India-US Strategic News and Discussion

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Jul 2010 02:28

And Indian media is dominated by TSP RAPE and ISI-hobknobing treaitors like Bakara, Noornai and their ilk. Can some bigot like Kancha Illiah ever make an apperance on US TV preaching hate against whites? Look how they came down on Jeremiah wright. Or how they undermined Scot Ritter even though he was right on, on the Iraqi WMD saga. This list goes on. When you have a nationalistic, coporate media like US media, one doens't need state run media like Xin Hua or Pravda. All 3 are equivalent, only the means are different.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Jul 2010 03:04

darshan wrote:How is it an aid when GoI will be paying more than market price? There is a huge difference between buying something and receiving an aid.

The difference is that Indian F-16s will be used against China and Pakistan, but Pakistani F-16s will be used against terroristS.

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 09 Jul 2010 13:25

Indian American appointed to key post in Obama administration
Indians being almost 1/5th of the world population, yes, it's a BIG fu@king probability. Who the hell writes these sort of news in ToI-let? Cause it's every time. Every other week. MF your duty.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Jul 2010 20:49

lsunil wrote:Indian American appointed to key post in Obama administration
Indians being almost 1/5th of the world population, yes, it's a BIG fu@king probability. Who the hell writes these sort of news in ToI-let? Cause it's every time. Every other week. MF your duty.

And I wonder why is in an Indian newspaper? DDM stinks. Just wait for a few more months when Nikki Haley gets elected as governer; the disgusting euphoria in DDM will make anyone with a semblence of self respect and nationalism just throw up.

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 10 Jul 2010 00:37

Here's another one of these "revelations". Two in the last 24 hours.

India sends maximum number of sci, engineering students to US

How many times have you read about an indian american posted in the toppest levels of the obama administration? Can we have a separate thread for pasting these sort of news? Im not kidding. I know we already have the psy-ops thread. But this is different. Lets call it "The Indian Hubri Thread".

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Jul 2010 01:58

CIA's 1971 mole

The role of the mole in Indira Gandhi's Cabinet in December 1971 is very evident in Jack Anderson's Papers and those released by the United States State Department much later.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jul 2010 01:59

Thats a Noorani rant. He doesn't identify the mole and claims everyone knows.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 10 Jul 2010 02:15

CRamS wrote:And Indian media is dominated by TSP RAPE and ISI-hobknobing treaitors like Bakara, Noornai and their ilk. Can some bigot like Kancha Illiah ever make an apperance on US TV preaching hate against whites? Look how they came down on Jeremiah wright. Or how they undermined Scot Ritter even though he was right on, on the Iraqi WMD saga. This list goes on. When you have a nationalistic, coporate media like US media, one doens't need state run media like Xin Hua or Pravda. All 3 are equivalent, only the means are different.

CRams ji , While you are right about indian media having the likes of bakara butt etc , I don't think that US media is nationalist.Majority of US media like CNN,MSNBC,NBC,Newsweek,Time etc are heavily leftist/liberal.A minority of media houses are right wing,conservative and nationalist like Fox,Nypost etc.

Trust me there are lot of traitors in US media as well.One of the reasons is huge amount of Arab money(previously soviet money) that is being poured in Academia especially in schools relating to social sciences and journalism.

But US does have one advantage.The nationalist public is able to mobilize itself very quick and slowly but steadily the leftist media will become redundant.The reason is that a majority of US population is wired and a significant percentage has access to brodaband.Hence they are not dependent on crap offered to them by the leftist media.They do have access to alternate viewpoints and opinions.

In India the majority of population still does not have access to internet.Hence majority of people in our country have to depend on scum like bakara for news.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Jul 2010 07:14

Jones to visit India, lay groundwork for Obama trip

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 507876.ece

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Jul 2010 09:29

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... p-ed+pages

BOSTON GLOBE

US aid fuels dangerous deal in Pakistan

By Selig S. Harrison
June 29, 2010

WITH ONE hand, Pakistan scoops up its multiplying millions in US aid. With the other, it buys nuclear reactors from China that will give it the capability to add 24 nuclear weapons per year to its estimated existing arsenal of 70 to 90.

The Obama administration is focused narrowly on the Islamist threat in Pakistan. It has soft-pedaled its opposition to Islamabad’s $2.4 billion, US-subsidized purchase of two 635 megawatt reactors from Beijing for its plutonium production complex at Chasma. But precisely because Islamist forces are expanding, the United States should refocus on the growing danger that Islamist sympathizers in the armed forces and their intelligence agencies will once again make Pakistan a nuclear rogue state.

It was only six years ago that Pakistan’s nuclear czar, Abdul Qadeer Khan, was arrested for running a global nuclear Walmart that enabled Iran, North Korea, and Libya to start their nuclear programs. The CIA and the International Atomic Energy Agency are still barred from questioning him because the Pakistan Army fears that he would expose the role played by high-level military officers in colluding with him and in profiting from what he did.

Several confidantes of Khan have told me that he is ready to name names. In their study of the Khan scandal, Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark concluded that Khan was “the fall guy. This covert trade in doomsday technology was not the work of one man, but the foreign policy of a nation and supervised by Pakistan’s ruling military clique.’’

With the Khan case still in limbo, the acquisition of more plutonium reactors on top of Islamabad’s existing uranium-based nuclear program is alarming. The Obama administration expressed pro forma opposition to the Chasma deal at the New Zealand meeting last week of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a 46-nation global nuclear watchdog agency. But the United States is not using its massive aid leverage to block it, despite the fact that US aid is subsidizing the deal.

Pakistan’s economic solvency rests largely on US financial support. In addition to earmarked economic and military aid and US-backed international Monetary Fund credits, US aid has included $10.5 billion in cash payments to the armed forces that are nominally to reimburse counter-terrorism activities but go into the general budget and can be diverted without US oversight to other uses. Pakistan’s foreign debt is nearing $15 billion, and it is only because a US orchestrated aid consortium keeps rescheduling the debt that Pakistan remains afloat economically.

Although the Chinese-built reactors at Chasma will be under IAEA safeguards, Pakistan’s Kahuta uranium enrichment plant and another plutonium reactor at Khushab are not under safeguards and are used for its nuclear weapons program. The Suppliers Group bars nuclear exports to countries that have not placed all their nuclear facilities under IAEA inspection. Nevertheless, Beijing argues, Pakistan should be given an “exception’’ for the Chasma reactors because India was given one two years ago.

Both India and Pakistan have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. India, however, has maintained strict controls on the export of nuclear technology, in accordance with NPT guidelines, and for this reason was given an “exception’’ to facilitate implementation of the 2008 US civilian nuclear cooperation agreement with New Delhi. By contrast, Pakistan has the most egregious record of trampling non-proliferation norms of any country.

Pakistan, like India, needs nuclear power for electricity, and hopefully, its future evolution will some day reduce the risks of a civilian nuclear program. But for the foreseeable future, the risks of adding to its nuclear capabilities are unacceptable. The repeated Islamist attacks on Pakistan’s nuclear installations in recent years make clear that the leakage of fissile material and of the components of its nuclear weapons is a clear and present danger despite IAEA safeguards.

The United States should aggressively seek China’s expulsion from the Suppliers Group unless it cancels the Chasma deal. It should condition new aid to Pakistan on the termination of nuclear purchases from China, unfettered access to Khan, the full disclosure of hitherto-suppressed details of his nuclear transfers and the removal of his collaborators from Army positions related to nuclear security.

Pakistan poses many dangers to the United States, notably its aid to Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan and the use of its territory for the training of would-be suicide bombers. But the greatest of all is that fissile material will be smuggled out of its nuclear facilities by undetected Islamist sympathizers and that a future leadership infiltrated by Islamists will risk a nuclear Armageddon in Mumbai or Washington.

Selig S. Harrison is director of the Asia Program at the Center for International Policy and the author of five books on South Asia.

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 10 Jul 2010 11:24

Pride and Concern Follow Success of Indian-American Politicans

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10 ... .html?_r=1

“Indian-Americans don’t want them to wear their ethnicity on their sleeve,” Mr. Haniffa said, “but they also don’t want them to be apologetic.”

Pyong Gap Min, a professor of sociology at Queens College in New York who has studied Hindus in America, pointed to another factor. From the historical experience of invasion, conquest and colonialism — by Muslims, Portuguese and British — many Indians associate conversion with coercion. “They think of evangelism,” Professor Min said, “as a violation of human rights.”

“When we were kids our parents forced us to be doctors or engineers. When I have a kid I am going to force him/her to be a governor.”

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jul 2010 09:44

Iran, AfPak loom large on agenda

http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/11/stories ... 210100.htm

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 13 Jul 2010 10:25

X-post

India,US to ink huge military deal: report

US President Barack Obama's visit to New Delhi in November may secure $5 billion worth of arms sales to India, Russia's Vzglyad newspaper reported Monday. The deal, if signed during Obama's visit, would make the US replace Russia as India's biggest arms supplier, the paper said, adding that the deal would also help India curb China's rise.

India's shortlist includes Patriot defense systems, Boeing mid-air refueling tankers and certain types of howitzers, and the total cost of the deal may exceed $10 billion, the paper added. The report came a day after The Economic Times in New Delhi reported that talks are underway between Indian and US officials over a deal to sell 10 Boeing C-17 military transport aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Jul 2010 10:32

A/S Blake IIT-Kanpur Golden Jubilee Alumni Convention
"U.S.-India Partnership: Kanpur Indo-American Program and Beyond"
Keynote Address
July 9, 2010

http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/pr071210.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jul 2010 10:37

How can the US keep on the "maintenance" of its rent boy Pak,when Pak and China plan to build a rail link through POK that would ensure China's road and rail link to the Arabian Sea and the Chinese built naval base at Gwadar,at the mouth of the Gulf? It is shafting itself by supporting the despicable military-terror entity of the TSP.The GOI is equally credulous in thinking that by ass licking Uncle Sam and buying weaponry from it costing billions it will somehow ensure "security" from China! The simple truth is that Pak is blackmailing its lover-boy,the US,while its true godfather China,provides it with the real cutting edge military capability,nuclear weapons and their delivery systems.By buying major defence items from the US,we will be perilously endangering ourself to crippling sanctions in any conflict with pak,as the US will impose if need be a ban on sales /supplies of arms and slares to both India and Pak.We are sacrificing our hard fought independence and betraying the blood of our freedom fighters by succumbing to this insidious realtionship.
The Indo-US "strategic relationship" is a futile exercise and a myth ,as what the US wants out of India is a huge market for its goods and services,plus a large military subservient to it that it can use for its dirty work in Asia.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 13 Jul 2010 10:44

Obama visit: India, US to begin talks on ‘deliverables’

Delhi is said to be looking beyond the mere lifting of US national controls on high technology exports to India. It would like to be part of international bodies, like the Nuclear Suppliers Group, that draft the guidelines for the export of special technologies and materials.Only a full membership of these multilateral groupings would complete the political reconciliation between India and the global non-proliferation order.

Indian membership of the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group, the Missile Technology Control Regime, the Wassenaar Arrangement, which addresses the armaments trade, and the Australia Group, which deals with chemical weapons, would require mobilising the political consent of the current members.Washington, on its part, would want the removal of the last barriers for the full implementation of the civil nuclear initiative, including the passage of a liability legislation that is in tune with international standards.

The Obama Administration has been signalling strong interest in winning a share of the rapidly expanding Indian defence market. Speaking in Washington earlier this month, US Under Secretary of Defence Michele Flournoy promised to offer “top of the line” defence technologies to India.

She also underlined the ongoing efforts in Washington to streamline and modernise US export controls that would allow the building of solid defence technology partnerships with countries like India. Among the other actionable ideas under consideration for the Obama visit are expanding cooperation in maritime security, strengthening the partnership in outer space and initiating a new engagement in cyber-security.

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 13 Jul 2010 11:55

The US is a pretender. How many times must it be repeated to be understood? The US wants allies. Pakistan is an ally. India too is an ally. Unkil only has to give necessary feed to change indias foreign policy. When india was getting cosy with iran with a gas pipe deal, unkil gave the *feed* in the form of a nuke deal. People of india confused that act as a sign of a relationship but in reality, it wanted india to sway away from iran. It was probably the jewish lobby who "came up with the offer that india cannot refuse".

Those who think that unkil would help india if china attacked us is an idiot. Two rising powers pulling themselves back to another 50 years is unkils wet dream. Unkil engages itself in pakistan, not to solve india's "fu@king" problems but it's own. Before it leaves the region, do not be surprised if it arms the PA with that equivalent to india.

*Unkil wants india to be busy in south asia. A free india can/could and will meddle in the world affairs. India has a historic reputation. It's views can influence decisions. Why would unkil want such a contestant?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Jul 2010 12:11

Nuclear arms race in Middle East will affect India, warns U.S.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 513604.ece

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 13 Jul 2010 13:01

^^
The middle east nukes are specifically meant for the west. ICBM's are a long shot. The idea is that the warheads will trickle down to the fundoos and make their way to the west.

People in iran, afghanistan and others in the vicinity are of the view that pakistanis are indians. And that the thing happening between *these indians* is only an islamic struggle or conquest.

If US wants india to put sanctions on iran then we should expect something in return which is an end to the american games in south asia. Else an iran-india pipe deal is a possibility in the future.

India needs to make it "indirectly" clear that if a nuclear bomb falls on india from anywhere, then definite retaliation nuclear strikes will fall on pakistan, china and mecca in saudi arabia.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 13 Jul 2010 13:13

Time for MMS's insomnia to return....
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/us-terror-pl ... ml?from=tn

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jul 2010 13:33

Read this great piece in full to understand Alerica's current predicament,never ending war in Afghanistan and a failing economy.

America: hooked on war and getting poorer
With record foreclosures and child poverty at a shameful level, can we really afford to stay in Afghanistan and Iraq for 10 years?
Clancy Sigal guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 13 July 2010

Excerpts:

There's plenty of good money to be made /
Supplyin' the army with tools of the trade …

– Country Joe and the Fish

I've learned to trust my visions as metaphors for reality. The same news programmes, often as a dutiful throwaway item, will show a jerky fragment of Afghan combat accompanied by the usual pulse-pounding handheld shots of snipers amid roadside bomb explosions, preferably in fiery balls. My delusional mind converts this footage into a phantasmagoria where our M60 machine guns are shooting ammunition belts full of $1,000 bills.

Blood, oil, bullets … and cash.

Why is nobody talking about the Afghanistan adventure as a cause of our plunging recession? Or at least citing the 30-year-old endless war as a major contributory factor in wasting our money to "nation-build" in the Hindu Kush while our own country falls to pieces on food stamps, foreclosures and child poverty – one in five kids – that would put the world's poorest nations to shame?

Iraq was George Bush's war. But, as Republican party chairman Michael Steele correctly says, "Afghanistan is Obama's war of choice", and a losing proposition. Historically, Bush and Dick Cheney merely toyed with Afghanistan while visiting shock and awe on Iraq. But President Obama is really, really serious about it. He told us so on his campaign trail, but most of us refused to believe him. We told ourselves: oh, he's a closet pacifist, or he'll somehow find a way out of the impasse, thus sealing a devil's pact with our own consciences.

Obama's "way out" is to dig deeper in so that he'll be able to get out, it's said. Where have we heard that before? Exit strategy, my foot. Obama is a willing prisoner of his generals, the latest four-star foot-in-mouther being General George Casey, army chief of staff, who a few days ago confessed to CBS News that the US could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. (He then fudged it, but the cat was out of the bag.)

Our Afghanistan war, which began in 1980 under the Democrats (by weaponising Afghan resistance to the Soviets), and is now truly a bipartisan war, is as bankrupt as our economy. No connection? None that I can hear from Republicans or Democrats and the "liberal base". The war without purpose or common sense is simply a given, like the weather. Other than a few lonely "wingnuts" like Florida congressman Alan Grayson (who introduced a bill titled "The War Is Making You Poor"), the antiwar Texas libertarian Ron Paul and Illinois's Tim Johnson, hardly anybody in public life dares to make a connection between teachers' pink slips, personal bankruptcies (6,000 a day now), our rotting infrastructure, lengthening queues at unemployment offices, child poverty … and the war.

You won't hear a peep from mainstream liberals such as Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow. Nor, when Pentagon-funded war industry jobs are on the line, from any of the congressional liberals in my Southern California delegation such as Henry Waxman and Maxine Waters, who, after routine grumbling, just voted for yet another $30bn for the lost war that shores up our local weapons and aerospace industries.

As a people we Americans are hooked on a permanent war economy that only here and there, in drips and drabs, creates immediate jobs while undermining any long-term possibility of recovery. The good news is that contracts for new unmanned Predator drone bases have been awarded to deprived areas of South Dakota, Wisconsin and Missouri, much to the local citizenry's joy. Some stimulus.

Joseph Stiglitz: Will America's new Afghan campaign end in another moral vacuum?
Printable version

This quagmire that the US has got into is why it is desperately trying to woo new "strategic partners" (aka "suckers") like India to bail Uncle Sam out of trouble,firstly by taking up the "White Man's Burden" as Kipling beautifully put it, and secondly by financing the catastrophe partly ourselves by keeping Uncle Sam's weapons factories humming.The C-17 scandal is a blatant kowtow to Uncle Sam for mysterious favours that MMS signed India up for when Dubya Bush was around.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 13 Jul 2010 18:16

Obama Losing Support of Americans

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 13 Jul 2010 23:30

US warns India not to break Iran sanctions

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Jul 2010 01:07

Apparently, this is supposed to be humor. My Own Private India By Joel Stein.

For a while, we assumed all Indians were geniuses. Then, in the 1980s, the doctors and engineers brought over their merchant cousins, and we were no longer so sure about the genius thing. In the 1990s, the not-as-brilliant merchants brought their even-less-bright cousins, and we started to understand why India is so damn poor.

Now if that wasn't bad enough, you have India's self-loathing elite media dorkette justifying that nonsense through "gloabalization arguments"

Our gods, after all, are multiple-armed and elephant-nosed, our food is often spicy to the exclusion of taste, and the dots and dashes on our foreheads can look hilarious to those not used to seeing them. The lesson is actually quite simple. Want to live and work in a globalised marketplace? Learn to be less hung up about ‘culture’ and identity. Want to wallow in identity and culture? Don’t venture out beyond home.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 14 Jul 2010 04:56

"India needs to make it "indirectly" clear that if a nuclear bomb falls on india from anywhere, then definite retaliation nuclear strikes will fall on pakistan, china and mecca in saudi arabia.[/quote]"

Absolutely. Which is why the world should be mortally concerned if the Paks try anything maniacal. There will be repercussions for the entire planet.

The only question, if at all, is India's capability to inflict such retaliation on diverse targets. Many cynical or conniving types are hoping that India either does not retaliate, or its retaliation is kept within South Asia. Their ideal solution, needless to say, is to denuclearise both India and Pakistan, while leaving the G-5 untouched.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Jul 2010 05:14

CRamS wrote:
Now if that wasn't bad enough, you have India's self-loathing elite media dorkette justifying that nonsense through "gloabalization arguments"

Our gods, after all, are multiple-armed and elephant-nosed, our food is often spicy to the exclusion of taste, and the dots and dashes on our foreheads can look hilarious to those not used to seeing them. The lesson is actually quite simple. Want to live and work in a globalised marketplace? Learn to be less hung up about ‘culture’ and identity. Want to wallow in identity and culture? Don’t venture out beyond home.

Did he ever think how other countries carry their food and culture to other countries. English came with their pants and boots to India. Did they assimilate to Indian culture. India is the largest populated country and can carry its culture where ever it goes

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 14 Jul 2010 05:19

^ Absolutely. Retaliation on a nuke strike by Jihadi elements requires the mindset of powers in the GOI have the ability and temperament to commit genocide if not actually commit it. Elimination of the doctrine responsible for the strike has to come in houirs and not 2 generations as suggested by Brihaspati ji whichi pointed my reservations on. Overnight Islamism or Naxalism in all it's forms and symbols has to vanish. It's symbols in Mecca, Timbuktu, Mogadishu or Kampala or Kathmandu wherever have to be eliminated. India must never give the impression that a nuke retaliation will be limited to the geographic region espousing the doctrine and nowhere else. That is a big mistake. The retaliation must be of a vaster scale and ruthless without invoking one on oneself. If the US and other powers (3.5 fiends) think it will be restrained within the Indian subcontinent, they should be made aware it's not the case. Mogadishu, Tripoli, Khartoum, Barbaria are nice soft targets that won't invite any retaliation. 1.4 millenia is enough of this Jihad crap, 60 years is enough of the Naxal Maoist crap. Must be put where it belongs..in the dustbin of history and ireligious thought.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Jul 2010 15:42

If we want to put fear into the hearts of the nuclear proliferators, all India needs to do is to start preparing the nation for a nuclear exchange. Build nuclear shelters, order medicines against radiation poisoning, prepare contingencies regarding administrative control, prepare for the protection of our medical, scientific and engineering experts, ityadi. Also invest properly in Air Defences including BMD.

Only then would the others know, we are serious.

Adrija · Post by **Adrija** » 14 Jul 2010 17:20

India must never give the impression that a nuke retaliation will be limited to the geographic region espousing the doctrine and nowhere else. That is a big mistake.

This is perhaps more relevant to the Nooklear thread, but following this advice would ensure that Pakistan gets ALL help possible in nuking India- well and proper the first time around. Sure way of making China, US, KSA gang up and arm Pakistan to the hilt and ensure first strike destruction to India

JMTs and IMVHO of course

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 14 Jul 2010 19:15

"well and proper the first time around. Sure way of making China, US, KSA gang up and arm Pakistan to the hilt and ensure first strike destruction to India"

Would such a devastating first strike also have an impact on the world, or at least the larger region including East Asia? And the danger of a wider impact serves as a massive constraint.

And what would follow? The world expresses sorrow, then comes in to help revive, if possible. Pakistan and China continue on their merry way, without any retribution whatsoever? Doesn't make sense.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 14 Jul 2010 19:19

"My Own Private India By Joel Stein.

Quote:

For a while, we assumed all Indians were geniuses. Then, in the 1980s, the doctors and engineers brought over their merchant cousins, and we were no longer so sure about the genius thing. In the 1990s, the not-as-brilliant merchants brought their even-less-bright cousins, and we started to understand why India is so damn poor."

Stein's article is classist more than racist. The idea of all well do to Indians being geniuses is ludicrous, as also the idea that all Indians, all immigrants can be or should be doctors, engineers and scientists. Positively was not true of Irish, Jews, Italians, Poles and Chinese.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jul 2010 19:23

RajeshA wrote:If we want to put fear into the hearts of the nuclear proliferators, all India needs to do is to start preparing the nation for a nuclear exchange. Build nuclear shelters, order medicines against radiation poisoning, prepare contingencies regarding administrative control, prepare for the protection of our medical, scientific and engineering experts, ityadi. Also invest properly in Air Defences including BMD.

Only then would the others know, we are serious.

Wise advise!

Every war-preparation setup should also be useful in peaceful times.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 14 Jul 2010 20:07

RajeshA wrote:If we want to put fear into the hearts of the nuclear proliferators, all India needs to do is to start preparing the nation for a nuclear exchange. Build nuclear shelters, order medicines against radiation poisoning, prepare contingencies regarding administrative control, prepare for the protection of our medical, scientific and engineering experts, ityadi. Also invest properly in Air Defences including BMD.

Only then would the others know, we are serious.

The sheer population and size of India makes it impracticable to build nuke shelters.About India retaliating on Pak,China and KSA if a nuke ever falls on our land,well,that would pretty much alienate us in this world.Like it or not,we need China and KSA for business and energy needs.I do agree that we should have the same official policy as Pakistan when it comes to nuclear attack on our country,i.e. no matter who drops it,we'll flatten Pakistan.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Jul 2010 20:17

Ambar wrote:The sheer population and size of India makes it impracticable to build nuke shelters.

Nuke shelters in India make a nuclear attack by Pakistan or China less probable. Would Pakistan attack India using nuclear bombs, if they know that we would have no compunction retaliating using nukes, as we feel secure.

If we know that Pakistan knows that we are not afraid of a nuclear exchange, they would be less likely to threaten us with nukes, even if there is conventional war between India and Pakistan.

So India could march into PoK, and Pakistan would be afraid of using the nuclear card.

Preparation for a nuclear war, is the only thing that neutralizes Pakistan's nuclear blackmail, which it uses for terrorism, Kashmir insurgency, arming Naxalites, etc. etc.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 14 Jul 2010 21:14

RajeshA wrote: Nuke shelters in India make a nuclear attack by Pakistan or China less probable. Would Pakistan attack India using nuclear bombs, if they know that we would have no compunction retaliating using nukes, as we feel secure.

If we know that Pakistan knows that we are not afraid of a nuclear exchange, they would be less likely to threaten us with nukes, even if there is conventional war between India and Pakistan.

So India could march into PoK, and Pakistan would be afraid of using the nuclear card.

Preparation for a nuclear war, is the only thing that neutralizes Pakistan's nuclear blackmail, which it uses for terrorism, Kashmir insurgency, arming Naxalites, etc. etc.

I agree with RajeshA, I think an appropriate policy is to let them know that in the event of a N attack we'll retaliate with disproportionate force (nuclear). At the same time I think our current "no first use policy" is also good because it gives Pakistan the clear payoffs to each strategy (nuclear or conventional). That way we avoid the "bad equilibrium" as Pak will always chose conventional then.

We are developing BMD so I guess we are on the right track.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 14 Jul 2010 22:10

Non-Proliferation: What Can India Do?
http://www.eurasiareview.com/2010070644 ... ia-do.html

India should engage a careful and realistic discussion on NPT.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jul 2010 22:33

Ambar wrote: The sheer population and size of India makes it impracticable to build nuke shelters.About India retaliating on Pak,China and KSA if a nuke ever falls on our land,well,that would pretty much alienate us in this world.

May be OT here.

If only one nuke lands in Bharat before TSP is flattened, India will be able to take the damage (example Japan).

But the reality is more like 1-10 nukes come India's way before it responds. So India will be justified to make the pain visible and at-home to all interested parties. This extends to PRC, KSA, UK, Japan and yes, even USA. That will ensure that all the interested parties take a serious note of Pakistan's nuke-posture and preempt it before the fumes reach their home.

A nuke attack on India involving multiple nukes will cripple the nation in the short term (1-5 years) and slow the nation in medium term (5-20 years). After that people will forget it and move on with their march towards next phase of resurgent India.

Coming back to building nuke shelters -
(1) All major cities are planning for metro trains system in the next 5-10 years. It should be technically/economically possible to build a parallel under-ground tube system. (a 15 mile radius will result in >90 mile long tube - supporting ~100,000 families).

(2) make underground bunkers as a precondition to approve any new house/apartment designs.

(3) Build a chain of Govt/Private hospitals around cities with provisions for increasing the bed counts in case of emergency. An additional bed-kit can be (locally) developed for <10,000Rs.

(4) Encourage people to train in Emergency Response.

The point RajeshA making was showing the intent and preparedness for a nuke-war.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 14 Jul 2010 22:37

Possible car bomb found in Newark near railroad overpass

Police in Newark, N.J were investigating a possible explosive device Wednesday found inside a vehicle that was parked near a railroad overpass, the Star-Ledger in Newark reported.
The Newark bomb squad used robots to search a Dodge Omni containing two tanks of gasoline and wires, Sgt. Ronald Glover of the Newark police told the paper.
Police are saying that they are unsure if the wires were connected to the device, contrary to original reports.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 14 Jul 2010 22:46

^^^ On the bright side, they have not learned to not to use cars as they are easy to identify.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 15 Jul 2010 01:26

National security advisors of India, US meet to lay ground for Obama visit
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_na ... it_1409837

Obama's visit should become historical particularly in finalising the nuclear agreement, high arms deal and possibly nuclear defence systems and solar and other technological invesment that would benefit both sides and protect bothsides interest. India and US should also explore possibilities of exchange and interrogation of terrorists in both and also sharing the secrets of any possible attacks on each others.