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I'm surprised and shocked to read that there is NO underground tunnel link existing at the PM's residence which can whisk him to safety in the evnt of a crisis,especially a nuclear one.It should've been built when the current incumbent moved into his residence.In fact,a permanent residence for our PM should be built in the capital,with underground links to a rail network that can carry him and key elements of the establishment to various locations from which he can be flown out of the capital by helo or an aircraft to a secret commmand/communications post during a military crisis.It should also include deep built NBC shelters,etc.,etc.,for emergency use,as we have but a couple of minutes wraning in the event of a Paki missile launch.The British govt. have reportedly a huge underground complex (under the Thames too) at Whitehall in the heart of govt.Churchill's famous "Cabinet War Rooms" are open to the public as a museum to WW2,well worth a visit.One should've taken advantage while building Delhi's Metro network to have included a secret rail link for use of our key figures of the establishment.China is reported to have built during the Cold War vast underground cities for its babus and Zhongnanhai gerontocracy in the event of a nuclear war.

Meanwhile interesting news about the Russian "spies',is one returnee a US double agent?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... agent.html
Russia's SVR 'to grill 10 deported spies for three weeks to flush out double agent'
Russia’s intelligence service fears one of its 10 deported spies is a double agent and is planning to put them through three weeks of tests to flush out any traitors.
Plus,a turncoat MI-6 agent who was hawking the secret indentities of hundreds of MI-6 operatives.
Top secret MI6 spy list at risk after 'loose cannon' agent touts documents for £2million
By Daily Mail Reporter

Daniel Houghton admits two breaches of Official Secrets Act
Judge warns agent caught in sting jail term is 'inevitable'
Security sources: Some documents have not been traced

A top secret list of MI6 agents could still fall into enemy hands after a former spy pleaded guilty to breaching the Offical Secrets Act, it emerged today.
Daniel Houghton, 25, removed classified material and attempted to sell it to the Dutch for up to £2million.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0tf0rst9z
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Nuclear shroud

Nuclear scientists are dying under mysterious circumstances. Why is the Centre in hush-hush mode?


http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... Id=7523996
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sunny y wrote:Nuclear shroud

Nuclear scientists are dying under mysterious circumstances. Why is the Centre in hush-hush mode?


http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... Id=7523996
Shocking! This is the line that hit me the most
Slowly it emerged that hundreds of people—even those not authorised to enter the premises—used a master-card to enter the area.
First the news about hard drive of a tainted army major being wiped while under the custody of MI, and now the mysterious deaths and tritium laced water.I don't expect cops do much,they don't have the equipment nor training to solve such crimes,but shouldnt the CBI/Military intelligence use forensics to try and solve these mysteries? And why do we still rely on access cards in such sensitive places? Shouldn't it be a combination of biometrics+magnetic cards? Going by these reports it is safe to assume that there are not many security cameras inside these facilities. If the west has apprehensions about our nuclear program,we are just feeding their guns with incidents like these..
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Al-Qaeda branches out

Al-Qaeda announced the establishment of its Kashmir branch in a communiqué released to jihadist websites on 15 June. The statement took the form of an audio recording from Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, an Al-Qaeda leader killed in Pakistan in May


I dont have access to Jane's if someone cud post the whole article for us
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Amiri the nuke scientist case - DNW says, CIA wasn't sure which Amiri he was. They weren't sure if he was actually a nuke scientist Lol!!! They realised that there are 3 people with similar names, but they weren't sure if he was the real Amiri. It was Amiri who approached EU visitors that he wanted to help the US, 6 years ago. CIA didn't give him much attention. But it appeared Amiri did quite well in his uni research assignments. So, the Israeli's and CIA got together to discuss him.

DNW reckons that Amiri must have been a key contributor of the Iranian nuclear docs on the laptop computer which the US showed nuclear watchdog executives in Vienna in 2005.

The Americans claimed that these pages were taken from an Iranian laptop computer in mid-2004. They never gave away their sources, beyond citing a long-serving connection inside Iran.
That connection was Amiri, which is most likely one of the few true elements in the blend of fact and fiction surrounding this individual.

In 2008, Amiri told his handlers that he was getting scared that MoIS was onto him. But CIA concluded its the usual paranoia of spies. Then in 2009 he kept telling his handler the same thing, so US&Israel said lets pull him out of Iran.

So Amiri was given 2 choices - Travel to Mecca and get picked up there OR a plane/ship to take him to one of the GCC states. Iran encourages its govt employees to travel on Hajj etc but monitored by Al Qods brigade boys.

Of course Amiri is singing a totally diff story of being forced to getinto a car with a gun to his kneck.

DNW says only true bit was that the KSA GID organised and conducted the operation of the transfer of Amiri from Mecca to the special US plane that awaited him in Jedda.

Upon debrief, this Amiri (they reckon that the Amiri who was in custody wasnt the same Amiri that they were dealing with all these years) didn't have his story straight. He couldn't talk about the building he worked in or his day to day activities that well. He started to contradict himself and the CIA decided that Amiri is either a phony or he never existed.

(My comment: From DNW's account it looks like the CIA never actually met face to face with Amiri and relied on go-betweens).

CIA/Israel concludes Iranian intel tricked them.

So now US is pausing and taking a step back to think about their Iran nuke policy which a lot of it was based on Amiri's documents and info. A lot of moves on Iran nuke issue was based on Amiri, so they reckon Tehran manipulated their policies.

DNW says after finding the secret nuke site at Qom on a side of a mountain which was based on Amiri's info (My comment: weird because DNW actually said before that they knew about this site for 2 years), the US actually gave Iran a 2 week ultimatum to come clean. The Qom site eqpt had been moved to another location which is still unknown to this day. IAEA guys inspected and found nothing but empty tunnels, then nothin was heard about this ultimatum. Only in the last few months were the west able to realise that they were being misdirected.

DNW says the truth is that US is now clueless and only relied on 1 or 2 nuke scientists, of which one was def Amiri. DNW says Rboert Gates told white house that they have no plan to stop Iran from going nuuke.

DNW says it is too late to stop Iran from going nukleaar and that Amiri was crucial. DNW compares this to the KGB agent Yurchenko defection of the US in 1980's. SVR closely cooperates with MoIS.

US officials were in denial in the press - saying we got a the better end of the deals. He is trying to build up credibility to go back home to see his family.

Amiri got paid $5m from the program. DNW says they aren't sure when CIA realised he was a double agent. THey allowed him free movement in the US to see who he would contact.

Loads of Amiri look alikes videos were released on the internet. And Iranian TV released a video of Amiri from an internet cafe in Arizona. Then US realised they can't prevent him from going back.

As soon as he landed he told news " I was never a nuke scientist!". Obviously the tough question for Iranian intel is whether he is now a double agent working for CIA.

If all this proves true, Iranian intel is now in Kick ass league.

After giving KSA a kick inbetween the legs in Yemen, which lead to Rigi arrest. Now this. Also the election saga.
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Why Shahram Amiri is hotter than Anna Chapman

http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/post ... na_chapman
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Brilliant work by Iranian intel if DNW report is true. :shock:
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State Department warns employees about new website highlighting Top Secret facilities

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... t_faciliti
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X-posting JuggiG's article since it is also relevant to our intel setup:
Falling under the Director General (Security), under Aviation Research Center (ARC), the aircraft have civilian pilots as well as those from the Indian Air Force (IAF), who come on deputation, with the special aircraft being headed by an IAF Air Vice Marshal, called the Operations Manager, who reports to the DG (Security), who in turn is under the Cabinet Secretariat, with the entire apparatus coming under the National Security Advisor (NSA). Carrying out approximately two missions a month, these aircraft are for India's immediate neighbourhood for collection of data, pictures and other information. Missions like 'strip mode' and 'spot mode' are also part of these far-reaching aircraft.

Right now in service are five aircraft, an assortment of G-3 from Gulfstream, and Boeing 707s.

Raytheon was pitted against the Israeli IAI (Israeli Aircraft Industries) Elta and Elbit, of which Elta is said to have come out as the L1 vendor, successfully meeting all requirements.These systems will be integrated onboard the Canadian business jets Bombardier. The competing aircraft manufacturers were Falcon, Bombardier and Gulfstream, who were required to team up with the system providers. All three aircraft manufacturers and system providers were asked to tie up to make one team in order to meet India's requirements of the special missions to be carried out, as per the bid.
New Delhi has also asked the systems providers to configure the EO payload for an increased surveillance range, as one of its requirements. These sensors would cover a larger area in the neighbourhood. A source told DNA, "With a disturbed neighbourhood, it is important to have aviation assets seperate from the IAF, by the Cabinet which from time to time carry out missions of data collection. Sometimes they do get intercepted and the matter is taken up by the Governments of the two countries."

The Canadian Bombadier Aerospace is the third largest aircraft company in the world and makes business as well as commercial jets, of which the most popular models are Dash 8, CRJ100/200/440, and CRJ700/900/1000 lines of regional carriers. The Bombardier 415 amphibious water-bomber and the Challenger business jet are also manufactured by Bombadier, while the Learjet continues to operate as a subsidiary of Bombardier and manufactures jets under the Learjet name.

These aircraft do not come under the charter of the DGCA, nor are they under the operational control of the IAF.

These special aircraft are configured with a flight management system comprising a worldwide satellite-based Global Positioning System. They can cruise at a particular altitude, and consist of a of an advanced weather radar, autopilot and head-up display for the pilot. Safety features include enhanced night vision/vision systems which increase visibility in all kinds of environments. State of the art communication systems, data link, ensure a safe voice and data quality. The crew mainly comprises two pilots, one flight engineer, one communications systems operator, and one flight attendant.
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A hidden world, growing beyond control

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top- ... /articles/
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http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... series_yet
Here's what the website did tell us about the State Department:

There are 146 contracting companies doing Top Secret work for the State Department, 13 large companies, 25 medium-sized, and 108 small companies spread across nine locations. The Department ranks 11th out of 45 agencies in terms of the number of Top Secret contractors it employs. That's the largest number of intelligence contractors outside the defense establishment, after the Homeland Security Department and the FBI.

The types of Top Secret work that State is contracting out include everything from psychological operations and counterdrug operations to intelligence analysis, security, facilities management, and even disaster preparation.
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Angle of Defection
Was Shahram Amiri's return to Iran politically motivated, or was he just miserable?

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... _defection
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'Mossad agents' expelled from Mauritius

Israeli men arrested upon arrival on island by officers claiming they came to spy on Dubai citizens
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shyamd wrote:'Mossad agents' expelled from Mauritius

Israeli men arrested upon arrival on island by officers claiming they came to spy on Dubai citizens
That looks more like politically motivated arrest with a nice story in light of recent Dubai incident to back it up
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CIA names new spy chief

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/21/ ... l?hpt=Sbin

The man who oversaw the CIA's counterterrorism efforts in Pakistan will now be in charge of the agency's spy operations.

John Bennett, one of the CIA's most experienced spies, was named Wednesday by Director Leon Panetta to be the next head of the National Clandestine Service.

He served four tours as a station chief, including a recent assignment in Islamabad. While in Pakistan, Bennett was in charge of the intensified effort to use unmanned aircraft to fire missiles at suspected terrorists.
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X-post

Because of the protests by illegal Bangladeshis in Assam, the great CM there has suspended the NRC update which was targeted at removing illegal BDs from there. Not to forget that the update was anyway started 5 years late. Its so depressing to read this. If this goes on Indics have no chance against these barbarians.

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/det ... l2210/at06
AASU flays CM for suspending NRC update
Staff reporter
GUWAHATI, July 21 – Terming Tarun Gogoi a ‘surrendered Chief Minister’ for suspending the National Register of Citizens (NRC) update process following protests from the All Minorities Students’ Union in Barpeta and Chaygaon revenue circles, the All Assam Students’ Union (AASU) bracketed Gogoi and the minority students’ body together as protectors of Bangladeshis in the State.

Further lashing out on both, AASU adviser Dr Samujjal Bhattacharya questioned their integrity behind their respective acts and said that the NRC update process cannot be put to halt under any circumstances.

“Gogoi’s decision to suspend the update process once again proved why it took five years to start the process even after a decision on this was taken at the Prime Minister’s level in 2005. If he cannot handle the situation, let him quit the post,” Dr Bhattacharya said.

The pilot project of the NRC update process began in Barpeta and Chaygaon revenue circles from June 1.

He went on to allege that Gogoi’s decision to suspend the update process was taken to woo the Bangladeshi vote bank.

The students’ leader slammed AAMSU saying that the organisation is working at the behest of Bangladeshi lobby and demanded the administration take stern action against those hampering the update process.

“AAMSU is the brainchild of Congress but at no cost would they be allowed to play with the interest of the indigenous people. The NRC would be updated with 1971 as the base year and anyone whose name does not figure in that voters’ list, be it Hindu, Muslim or the ones belonging to any other religion will have to leave the country,” Dr Bhattacharya stated.

“The vested interest circles would now either try to gain political mileage from the incident or try to give it a communal colour. We appeal to all the people who came to the State before 1971 to help in update of the NRC and thwart any attempt of these anti-national circles,” he urged.

AASU general secretary Tapan Kumar Gogoi warned of a large-scale movement if the update process is not resumed.

The students’ body also warned that attacks on the indigenous people would never be tolerated.
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Fictitious femme fatale fooled cybersecurity http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... rsecurity/
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Seems the 10 spies were betrayed by human source as confirmed by Putin

Putin promises bright future to deported Russian spies
BEING A SPY IS TOUGH

Putin, a former KGB officer with experience of working abroad, said the life of a spy is very tough.

"Imagine - they have to master a foreign language as your own, think and speak it, fulfill tasks in the interests of their motherland for many years without counting on diplomatic immunity," Putin said.
THE SPIES WERE BETRAYED

Putin reiterated on Saturday that the Russian spy network had been uncovered as a result of betrayal.

"As I said earlier, this [spy scandal] came as a result of betrayal. They [the betrayers] always end up badly taking to drink or drugs, in a gutter" he said, adding that he knew all betrayers by their names.
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I don't see that we have a Cyberwarfare thread, so I guess I'll post this here:

US security chiefs tricked in social networking experiment

Fake analyst gained access to dozens of US security and intelligence officials
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^^^
Not enough sustainable material for a cyber thread. Hackers or websites which are hacked - neither wants any publicity. And new articles/claims are not easily verifiable.

No way ascertain the accuracy of information posted by even reputed news agencies.
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talking of cyber security, hope this was not posted earlier...

Indian Army’s Cyber Terrorism Strategy

another link
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A blueprint for covert action from SATP:

Covert Action
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http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/ ... s-pakistan by David P. Goldman on WIKIleaks, 92,000 Intelligence documents. Looks like someone in pentagon let the cat out.
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Kabul War diary - http://wardiary.wikileaks.org
92,000 intelligence documents
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ramana wrote:A blueprint for covert action from SATP:

Covert Action
Good read but no mention of the JIT-X which did some minor bombing etc in pak in the 80s means that lots of info has still been left unsaid.

Also, hoping that the source for the "35000 agents in Pak" statement was a SDRE intel officer!!! :twisted: :twisted:
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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/afgha ... cle/840132

Pakistani spy agency denies links to Taliban :shock:
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The level of tech int available with the MI needs to be seen to be believed.We are self sufficient wrt tech-int at the moment.Infact we actually possess enough to share with the CIA/MI6/Mossad.The cold start doctrine relies heavily on tech-int.
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Wikileaks uploads Indian Army Doctrine :oops: - http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Indian_Army_D ... part1_2004
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^^I think that is open source. You can find it on Indian Army website as well.
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Anshul wrote:The level of tech int available with the MI needs to be seen to be believed.We are self sufficient wrt tech-int at the moment.Infact we actually possess enough to share with the CIA/MI6/Mossad.The cold start doctrine relies heavily on tech-int.
Saar,

Are you mentioning only about MI or all agencies in general ( RAW, ARC, NTRO etc)?

From where have we caught hold of such complex equipment to be self-sufficient in TECHINT? Is everything imported?
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While we are discussing Tech Int capabilities of the Indian Army, can any one shed some light on Blackberry operations in India. Just came across this article which says that the UAE & Saudi Arabia are stopping Blackberry services because they are finding it difficult to monitor their use.
Last I had heard as the Indian government was planning to block Blackberry a couple of years ago.
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^^ GOI wants Black Berry Server in India... Currently server is based at Canada where the encryption level is very high and extremely difficult to crack. Any message going through a Canadian server is encrypted and therefore cannot be accessed by intelligence agencies in India...

TOI Article
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It makes me wonder if the Indian Agencies find it difficult to break a commerically used BB security encryption/algo of 256 bit , how on earth will they every decipher mil grade communications it is quite easy to use higher bit encryption using commonly available opensource tool.

Well terrorist attack happened in Indian when there was no BB and it happens even with BB , as long as there is a valid judicial order or executive request BB will comply and they have to do so.

This random surveillance of BB service is just Intel BIG Brother approach to invade privacy , reminds me of recent political surveillance fiasco that happend some months back

BB must be in use in many countries and most do not make a fuss about it.
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Need should not be limited to making BB comply to GOI demands... Need is to develop techniques which can help agencies to crack such high encryption and much more...

Funny Part is Last year, the government had forced all ISPs in the country to reduce encryption levels to the 40-bit standard. The logic was that India’s security agencies lacked the technological capabilities to monitor data transfers on the internet when encryption levels were higher than 40 bits.

The communications ministry had demanded that RIM* reduce its data security standard to 40-bit encryption, a level that can be intercepted by Indian security agencies.

RIM - Research In Motion (RIM) is the company behind the BlackBerry® brand.
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‘ISI agent’ held in Ferozepur
The Ferozepur police have arrested one Rajavillah who had been living in the town for the last three years with a fake identity of Rakesh Kumar. According to the police, Rajavillah was sent by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and he had been supplying secret information of the Indian Army, details of ammunition, railway lines and bridges to the neighbouring country via email.

The police said a laptop computer had been seized from the accused and more details would be revealed after investigation. The “ISI agent” was arrested on a secret information by the CIA staff in-charge Sarabjit Singh.
He came to India via Nepal and went to Ludhiana before settling down in the border town of Ferozepur. He had two mobile phones and their call details are being tracked. We will extract more information from him.
I just hope they "extract" as much as they can..
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Austin wrote: BB must be in use in many countries and most do not make a fuss about it.
Saudi and UAE also object to some BB services because of security concerns.

US is objecting to their objections citing free flow of information.

India is right in asking BB to fall in line or simply go home.

Free flow of info be damned. There are other means to safe guard free flow.
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nits wrote:The communications ministry had demanded that RIM* reduce its data security standard to 40-bit encryption, a level that can be intercepted by Indian security agencies.
Does not speak well about our agencies interception and decoding facility.

If I am not wrong in US NSA has maintained the encryption level to 128 bit for all systems exported from US and US Gov internal communication needs atleast 256 bit encryption which is mandatory.
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