Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Aug 2010 13:28

There is a saying in Urdu which translated in English says that he cut the tree which provided shade to him, which is what Cameron has effectively done. Britain has pre empted so many terror attacks on its soil with ISI's help.

Did the moron just threaten the queendom.

A large majority of Pakistanis believe that the internal terrorism in their country is being stoked by US and co as well as India again to pressurize Pakistan to do more in this war on terror. After all its simple logic that an extremist Muslim group will not attack mosques,Shrines and Islamic universities

more kanspericy.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Aug 2010 13:59

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

Government of Iran owned media outlet, Press TV, flays the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for its terrorist fomenting ways in an op-ed titled “Pakistan's double dealing”.

In what must be a pretty rare case for Iran, extensive use is made of sources within the “Great Satan” to highlight the duplicity of Pakistan.

The Op-Ed concludes by saying:

Islamabad's double dealing has paid richly up to now; but the future may prove to be something else, entirely. Pakistan's duplicity is now public knowledge and US congressional elections are fast approaching. Most ordinary people prefer straightforward allies to double-dealers and choose honor over expediency.

Read it all:

Pakistan's double dealing

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Aug 2010 14:11

I won't apologise for Pakistan terror remark: UK PM David Cameron

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 247368.cms

On Sunday, a British Labour MP said the comment were "inflaming" opinion among British Muslims.

"A lot of people of Pakistan origin are hugely inflamed by this. They feel their country of origin has been criticised for no reason other than point scoring. He (Cameron) is just trying to curry favour with the Indians," Labour MP Khalid Mahmood was quoted as saying.

Pakistan's Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira told reporters that President Asif Ali Zardari would present Cameron with "the facts on the ground" during their Friday meeting.

"The president of Pakistan will explain and have a dialogue and good discussion and he will explain the facts to the new Government over here. We hope that the new leadership over here, when they get the exact picture, will agree with us."

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Aug 2010 14:23

^^^ the flasher is embarrassed on seeing pictures taken by neighbours of him indecently exposing himself to passing women...

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Aug 2010 14:28

arun wrote:X
Government of Iran owned media outlet, Press TV, flays the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for its terrorist fomenting ways in an op-ed titled “Pakistan's double dealing”.

In what must be a pretty rare case for Iran, extensive use is made of sources within the “Great Satan” to highlight the duplicity of Pakistan.

Because it brings bad name to Islam and Ummah

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 02 Aug 2010 14:59

Blast reported in Kohat

KOHAT: A powerful explosion has been heard in near Gandiali Dam in Kohat, Geo News reported Monday

link
The report seems to have been posted at 11:35 a.m. PST. However, there is no mention of this in Dawn's on-line edition in the Latest News section. The latest report there (on some other topic) has been posted at 02:17 p.m. PST. So, I do not know if the explosion was merely a gas cylinder going off.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2010 15:36

abhishek_sharma wrote:I won't apologise for Pakistan terror remark: UK PM David Cameron

Pakistan's Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira told reporters that President Asif Ali Zardari would present Cameron with "the facts on the ground" during their Friday meeting.

"The president of Pakistan will explain and have a dialogue and good discussion and he will explain the facts to the new Government over here. We hope that the new leadership over here, when they get the exact picture, will agree with us."

Now, that's smart. How else does one explain to the Pakistani Abdul that Zardari has to go to London to beg without saying it in so many words and while maintaining H&D ? Cameron, by not offering apologies, has just added to the discomfiture of Zardari. Fresh excuses need to be offered to the Abduls, perhaps ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2010 15:39

abhishek_sharma wrote:I won't apologise for Pakistan terror remark: UK PM David Cameron

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 247368.cms

I consider this worth quoting:

A government source said Cameron would not apologise for his outspoken remarks and added: "No, he said it and he meant it."

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Aug 2010 15:43

Latest news,Pakis summon British HC for a dressing down! Will this scupper Zardari's visit? Thisa seems to be a Paki trick to try and get the "Zardar's" visit cancelled/postponed because the British PM has refused to withdraw his statements accusing Pak of exporting terror globally.

Cameron terrorism row: High Commissioner in Pakistan summoned to meeting

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eting.html

Excerpts:

The British High Commissioner has been summoned to meet Pakistan's foreign minister as the effects of David Cameron's remarks on terrorism continue to be felt.

By Andrew Porter, Political Editor, and Andy Bloxham
Published: 10:09AM BST 02 Aug 2010

An effigy of Prime Minister David Cameron burns on the streets of Karachi Photo: AFP/GETTY IMAGES

Adam Thomson will meet Shah Mehmood Qureshi after David Cameron said he would not apologise for his comments about Pakistan exporting terrorism when he meets the country’s president for talks this week.

Relations between London and Islamabad soured last week when Mr Cameron said Pakistan could not be permitted to "look both ways" in promoting the export of terror while publicly working for stability in the region.

Pakistan Army 'encouraging Cameron protests'
Pakistan agency cancels visit after Cameron speech

His comments were made in India, which added to the negative reaction across the border.

President Asif Ali Zardari has been facing pressure to cancel the talks with Mr Cameron at Chequers, which he has so far resisted.

Last Wednesday, while In Bangalore, Mr Cameron said: "We cannot tolerate in any sense the idea that this country [Pakistan] is allowed to look both ways and is able, in any way, to promote the export of terror."

He made the comments after the leak of more than 90,000 secret US files which detailed alleged links between Pakistan's intelligence services and Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan, which has long been a source of concern in the West.

.... the New York Times said some 92,000 classified documents released by the WikiLeaks website showed Pakistani agents and Taliban met "in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders."

When asked on BBC radio whether the row would be put to rest when Zardari visits Britain, Pakistan's Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said "hopefully" and that he would talk to Britain's Prime Minister directly on the matter.

Pakistan as a country felt "hurt" over Mr Cameron's comments, he said.

Newspapers in Pakistan have lashed out against Cameron, but comment was muted by twin tragedies of Pakistan's worst aviation disaster that killed 152 people on Wednesday and floods that have killed 1,200.

The English-language newspaper The Nation called on Zardari to cancel his visit to Britain, saying "mere words will not suffice as the British have simply gone too far and at the very least some symbolic action is required".

President Zardari is scheduled to hold a summit with Mr Cameron at Chequers, the prime minister's country retreat, on Friday during a three-day visit to Britain.

Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) pulled out of a visit to discuss counter-terrorism co-operation with British security services.

PS:Quite a dreadful time for the Pakis! Perhaps the worst time for it since the loss of its eastern half and the assassinations of Zia and Bibi.

1.Wikileaks expose Pak's duplicity.
2.British PM David Cameron condemns Pak's terror policies.
3.Worst Paki plane crash.
4.Floods toll 1500+.
5.Worst water and electricity crisis for decades.
6.Indo-Pak talks end in disaster.
7.Worst of all,the Pakis get thrashed by England in the cricket Test,shot out for just 80 runs in their second innings,their second worst Test score ever!

There is one further unmitigated disaster waiting in the wings to happen very shortly for Pak,when Pres.Zardari launches officially the political career of son Bilawal Bhutto Zardari!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Aug 2010 16:00

its a chankian trick to force ukpaki sleeper cells into active mode to "plan something" in revenge for this, so that moles can vector MI5 hit teams onto the sleepers.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Aug 2010 16:06

officially zardari represents one of the ways in which pakistan looks...thereby implying that its the fauj who are looking the other (wrong) way...

concerted effort to put isi/pa on backfoot? let us see who in the establishment is displaying the most takleef!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 02 Aug 2010 17:00

Irfan Hussein's latest views on the Paki/ISI Taliban links.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... olumnists/

Excerpts:

For Pakistani military planners, fixated as they are by the perceived Indian threat, the worst-case scenario is an alliance between their traditional foe and Afghanistan. To prevent this encirclement, they need a powerful player in place. Who better than the Taliban, the force nurtured by the ISI since its inception in the mid-1990s?

Many people, myself included, have questioned and criticised this double game as immoral and dangerous. But morality does not figure when spooks and soldiers invoke national security to justify the most hazardous policies. It is widely believed that our security establishment has been following this path ever since Musharraf executed his famous U-turn on Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11, and officially disowned the Taliban.

Americans and Brits are understandably upset at a supposed ally acting in this devious manner. In Pakistan’s defence, government spokesmen in Islamabad and our diplomats ask critics if it makes sense for the ISI to be helping the very terrorists who are killing our soldiers and citizens. The widespread belief in the West is that that the ISI is probably playing footsies with Mullah Omar’s Taliban and Jalaluddin Haqqani’s outfit as these are the major groups operating in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the army is trying to stamp out home-grown terror groups that target Pakistanis.

I have long maintained that it is not possible to draw any meaningful distinction between these groups. They merge and mutate with bewildering frequency, but share a common ideology. Nevertheless, our intelligence agencies continue making common cause with primarily Afghan groups.

In the vortex that is Afghanistan today, there are no easy answers or quick fixes. In a sense, it was always a restless hotbed of competing tribes, ethnicities and criminal enterprises. The king mediated between these power centres, but after the 1973 coup and the 1979 Soviet invasion, the glue holding the fragile state together has slowly dissolved.

Unlike Iraq, there are virtually no institutions to rebuild. The stark reality is that whether the world likes it or not — and I certainly don’t — the Taliban are the only viable force that can keep the country together. Had Al Qaeda not launched its attacks on America nearly nine years ago, I have little doubt the Taliban would still have been in power in Kabul, busily dragging their benighted country back to the seventh century. And nobody in Washington or London would have really cared.

The alternative to the Taliban is for western forces to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely, something the voters back home understandably have no stomach for. The third and best option is for regional states to keep a stabilising force in the country. However, given the bitter rivalry between India and Pakistan, this is clearly a non-starter.

So with the kind of end-game that is beginning to play itself out, there are few strategic choices for Pakistan to pick from. I am sure even our generals would not willingly wish to cosy up to Mullah Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani, but in our tough neighbourhood, they see themselves being pushed into the Taliban corner.

In an imperfect world, there are no perfect solutions. But speaking personally, I recoil from the notion of having any truck with the Taliban.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2010 17:07

Islamist leaders in Bangladesh jailed for 1971 War Crimes
Why is it here ?

Media reports based on evidence gathered by freedom fighters' organisations say the four leaders led Al Badr, one of the Islamist militia that targeted pro-freedom elements and religious minorities, at the behest of the then East Pakistan authorities.

We know Al-Badr was employed by the Pakistani Army to carry out genocide.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 02 Aug 2010 17:38

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 248103.cms

TORONTO: Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, whose forces sponsor a large-scale guerrilla war through Afghan proxies to keep New Delhi out of Afghanistan, wants Indian consulates in the war-torn country to be closed, says a Canadian diplomat and former deputy head of the UN mission in Kabul.

Chris Alexander, who was Canada's ambassador in Kabul from 2003 to 2005 and later deputy of the UN mission until 2009, said General Kayani is calling the shots on Afghanistan and prepared to support suicide attacks in Afghanistan's cities.

The Pakistani general has even told President Hamid Karzai that he can broker a peace deal with the Taliban - only if Indian consulates in Afghanistan are closed.

Writing in the Globe and Mail under the title 'The huge scale of Pakistan's complicity', Alexander said: "The Pakistan army under General Kayani is sponsoring a large-scale, covert guerrilla war through Afghan proxies - whose strongholds in Balochistan and Waziristan are flourishing. Their mission in Afghanistan is to keep Pashtun nationalism down, India out and Mr. Karzai weak."
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"The principal drivers of violence are no longer, if they ever were, inside Afghanistan... ISI is the main driver of the conflict... General Kayani and others will deny complicity. But as the WikiLeaks material demonstrates, their heavy-handed involvement is now obvious at all levels," the Canadian diplomat said.

Because of this policy, he said "reconciliation has failed to get off the ground: the Pakistan-based Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan - the official name for the Taliban and its allies - clearly prefer to fight".

Without Pakistani military support, "the Islamic Emirate's combat units would collapse like a house of cards. Peace and reconciliation would prosper", he said.
...

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Aug 2010 18:03

Cameron's statement in Bangalore made UQ earn contracts worth $1B and more in trades. Now Ombaba is eyeing $10B MRCA, Nooke deal, Trade concessions and much more so what kind of statement can we be expecting from him? How much takleef will this cause pakis? Zardari should get smart and avoid a US trip in November or December this year. Does any one know if Ombaba is clubbing pak stoppage in his India tour itenary?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Aug 2010 18:28

US hints at operation in Pakistan

WASHINGTON: During an interview with the ABC channel on Monday, US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates hinted at carrying out an operation in Pakistan along with Afghanistan in order to root out the Haqqani network, reports said.

Gates said the United States was strengthening its military capabilities in eastern Afghanistan, which, he said was the centre of the Haqqani network.

"Cooperation with Pakistan is being promoted in order to ensure safety on the Pak-Afghan border," Gates said.

While discussion the possibility of taking action against the Haqqani network, Gates hinted that the United States might carry out an operation for that reason in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Aug 2010 18:30

Brad Goodman wrote:Cameron's statement in Bangalore made UQ earn contracts worth $1B and more in trades.

Brad, I do not want to subscribe to that line of thinking because in the past, the British leaders have made equally strong, if not stronger, statements. Gordon Brown made the following statement in Islamabad in Dec. 2008, standing next to Gilani

“Three quarters of the most serious plots investigated by the British authorities have links to al-Qaeda in Pakistan. The time has come for action, not words.”

A few months later, addressing his troops in Afghanistan, he again said

“There is a line of terror, a chain of terror that goes from Pakistan and the border areas of Afghanistan right back to the streets of all our countries”

A few months later, the British Foreign Office Minister for Asia, Lord Malloch-Brown, said

“The main terrorist threat comes from Pakistan and Somalia – not Afghanistan.”

A few months later, in Nov. 2009, Gordon Brown again said

“Al-Qaeda has a base in Pakistan. That base is still there -- they are able to recruit from abroad. The Pakistan authorities must convince us that they are taking all the action that is necessary to deal with that threat.”

David Cameron's statement is in line with all the above. The Pakistani media is making it look like that he said these words in return for the Hawks deal as though what he said was otherwise so untrue. What we don't want is that we are satisfied with mere words for a Billion dollars because that would be a poor bargain.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Aug 2010 18:50

JUST IN: Karachi: MQM MPA Raza Haider shot dead in Nazimabad Area.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Aug 2010 18:54

shravan wrote:JUST IN: Karachi: MQM MPA Raza Haider shot dead in Nazimabad Area.

Rakkit mards will be out in full force for a couple of days now.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Aug 2010 20:15

With so many killings going on, funerals and related events are turning out to be perfect hunting ground for further killings...

MQM leaders Babar Ghauri and Haider Abbas Rizvi expressed profound grief on the tragic incident. “It would be difficult to put a cap on the chapter opened (today),” Babar Ghauri asserted.

a new chapter being opened in a big thick book...should turn out to be interesting read..

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Aug 2010 20:22

The laws of Karma catch with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The years of fomenting Islamic Terrorism in India and elsewhere in the world by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is back to haunt them.

The Islamic Republic’s Interior Ministry is reporting that over the past three years there have been 215 demonstrations of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan that has claimed 3433 lives.

3,433 killed in 215 suicide hits since Lal Masjid operation

Monday, August 02, 2010

By Amir Mir ……………….

Figures compiled by the Federal Ministry of Interior show that a total of 3,433 Pakistanis have been killed in 215 incidents of suicide attacks across Pakistan during the last three years since the Lal Masjid action [between July 2007 and July 2010]. …………………………

A total of 847 Pakistanis were killed in 50 suicide attacks in the 12 months of the year 2007. On average, 17 people were killed and four attacks took place every month in 2007. In the next year - 2008 - 965 people lost their lives in 66 incidents of suicide bombings across Pakistan. On average, 14 people lost their lives and five such incidents took place every month in 2008.

A record number of 1,217 Pakistanis were killed by human bombs in 80 suicide attacks carried out during 2009. On average, 15 Pakistanis lost their lives in six suicide attacks every month in 2009. As far as the casualty figures for the year 2010 are concerned, a total of 801 Pakistanis have already lost their lives in 35 suicide hits carried out by Taliban-led militants between January 1 and July 31 ………………..

The News

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 02 Aug 2010 20:32

SSridhar wrote:The Pakistani media is making it look like that he said these words in return for the Hawks deal as though what he said was otherwise so untrue. What we don't want is that we are satisfied with mere words for a Billion dollars because that would be a poor bargain.

Personally I don't think Cameron's words went far enough. If he really wanted to he could have used the opportunity to side completely with India and declare Kashmir as an integral part of India. That would have done it. For me the British view is summarised when Vince Cable was asked about Kashmir:

That is a dispute within the sub-continent that we are not expressing a view on.

Why not? Is it because your view will upset your hosts? If so what kind of special relationship is this? I think the Papistani media is right in that what was said was purely to sweeten trade ties as opposed to a change in UK policy to the region. It is not possible to get along with both countries and have a special relationship with only one. It's one or the other.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 02 Aug 2010 20:40

The words of UK PM are just words. You need to see action. Will they shut down fund-raising for LET in UK?
Right now it is all platitudes to stoke Indian ego.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 02 Aug 2010 20:56

The anglo's have learnt the art of dealing with the argumentative Indian with big ego. Massage it here and there, offer some sound bites, treat them to good dinner and you can do anything, does not matter...though not exactly a anglo, Ombaba too excels in this game.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 02 Aug 2010 21:15

Pratyush wrote:
There is a saying in Urdu which translated in English says that he cut the tree which provided shade to him, which is what Cameron has effectively done. Britain has pre empted so many terror attacks on its soil with ISI's help.

It isn't "We need more baksheesh" or "We need just remuneration for our losses in the war against terror" anymore. It is a plain simple, "We give and You take" attitude. The deeper they're in $hit the cockier they get. How delusional can they get, especially when they need all those billions in aid.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Aug 2010 21:18

Pakistan has as much fissile material as India

No. Ayatollahs Kristenson and Norris are wrong. Pakistan has 400% more fissile material than India.
India is peace loving. The two tons of Plutonium in each Indian fast breeder are for peaceful purposes only.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Aug 2010 21:25

Gerard wrote:
Pakistan has as much fissile material as India
No. Ayatollahs Kristenson and Norris are wrong. Pakistan has 400% more fissile material than India.
India is peace loving. The two tons of Plutonium in each Indian fast breeder are for peaceful purposes only.

I have it from reliable sources that India has less than 30 warheads, and fissile material for 20 more. Let nobody have any doubts in this regard. Pakistan is way ahead.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Aug 2010 21:41

Shut Indian missions in Afghanistan: Pakistan Army chief

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Aug 2010 21:43

The huge scale of Pakistan's complicity

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Aug 2010 21:58

^^^ now canada wants to issue its own visa to pakistan!
something is afoot

munna · Post by **munna** » 02 Aug 2010 22:04

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ now canada wants to issue its own visa to pakistan!
something is afoot

Kali Vasiyat plan of creating a loose federation of Af and pa(c)king up the unitary structure of Pak?? Create managed chaos wherby tiny emirates with their own emirs indulge in internecine struggle leaving west and east at peace!

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 02 Aug 2010 22:23

I think if 10 percenti goes to Londonistan...................he will have to stay there for few years.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Aug 2010 22:24

i'm hearing increasing noises of splitting the pashtun and punjabi wings of paquistan... ofcourse for this to work, much of the pashtun officer class of TSPA would probably have to have an early embracing of their 72...

munna · Post by **munna** » 02 Aug 2010 22:34

Lalmohan wrote:i'm hearing increasing noises of splitting the pashtun and punjabi wings of paquistan... ofcourse for this to work, much of the pashtun officer class of TSPA would probably have to have an early embracing of their 72...

It (pashtun cadre) can serve as the nuclei of new emirate. May a hundred crore kamandus bloom

!!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2010 22:47

munna wrote: It (pashtun cadre) can serve as the nuclei of new emirate. May a hundred crore kamandus bloom !!

munna ji, How many emirates are you expecting? Ralph Peters wants only seven. I know it is more the merrier.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Aug 2010 22:55

Violence erupts in Karachi; 9 killed

At least nine people were killed and several others wounded in separate incidents of violence in Karachi on Monday.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Aug 2010 23:22

Sire, this is ultra sophisticated BRF. It is news when people are not killed in Karachi.

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 02 Aug 2010 23:28

First to split will be Mohajiristan aka Karachistan.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 02 Aug 2010 23:42

munna wrote: It (pashtun cadre) can serve as the nuclei of new emirate. May a hundred crore kamandus bloom !!

I don't think it will be anything to celebrate about, I cannot imagine the hypothetical new emirate will be any friend to India. I think they will probably end up normalizing relations with Pak in the end.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 02 Aug 2010 23:44

Singha wrote:its a chankian trick to force ukpaki sleeper cells into active mode to "plan something" in revenge for this, so that moles can vector MI5 hit teams onto the sleepers.

There is good chance that a high level attack will happen perhaps assasination either in AFG or Europe that will be linked directly to EyeAsEye.
That will be considered an attack on NATO and start the unraveling of TSP.

When the death of a Moth is near, its attracted to Fire.