People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 01 Aug 2010 07:47

India Digs Under Top of the World to Match Rival

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/world ... 1pass.html

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 01 Aug 2010 10:02

abhishek_sharma wrote:India Digs Under Top of the World to Match Rival

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/world ... 1pass.html

This is a quote from the article,

“The Indian side has been very slow to develop the border areas,” Ms. Rajagopalan said. “They believed if you improved the infrastructure it would only allow the Chinese to walk into your territory. This was very foolish and naïve.”

We have not been slow. We have been reactive. We waited for China to build its railway to lahsa, before embarking on our railway line to ladakh and twang. We waited for China to build airstrips in tibet plateau, before embarking on our own airstrip building spree in arunachal. And dont forget this tunnel, will not make the manali-ladakh road navigable round the year. We will need to build a few more tunnels to have a truly all weather road link to ladakh.

Also if this infrastructure would only allow the chinese to walk into your territory, then it speaks volumes about our state of preparedness or our belief in our preparedness. This is something similar to what the soviets/russians believed in. The result was two wars, Napoleon and the nazi wars which allowed the intruders to reach, right upto moscow. One most important fact of world war II, not known, is that the nazi army managed to reach the suburbs of moscow in the winter of 1941. It was driven back in december 1941. Are we going to allow the chinks right upto delhi or calcutta before driving them back ?

We should have been building our defences in advance. We should be building our infrastructure in such a way that we are able to mount sustainable offensive operations from ladakh and sikkim/arunachal. Lahsa is only some 500 Kms, as the crow flies, from arunachal and sikkim.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 01 Aug 2010 10:14

Rony wrote:There are some naive people who think that if democracy comes to china or CCP gets toppled, China will see reason and India and China relations will improve.That is only wishful thinking. The chinese people wholly supports the oppression which their govt indulges in whether in Tibet, Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia.

Precisely, China will have the same strategic interests regardless of who's the ruler, the only difference may be the ideologies it decides to support.

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 01 Aug 2010 10:26

naren wrote:Plesenting Chailman Mao's Paladise in technicorol (3 Parts)

I felt very sad after watching this. 14 year old blaming his past karma for his situation, something's really wrong there.

Our resident propagandists talking about how "happy" the Chinese are, well, what can you say. I know one thing for sure. I wouldn't feel sorry in future when the govt types get shot in public (as shown in the movie "To Live").

Naren, from the vidoe I think the rural chinese are pretty well feed and well clothed. The living condition is very good too.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 01 Aug 2010 11:54

^^^^
Ah, apologist dlone strikes back. Well fed on what? Recycled oil, plastic eggs & melamine tainted milk?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 03 Aug 2010 03:38

More and More Cameras Watch Over the Chinese Police State

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 Aug 2010 11:51

Taiwan torn between two powers

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_ ... &Type=aOPN

The piece analyses China's latest gambit,to dismantle missiles aimed at taiwan for the price of "One China",the PRC fundamantal which both govt. and opposition parties in Taiwan reject totally.China's chicanery is best understood by this excerpt:

Internationally, China is also feeling pressure as result of recent developments. With the end of the honeymoon period between U.S. President Barack Obama and China, the differences between the two sides have become even more obvious. The reports of China's growing influence have caused worry and fear among Southeast Asian countries, and they hope the U.S. will remain as a counterbalancing force in the region.

On the other hand, China is anxious to make a breakthrough in the island chain in the West Pacific. Beijing may find it easier to ally with Taiwan than with Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines or India against the U.S. With Taiwan neutralized, China would stand a better chance of breaking the blockade.

If it achieves unification with Taiwan, China would reap even bigger strategic rewards. Forcing Taiwan to accept the one-China principle is a means of getting Taiwan to take China's side. (editorial abstract, Aug. 2, 2010) (by Lillian Lin)

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 04 Aug 2010 03:23

The end of Hu Jintao's tenure as Chinese President in 2012 has the potential for interesting consequences. Historically, every departing leader has felt compelled to make his legacy. Hu's predecessor Jiang Zemin had his Three Represents statement, but otherwise faced the problem of living up to Deng's accomplishments, and also the failure of the PRC to assert itself in the 1995-96 Third Taiwan Straits Crisis. Hu has been a more low-profile leader than the abrasive Jiang, but he may feel compelled to make a statement his own way.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Aug 2010 08:06

Panda-Hugger Hangover
Until fairly recently, the Chinese were earning praise for their shrewd handling of Southeast Asia. Not anymore.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... r_hangover

The real wake-up call for Southeast Asians came last year, when the Chinese submitted a map to a U.N. legal commission showing that Beijing claimed almost the entire South China Sea as its own territory, despite the fact that the body of water borders half a dozen other countries, too. China has also pressured the Vietnamese to stop offshore oil exploration and at one point detained several dozen Vietnamese fishermen accused of violating Chinese territorial waters.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 05 Aug 2010 16:10

China's banks to undergo stress test.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 62426.html

Does this mean that there are lehman and bear streans inside china?

m_nair · Post by **m_nair** » 05 Aug 2010 17:01

It is not if there are Lehman and Bears & Stern, but how many and when they are going to implode.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 05 Aug 2010 21:02

New China’s housing conundrum http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns ... 448081.ece

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 06 Aug 2010 01:16

DavidD wrote:...Economically and culturally, the China of today looks entirely unrecognizable from that of previous decades -- with new skyscrapers, shopping malls, and airports. Still, political censorship and restrictions on freedom of speech continue. "Newspeak" style journalism is far more common than independent voices. Writers are still being indicted for their words....

'newspeak' and 'doublethink'...some Chinese do live in an Orwellian world...

You can recognize, the inner part, outer party and 'proles' and the need for constant belligerence, the 'what party says truth is the truth' type brainwashed masses..

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 06 Aug 2010 03:47

China Gets What China Wants?

If Chinese espionage agents abroad were caught in the act, Beijing’s retort would claim false accusations to denigrate China. They would leave it to public memory to fade and forget about it. They stole the miniature nuclear warhead design from the USA in the 1970s. They threatened and bribed US companies in the mid-1990s to share technology related to heat shielding and multiple warheads for missiles. In the scientific world of experts, there is something called “signatures” of technologies which cannot be hidden.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 06 Aug 2010 06:58

^ I think the title is wrong. It should have been: Whatever China wants China gets.

See the reference that supports my argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g5YNPzr8NM

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On a separate note:

China has overtaken Japan to become the world's second largest economy. This is the result of three decades of rapid growth that has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. China is on course to overtake the United States and occupy the number one spot sometime around 2025, according to projections by the World Bank, Goldman Sachs and others. China came close to surpassing Japan in 2009 and the disclosure that it had now done so comes as no surprise. Yi Gang, China's chief currency regulator, mentioned this last Friday (July 30). But China's per capita income of about $3,800 a year is only a fraction of Japan's and America's. China is still a developing country.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/m ... 2010-08-06

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Aug 2010 08:06

Christopher Sidor wrote:China's banks to undergo stress test.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 62426.html

Does this mean that there are lehman and bear streans inside china?

From above -

BEIJING - CHINA'S banking regulator has ordered lenders to stress-test their loans to the real estate sector to measure the impact of a 50 per cent fall in property prices, a report said on Thursday.

Selection of "50% fall in property prices" is a very interesting insight. Why are they stress testing at that high impact?

I am sure the other parameters would include
- Currency conversion rate
- Sovereign rating
- Basel requirements and so on...

Something big is coming... what is that???

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Aug 2010 09:02

Is the Obama administration getting tough on China?

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... h_on_china

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Aug 2010 19:33

Faith Against Odds - describes the plight of the Uyghur Muslims. Surprisingly, this article is by The Hindu's resident correspondent in Beijing.
Excerpts

A ban on the use of loudspeakers means his wristwatch is his only guide [for the prayer]. The only sound comes from a nearby police-van — a recorded message urging all ethnic groups “to maintain harmony, support the Communist Party and serve the motherland.” A battalion of armed police, with guns at the ready, watch over the square.

Xinjiang, however, has had a troubled relationship with the People's Republic of China (PRC) since it came under Chinese rule in 1949. This has been a relationship of increasing tension;

The riots, Uighurs say, were the result of years of simmering tension between the two groups, exacerbated by what they see as Beijing's flawed developmental policies. The increasing migration of Hans has stirred local resentment; so have recent restrictions on local mosques. Uighur unemployment is on the rise, as is the income disparity between the two groups. The Chinese government has, however, blamed exiled separatist groups — as well as some local religious leaders — for fomenting the recent unrest. It has since launched a campaign against “the three evils” — terrorism, separatism and religious extremism. Xinjiang's mosques — and its worshippers — are now on the government's radar.

On July 6, 2009, when Urumqi was in flames, the Id Kah mosque in Kashgar was closed down by the Chinese government. The local community was enraged. Faced with the strong public backlash, the government opened the mosque the next day. Following prayers that Tuesday morning, around 200 Uighurs staged a protest in the square in front of the mosque, calling for greater autonomy and religious freedom. The protest was quickly dispersed by forewarned armed police.

The Chinese government, it is clear, views the influence that local Imams wield in the Kashgar community with considerable anxiety, if only for the reason that this is one public forum over which they cannot exercise complete control. Unlike in Ningxia, Imams chosen by local communities are often replaced in Xinjiang, locals in Kashgar and Urumqi said in interviews, if they are found deviating even a little from the official script.

In April, the local government in the town of Aksu issued a public notice, calling for all religious texts, even those used in local schools, to be submitted for government approval. It also began a monthly inspection of religious sites. “Religious teachers are strictly prohibited from using non-approved texts, and no person may conduct religious activities outside of pre-approved religious sites, or face investigation as an unapproved Imam,” read one regulation. The government has also cracked down on informal religious schools in Kashgar, where young Uighurs like Mahsum would get together to study the Quran. These gatherings are now deemed illegal.

Communist Party members — who dominate government positions — are also discouraged from being believers. Those who are found attending mosques will likely lose their jobs, says Mahsum. One advertisement for a job position in the Xinjiang government's education department openly calls for candidates “who do not believe in religion” and “do not participate in religious activities”. Students in State-run schools are routinely encouraged to follow the Party's officially atheist line, though state policy suggests otherwise. “The government thinks religious schools are stirring up trouble after what happened on July 5,” says Mahsum, referring to last year's riots. There has been little evidence to suggest religious leaders had any role in organising the protests. But what is clear is that the violence has left Xinjiang's mosques facing an uncertain future.

Outside the Id Kah {Idgah} is a conspicuously-displayed sign from the local government. It reads: “All ethnic groups live together here in a friendly manner. They cooperate to build a beautiful homeland, heartily support the unity of the country and oppose ethnic separatism and illegal religious activities.” As prayers conclude, the faithful quietly file out, walking past the sign, and out through the old mosque's gates into the square. As darkness falls on the square, the evening calm is only interrupted by the familiar drone from a nearby police-van.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Aug 2010 06:37

Chinese Seek Anti-Terror Training to Cope with Working Abroad

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Aug 2010 06:45

Surge in Chinese investment reshapes Brazil ties

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67947R20100810

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 11 Aug 2010 06:58

SSridhar wrote:Faith Against Odds - describes the plight of the Uyghur Muslims. Surprisingly, this article is by The Hindu's resident correspondent in Beijing.

Why be surprised? Indian commies sided with Islamists during the Afghan War against the Soviets, mainly because of vote bank priorities. Likewise, they'd do the same in regards to any war between ChiCom masters and Muslim rebels. There is no honour among thieves, especially those of the Indian Leftist variety.

AKalam · Post by **AKalam** » 11 Aug 2010 07:54

SSridhar wrote:Faith Against Odds - describes the plight of the Uyghur Muslims. Surprisingly, this article is by The Hindu's resident correspondent in Beijing.
Excerpts
A ban on the use of loudspeakers means his wristwatch is his only guide [for the prayer]. The only sound comes from a nearby police-van — a recorded message urging all ethnic groups “to maintain harmony, support the Communist Party and serve the motherland.” A battalion of armed police, with guns at the ready, watch over the square.
Xinjiang, however, has had a troubled relationship with the People's Republic of China (PRC) since it came under Chinese rule in 1949. This has been a relationship of increasing tension;
The riots, Uighurs say, were the result of years of simmering tension between the two groups, exacerbated by what they see as Beijing's flawed developmental policies. The increasing migration of Hans has stirred local resentment; so have recent restrictions on local mosques. Uighur unemployment is on the rise, as is the income disparity between the two groups. The Chinese government has, however, blamed exiled separatist groups — as well as some local religious leaders — for fomenting the recent unrest. It has since launched a campaign against “the three evils” — terrorism, separatism and religious extremism. Xinjiang's mosques — and its worshippers — are now on the government's radar.
On July 6, 2009, when Urumqi was in flames, the Id Kah mosque in Kashgar was closed down by the Chinese government. The local community was enraged. Faced with the strong public backlash, the government opened the mosque the next day. Following prayers that Tuesday morning, around 200 Uighurs staged a protest in the square in front of the mosque, calling for greater autonomy and religious freedom. The protest was quickly dispersed by forewarned armed police.
The Chinese government, it is clear, views the influence that local Imams wield in the Kashgar community with considerable anxiety, if only for the reason that this is one public forum over which they cannot exercise complete control. Unlike in Ningxia, Imams chosen by local communities are often replaced in Xinjiang, locals in Kashgar and Urumqi said in interviews, if they are found deviating even a little from the official script.

In April, the local government in the town of Aksu issued a public notice, calling for all religious texts, even those used in local schools, to be submitted for government approval. It also began a monthly inspection of religious sites. “Religious teachers are strictly prohibited from using non-approved texts, and no person may conduct religious activities outside of pre-approved religious sites, or face investigation as an unapproved Imam,” read one regulation. The government has also cracked down on informal religious schools in Kashgar, where young Uighurs like Mahsum would get together to study the Quran. These gatherings are now deemed illegal.

Communist Party members — who dominate government positions — are also discouraged from being believers. Those who are found attending mosques will likely lose their jobs, says Mahsum. One advertisement for a job position in the Xinjiang government's education department openly calls for candidates “who do not believe in religion” and “do not participate in religious activities”. Students in State-run schools are routinely encouraged to follow the Party's officially atheist line, though state policy suggests otherwise. “The government thinks religious schools are stirring up trouble after what happened on July 5,” says Mahsum, referring to last year's riots. There has been little evidence to suggest religious leaders had any role in organising the protests. But what is clear is that the violence has left Xinjiang's mosques facing an uncertain future.

Outside the Id Kah {Idgah} is a conspicuously-displayed sign from the local government. It reads: “All ethnic groups live together here in a friendly manner. They cooperate to build a beautiful homeland, heartily support the unity of the country and oppose ethnic separatism and illegal religious activities.” As prayers conclude, the faithful quietly file out, walking past the sign, and out through the old mosque's gates into the square. As darkness falls on the square, the evening calm is only interrupted by the familiar drone from a nearby police-van.

I have traveled from Urumqi to Altai City by car and by plane to Kashgar, from first hand experience I can tell that all of the above is more or less true. I did see that sign outside Id Kah (Eid Gah) mosque. Pan Turkist's in Turkey are in support of the Uyghurs and they have a big anti Chinese presence on the web on this issue, on youtube and many other such forums. The Uyghur Quarters of Urumqi and Kashgar did have some strangely and vaguely familiar feeling of being in old part of Dhaka, (the way the restaurants were cooking kabab's, women scurrying about in shilwar Kamiz etc.), granted that the people of course are very different.

Here is some of my favourite Uyghur songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EPJwbANKg

This one is from Buddhist period:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7OBlx1eQY

A famous folk singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFhuSvtGSk

Xinjiang, also known as Moghulistan previously, was the last stronghold of Chagatai Khan's who lost the West Central Asia to Timurids. Babur, though a Timurid, his maternal grandfather, Yunus Khan, was a Chagataid ruler.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 13 Aug 2010 08:50

Apart from the dam, China is reportedly planning to divert 200 billion cubic metres of water to feed the Yellow River in an attempt to ease the acute water shortage in Shaanxi, Hebel, Beijing and Tianjin. The 'South-to-North Water Diversion' project is currently being debated in Beijing for its technical feasibility, reports say.

http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/671060

wrdos · Post by **wrdos** » 13 Aug 2010 09:52

X-post from the Chinese Economy Thread

A train on the recently opened Nanjing~Shanghai high speed railway is overtaking another high speed train on the old existing railway.

The video was personally taken by myself in last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiJCULW6fnM

wrdos · Post by **wrdos** » 13 Aug 2010 12:44

Highspeed train passing through Changzhou station at Jiangsu Province, China

The video was personally taken by myself in last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTAMeF3tSTM

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 16 Aug 2010 06:55

SSridhar wrote:Faith Against Odds - describes the plight of the Uyghur Muslims. Surprisingly, this article is by The Hindu's resident correspondent in Beijing.

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Isn't this is how almost every Muslim country in the world treat their minority population? The Chinese government policy is intended to preserve the ethnic and cultural domination of the Han people. In the Muslim countries, similar policies are intended to preserve the dominaiton of the Islamic religion and either Arabic culture or Arabized culture (non Arab Muslim states). These states are ensuring the survival of their people for a long time into the future.

On the other hand some soceities are drunk and intoxicated with liberal and democratic values are ensuring the ethnic, cultural and religious presence of the native majority will disappear one day far in the future because predatory alien cultural elements are slowly inch by inch whittering away the native majority presence by taking full advantage of the liberal and democratic values. Some 1200 years ago there was not a single Muslim in the whole Indian subcontinent. Today if the population if Bdesh, P-Satan and India are summed up they would be about equal the number of Hindus. How long would it take before the majority of India's population becomes Muslim? 100 years? 200 years? 300 years? Yet...how many Indian's are even concerned about it? Is it because "this wont happen in my lifetime" mental frame?
Avram

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 16 Aug 2010 19:28

Agree...

... Today if the population if Bdesh, P-Satan and India are summed up they would be about equal the number of Hindus. How long would it take before the majority of India's population becomes Muslim? 100 years? 200 years? 300 years? Yet...how many Indian's are even concerned about it? Is it because "this wont happen in my lifetime" mental frame?

Do you think the people are not concerned is because they don't know how to express that concern without sounding hatred for the religion? Forget solving the problem, a clear-cut definition of problem itself is explosive and it will start a heated debate. I think the challenge is framing an issue...

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 16 Aug 2010 20:26

asprinzl wrote: How long would it take before the majority of India's population becomes Muslim? 100 years? 200 years? 300 years?
Avram

In 100 years, India will become a cent per cent , hundred percent Islamic country and the custodian of the Holy Mosques. Arabs will be beggars by then and act as servants to Indian muslims. India will rule from Saudi to Bangladesh. Every Indian will have seven arabic wives while arabs will look after our goats and camels.Just like the IT industry , we will have an Animal Husbandry industry which will be under the arabs. Looking at economic and military trends and assuming that the hindus will do taqiya en masse and convert to Islam , this scenariio is very plausible. When this happens , arabs, mongols and persians and turks will curse the day they set foot on this pious land.Their future looks very gloomy under the Islamic Kingdom of India.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 17 Aug 2010 10:26

China deploying newer missiles, building roads near India border

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 17 Aug 2010 11:03

Five Indian doctors set to retrace Dr. Kotnis' historic journey in China http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 574616.ece

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Aug 2010 15:45

Book by Chinese dissident brands Wen Jiabao a 'fraud'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... fraud.html

China's paternalist premier Wen Jiabao is a "puppet" and a "fraud" who has helped pull the wool over the eyes of the Chinese people, obscuring the failings of the ruling Communist Party, according to controversial new book published in Hong Kong this week.

Excerpt:

The attack on Mr Wen in 'China's Best Actor: Wen Jiabao' by the leading dissident writer Yu Jie has been published despite threats from China's public security apparatus last July that he could face jail for singling out such a senior leader for criticism.

Wen Jiabao is one of China's most popular political figures, affectionately known as "Grandpa Wen" for his displays of sympathy with the suffering of ordinary people during disasters such as the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan.

Mr Yu, whose work has been banned in China since 2004, argues that Mr Wen is a merely a front man for the hard-nosed Communist Party, playing the nice-guy role of in a game of 'good cop, bad cop' in tandem with the country's stony-faced president Hu Jintao.

"There is only one objective for all that Wen Jiabao has done since he took the reins, and it is to 'act'. He knows that this old car - the Chinese Communist Party - is going to fall apart," Yu writes in the book.

"He himself is not a driver with the charisma and ability to stop the car or switch path... As a result, all he can do is to be like a puppet, acting as long as he can." Mr Yu contrasts Mr Wen's public displays of sympathy with the common man with the reality of the Chinese government's policies since he came to power in 2002 which have seen a widening gap between rich and poor and heavy prison sentences for those who oppose the government.

After the Sichuan earthquake Mr Wen who was seen weeping alongside the victims, but in the months that followed local activists who tried to investigate why so many government-built school collapsed where jailed for subverting the Chinese state.

Despite the contradictions between style and substance, Mr Wen remains a popular figure in China, often garnering admiring comments on Chinese websites and discussion forum during times of national disaster.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Aug 2010 18:22

Economic powerhouse China focusses on its military might - Washington Post

China is quickly modernizing its military and has set its sights on extending its influence deep into the Pacific and Indian oceans now that the military balance with its longtime nemesis, Taiwan, is tilting in its favor, the Defense Department reported Monday.

The report listed numerous areas in which China's military is on the march. China is deploying a new class of nuclear-powered submarines equipped with intercontinental ballistic missiles. It is pouring money into space warfare systems and cyberwarfare capabilities. It is developing a "carrier killer" anti-ship ballistic missile.

China has "the most active land-based ballistic and cruise missile program in the world," the report said. Beijing "now possesses one of the largest" forces of surface-to-air missiles in the world, it added. And it has the "largest force of principal combatants, submarines, and amphibious warfare ships in Asia."

A decade ago, fewer than 10 percent of China's subs were considered "modern" by the Pentagon. Today, half are.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 18 Aug 2010 04:43

Rony wrote:Excellent point DavidD. I have arguing with my friends for years about the futility to distingiush between the Chinese people and their totalitarian govt.There are some naive people who think that if democracy comes to china or CCP gets toppled, China will see reason and India and China relations will improve.That is only wishful thinking. The chinese people wholly supports the oppression which their govt indulges in whether in Tibet, Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia. Even if CCP goes, Chinese people will still continue to show hostility towards India. Check out the "democratic" komintang pre-49 maps of China.It includes all the areas from tibet to mongolia to Arunachal.

This is very true. The reason the Chinese people are so comfortable with the current government is the fact that this is the government they always had. Further, to understand the Chinese, you need to realise that the word Chinese is the same as the word American. The Chinese is a civilisational identifier, not a racial or ethnic identifier. If you traveled through China, you will realise that the people there are very difference from each other. Northern Chinese have more in common with Koreans than with Southern Chinese. But they identify themselves as "Chinese". Just like American's chose to live like Americans. The Chinese chose to live like Chinese. And that means their interests will conflict with Indias.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Aug 2010 07:41

China Condemns US Report On Its Military

http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralN ... Id=1395458

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 18 Aug 2010 07:47

'Unease in China over emerging India'

“To improve regional deterrence, the PLA has replaced older liquid-fuelled , nuclear capable CSS-3 intermediate-range ballistic missiles with more advanced and survivable solid-fuelled CSS-5 MRBMs and may be developing contingency plans to move airborne troops into the region,” the report said.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2010 11:43

New Tang Dynasty Television

ABOUT NTDTV
New Tang Dynasty Television (NTDTV) is an independent, nonprofit television broadcaster established in 2002. Headquartered in New York City, NTDTV currently has reporters and correspondents in over 70 cities worldwide.
NTDTV is composed of a network of staff and volunteers from diverse backgrounds who are knowledgeable about both Asian and Western societies. The station is committed to bringing viewers programs of the highest quality—programs that not only entertain, but also meaningfully impact people's lives and the world around us.
Beyond its television programming, NTDTV has distinguished itself for its leading role in the promotion of China's traditional arts and culture. Every year the station organizes and sponsors a range of performances, competitions, and outreach programs.
NTDTV is a publicly supported 501C(3) organization. Its funding comes from individual donations, corporate sponsorships, program service fees, and program sales.

Check this report on India republic day parade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI_FF4FXUOs

Talks more about the rebels

It is psy ops channel of PRC

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Aug 2010 13:33

Pentagon Cites Concerns in China Military Growth
By THOM SHANKER

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/world ... .html?_r=1

Another cause of worry, according to the study, is China’s emphasis on weapons that could deny the ability of American warships to operate in international waters off the coast; those weapons include precision, long-range missiles and a growing fleet of submarines and warships.

The Pentagon study said that China had an active program to develop and build several aircraft carriers, and could start construction by the end of this year. China also appears intent on expanding its arsenal of nuclear-powered submarines, with one missile-launching submarine and several hunter-killer submarines already at sea, all nuclear-powered for greater range. These nuclear-powered submarines are in addition to larger and growing numbers of diesel-powered hunter-killer submarines in the Chinese Navy, according to the study.

Administration and military officials also criticized China’s actions beyond its territorial waters, particularly in the South China Sea. Pentagon officials say China’s military appears intent on extending claims for maritime jurisdiction beyond the range accepted by international law.

Pentagon demands on Chinese military impossible, warn scholarsUS says secrecy raises potential for 'miscalculation' but experts say China cannot reach desired level of transparency

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au ... s-pentagon

Drew Thompson, a China expert at the Nixon Centre in Washington, warned: "The US military and the Chinese military don't have a common understanding, a rules of the road, for navigation. That's a major cause for concern."

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 18 Aug 2010 17:12

China in Secret Military Build-Up, India Concerned
DNA

China’s clandestine strategic build-up has Indian military and strategic experts worried.

Strategic affairs analyst K Subrahmanium told DNA: “It is not just a matter of concern for India, but for the entire international community.
India Cannot get into an Arms Race with China.
It has to Look Up to Strategic Partners like Russia or the US.
The Indian Military Inventory is Inadequate.
The US is concerned because a strong China will dominate in the neighbourhood, where the US has major interests.”

Defence expert and analyst Uday Bhaskar said: “The military asymmetry between India and China is growing in favour of China.

This report is an American report, which is an American estimate of its principal adversary. Since India already has had border disputes with China, therefore India needs to be very concerned about the military build-up; Such Estimates and Reports should be Done by India as well and Tabled in Parliament for Systematic Review.

After all, Sino-Indian Relations are Shaped by their Military Asymmetry.”

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 18 Aug 2010 23:53

I see NDTV is blocked in China

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 19 Aug 2010 03:41

Acharya wrote:New Tang Dynasty Television

ABOUT NTDTV
New Tang Dynasty Television (NTDTV) is an independent, nonprofit television broadcaster established in 2002. Headquartered in New York City, NTDTV currently has reporters and correspondents in over 70 cities worldwide.

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It is psy ops channel of PRC

So now instead of drinking the Kool-Aid, we have to drink the Tang?