Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2010 07:01

Hamid Mir of Geo TV decides to find out the problems of the mango abdul in Pakistan. To do so, he goes to Murree hill station, where the persons he interview are paying a minimum of Rs 3000 a night for lodging, and most are paying more, in the Rs 6000-8000 range. And I suppose he wants us to believe that these people he is interviewing are the "aam aadmi".

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 31 Jul 2010 07:13

ramana wrote:Op-Ed by M.K. Bhadra Kumar in Hindu

The Politics of Taliban reconciliation

This man has been singing the same 'oppari' in various raag's and taal's for the last few months. Not a single of these opparii's have any productive suggestion on what to do. That is typical of this class of bungling incompetent corrupt stuck-in-30's babus who have brought shame on India and have kept it poorer than sub-saharan africa for decades...

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 31 Jul 2010 07:18

Brad Goodman wrote:Lets capture one paki village then next step rename it to dilli rather mughaliya dilli then ask army engineer to built a small kholi with red bricks call it red fort (rather hang a board saying so) then rule it for a few days then retreat from the village. TSPA will enter the village like gazi force out to liberate that way you have killed multiple birds with one stone. TSPA gets to raise paki flag on red fort in mughaliya dilli. brophets gazwa e behind also gets fulfilled now mango abduls will dance in extasy for few days the last time they did that was when the bum smuggled over night from cheena using khan's C130 were blasted in chagai. Since that counted as victory this should also be declared as one. After the euphoria wanes abduls will ask now OK you have captured dilli and raised sabz hilali parcham now we need food and water. We have waited 60 years for that we cannot wait any longer.

The parallel between Ca-Lima in Planet of the Apes and La Al Killa in Planet of the Poaks is so striking . Common denominator being both living on khum. Lord Jinah did make the Poaks in his own image,starting with Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2010 07:37

Suppiah wrote:This man has been singing the same 'oppari' in various raag's and taal's for the last few months.

Karkala Joishy · Post by **Karkala Joishy** » 31 Jul 2010 08:18

shiv wrote: I think Nandu did the right thing. Neither ramana nor I nor BRF should actually be claiming any credit for anything and none have done that. I have personally erred in not knowing who the original cartoonist was.

I think the cartoonist is Ajit Ninan who used to work for India Today a long time ago, and maybe still does... the style is similar.

Here is one of his cartoons.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 31 Jul 2010 09:20

Pakistan likes Al Qaeda more than America

The US is in the middle of a $7.5 billion aid program to Pakistan. But America's image is slipping in the country, where its unfavorable rating is almost as bad as the Taliban's and even Al Qaeda is more popular.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Jul 2010 09:31

The Khantes need to realise that paying Jazia will not get them love from the Mad mullah brigade. MMB will always look at ways and means of extracting mire Jazia.

Sadly the Khans are paying up, instead of doing somethong bout it.

The best thing will be to stop paying up. Only then will the MMB will see the light. But alas.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 31 Jul 2010 10:02

Tattoos — the new rage sweeping the city http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg13_7
Lahore

Yahya Jaan, a Karachi based businessman got the national flag and the word ‘Pakistan’ tattooed on both of his arms. “While I was travelling in London, I went to a tattoo parlour and asked the man there to make me the Pakistani flag. To my surprise, not only did he refuse to make that tattoo, but he also said that he could write a derogatory word for Pakistanis on his arm.

I had a quarrel with him over the issue and I came back to Pakistan and got me this tattoo,” Yahya told Daily Times.
“In a few days, I am leaving for USA with a connecting flight to London and I will deliberately wear a short-sleeved shirt so people can see the national flag of my country and know that I am proud to be a Pakistani,” he said.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 31 Jul 2010 10:11

Check out this headline. It's for real

Pakis to celebrate Azadi festivals on Aug 6, 8 in US

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 31 Jul 2010 10:21

Pakistan may ban Bollywood movies for Eid

Pakistan Culture Minister Aftab Shah Jilani has said that the government could block the release of Indian films for the upcoming Eid al-Fitr festival in order to encourage the struggling local industry.

Jilani said that any decision would be taken after further discussions within the government.

He said Pakistani film-makers had complained that cinemas prefer to show Bollywood movies which were affecting the local industry.

Film distributors and cinema owners in the country are concerned after the federal minister announced the proposal.

They said that the government should take this risk on its own by hiring cinema houses as they cannot afford to lose millions of rupees in their peak earning days of the year.

"Eid is an occasion when people throng to cinemas and Pakistani movies didn't have a track record of doing great business during the holidays," Pakistan Film Exhibitors Association Chairman Zoraiz Lashari said.

"This proposal to block Indian films release on Eid is unfair," he said.

"It seems as if the honourable minister has looked at only those aspects which the film directors wanted him to look at. The cinemas in Sindh don't screen Punjabi movies. If two of the four movies being released in Karachi are Punjabi what will they do," he said.

Presently cinemas in cities like Karachi and Lahore [ Images ] rely on screening latest Indian and Hollywood releases including the cineplexes.

Currently there are 14 cinemas in Lahore and many of them don't even screen Punjabi movies.

Lashari said the cinema owners were ready to give show time to Pakistani movies but there should be no binding on Indian films' release.

Nadeem Mandviwalla, a known film distributor and the owner of several cinema houses, said that the decision of banning the screening of Indian movies on Eid was not justified and should not be implemented at any cost.

However, United Film Association Chairman Amjad Farzand Ali applauded the announcement, adding that the domestic film industry was more important than the business generated by Indian films.

"Cinemas show Indian movies throughout the year, why is it wrong if they screen our own films on Eid?"

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/ ... or-eid.htm

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Jul 2010 10:25

Did the pakis not get Azadi on 14th.

Or have they decided that by celebrating on 6th they can claim that they are 9 days ahead of us SDREs.

Or do they want to claim that they deserve the fate of Hiroshima. Considering what happned on 6th of Aug.

So many questions but no answeres.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Jul 2010 10:33

Barbarik wrote:
Pakistan may ban Bollywood movies for Eid

SNIP...
"Cinemas show Indian movies throughout the year, why is it wrong if they screen our own films on Eid?"

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/ ... or-eid.htm

I thought that only pirated Indian cinema was shown in TSP. But it seems that SDRE cultural imperialism is alive and kicking if the Pakis allow the screening legally. A wonderful opportunity to cause some heartburn in TSP by showing some Dharmic movies.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 31 Jul 2010 10:39

Link

Over half, 53 per cent, consider India a “very serious threat” and another 21 per cent consider it a “somewhat serious threat”. The numbers for Al Qaeda and Taliban are far lower: 21 and 38 per cent and 34 and 54 per cent, respectively.

The highest numbers in this context come from Punjab province, the base of the LeT, where 84 per cent consider India a serious threat.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Jul 2010 11:27

India is threat to TSP dur to the fact that it exists. No more no less. Regardless of what Indian does short of paying jazia to TSP. This threat will not end. We need to make sure that Indian threat never weakens for TSP.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 31 Jul 2010 11:41

Sanjay M wrote:Pakistan likes Al Qaeda more than America

The US is in the middle of a $7.5 billion aid program to Pakistan. But America's image is slipping in the country, where its unfavorable rating is almost as bad as the Taliban's and even Al Qaeda is more popular.

If the impression is given that support from Pakistan to Al queda is irrelevant then they will just ignore.
The more Pakistani are told not to support this or that they will do it as a defiance. These are children with big egos

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 31 Jul 2010 12:21

"Modern" Pakistanis support medieval laws

61% of those polled say they support modernizers in their struggle with Islamic fundamentalists. At the same time though, a solid majority of Pakistanis polled said they would favor making gender segregation in the workplace a law in the country (85 percent), as well as punishments like whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery (82 percent), and stoning people who commit adultery (82 percent).

According to Peter Mandaville, professor of Government and Islamic Studies at George Mason University and author of Global Political Islam, this reflects "a mistaken tendency to conflate modernization with the adoption of liberal social and religious values. When many Pakistanis think of "modernizing" their country, they think primarily in terms of economic development and technology -- both of which can comfortably coexist alongside conservative religious attitudes."

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 31 Jul 2010 12:55

Raghavendra wrote:“In a few days, I am leaving for USA with a connecting flight to London and I will deliberately wear a short-sleeved shirt so people can see the national flag of my country and know that I am proud to be a Pakistani,” he said.

Then I guess he will experience the joys of GUBO TSA-style!

Maybe he should also get one tattooed on his musharraf so that TSA interrogators are awed by the Bakistani flag.

niran · Post by **niran** » 31 Jul 2010 13:02

Pratyush wrote: A wonderful opportunity to cause some heartburn in TSP by showing some Dharmic movies.

you think it is the producers screening?
it is the Cinema owners who buys the print...er... pirated CD/DVD
and screen it using Chinese made player connected to a projector.
they will screen profitable (to them) onlee Films not something which
will get their property burned.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 31 Jul 2010 13:07

The wait for a messiah
Irfan Husain

So what happened to derail this success story? The short answer is 1965. This brief, pointless war, needlessly provoked by Pakistan, destabilised Ayub Khan’s government, and set in motion a chain of events that had far-reaching consequences that haunt us still. Without getting into the causes leading up to this military disaster, I do see it as a hinge moment in our history.

niran · Post by **niran** » 31 Jul 2010 13:10

Karkala Joishy wrote: I think the cartoonist is Ajit Ninan who used to work for India Today a long time ago, and maybe still does... the style is similar.

Here is one of his cartoons.

the cartoon has been on the nets since 2006, myself had posted it when BENIS had P in place of
B. got it from the now defunct Achmed the Terrorist web site.

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 Jul 2010 13:41

Supping with Taliban - Irfan Hussain in Dawn

The reality is that the West needs whatever help it can get from the Pakistan Army, and cannot afford to cut Pakistan off, given its long common border with Afghanistan. Our military planners know this.

They also know that sooner rather than later, western forces will be pulling out of Afghanistan, and we will have to contend with the turbulent situation that will ensue. Although Nato will try and effect a tidy hand-over of power, I doubt very much if Hamid Karzai’s administration will survive very long. Even if the Taliban give any kind of assurances, these will not endure for a moment after the allies leave.

For Pakistani military planners, fixated as they are by the perceived Indian threat, the worst-case scenario is an alliance between their traditional foe and Afghanistan. To prevent this encirclement, they need a powerful player in place. Who better than the Taliban, the force nurtured by the ISI since its inception in the mid-1990s?

The stark reality is that whether the world likes it or not — and I certainly don’t — the Taliban are the only viable force that can keep the country together. Had Al Qaeda not launched its attacks on America nearly nine years ago, I have little doubt the Taliban would still have been in power in Kabul, busily dragging their benighted country back to the seventh century. And nobody in Washington or London would have really cared.

The alternative to the Taliban is for western forces to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, something the voters back home understandably have no stomach for. The third and best option is for regional states to keep a stabilising force in the country. However, given the bitter rivalry between India and Pakistan, this is clearly a non-starter.

So with the kind of end-game that is beginning to play itself out, there are few strategic choices for Pakistan to pick from. I am sure even our generals would not willingly wish to cosy up to Mullah Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani, but in our tough neighbourhood, they see themselves being pushed into the Taliban corner.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2010 13:49

Meanwhile, killing continues unabated in Karachi

At least five people including an ASI and a woman lost their lives in firing incidents in various areas of the city, Geo News reported Saturday.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2010 13:53

Zardari 'mulls' cancellation of UK visit

A senior Pakistani official told newspaper: "It is a clear swipe at Pakistani security agencies, which have lost thousands of soldiers and officers in fighting terrorism," adding that the decision to cancel the ISI trip was taken by the "top military leadership". {Thus, it is not a political decision. Again, the Army leadership is an independent power centre.}

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Jul 2010 16:32

anupmisra wrote:A wet towel by ... Roedad Khan
In case you are wondering, Roedad Khan is a retrired senior bureaucrat and a paki to the hilt.

Yes. Roedad Khan played a major and a significant role in making Pakistan what it is today. He cannot take a moral high-ground now.

He says

No nation on earth has ever maintained its independence or its political institutions without a struggle.

And a Pakistan which won its independence riding piggy-back on the sacrifice, suffering and struggle of others has no way of knowing it or appreciating it.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jul 2010 17:48

niran wrote:
Karkala Joishy wrote: I think the cartoonist is Ajit Ninan who used to work for India Today a long time ago, and maybe still does... the style is similar.

Here is one of his cartoons.

the cartoon has been on the nets since 2006, myself had posted it when BENIS had P in place of
B. got it from the now defunct Achmed the Terrorist web site.

No, it has been on the net much before. I had put it on my blog in July 2005 and noted that it was already old. I think I had first seen it on BRF.

http://arunsmusings.blogspot.com/2005/0 ... atter.html

PS: the url (now defunct) where I copied it from was:
http://gim.gupshup.org/gal/E/inset_cart ... 767251.JPG

referred to on this page: http://forums.joltonline.com/archive/in ... 31950.html

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 31 Jul 2010 18:05

shiv wrote:I think Nandu did the right thing. Neither ramana nor I nor BRF should actually be claiming any credit for anything and none have done that.

Yes Nandu did the right thing. I have never seen you or anyone else claiming the credit for the cartoon, since the source was unknown, to me, and the chatter around the cartoon led me to believe it was not a BRF creation. What I was alluding to was, based on my belief, about the picture worth being 92,000 documents. I remember the conversations between ramana and you saar trying to resurface this document for references or some other thread.

Again, nobody at BRF has claimed authorship or credit for the words or cartoon. So I did not give any or expect any

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 31 Jul 2010 18:43

Seems like we have not taken a notice of this news

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/PM-needs-to-exercise-his-prime-ministerial-authority/articleshow/6240120.cms

Indo-Pak talks going badly is bad news for any Indian government. Pakistan springing an ambush is even worse. Doubters can tune back to Agra 2001. But a mauled foreign minister returning to Indian soil after a highly forgettable Islamabad sojourn who then endorses Pakistani criticism of why the talks failed...now that is an A-rated nightmare. Considering how much Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has invested in the peace process with Pakistan, foreign minister S M Krishna handing Pakistan a propaganda coup by blaming home secretary G K Pillai's frank comments on the ISI's role in the 26/11 attacks for the failed engagement was hardly a tonic for the government. Ministers and officials were aghast over what looked like Krishna's clumsy — and self-destructive — attempt to pass the buck.

The internal spat over the tentative India-Pakistan talks was indeed eye-catching , but there has been a series of bushfires since UPA 2 took office. It is now leading to a growing perception that the government is at war with itself. Ministers disagreeing with one another, unending policy jams and innumerable cabinet committees are the order of the day. Environment minister Jairam Ramesh and roads and highway minister Kamal Nath cannot settle a dispute over a highway expansion around a tiger sanctuary. A much-needed airport in Navi Mumbai refuses to be cleared. Truth is a casualty in the bitter debate over Bt brinjal. And agriculture minister Sharad Pawar and the Congress are locked in a no-win battle on price rise.

something we all have been saying on BRF since many moons

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 31 Jul 2010 18:46

This is also less reported news heard it first on BBC seems Indian media did not play it much

PM blames Qureshi for India-Pak talks breakdown

NEW DELHI: Breaking his silence on the recent talks between India and Pakistan, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday blamed Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi for mishandling the press conference and hoped that the two countries will be able to restore dialogue sooner than later.

looks like Cameron ji's mardangi has rubbed on our beloved mantri ji.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 31 Jul 2010 18:57

http://dailymailnews.com/0710/28/FrontP ... tPage1.htm

This stuff reminds me of an ad. here in the states many many years ago,

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste... Donate to the united ______ fund."

RAW handpicks Rahat Fateh Ali for fresh anti-Pakistan project
— Rahat sells off Pak kids to RAW like camel jockeys under the grab of music show Chhote Ustaad
— Project initiated to evaporate Pakistani culture, identity
— RAW plans to keep the project for next ten years to eliminate 2-nation theory completely from the minds of Pak Kidz

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 31 Jul 2010 19:15

Sorry if posted already and all that...

Pakbraian double game cuts both ways....

At least we have something in common with America,” the logistics officer says. “The Pakistanis are playing a double game with us, too

...this will ensure no Pakbarian army/ISI officer can retire in peace to enjoy their loot...

The insurgents refer contemptuously to the ISI as “blacklegs,” for their supposedly darker skin

...oh my god...where is the H&D of the TFTA?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 31 Jul 2010 19:18

The insurgents refer contemptuously to the ISI as “blacklegs,” for their supposedly darker skin

ouch!!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 31 Jul 2010 19:22

SSridhar wrote:Zardari 'mulls' cancellation of UK visit
A senior Pakistani official told newspaper: "It is a clear swipe at Pakistani security agencies, which have lost thousands of soldiers and officers in fighting terrorism," adding that the decision to cancel the ISI trip was taken by the "top military leadership". {Thus, it is not a political decision. Again, the Army leadership is an independent power centre.}

Nowadays most banking transactions can be done online...

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 31 Jul 2010 19:23

Posting in full,
http://www.virsanghvi.com/CounterPoint- ... spx?ID=523

Pakistan has been lying about the role of the ISI in fomenting terror in the region (NEW)

Posted By: Vir Sanghvi | Posted On: 31 Jul 2010 05:11 PM

There is an increasing disconnect between the government of India’s attitude to Pakistan and the view of most educated Indians. The disconnect has been most apparent in the recriminations that have followed the failure of the Indo-Pak foreign minister’s summit. And each day brings new evidence – such as the Wikileaks documents – that seems to undermine the government’s approach.

To be fair, the official Indian approach sounds reasonable. The government says that India cannot hope to be one of the great powers of the 21st century if it continues to engage in pointless hostility with a small neighbour. It is, therefore, important to improve relations with Pakistan. Obviously, this will not happen overnight. But it is vital to continue with a process of engagement that results in confidence-building measures, in such symbolic gestures as the release of fishermen and in tiny incremental steps that improve the overall atmosphere. When both sides narrow what Manmohan Singh calls the ‘trust deficit’, then perhaps some real progress will be possible.

Educated Indians take a different view. They argue that there is only one compelling reason to talk to Pakistan: to put an end to cross-border terrorism. If Pakistan is serious about improving relations with India, then there is only one confidence-building measure that matters: a crackdown on those who murder and maim innocent Indian civilians.

What’s worse, say many Indians, is that the Pakistan government is not only unwilling to stop terrorists from coming across the border but that elements within the regime are actually master-minding the terrorist operations. It makes no sense to talk of people-to-people contacts and cultural exchanges when Pakistani interests are already waging a proxy war against India. Any talks that do not result in an end to terror are worthless.

This position is the exact opposite of the government’s. For instance, the foreign ministry now suggests that the collapse of the last round of talks had something to do with the home secretary’s statement that the 26/11 Bombay attacks were – at least, according to David Headley – an ISI operation. The foreign ministry says that the home secretary’s assertion was ‘hundred per cent correct’ but that he should not have said anything about Pakistani-inspired terrorism on the eve of the talks.

That view demonstrates the distance between the two positions. The Indian public will only support the talks if we tackle the issue of terrorism head-on. The government of India, on the other hand, believes that we should not even mention terrorism for fear of upsetting the Pakistanis and damaging the dialogue process.

The government’s position would have more credibility if the foreign ministry could offer us any assurances that an incremental approach to improving relations will lead to a reduction in terror. In fact, the government is in no position to offer any such assurances. There have been so many confidence-building measures over the last two decades that by now both sides should be brimming with confidence. But the terrorism continues to get worse.

The response of the Pakistanis to India’s overtures this time around also suggests that Islamabad has no real interest in tackling the terror problem. The Pakistan foreign minister spoke insultingly about his Indian counterpart and – most revealingly – compared the Indian home secretary to Hafiz Sayeed. When a politician can no longer tell the difference between a bureaucrat and a terrorist, you know that his country is in serious trouble.

"It is not necessary to be a Hindu communalist or a Pakistan hater to recognise that India is wasting its time. The government needs to listen to the views of its own people."
But even if we were to accept that the Pakistanis are serious about improving relations, there are practical problems. First of all, the official position of the government of Pakistan is that it is also a victim of terror and is, therefore, unable to stamp out the terrorist threat to India, largely because it lacks the ability to do so. Secondly, it is not clear that the civilian government – the people we speak to – counts for very much. Real power appears to reside with the army whose chief was given an extension shortly after the summit collapsed. Thirdly, there is evidence to suggest that many of the terror groups are led and financed by retired Generals who pursue their own private foreign policies. They do not consider themselves bound by their foreign minister’s commitments.

And fourthly, there is the most obvious problem: the Pakistanis have a history of lying about their support to terrorist groups within the region.

Last week, a huge cache of 90,000 records of incidents and intelligence reports from the Afghan conflict was leaked to the Internet site, Wikileaks. While this is raw intelligence that has not been fully processed, some revelations are worrying. The documents suggest that Pakistan has been secretly supporting the Taliban and sheltering such leaders as Osama Bin Laden while simultaneously lying to the Americans about its activities. These intelligence reports also indicate that the ISI has been using the Haqqani network to launch terror attacks on Indians in Afghanistan. One such attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul resulted in the death of 54 people, including our defence attaché.

Moreover, the documents record the movements of such figures as General Hamid Gul, an India-hating former head of ISI, who appears to be pursuing his own agenda while liaising with terrorist groups.

The consensus in the US is that while every bit of intelligence in the raw files cannot be treated as gospel truth, the sheer mass of evidence that Pakistan is financing and arming terrorists to attack Indians (and Americans, for that matter) is too strong to be dismissed.

These revelations will confirm the worst fears of most Indians. Every doubt we had is justified: the military does call the shots; retired Generals pursue their own agendas with private armies and Pakistan has been lying to both India and America about the role of the ISI in fomenting terror in the region.

In the light of all this, the government’s approach makes less and less sense. Why bother with a polite step-by-step engagement with Pakistan when the situation is so grave? Pakistan is busy sending terrorists to kill Indians while cheerfully lying to the world about the activities of the ISI and its army?

It is not necessary to be a Hindu communalist or a Pakistan hater to recognise that India is wasting its time. The government needs to listen to the views of its own people. We do not want war. We do not believe in needless hostility.

But equally, we simply do not see the point of this pointless charade. Peace with Pakistan is a laudable aim. But one country cannot make peace by itself. And as long as the other continues to kill our people, all attempts at a high-level dialogue come across less as peaceful initiatives and more as signs of weakness.

If not outright stupidity.

James B · Post by **James B** » 31 Jul 2010 19:29

Altair wrote:Posting in full,
http://www.virsanghvi.com/CounterPoint- ... spx?ID=523
Pakistan has been lying about the role of the ISI in fomenting terror in the region (NEW)

That view demonstrates the distance between the two positions. The Indian public will only support the talks if we tackle the issue of terrorism head-on. The government of India, on the other hand, believes that we should not even mention terrorism for fear of upsetting the Pakistanis and damaging the dialogue process.

The question need to be asked is " who gains more from these peace talks?". If one has to go by Najam Sethi's assertion it is Pakistan that stands to gain the most. So Pakis should first address the issue of terrorism if it really wants to go ahead with peace talks. This is not gonna happen, so peace talks are also not going to happen.

For Najam Sethi's assertions see this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrUA9xHVbzc

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 31 Jul 2010 19:31

A good one from VS article...

There have been so many confidence-building measures over the last two decades that by now both sides should be brimming with confidence

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 31 Jul 2010 20:17

Ajit Ninan used to make the cartoons for a magazine called "Target" back in the 80s and 90s. He is one of the best cartoonists in India right now, and works for the ToI

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Jul 2010 21:36

abhishek_sharma wrote:The wait for a messiah
Irfan Husain

So what happened to derail this success story? The short answer is 1965. This brief, pointless war, needlessly provoked by Pakistan, destabilised Ayub Khan’s government, and set in motion a chain of events that had far-reaching consequences that haunt us still. Without getting into the causes leading up to this military disaster, I do see it as a hinge moment in our history.

KS garu in one of his columns wrote that while browsing in a London used book sore he picked up a American book on crisis game theory which had the exact Pak moves in 1965 gamed with participation of Pak officers in a US military academy and was appalled at the perfidy.

Could be the 1965 war was supposed to trigger some other events and India as usual stymied them by not responding per the game scenario.
1965 war was accompanied by Indonesia claiming the Indian Ocean name.
KSA and Gulf changing their money from Indian rupee to Dollar.
Two years later OIC was created...

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 31 Jul 2010 22:18

Nazir Naji wrote his colunm in daily Jang about Plane Crash incident.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2010-dai ... 0/col2.htm

1. It was an attempted act of terrorism aimed to target some high value venue within the presidential enclave of Islamabad.
2. There was a bunch of people found chanting slogans of Allah o Akbar close to the wreckage of ill fated jetliner seen by the people who first arrived at the site

http://www.dailywaqt.com/300710/Images/p7-10.jpg

3. He suspects a Rashid Minhas in the cockpit and IMO he refers to the retired Srdn Leader on the right seat.

4. Due to appearance of late Captain Chaudhary (long beard) and some of the reporting about his personality characteristics

he suspects him to be an extremist.

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Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 31 Jul 2010 22:50

ramana wrote: KS garu in one of his columns wrote that while browsing in a London used book sore he picked up a American book on crisis game theory which had the exact Pak moves in 1965 gamed with participation of Pak officers in a US military academy and was appalled at the perfidy.

Could be the 1965 war was supposed to trigger some other events and India as usual stymied them by not responding per the game scenario.
1965 war was accompanied by Indonesia claiming the Indian Ocean name.
KSA and Gulf changing their money from Indian rupee to Dollar.
Two years later OIC was created...

Ramana saar can you please add more details. This is unheard of and sounds really interesting chain of events

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 31 Jul 2010 22:53

Vir Sanghvi makes good points, except that I would add that India's best bet is ignrore the TSP scum no matter what US says, and fortify its defenses. Allowing the kind of Mumbai humiliation and then begging for justice thereafter will only embolden TSP to pursue this strategy. India wins, and wins big, if it can ignore TSP and thwart its terrorist machinations. Plus, there is no way India should back off in Afganisthan.