Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Aug 2010 00:39

Kamboja wrote:
Rudradev wrote: What I am suggesting is that the West and the TSPA's interests may have aligned in getting rid of Zardari... and that process is in fact what is happening here, starting with the Cameron saga and carrying on with the Zardari visit.

The West may also regard Zardari with suspicion and dislike, given his overt closeness with the Chinese.
No less than Kayani or any TSPA crore kammandu's adoration for taller than friends, surely.

Actually not so surely. If you've followed Zardari's career since he became President, he alone (of all the "democratic" leadership brought in when the West abandoned Mush) has been trying to carve out real political power for himself in Pakistan as a power centre independent of the TSPA. Groper Gilani and the others have been complete TSPA stooges from the beginning and remained that way.

At first, Zardari tried to accomplish his goals by sucking up to Western capitals, but they had no time for him, since they were too invested in TSPA supremacy because of Afghanistan. At a certain point, he switched over to currying favour with Beijing, in the hope that PRC would back him as a potential additional lever of influence in Pakistan alongside the TSPA. Many statements, initiatives, diplomatic visits to Beijing etc. by Zardari indicate this. For their part, Beijing welcomed the possibility of an additional lever of influence, being not entirely comfortable with the increasing influence of the West over TSPA since the War on Terror began.

The corpse commandos certainly have their own dealings with Beijing, but neither they nor the West were happy with the idea of the upstart Zardari (who after all, owes his "presidential election" to Western pressure) forming an alternate channel of influence between Islamabad and Beijing.

Rudradev wrote: ...When Zardari fails, it will appear to be a result of his political incompetence. He will be out, some TSPA-backed candidate will be President of Pakistan, Kiyani will be happy, and the West will be happy.
What does the West get out of replacing Zardari?

As above. The West, despite their prating about democracy, would rather have one power centre in Pakistan to deal with i.e. the TSPA, and would rather have all the "democratic" political players be essentially subservient to that centre. This was especially true given that Zardari was looking east. And besides, if Kiyani wants Zardari replaced it makes sense for the West to keep him happy.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Aug 2010 00:43

Its probably TSP-isnpired, but the use "indian-held" is a mischevous move by Yahoo/AP upon "suggestion" from their handlers in the stat/Pentagon/CIA etc, especially in light of recent stone pelting.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Aug 2010 00:44

before we get carried away, the origin of the report has been traced to a paqui

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 07 Aug 2010 01:51

There are no floods in Kashmir.It all happened in Laddakh due to cloud bursts in Leh and adjoining areas. Many vital roads and telecommunication links have been washed away. People there were facing massive shortages of essential goods including food and fuel due to blockade of the road by KMs in Kashmir region even before this and these flash floods have made it even worse.

Jammu, Laddakh AND Kashmir. How difficult can it be for the idiots in media to differentiate among the three

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 07 Aug 2010 02:07

Rudradev wrote:
Actually not so surely. If you've followed Zardari's career since he became President, he alone (of all the "democratic" leadership brought in when the West abandoned Mush) has been trying to carve out real political power for himself in Pakistan as a power centre independent of the TSPA. Groper Gilani and the others have been complete TSPA stooges from the beginning and remained that way.

The corpse commandos certainly have their own dealings with Beijing, but neither they nor the West were happy with the idea of the upstart Zardari (who after all, owes his "presidential election" to Western pressure) forming an alternate channel of influence between Islamabad and Beijing.

Most interesting and, now that I think about history of Zardari's presidency, very accurate as well. Many thanks for the gyaan, R-ji!

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 07 Aug 2010 02:57

We should promote use of such BRF phrases more in mainstream media, comments, articles. And soon one day we will find its place in oxford/webster:

Meeting one's 72 (phrase) - meaning blah blah.... most usually practiced by people of pakistan !

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2010 04:45

Brad Goodman wrote:Found this interesting piece on a hiroshima article not sure if this has been discusses many moons ago

http://blog.oup.com/2010/08/remembering-hiroshima/

Just weeks after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States, the Israelis said they had arrested a Pakistani man trying to enter Israel via the Palestinian Territories with a backpack-borne nuclear device.

I am not sure if this was discussed at all. Has anybody got any more information ? I would be interested. TIA.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Aug 2010 05:04

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au ... stan-talks
Zardari claims win in terror row with UKDavid Cameron backs new 'Marshall plan' to rebuild region devastated by war following talks with Pakistan's president
Zaardari in the video claiming Pakistan is Britain's oldest Bitch

A triumphant President Asif Ali Zardari tonight claimed to have convinced David Cameron that Pakistan was doing all it could to stop militant jihadi groups "exporting terror" to Afghanistan and Britain,( Not India or US or Euope ) while appearing to rule out a new crackdown or any specific additional security measures.Speaking after talks at Chequers that followed the furious row over Cameron's claim that elements of Pakistan's security establishment were looking "both ways" on terrorism, Zardari said he had looked the prime minister in the eye. "We had some straight talk and we became friends," he said. Downing Street described the talks as "positive and constructive", with "excellent dynamics" between the two.In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, a beaming Zardari said he had won British backing for the idea of a Marshall plan to rebuild Afghanistan and Pakistan after more than 30 years of "devastating" regional war. He said Britain had agreed to lobby the European Union for greater trade access for Pakistani goods and was donating an additional £10m in immediate relief for victims of the flooding in northern Pakistan. And he made light of differences over the US-led coalition's Afghan war strategy, which he suggested this week was heading for defeat.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 07 Aug 2010 05:08

This is a old news. It was a big deal on BRF when this news came out. Actully isreal killed one paki & other one was arrested.

Paquis as usual denied they were from porkistan & blame it on YYY

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 07 Aug 2010 05:19

Was it an actual fission device or just a bunch of radioactive materials clobbed together? I doubt you could just carry the former around.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 07 Aug 2010 05:57

Zardari said he had looked the prime minister in the eye. "We had some straight talk and we became friends," he said.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 07 Aug 2010 06:01

It reminds of dubya meeting putin for the first time...What did dubya got looking into putin's soul?

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 07 Aug 2010 06:07

jamwal wrote:Jammu, Laddakh AND Kashmir. How difficult can it be for the idiots in media to differentiate among the three

Most of the western media doesn't care. Outright Paki supporters like maro-goli and others insist on calling the entire state as Kashmir or Cashmere, and the rest follow their lead. Pakis of course have a vested interest in calling it Kashmir, and WKKs in India and some of the Indian media also connive in this terminology.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 07 Aug 2010 06:10

surinder wrote:
On NPR they had an Indian corrospondent who was reporting from India and said Indain controlled kashmir. Well he has to earn a living too, and this is what NPR calls, then he has to call it. It is not the prerogative of a gora or TSP-origin reporter, that is SOP name for Kashmir.

"Controlled" is fine. We have to distinguish between PoK and the legally governed portion of Kashmir. "Held" has the connotation of illegal occupation.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2010 06:16

Not really. Indians should dispute the incorrect language regardless of who uses it to combat the psy-ops.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Aug 2010 06:35

SSridhar wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Found this interesting piece on a hiroshima article not sure if this has been discusses many moons ago

http://blog.oup.com/2010/08/remembering-hiroshima/

Just weeks after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States, the Israelis said they had arrested a Pakistani man trying to enter Israel via the Palestinian Territories with a backpack-borne nuclear device.
I am not sure if this was discussed at all. Has anybody got any more information ? I would be interested. TIA.

True. It was not discussed - but it sounds like balderdash to me. To make a working nuclear bomb out of say 2 kg of Plutonium is not easy. Easy to get a fizzle. With 2 Kg Pu one would need at least 20 kg explosive alone apart from shielding, cladding, padding, wadding, dadding, phadding, timing, electronix etc we are looking at a minimum of 40kg even if it was made by a power adept at making nuclear bombs (Russia, USA). A man carrying a 40 Kg backpack can hardly expect to melt in a crowd and not be noticed.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Aug 2010 06:58

Hard-Line Islam Fills Void in Pakistan’s Flood Response

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/07/world ... pstan.html

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Aug 2010 07:03

Suhasini Haider has written another pro-Paki article in "The Hindu'. *sigh*

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 07 Aug 2010 07:04

U.S., U.N. declare HuJI a terrorist group

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/07/stories ... 310100.htm

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Aug 2010 08:03

backpack nuclear devices are radioactive materials with a conventional HE core I think...a dirty bomb to create panic , shut cities down, impact financial markets, keep people on edge for weeks with copycat call-ins.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2010 08:10

U.S. & U.N. declare HuJI as a terrorist group

The U.S. on Friday declared the Pakistan-based Harkat-ul Jihad (HuJI) a foreign terrorist organisation and slapped sanctions on its commander Mohammad Ilyas Kashmiri, 46, believed to have been in close contact with Lashkar-e-Taiba operative David Headley, for their terrorist activities in India and Pakistan.

There is no mention of U.N. in this though the headline says otherwise.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Aug 2010 08:11

Singha wrote:backpack nuclear devices are radioactive materials with a conventional HE core I think...a dirty bomb to create panic , shut cities down, impact financial markets, keep people on edge for weeks with copycat call-ins.

You know - I have often wondered about this. I would not like to see it happen - but I don't think the impact of a man carrying a 20 Kg RDX bomb mixed with Plutonium powder would really shut down any city. It might impact say New York for a month. A place like Mumbai would be affected for about 3 days.

I believe this "shut down financial markets" etc is mostly hype. In fact if a BackPaki ever does something markets will be infused with new fervor as people allow military industrial complexes to work overtime to kick the crap out of some country or another - so that another 10 years of word entertainment can occur.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 07 Aug 2010 08:47

SSridhar wrote:There is no mention of U.N. in this though the headline says otherwise.

See this link and search for Kashmiri. It was updated today. The UNSC sanctions committee sometimes does not issue press releases.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 07 Aug 2010 09:24

Women's Rights in Pakistan

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7lUfSGhnyP4/T ... 732612.jpg

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Aug 2010 09:29

abhishek_sharma wrote:Suhasini Haider has written another pro-Paki article in "The Hindu'. *sigh*

Well what to say, she is the leading extinguished light of the WKK brigade. Some times you just have to leave them alone. As they are not ever going to learn.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Aug 2010 09:43

Aa gaye Poak Mian jee apni Aukat pei
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=1 ... =&supDate=
Donors asked for $2.5 billion

ISLAMABAD (August 07 2010): While urging for immediate support, Pakistan has informed the donors' community that 15 million people could be affected by recent wave of devastating floods, triggered by monsoon rains, against 3.2 million people affected by the earthquake in 2005.
"Funds earmarked under Public Sector Development Programme (PSDP) may be diverted to carry out flood rescue and recovery operations," Pakistani officials said during briefing. Minister of State for Finance and Economic Affairs and General Nadeem Ahmed (Retd), Chairman, National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA), informed the development partners during the meeting that Pakistan would require $2.5 billion funding, just for rebuilding of 650,000 destroyed houses alone.
"According to initial estimates, as many as 12 million people have been affected so far, which could exceed 15 million after receiving figures from Sindh province," Nadeem informed the donors' community. In a presentation, he said that 132,421 sq km area was affected due to floods 2010 against 30,000 sq km affected during the earthquake of 2005. Donors were informed that 650,000 houses were damaged by floods, against 600,000 destroyed in the earthquake of 2005.
"The death toll stands at 1001 due to floods, against 73,000 casualties in the earthquake," Pakistani officials said, adding that 1120 people sustained injuries in recent floods, compared to 1,28,000 injured in the earthquake.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2010 09:48

Rangudu wrote:See this link and search for Kashmiri. It was updated today. The UNSC sanctions committee sometimes does not issue press releases.

Rangudu, thanks. I didn't realize that Ilyas Kashmiri was also a Mufti/Maulana, though it hardly matters.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 07 Aug 2010 09:49

Amber G. wrote:Saw some place...an expert explanation on why some people pronounce certain words ...

The Arabic language does not have a letter in the Arabic alphabet to make the P sound, which is why a lot of Arabs who are not exposed to English (or other languages that have the P sound) continue to pronounce words that begin with 'P', such as Pen or Pencil, as Ben, Bencil.

But typically the usage of the word 'Bakistani' by Indians is deliberate and in a derogatory context (most often seen on one notorious Indian forum), given that Indian languages do not suffer from the same limitation that Arabic does.
Anyone knows which notorious forum they are talking about?

There's nothing derogatory about the word "Bakistan"
http://sites.google.com/site/brfdiction ... b/bakistan
Matter of fact, I do believe the word accurately describes the situation (i.e.) "What's-left-land".

NikhilB wrote:We should promote use of such BRF phrases more in mainstream media, comments, articles. And soon one day we will find its place in oxford/webster:

Meeting one's 72 (phrase) - meaning blah blah.... most usually practiced by people of pakistan !

Heh, there is already one not quite so famous dictionary that mentions BRF phrases

. Contributions to entries are always welcome. Incidentally 72 is already there.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Aug 2010 09:54

^^^ what a pathetic country, can't even deal with the annual monsoon. Just beg and beg. Which if received can be stashed away in swiss banks.

Just saw a man with a straight face begging for foreign aid for flood relief on BEEB.

They want too rule Afghanistan with this ability. What is the sole functioning institution doing in that land. Guarding against a non existent Indian threat in the east. Or valiantly surrendering to the Talibans on the first opportunity in the west.

It is a phucked up land, with phucked up people

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Aug 2010 09:57

^^^ ArmenT, thats just BRF dictionary, the word is not a part of popular vocabularly yet.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 07 Aug 2010 10:39

SSridhar wrote:U.S. & U.N. declare HuJI as a terrorist group
The U.S. on Friday declared the Pakistan-based Harkat-ul Jihad (HuJI) a foreign terrorist organisation and slapped sanctions on its commander Mohammad Ilyas Kashmiri, 46, believed to have been in close contact with Lashkar-e-Taiba operative David Headley, for their terrorist activities in India and Pakistan.
There is no mention of U.N. in this though the headline says otherwise.

The Hindu has another link which mentions that part
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true

The UN in a statement noted that the Security Council al-Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions Committee "approved the addition of the two [entities – HUJI and Mr. Kashmiri] to its Consolidated List of individuals and entities subject to the assets freeze, travel ban and arms embargo". As per the action taken by the UN, all its member states would be required to implement an asset freeze, travel ban, and arms embargo against this group and individual.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 07 Aug 2010 11:06

ArmenT wrote: There's nothing derogatory about the word "Bakistan"
.

OTOH using 'p' sound (as there is no such sound in the language of Allah) may be against Islam per this item from Nation (Pakistan's premier newspaper) discussing motion in Parliamentary Reforms Committee to change the name of the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan".. cause the very name of 'Pakistan' is contradictory to Islam as there is no halal 'p' sound. .. (Rest is comments/follow up )
Plenty in a name?

According to a report in the daily The Nation of 19.11.09, Awami National Party (ANP) has proposed during deliberations of the Parliamentary Reforms Committee that the name of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan should be the Peoples Republic of Pakistan. The Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Pakistan People's Party (PPP) have also reportedly supported the move. I fully agree with the proposal. In fact, the very name of Pakistan is contradictory to Islam. In the first place, there is no 'P' in the Arabic, the language of Allah. So our Arab brothers call it (El) 'Bakistan'.
Actually the name of Pakistan was coined by the pro-Congress press on the eve of the passage of 1940 Resolution by the All India Muslim League to establish independent Muslim states in Hindustan. The 1940 resolution, by the way, did not mention the name 'Pakistan', though it came to be known as 'The Pakistan Resolution' following the name given to it by the Hindu press. Let us also admit now that the character of the nation inhabiting this country is any thing but Islamic. Our country's Islamic name has therefore become a bad reference for Islam. It would be better if we called it simply 'Muslimastan', as it was actually intended to be as per the 1940 Resolution?

Some one commented:
"Maybe bashing the name Pakistan was only thing left which was not bashed by Indians"
Don't remember where last post was copied from but a simple google search gets plenty of hits .. looks like use of 'Bakistan' is quite common in Paki papers/ forums/blogs/letters to editors..
Also "Who was the first Raw Agent in Bakistan" (Plagiarized I suppose)
Know Your Raw

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 07 Aug 2010 11:21

Pakistan ready to hold talks with Taliban: Zardari http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100807/8 ... ban_1.html

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Aug 2010 11:25

Pratyush wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Suhasini Haider has written another pro-Paki article in "The Hindu'. *sigh*

Well what to say, she is the leading extinguished light of the WKK brigade. Some times you just have to leave them alone. As they are not ever going to learn.

Every house needs a sep tank or some such arrangement to keep undesirable matter isolated and disposed of - TSP is serving that admirable purpose in South Asia and these WKKs are doing us a favor each day they keep TSP alive and not sending barbarian animals over the border in hordes seeking sanctuary...

Looking at the broader picture, their agenda is quite clear - deliver 'peace' i.e., India's head on a plate to Beijing on Beijing's terms so that PRC can keep this neighbourhood in control as it seeks to dominate Unkil in Asia (first) and globally (later)...their stance on every matter be it unilateral advocacy of nuclear disarmament or encouraging jehadi terror in the name of secularism to TSP masla explains itself once this is understood. Once Hindus are made second class in South Asia through such 'peace', it also helps the Stalinists collect their reward => move beyond their 2 1/2 states and rule India like their masters without the burden of bourgeoisie nuisances like elections.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Aug 2010 11:25

Raghavendra wrote: The Hindu has another link which mentions that part

Raghavendra, thanks.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 07 Aug 2010 11:35

Islamist Groups Make Gains Thru Flood Response

Standard chanakian message from the Atlanticist mouthpiece NYT. Their message is "give more aid to Pak - or the terrorists will win!"

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 07 Aug 2010 11:49

Pratyush wrote:^^^ ArmenT, thats just BRF dictionary, the word is not a part of popular vocabularly yet.

Sorry for the OT but anyone who has ever watched Vijaykanth movies only knows Bakistan and not Pakistan.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Aug 2010 11:52

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ver-Chenab

Indian water swells and kills - why did we pass water on Bakistan?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Aug 2010 14:34

As a beleagured Pak struggles to handle the catastrophic floods,beseiged with its other problems more due to its own foolhardiness and making,the scale of the floods now sweeping across the land from the frontier,Punjab to the flood plains of Sindh,have dealt the TSP a devastating blow.It is tempting to say that Pak deserves this lethal hand from nature for all its recent sins,but to recover from a disaster of this magnitude will take Pak several years.It is therefore a heaven sent breather from India,as the Paki establishment will be under the most intense pressure to deal with the catastrophe and while we all know that it will not rsult in the ISI stopping its terror plans for India,it will certainly give them a headache for many,many moons to come.The Paki military will now be on duty for months to come in diaster relief activities.

Zardari's jaunt to the UK at this time has won him few friends back home,but frankly even f he were in Pak what difference would've it have made?The Army calls the shots and the real man on the spot who should be made rsponsible is Gen.Kill-Any.The Army of Pak and the other services have squandered the wealth of the nation and all its aid in beefing up its military to counter the "threat" from India! It has thus little left over for dealing with a crisis such as this.Its unpopularity will mount,but unfortunately the real gainer seems to eb the extremist outfits who gave grssroot support and are the main relief activists at the moment say reports.

The familiar Paki whine and pleas for "more money" are now being made.The international community must go to Pak's help,but demand from it its pound of flesh in guaranteed verifiable assurances that it is dismantling its terror networks,putting such terrorists on trial and handing over to India and other nations those accused of crimes again the respective states (like Dawood,etc.)regardless of any internal pressure to keep them free.The US now has agolden opportunity to turn the screw against Pak and demand much more than it has done so far in seeing that Paki/ISI terror is destroyed once and for all.It is only then that India can/should resume talks with Pak,not until then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... llion.html

Pakistan floods affect 14 million
The worst floods in Pakistan's history have affected 14 million people, the government's disaster management agency has said.

PS:In castigating the guilty in Pak of crimes against India,exporting global terror,etc.,let us not forget our humanity and express our sympathy for the suffering innocent people affected by the floods in Pak.We too have had our share of disaster just now in Leh,with the very same monsoon rains.Nature makes little distinction and acknowledges no man-made boundaries.

One reason for the tragedy affecting the region is the indiscriminate building work that has been allowed in the hills,without examining environmental concerns,the indiscriminate tree felling and the forgetfulnes of dealing with stormwaters.Our disaster management skills are shoddy.We had a thread on this some time ago and many members made valuable suggestions.Each year the Indo-Gangetic plain suffers floods in Bihar,UP,etc.We build oput towns and cities next to rivers for want of water but often forget that in the cycle of nature,there are years when floods happen

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Aug 2010 16:55

Mods Philip's account has been hacked.

. He is posting like a WKK.

On a serious note, as an Indian my primary concern is the safety and welfare of Indians. I dont wish harm on others but if they can't respect my or mines right to safety then I say that they are getting what they desreve. Remember many of the same worthies defended Kasab and justified his action and condemend the death penalty awarded to him.

Moreover, if the TSP is a water stressed nation and it also knows that it will get excess waters in a short period of time then it should have made attempts to harvest that water. By launching attempts to capture that water and using it during the lean season.

But no, they have been busy calling for Jihad against India for stealing water.

So let the 3.5 pay the 2.5 billion $ demanded by the RATS to TSP and watch the fun.

JMT