Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 24 Jul 2010 23:40

^^^^ regarding wagah border ceremony.
kudos to the home minstry for changing the guard at the border. it is fun to watch. also it is reducing the importance to bakis as mentioned earlier.
a few points worth noting---

1) poll on wagah border ceremony started by Shiv on feb 26 ended on 13 march-
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... f=1&t=5434
majority (out of 102 votes) voted for Get rid of the ceremony. Get pot bellied pan spitter to close gate while scratching crotch and Just close the gate with no ceremony (39% and 40%)

2) Shiv pointed that

Well frankly - those men who lift their feet to head level and then band them down are young and fit, but the fact is that kind of repeated banging will cause damage to the bones and joints of the foot and knee which will reflect after two decades or more. Training for sports or for the armed forces is one thing. But getting men to do this just because Pakis want to be equal equal with India is silly.

3) colonel Dr Anil Athale(retd) wrote this rediff column-- looks like straight from BRF on march 5 2010.http://news.rediff.com/column/2010/mar/ ... wagah1.htm

4) Neela commented

Open a bar , employ full-bosomed female bartenders, subsidize drinks, play reggae music!

Overall home minstry looks likely to have done its home work. (

of reading BRF or maybe BRF is ahead of the curve---tired of repeating it again and again)

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 24 Jul 2010 23:48

Acharya wrote:Why are Pakistan leaders too quite.
Are they planning anything on India. Looks like a conspiracy on India being planned as of now.

Which Pakistani leaders do you mean? Certainly not Zardari et all... they are nothing more than puppets whose strings are held by TSPA.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 24 Jul 2010 23:50

Aditya_V wrote:This bonds and et all is nice theory, but in the end it is nothing but a Bad Debt, NPA whatever you like to call it and we will taking is away from where its really wanted. Besides in times of war I am sure pakistan will use its connections in CHina + Saudi and Swiss banks to fund thier needs. Practically this Bond business to pakis is a very bad idea.

I know they can turn out to be NPAs, intention ofcourse is that we contemplate anything like it only if we can afford it.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 24 Jul 2010 23:55

Carl_T wrote:

We should have dancing hijras do this.

So far this is the best idea I have read.... Can't shake the sight of some Bambaiyya Hijras clapping and walking towards the Paki Ranger singing "Tayyimpalli Jaan ka Dusman... Hay... hay"

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 24 Jul 2010 23:57

Dipanker wrote:
Acharya wrote:Why are Pakistan leaders too quite.
Are they planning anything on India. Looks like a conspiracy on India being planned as of now.
Which Pakistani leaders do you mean? Certainly not Zardari et all... they are nothing more than puppets whose strings are held by TSPA.

Nawaz Sharif's silence is interesting... Even he is NOT daring to speak against it.....

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 25 Jul 2010 00:11

WRT the BSF female contigent at Wagah. I guess I have been out of India too long, thanks for explaining the significance.
Judging by the crowd, Punjabis seem to heartily approve.

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Jul 2010 00:12

Sri:
Here you go... Gotta say... some crisp marching... crowd seems to be going crazy...

Super move by BSF!

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Jul 2010 00:16

Kayani’s extension to ‘guarantee’ democracy: Gilani

A day after he granted a three-year extension to the military chief, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani hailed the move as a ‘guarantee’ for the stability of a democratic system

What does this say about potential successors of Kiyani? It will be interesting to see what happens after 3 years!

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Jul 2010 00:18

Third element involved in target killing in Karachi: Rehman Malik
hmm...Lithium?

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 25 Jul 2010 00:26

A General Stays On, Solidifying the Army's Power in Pakistan

Time's take on Jurnail Sahib...

Washington and its allies, however, are likely to embrace Kayani's extension, given the critical state of the Afghan war. Believing that the U.S.-led war effort next door is doomed, Kayani and his top lieutenants have opened direct communication with the government in Kabul and are maneuvering to broker a peace agreement with the Taliban and its allies. Washington has not publicly supported these back-channel efforts, but local analysts believe these moves have tacit backing from the Obama Administration. "If they fail," says Masood, "then the U.S. can exert pressure on Pakistan to take action against [Afghan insurgent] elements [on its soil]." Amid such delicate maneuvers, any change in the Pakistani high command would be seen as an unnecessary risk.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 25 Jul 2010 00:29

partha wrote:Third element involved in target killing in Karachi: Rehman Malik
hmm...Lithium?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jul 2010 00:54

Sri wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Another fine set of pictures of SDRE wimmens at Wagah

Here you go... Gotta say... some crisp marching... crowd seems to be going crazy...

Mohammed Aqil, DIG, BSF being interviewed. Good for psy-ops.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Jul 2010 00:56

Sri wrote:
Carl_T wrote:

We should have dancing hijras do this.
So far this is the best idea I have read.... Can't shake the sight of some Bambaiyya Hijras clapping and walking towards the Paki Ranger singing "Tayyimpalli Jaan ka Dusman... Hay... hay"

Kelickity Kelick Pleej!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 25 Jul 2010 01:19

Hijras or Chowkidar's won't work because the ceremony is "Indian Flag lowering ceremony" meaning that you are disrespecting the national flag by letting non-services people to lower the flag. Forget about napakis., instead of feet thomping and silly gestures the ceremony should become just like any other flag lowering ceremony in India by men/women of police and armed services. It is a privilege to lower a flag.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Jul 2010 01:34

SBajwa wrote:Hijras or Chowkidar's won't work because the ceremony is "Indian Flag lowering ceremony" meaning that you are disrespecting the national flag by letting non-services people to lower the flag.

One thing I like about American culture is that the common man "owns" the American flag. Innumerable houses have flagpoles on which they raise, display and lower the flag.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Jul 2010 01:42

krisna wrote:^^^^ regarding wagah border ceremony.

even the reason is same as the one given in shiv ji's post !

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Jul 2010 01:42

http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/j ... ardari.htm

wonder this should go to benis dhaaga.

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has said that the "world has converted noble Pakistanis into warriors".

Speaking after signing the 'Gift of life' certificate by him for donating all his body organs at the President House in Karachi,

may be researchers can work on his organs and look for dus percent genes.

Yes, we are guilty of saving the world and you are guilty of forgetting us, your allies,"

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Jul 2010 01:57

A_Gupta wrote:
One thing I like about American culture is that the common man "owns" the American flag. Innumerable houses have flagpoles on which they raise, display and lower the flag.

That is called as nationalism. When did Indian govt promote nationalism.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2010 02:04

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/54181
Kucinich Says House Will Vote on Tuesday on Pakistan Withdrawal

Kucinich and Rep. Ron Paul's privileged resolution on withdrawing from unauthorized and unconstitutional war in Pakistan -- at least the little-known-of ground troops, if not the drones -- will likely be voted on Tuesday

( and they claim to be wise )

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2010 02:08

26/11 case in Pakistan: No judge, no trial
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/ ... -trial.htm

Pakistani anti-terror court on Saturday adjourned for a week the trial of Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ] commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi and six other suspects charged with involvement in the Mumbai [ Images ] attacks as the judge was away to attend an official meeting.Anti-Terrorism Court Judge Malik Muhammad Akram Awan, who is conducting the trial within Rawalpindi's Adiala Jail for security reasons, had gone to Lahore [ Images ] to attend a meeting convened by High Court Chief Justice Khwaja Muhammad Sharif, officials said.Court officials said the case had been adjourned till July 31 due to the judge's absence.
In addition to the proceedings in the case, the court was scheduled to take up Lakhvi's bail application on Saturday. Sources also told PTI that Judge Awan was likely to go on leave for three weeks in the near future and this could further delay proceedings in the trial.Shahbaz Rajput ( Should not he consider himself Syed or Myed of arabian origin instead of being black spot on Rajput bloodline) , one of the defence lawyers, told PTI: "The dilly-dallying tactics of the prosecution are making matters excruciating for our clients."Lakhvi's counsel Khwaja Sultan too criticised the adjournment, saying the authorities were resorting to delaying tactics.Referring to the prosecution's efforts to gain access to Ajmal Kasab [ Images ], a Pakistani national sentenced to death by an India [ Images ]n court for his role in the 2008 Mumbai carnage, and Fahim Ansari, an Indian acquitted by the same court, Sultan said this would not be possible unless the Pakistan government makes a formal extradition request to India or approaches the Interpol.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 25 Jul 2010 02:19

The political elite need to send their children overseas to live!

Unidentified gunmen kill KP information minister's son
Suspected Taliban in northwest Pakistan on Saturday shot dead the only son of a provincial minister well known for speaking out against the militants, police said.
...

Link to AFP report in Dawn link

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 25 Jul 2010 04:11

partha wrote:Kayani’s extension to ‘guarantee’ democracy: Gilani
A day after he granted a three-year extension to the military chief, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani hailed the move as a ‘guarantee’ for the stability of a democratic system
What does this say about potential successors of Kiyani? It will be interesting to see what happens after 3 years!

kiyani will work to get musharraf elected. Everyone will be happy. Civilian govt, with military in complete alignment.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 25 Jul 2010 04:13

ManuT wrote:
kiyani will work to get musharraf elected. Everyone will be happy. Civilian govt, with military in complete alignment.

So Kiyani install his boss when he is king right now? Doubt it...I think he'd want a guy whom he can boss around.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 25 Jul 2010 04:39

Nobody can get Musharraf elected, that's a guarantee.

Crore commanders would have the most misgivings about Mushy, given his past track record.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Jul 2010 04:41

Rehman Malik tweets peace but persists with upside down Indian flag

This can no longer be dismissed as a mistake. The Pakistanis know the significance of the colours on the Indian flag. This is being done deliberately.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Jul 2010 05:36

SSridhar wrote:
This can no longer be dismissed as a mistake. The Pakistanis know the significance of the colours on the Indian flag. This is being done deliberately.

This is known as playing inside the Indian politics

Seizing upon the criticism of home secretary G K Pillai to shift the blame for the failure of the Islamabad talks, Malik tweeted on July 22, praising both Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram for restraining their aides from launching a broadside against Pakistan.

"We appreciate PM India (Manmohan Singh) and home minister India (P Chidambaram) for advising their aides not to give negative statements against Pak. Thanks for creating positivity," Malik tweeted a day after foreign minister S M Krishna surprised many by criticising Pillai in public.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jul 2010 06:09

A_Gupta wrote:
SBajwa wrote:Hijras or Chowkidar's won't work because the ceremony is "Indian Flag lowering ceremony" meaning that you are disrespecting the national flag by letting non-services people to lower the flag.
One thing I like about American culture is that the common man "owns" the American flag. Innumerable houses have flagpoles on which they raise, display and lower the flag.

I was a year or two junior to genuises like you and Venkat Rangan and Naian Kovoor at IIT Chennai. So while I am not adept at guys like you in terms of nitty gritty details of signal processing or control systems or other academic stuff, I more adept at the big picture, and thats why I am more comfortable as a manager rather than a hands-on guy; so let me ask you to do a simple observation experiment. Of all the Americans who raise their flag; just check out their race and religion. You guessed it, I can bet you, 90+% would be white and Christian. Thats called white Christian nationalism. If you want to Indians to emulate the same thing, it has to be Hindu nationalism. And you complain of Hinduthva. Is what is good for the goose not good for the gander?

.

naren · Post by **naren** » 25 Jul 2010 06:10

SSridhar wrote:Rehman Malik tweets peace but persists with upside down Indian flag

This can no longer be dismissed as a mistake. The Pakistanis know the significance of the colours on the Indian flag. This is being done deliberately.

No problemo. We can hang a piece of white paper and call it Pakistani flag

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 25 Jul 2010 06:15

PM takes up with Krishna his ‘unnecessary’ criticism of Pillai

Amitav Ranjan , Shishir Gupta
Tags : S M Krishna, G K Pillai’s
Posted: Sun Jul 25 2010, 03:51 hrs

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is understood to have taken up with External Affairs Minister S M Krishna his public criticism of Home Secretary G K Pillai’s remarks on the involvement of the ISI in the 26/11 attack.

Government sources told The Sunday Express that Krishna was told that his public statements, made on July 21, were inappropriate and unnecessary. The PM conveyed the message after the meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) on Friday morning. The CCS met to discuss India’s strategy on China and Bhutan.

Krishna had told The Indian Express that “the timing of Pillai’s remarks could have waited for my arrival from Pakistan as India-Pakistan talks are too sensitive”. He had, however, also said that there was “nothing wrong with what Pillai had said”, and that “Pillai is one of (India’s) finest civil servants”.

In remarks made at the Idea Exchange programme at The Indian Express earlier this month, Pillai had said “the ISI... (was) literally controlling and coordinating (the attacks) from the beginning till the end”.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 25 Jul 2010 06:21

naren wrote:No problemo. We can hang a piece of ~~white~~ toilet paper and call it Pakistani flag

fixed.

Why should India talk to the army?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Jul 2010 06:23

Patni wrote:PM takes up with Krishna his ‘unnecessary’ criticism of Pillai

Need a separate thread on this. The country is about to be sold out. The traitors! Harrumph.

naren · Post by **naren** » 25 Jul 2010 06:29

pgbhat wrote:
naren wrote:No problemo. We can hang a piece of ~~white~~ toilet paper and call it Pakistani flag
fixed.

Ah... yes. It will also show the tallel than mountain fliends' influence on Pakistan symbolically.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 25 Jul 2010 07:45

11 more killed in Karachi violence

KARACHI: At least 11 more people have been killed in various firing incidents in different areas of metropolis here on Sunday.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Jul 2010 07:48

Kanson wrote:>>How come the BSF women performing at wagha border ceremony is highly chankian ? How does it undermine pakis ?

In diplomatic parlance, it means i'm considering you as only equal to our wimmens by playing wimmnes opposite to their men.

In sports there are many examples which actually happened . Now consider, for playing against Pakistan in World Cup your are sending juniors and saying to beat Pakistan our juniors are more than enough. It has similar meaning.

Other Chanakianism that this board refers is the gradual degrade of importance to the pomp show happening in the wagah border. Or other may twist it as we are peace loving so putting more appealing cadet in place of menancing marches! All par for the course and depends on which glass you want to wear to have your point of view.

Actually Pakiz will consider as evidence of their superiority that SDREs are parading their women for ogling by Pakiz.

archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Jul 2010 07:50

CRamS wrote: I was a year or two junior to genuises like you and Venkat Rangan and Naian Kovoor at IIT Chennai. So while I am not adept at guys like you in terms of nitty gritty details of signal processing or control systems or other academic stuff, I more adept at the big picture, and thats why I am more comfortable as a manager rather than a hands-on guy; so let me ask you to do a simple observation experiment. Of all the Americans who raise their flag; just check out their race and religion. You guessed it, I can bet you, 90+% would be white and Christian. Thats called white Christian nationalism. If you want to Indians to emulate the same thing, it has to be Hindu nationalism. And you complain of Hinduthva. Is what is good for the goose not good for the gander? .

Nobody respond to this post here please. This is OT - find another place to talk on this if you want. Thanks.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 25 Jul 2010 08:07

RajeshA wrote:
Sri wrote:
So far this is the best idea I have read.... Can't shake the sight of some Bambaiyya Hijras clapping and walking towards the Paki Ranger singing "Tayyimpalli Jaan ka Dusman... Hay... hay"
Kelickity Kelick Pleej!

My bad Sir. I missed that part.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 25 Jul 2010 08:10

Shankas wrote:
Ironically, ‘Pakistan Government Bond 10 year’ yield has been around 12pc since August 2009, but concerned authorities do not seem to be bothered.
...
A question for the financial gurus

Suppose Indian Govt. and Indian investors buy a lot of Paki Bonds and in 10 years they default. What leverage will we have in that event?

If we buy the bonds and pakis default, we lose the money. This is also the situation wrt Greece, where Germany has bought their bonds. Ofcourse, pakis lose too, after that no one would give them credit on easy terms.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 25 Jul 2010 08:21

Pranav wrote:
Kanson wrote:>>How come the BSF women performing at wagha border ceremony is highly chankian ? How does it undermine pakis ?

In diplomatic parlance, it means i'm considering you as only equal to our wimmens by playing wimmnes opposite to their men.

In sports there are many examples which actually happened . Now consider, for playing against Pakistan in World Cup your are sending juniors and saying to beat Pakistan our juniors are more than enough. It has similar meaning.

Other Chanakianism that this board refers is the gradual degrade of importance to the pomp show happening in the wagah border. Or other may twist it as we are peace loving so putting more appealing cadet in place of menancing marches! All par for the course and depends on which glass you want to wear to have your point of view.
Actually Pakiz will consider as evidence of their superiority that SDREs are parading their women for ogling by Pakiz.

Yes...thats all abt the propaganda war...if they convert a defeat as victory..surely they can say whatever they want. But this about the point we are trying to make of what we think Pakistanis are. But the subtle taunting of you parading before our wimmen goes a long way.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 25 Jul 2010 08:28

pgbhat wrote:
jagga wrote:BSF women constables take part in the 'Beating the Retreat Ceremony' at Indo-Pak Attari-Wagah border near Amritsar

Nice Picture
Image for Paklurks unwilling to click such links.

SDRE Wimmens against TFTA mards. AoA!!

Where are the paki mards ?...anyone has pictures of the paki mards vs indian wimmen...?

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 25 Jul 2010 08:28

Kanson wrote:
Pranav wrote:
Actually Pakiz will consider as evidence of their superiority that SDREs are parading their women for ogling by Pakiz.
Yes...thats all abt the propaganda war...if they convert a defeat as victory..surely they can say whatever they want. But this about the point we are trying to make of what we think Pakistanis are. But the subtle taunting of you parading before our wimmen goes a long way.

Yeah I think Pranav is right, it will be taken as "Indian women dancing to martial pakis" just like in Hindi films.