Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 26 Jul 2010 22:39

Hmm, looks like Mullen did say some tough things...

TSP to "test" missile tomorrow

Pakistan to test fire nuclear missile tomorrow

Monday, July 26, 2010
Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will possibly test-fire nuclear missile tomorrow (Tuesday). Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani along with senior officials of the armed forces of Pakistan will witness the experimental flight of the missile, which carries warheads.

Civil and military personalities will reach the test fire range in north Punjab through helicopters to watch the test fire. After becoming the prime minister, Gilani will first time witness the Ghauri ballistic missile test fire.

Being Prime Minister, Gilani was made Chairman of National Command and Control Authority. Earlier, Asif Zardari was the chairman of the Authority as a president of the state. The missile, which will be test fired tomorrow, is capable to drop conventional and nuclear warheads up to the distance of 1050 kilometres. This is a liquid fuel missile. Prime Minister Gilani will address the civil and military personalities and scientists and engineers on the occasion.

Sounds like NoDonGhauri....

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 26 Jul 2010 22:43

Pakistan to test fire nuclear missile tomorrow

No $hit!! BR is way ahead of the curve.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Jul 2010 22:44

^ Pakis are not fast learners. How many times they are going to use the same tactics. World is changing. India is developing more vigourously. There were times people cared when Nodong was tested. Now a days no one cares a $hit. We know what there SOP template is.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Jul 2010 22:48

Gerard wrote:
I have not heard MMS say even once that Kashmir's soverignty is non negotiable.
He has said on several occasions that borders will not be changed

chetak wrote: He wants to make the borders irrelevant, what ever that means.

It is like saying, my kashmir is mine and your kashmir is also mine. Just think about which part of kashmir is ruled with iron hand.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 26 Jul 2010 22:50

Idiots. Don't have the technical expertise to even paint their missiles properly & still keep 'test firing' their imported maal. Do they ever say what new technology they incorporated in their missiles apart from new shiny paint jobs?

archan · Post by **archan** » 26 Jul 2010 22:52

Rangudu wrote:Hmm, looks like Mullen did say some tough things...

TSP to "test" missile tomorrow

Pakistan to test fire nuclear missile tomorrow

Monday, July 26, 2010
Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will possibly test-fire nuclear missile tomorrow (Tuesday). Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani along with senior officials of the armed forces of Pakistan will witness the experimental flight of the missile, which carries warheads.

Civil and military personalities will reach the test fire range in north Punjab through helicopters to watch the test fire. After becoming the prime minister, Gilani will first time witness the Ghauri ballistic missile test fire.

Being Prime Minister, Gilani was made Chairman of National Command and Control Authority. Earlier, Asif Zardari was the chairman of the Authority as a president of the state. The missile, which will be test fired tomorrow, is capable to drop conventional and nuclear warheads up to the distance of 1050 kilometres. This is a liquid fuel missile. Prime Minister Gilani will address the civil and military personalities and scientists and engineers on the occasion.
Sounds like NoDonGhauri....

maan gaye ustaad, jahanpanaah tussi great ho, yeh tohfa qubool karo
What a prediction, sir!

Dan Mazer · Post by **Dan Mazer** » 26 Jul 2010 22:54

Kanson wrote:Qureshi might be laughing out loud hearing these talk.

Why is it that, we always have to consider, it is we who engineered the talk breakdown ? Becoz as it was described as the whole atmosphere changed after Kiyani's intervention. It was clarified by the Indians that, the DH & LeT matter was already shared with Pak so there is/will be nothing new if Pillai sharing it now or later. Of couse there is a catch. If there were conditions & agreement that these DH revelations should not be made public and revelation by Pillai angered Pakis which scuttled the talks then it is truly engineered by Pillai/indians.

This is another alternate view,fwiw.

Kiyani's intervention prior to Pilla's comments may have been the actual reason for the talks to fail. But even if this intervention had not happened, Pillai's comments would have likely made it difficult for the Indian team to have made any concessions. So irrespective of what actually caused the talks to fail we can still discuss as to whether the comments were sanctioned or not.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Jul 2010 22:55

^ that is if you believe they were going to make concessions. So far there is no such claim.

>>we can still discuss as to whether the comments were sanctioned or not.

No way we can know unless some insider comes with juicy information.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 26 Jul 2010 22:57

archan

No big prediction here - just look at TSPA's reaction after previous such visits.

Expect both Gilani and Kayani to make statements like "The world must recongnize TSP as a nucular state" and "TSP will protect its interests at any cost" etc.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jul 2010 22:58

Please take that discusscion to another thread.
Thanks, ramana

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 26 Jul 2010 22:59

Good one Rangudu as you could guess such moves.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Jul 2010 23:01

Rangudu wrote:Re Mullen visit and his LeT mention in TSP, we can gauge the message he gave based on whether TSP "tests" a nucular mijjile soon.

Brilliant observation!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jul 2010 23:03

Rangudu wrote:Hmm, looks like Mullen did say some tough things...

TSP to "test" missile tomorrow

Pakistan to test fire nuclear missile tomorrow

Rangadu saar! We bow to you...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jul 2010 23:04

Great job Rangudu. So is it an act of defiance or is it a display of strength before submission? Or is it a signal to India not to take comfort at LeT's potential takleef?

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 26 Jul 2010 23:11

Unless I see otherwise, I'd go with defiance. Kayani is just a Hafiz Saeed in khaki in terms of thinking, so unless Mullen gave an ultimatum he's going to defy and deflect pressure.

Before posting this I wanted to make sure that it was evening in India because today being the 26th, I thought one of the planned reactions could be another attack. Regardless, Kayani is not going to give up his core assets without a full fledged coercive effort from Unkil. That means that LeT is going to be in high gear, with perhaps fewer rallies by Hafiz-e-pig.

The day TSPA gives up the Haqqanis will be day of a larger split between TSPA and its Wahabandi proxies.

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 26 Jul 2010 23:20

Rangudu wrote:
Re Mullen visit and his LeT mention in TSP, we can gauge the message he gave based on whether TSP "tests" a nucular mijjile soon.

Brilliant observation!

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They decided to test NO-DO-CHORI-GHORI after India tested intercepter.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Jul 2010 23:22

Security mention makes this ok for this thread.

Neutral Tests in England at risk after loss of up £750,000 for Pakistan and Australia clash....

Pakistan are hoping to make England a second home while their own country is off the international rota due to security concerns. However, after low crowds at Headingley and Lord’s, Test grounds may be reluctant to enter the England and Wales Cricket Board’s bid process for staging their matches unless there are changes to how that system operates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... clash.html

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Jul 2010 23:23

Dan Mazer wrote:
Kiyani's intervention prior to Pilla's comments may have been the actual reason for the talks to fail. But even if this intervention had not happened, Pillai's comments would have likely made it difficult for the Indian team to have made any concessions. So irrespective of what actually caused the talks to fail we can still discuss as to whether the comments were sanctioned or not.

They were looking to blame India for the "failure" of talks any way. Keeps the pot boiling nicely back home. Quereshi comes out looking like a paki mard with hair on his chest. Win win all the way.

They could have hung this hat on any convenient peg, Pillay was just a convenient one. The Indian public have been long kept in the dark about the enormity of the perfidy of the paki state. State and non state actors have become indistinguishable.

PC had already given them evidence of headley. Pillay's comments were innocuous enough. SMK turned out to be the joker in the pack. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Designer suits not withstanding.

Giving comfort to our enemies has become a trademark among our geriatric politicians.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 26 Jul 2010 23:26

WikiLeaks report fictitious, says Pakistan's ex-spy chief Hamid Gul
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Sou ... -Hamid-Gul

Pakistan, a country awash in conspiracy theories, is already buzzing with rumors that the US orchestrated the WikiLeaks exposé to undermine Pakistan and pave the way for military intervention here. Gul himself warns that any military intervention in Pakistan will send the country into turmoil. “You touch Pakistan on any pretext, it will ignite an inferno which will inflame every part of the region,” he says.

R. Krithivas

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jul 2010 23:28

Rangudu wrote:Unless I see otherwise, I'd go with defiance. Kayani is just a Hafiz Saeed in khaki in terms of thinking, so unless Mullen gave an ultimatum he's going to defy and deflect pressure.

If this is an act of defiance, does the US have any options? As some of the people suggested here, is the US out of options now? Or do they have any other alternatives?

Before posting this I wanted to make sure that it was evening in India because today being the 26th, I thought one of the planned reactions could be another attack. Regardless, Kayani is not going to give up his core assets without a full fledged coercive effort from Unkil. That means that LeT is going to be in high gear, with perhaps fewer rallies by Hafiz-e-pig.

That is a scary thought. But you seem to be ahead of the curve than the arm-chair Pukestan analysts when it comes to the terror regime.

The day TSPA gives up the Haqqanis will be day of a larger split between TSPA and its Wahabandi proxies.

I guess that the Pukes would like the unkil to deliver Cashmere as a condition.

negi · Post by **negi** » 26 Jul 2010 23:30

It might be a response to our ABM test as well i.e. they have an excuse that we started it.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jul 2010 23:33

Pakistan acknowledges Faisal Shahzad met Taliban chief

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan acknowledged Monday that the Pakistani-American who pleaded guilty to a New York bomb plot met the country's Taliban commander, just days after footage emerged of them hugging.
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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Jul 2010 23:35

negi wrote:It might be a response to our ABM test as well .

I would tend to agree with you.

These buggers seem to have an endless stock of cosmetically modified missiles ready for launch at the slightest provocation.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 26 Jul 2010 23:40

Sirs,

Are we seeing a case of strained US-Pak relations? As if something has snapped - not threatening enough to turn the US lovefest but something which is making US adopt more harline stance from the USA?

Is it possible that all these leaks (which I consider high profile - the LSE story and now this) are being used to pressure the TSPA to tow US line and ensure a US desired end game in Afganistan - to ensure that Robert Blackwill type solution (or what ever else it might be) is implement at the terms of US and prevent maneuvering space for the TSPA?

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 26 Jul 2010 23:41

chetak wrote:
negi wrote:It might be a response to our ABM test as well .
I would tend to agree with you.

These buggers seem to have an endless stock of cosmetically modified missiles ready for launch at the slightest provocation.

Its not endless. Nothing comes free and pakis dont exactly have anything which is termed useful.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Jul 2010 23:46

Folks who want to see linkage with the AAD test please look at sequence of events. The news comes after Mullen visit and overt threats about LeT etc.

The TSP missile test primary reason is to show defiance after the US demands. AAD test is a secondary reason and not the prime. Don't put the cart before the horse. Incorrect analysis and leads to self goals. If the secy reason is right then Indians should never give reasons for TSP to go nuts which is US dogma.

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rohitvats, The US was demanding action on Haqqani group. In response the TSP allowed the LeT to make forays against the NATO troops. Mullen told them its abig no-no.
In repsonse we have the repainted liquid fuel NoDong being test fired.

Does US have Patriots in Afghanistan?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jul 2010 23:50

Dont they have to inform India before such tests ?

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 26 Jul 2010 23:53

Ramana :

Does US have Patriots in Afghanistan?

Ramana garu, I would rephrase that question, 'Does US have patriots in Afghanistan?', in light of the wikileaks.

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Jul 2010 00:08

ramana wrote: The TSP missile test primary reason is to show defiance after the US demands. AAD test is a secondary reason and not the prime.

I don't know how does it show defiance for if asked they can always point towards India and our test as an ostensible cause. Moreover news about India's ABM test(to be conducted in August) was out in the first week of July itself.

As per DRDO chief V K Saraswat (economic times 1 Jul 2010)

"Now the (ballistic missile defence system) test is going to be conducted in the month of August during which we will try to intercept a missile at altitudes of 15-20 kilometres,"

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 27 Jul 2010 00:16

3,000 terrorists for India battle: Pak Taliban

WKK's will now jump and say oh we should have piss with pakistan otherwise talibs are coming onlee

Pakistan's Taliban claims it has organised 3,000 terrorists for its declared battle against India , the Taliban spokesperson tells Tahir Ali in Islamabad
TTP spokesperson Azam Tariq told this correspondent in a telephone interview that the TTP has vowed to capture "Hindustan".

"India is our jageer (domain)," Tariq said, "and we will attack to take possession of it. We are training lots of fighters and suicide bombers who will be used for this purpose."

"For us, whether they are Hindus or Jews, they all are the same. Soon, we will teach India a lesson. India's defeat at the hands of the mujahedeen is written in our religious books," he boasted.

When asked how the TTP is preparing for its declared onslaught against India, Tariq claimed, "We are preparing fighters to attack India. Sooner or later, when there is no tussle between the Pakistani forces and us, or after we defeat the Pakistani forces, the mujahideen will move towards Hindustan."

I wish they defeat the paki forces and takeover pakistan. Tab ayaga mazza

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 27 Jul 2010 00:37

jagga wrote:3,000 terrorists for India battle: Pak Taliban

Munafiqeen before Idol worshipers no?

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 27 Jul 2010 00:40

ramana wrote: So is it an act of defiance or is it a display of strength before submission? Or is it a signal to India not to take comfort at LeT's potential takleef?

As this discussion is about making assumptions over an assumption, let me add few thoughts. Open defiance such as N missile bravado against US kills their finance. If it is any it could be against India to show that they are strong enough. It may due to AAD test or due to Mullen's pressure. Second, to attack Afghan base no need to test liquid missile like Nodong, Saheen-I is enough. Their strength lies in telling to the world they are indeed coalition partners and helps to capture OBL. The momemt their statements/actions become unambigous they overplayed their hand and invite the wrath of US and Nato. Or, combining the leaks ( which seems to be deliberate ) and considering it is indeed Mullen's tough message, it could be that, Pakis must be showing their only last hope, that is their so called strategic weapon. Whats going to happen next is very interesting, if this is the case.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 27 Jul 2010 00:48

US paying Pakistan to kill American troops? By Chidanand Rajghatta Jul 27, 2010

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Jul 2010 00:50

I really doubt that Taliban movement is pure enough to defeat Paki Army. If Taliban is as pure as they claim I want them to first show their spirit of circumcission in Pakistan before attempting to address yindoo kafirs. Even prophet failed defeat the cunning yindoostan.

I would believe taliban claims when I see 72 Fridays with 786 soosai bums on each Friday claiming at least 100+ unpelievers in Pakistan. Till then Taliban is nothing but a bunch of uncircumcised blsphemists.

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 27 Jul 2010 01:00

jagga wrote:3,000 terrorists for India battle: Pak Taliban

Tariq said Islamic scriptures have predicted a victory over "non-believers".

Charming. Meanwhile:Pakistan reaches out to Buddhists

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jul 2010 01:01

X-posted....
TOI says:
Leaks show up undeclared war by Pak on India

WASHINGTON: Pakistan's war by terrorism against India in Afghanistan is highlighted in the WikiLeaks cache, including a July 1, 2008, threat report issued by Polish intelligence in Kabul that warns of an attack on the Indian embassy, which was carried out a week later.

The report relating to the attack on the Indian Embassy reads: INS [insurgents] are planning to divide into two groups: first will attack Indian embassy building, whilst the second group will engage security posts in front of MOI [the Afghan ministry of interior], IOT [in order to] give possibility to escape attackers from the first group.

The main goal of this operation is to show TB's [Taliban's] ability to carry out attack on every object in Kabul."

The attack claimed more than 50 lives, including that of a young Indian diplomat from the foreign service and a senior Indian military attache.

In fact, so strong was the ISI fingerprint in the attack that the then-US President George Bush and CIA deputy director Stephen Kappes are said to have confronted Islamabad with evidence that ISI elements aided militants in the attack.

While the WikiLeaks cache of documents is replete with instances of Pakistani support and sponsorship of terrorism in Afghanistan, the most charitable explanation being trotted out by Pakistani apologists in Washington is that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing in Pakistan. Another way of looking at it is Pakistan deliberately insulates a section of the ISI (called the S division) that controls and practices terrorism, to maintain what is called plausible deniability.

The expose also suggests that Pakistan uses its retired and former generals in pursuit of its policy of state-run terrorism. Among its proxies is Lt-Gen Hamid Gul, a favourite of television anchors even in India whose pro-Taliban stance and conspiracy theories are said to provide an alternative narrative in the war on terror. But according to the documents accessed by WikiLeaks, Gul, a former ISI chief and one of Pakistan's top generals, is an active terrorist. In the documents, Gul is depicted as an adviser and an important source of aid to the Taliban. One report even calls him "a leader" of the insurgents.

One threat report from January 14, 2008 claims that Gul coordinated the planned kidnapping of United Nations employees on Highway 1 between Kabul and Jalalabad. The memos also state that Gul ordered suicide attacks, describing the former intelligence chief as one of the most important suppliers of weaponry to the Taliban.

A threat report issued in Kabul on December 23, 2006, reveals monthly visits by Gen Gul to a madrassa in Khyber Pakhutnwa Province, in Pakistan, cited as a major provider of young buys for suicide missions in Afghanistan. The report includes a comment from the CIA Counterterrorism Center: "95% of the suicide attackers are trained in the 'Madrassa of Hashimiye' which is located in Peshawar district of Pakistan. Monthly, the former chief of ISI General Hamid Gul is visiting this madrassa."

Another threat report issued in Kabul on December 30, 2006, suggests Gen Gul, in a meeting earlier that month, directed three attackers to carry out IED attacks along the roads of the Afghan capital during the Eid ul-Fitr. The report reads: "Gul instructed two of the individuals to plant IEDs along the roads frequently utilized by government of Afghanistan (GOA) and ISAF [International Security Assistance Force] vehicles. The third individual is to carry out a suicide attack utilizing a suicide vest against GOA or ISAF entities. Reportedly, Gul's final comment to the three individuals was 'make the snow warm in Kabul', basically telling them to set Kabul aflame.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 27 Jul 2010 01:07

IMO, considering the timing of the "leaks", it appears that it is actually Pillai who saved SMK's dhoti in Pakistan.

Pillai garu's statements and these leaks are consistent in what they aim to achieve.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jul 2010 01:12

Yeah would be pilloried by DDM once the leaks came out if they went ahead with talks.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 27 Jul 2010 01:14

jagga wrote:"For us, whether they are Hindus or Jews, they all are the same. Soon, we will teach India a lesson. India's defeat at the hands of the mujahedeen is written in our religious books," he boasted.

Did the screptures also write a date there? Could they make sure to attack only when the prediction is sure to succeed and not before or after and lose?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Jul 2010 01:22

IMO, theTaliban are trouble if you're trying to invade and hold on to their home turf, and that too, it should be mountainous territory. If you're defending your own, they should not be more than a nuisance.