary forward distribution point of Afghan-origin drugs into Western Europe.

And once they gained control over lucrative choke-points, these localized leaders, their cronies and their "causes", will not give up without fierce fight irrespective of their declared ideologies. The on-going fierce struggle for the control over the Fergana Valley by an alliance of jihadists and drug smugglers is indicative of this trend.

The latest round of fighting which started in early June 2010 already resulted in the death of more than 2,000 civilians and the dislocation of a few hundreds of thousands, mainly Uzbeks. The struggle for the Fergana Valley started in March 2005 when Kurmanbek Bakiyev, at the head of a coalition sponsored by organized crime, exploited the US-sponsored "Tulip Revolution" in order to seize power in Bishkek so that the southern coalition could ensure state patronage to their undertaking.

The combination of subversion of Kyrgyzstan's internal power dynamics and horrendous corruption could not be sustained for long. Indeed, it took five years for a coalition of traditional and radical power holders to overthrow Bakiyev. However, soon after Bakiyev was forced out of Bishkek in mid-April 2010, he and his allies started exacerbating the south in order to ensure their control over the Fergana Valley and the lucrative local drug-trade routes.

Hence, the ensuing riots and Kyrgyz-Uzbek fighting were neither spontaneous nor unanticipated.

The toppling of the Bakiyev administration -- which was based on the support of the southern clans and their allies and partners among the organized crime and jihadist circles -- heralded a struggle for power and control over the lucrative drug-smuggling routes via the Fergana Valley.

Indeed, local jihadists rallied to the cause starting late April as a coalition of jihadists and pro-Bakiyev groups began distributing pamphlets and CDs throughout southern Kyrgyzstan urging the establishment of a separate South Kyrgyzstan Democratic Republic under the ousted Bakiyev.

The incitement stressed the discrimination and disenfranchisement of the Kyrgyz southern clans by an alleged coalition of the Kyrgyz northern clans and the local Uzbek population. It did not take long for hatred and violence to erupt, destroying Bishkek's control over the area. The jihadists and drug runners already benefit from the de facto dismemberment of Kyrgyzstan for the separate entity in the south encompassing the Fergana Valley already significantly expedite their operations.

A similar trend is emerging in the Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh within Azerbaijan. For as long as the economic situation was tenuous and there was near complete dependence on the largess of the West delivered via Yerevan (the capital of Armenia), Stepanakert (the capital of the Nagorno-Karabakh region) was ready for a political compromise which was going even beyond the hard-line position of Yerevan in the Minsk Group's negotiations with Baku.

However, as the economic situation in Nagorno-Karabakh began improving mainly due to the trickle-down effect of transmitted and laundered narco-funds, the position of the Stepanakert authorities regarding the future of the enclave has hardened.

In mid-June 2010, Stepanakert objected to a renewed mediation effort by the Kremlin. Stepanakert is apprehensive that a negotiated solution could be reached as Pres. Medvedev convinced Azerbaijan Pres. Ilham Aliyev and Armenian Pres. Serzh Sarkisian to meet in Saint Petersburg for the first time in more than four months and without the pressure of the Minsk Group's mediators. Consequently, the Kremlin reported that the two presidents narrowed their differences on some of the lingering thorny issues.

In response, the Stepanakert Armenian leadership announced that the meeting between Aliyev and Sarkisian "will not help find a resolution" for the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict. Moreover, Stepanakert renewed its demand for a full state status in a new tripartite format -- of Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Azerbaijan -- along with the Minsk Group mediators (Russia, France and the United States).

Concurrently, Stepanakert's renewed political push is given a sense of urgency by exacerbating the security situation along the ceasefire line of contact. Starting mid-June 2010, there has been a growing tension and escalation of fighting along the line of contact. Karabakhi-Armenian troops intensified provocations and exchanges of fire with the Azerbaijani military facing them.

The first major incident took place on June 16, 2010 when Karabakhi-Armenian troops ambushed an Azerbaijani patrol and an Azerbaijani soldier was killed in the fighting. This and a few smaller incidents led to growing tension and intensified military activities along the entire cease-fire line.

The number of clashes, ambushes, cross-border raids and brief exchanges of fire grew. On the night of June 18/19, 2010, Azerbaijani military noted preparations by Karabakhi-Armenian forces in north-eastern Nagorno-Karabakh where an Azerbaijani raiding party attacked the Karabakhi-Armenian positions, killing four soldiers and wounding four others before returning into Azerbaijani-controlled territory. Baku confirmed that one Azerbaijani soldier was killed and his body remained in the Karabakhi-Armenian position. Sporadic clashes and exchanges of fire continued.

Southern Kyrgyzstan and Nagorno-Karabakh are but the two most recent examples of the security manifestations of fringe and extremist policies made possible by narco-funding.

There are countless cases of unwarranted separatist and secessionist causes where the legitimate quest of minorities for self-determination could have long been resolved in a form of distinct region or autonomy within the borders of recognized states. However, the mere existence of virtually unlimited narco-funds -- a byproduct of the Afghanistan-origin drug trade -- enables the separatist and secessionist leaderships to sustain their respective struggles and extreme and unrealistic demands no matter how impractical they might be.

And when the international community refuses to go along with these quests, there emerges the penchant for armed struggle and terrorism if only because weapons and narco-funds are aplenty.

Thus, just starving the poppy cultivation and heroin processing labs in Afghanistan will create a security backlash throughout the Heart of Asia and the Greater Black Sea Basin. Hence, it is imperative to have a systemic approach to resolving not only the Afghan narco-challenges but also the entire regional security challenges aggravated and exacerbated by the mere availability of narco-funds and narco-terrorist groups.

Lastly, there is the issue of state-sponsorship of both terrorism and narco-criminality. These cannot be ignored if tangible long-term eradication of drug problem is sought. At the same time, there is no substitute to the eradication of poppy cultivation and heroin processing labs in Afghanistan. However, the mere physical destruction of crops or labs is only the beginning of a comprehensive process.

Presently the Afghan narco-system has enough built-in redundancy and has enough money to replace interim losses without a tangible systemic loss. One-time or even periodic destruction of assets is therefore an exercise in futility. Therefore, for any attempt to destroy Afghanistan's narco-system to have prospects of success, the foreign forces involved must stay for a protracted period in order to ensure the long-term impact on the affected society.

Moreover, a long-term military presence is first and foremost a question of ensuring the legitimacy of the central and local authorities, so that the people cooperate with them. As well, there is no point in attempting long-term presence by force if the quality and legitimacy of the civilian governance cannot be ascertained.

Simply put: reversing the criminalization of segments of society is an integral part of resolving the core-problems of that society. In the case of Afghanistan this means the legitimacy of the Kabul Government, establishing viable regionally-based governance, and resolving the endemic tribes-vs-local authorities' disputes.

Furthermore, the mere eradication of crops and destruction of labs will only create vacuum and domino effect which breed instability, additional terrorism, etc. Therefore, it is imperative to approach the Afghan drugs challenge in the context of a comprehensive political and security solution on a regional level. The Afghan narco-system is an integral part of a larger problem; and so is the solution. Similarly, no political and security solution is possible throughout the Heart of Asia and the Greater Black Sea Basin for as long as the narco-economy keeps funding the opposition and encouraging violence.

The entire narco-terrorist system constitutes a viable threat to the vital interests of Russia. It is a huge time-bomb at Russia's soft underbelly, therefore, the Kremlin considers the flow of drugs from Afghanistan to be an issue of vital importance - from the undermining of Russian society to destabilizing regional security.

Although Afghanistan is the primary source of illegal drugs in Europe, the Europeans are reluctant to confront the issue of recreational drug use effectively and this attitude diminishes Europe's willingness to address the real challenges.

The narco-terrorism of Eurasia has a minuscule impact on the US and is thus not a priority for Washington, particularly at a time the Obama Administration is yearning to disengage from Afghanistan virtually at all cost. Hence, it is up to Russia -- whose vital interests are at stake -- to lead the struggle against the rising tide of narco-terrorism at the Heart of Asia and the Greater Black Sea Basin.

Virtually all experts in the Moscow forum agreed that the current situation in Afghanistan-Pakistan-Central Asia was not only untenable, but was rapidly deteriorating. The US/ISAF efforts are considered better than nothing, but the near-unanimous expert opinion is that the security effort barely scratches the surface while the most endemic problems are deep-rooted.

The Kremlin wants NATO to stay in Afghanistan but the US is leading NATO into abandoning Afghanistan. Therefore, the Kremlin plans on convincing the Europeans -- specific capitals and the EU -- that the collapse of Afghanistan and the rise of drugs and narco-terrorism are detrimental to Europe's vital interests. The Kremlin hopes to get the EU/Europe to pressure the US to sustain NATO's efforts in Afghanistan because Russia is eager for ISAF to remain as a viable force for the duration.

Overall, the highest authorities in the Kremlin -- led by Medvedev who delivered a very strong opening statement at the international Afghan Drug Production: a Challenge to the International Community forum -- are committed to the Afghan drug-eradication policy in its comprehensive scope/connotation. The Kremlin is petrified by the spread of drugs and narco-funded terrorism, insurgency, violence and instability from Afghanistan via Central Asia into the heart of Russia.

The Kremlin is embarking on an international campaign -- first focusing on the EU and NATO -- to formulate a joint long-term program to eradicate the Afghan narco-system and byproducts. This is a comprehensive plan which recognizes the imperative to first resolve Afghanistan's security and governance problems, but also address the issue of drug-funded separatism, secessionism, and narco-terrorism at the Heart of Asia and the Greater Black Sea Basin as a major policy issue.

What remains to be seen, though, is the extent of cooperation Russia was likely to get from Europe and particularly the United States.

Analysis By Yossef Bodansky, Senior Editor, GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs.

(c) 2010 International Strategic Studies Association, http://www.StrategicStudies.org
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