Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

[Amber G.]

Adnan Shukrijumah, believed to be the new head of global operations for Al Qaeda, FBI says
Adnan Shukrujumah lived in US (had a green card) for 15+ years..
New Al Qaeda leader is former US resident

[Brad Goodman]

Shiv: can you cross post your comments on Jason Burke's article?

[anupmisra]

I don't know the name of a syndrome whereby a crime perpetrator after commiting a henious crime goes on the offensive and paints himself as the object of the real victim's machinations against him.

Pakitis. There's only one known cure. Terminalicin.

[Prem]

Pakistan floods: army steps into breach as anger grows at Zardari
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/au ... dari-anger

"Even when governments can't cope, they can at least show empathy. That was missing," said Ayaz Amir, a newspaper columnist and member of parliament for the opposition Pakistan Muslim League (N). "Who was the first person on the scene? The army chief. This has really cost [Zardari] heavily. This image will linger.
"The image of President Zardari visiting his chateau in France, while there was devastating flooding in Pakistan: this will have long-term effects."The government insists that the overseas tour was important and that the prime minister, not the president, is responsible for running the government, including its response to natural disasters. However, images of what some have dubbed Zardari's "joy ride" have played continuously on Pakistani TV, adding to public anger.
While in France, Zardari went by helicopter to drop in on the 16th century chateau he owns in Normandy. He has been accused in the past of accruing millions through corruption, earning him the nickname "Mr Ten Percent". His arrival in Britain in a pair of jeans caused further consternation over what was supposed to be an official visit, as did his stay in a five-star hotel in London. Holding a party-political event while in the UK appeared to be the final insult.
General Ashfaq Kayani, by contrast, visited victims days before the prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, who was campaigning for byelections instead. Kayani repeatedly visited the affected areas.When, in the middle of last week, Gilani did make it to flood-hit Mianwali, in Punjab province, he unwittingly inspected what was later reported to be a fake aid centre set up by officials for his visit.

[Suppiah]

Burke is saying a lot of good things, dunno why 'jeimen' had to take offense...

The conversations we had were deeply depressing. Their view of the west, coloured by conspiracy theories about the true perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks, antisemitism and anti-Zionism, a visceral anti-Americanism and a deep social conservatism, was overwhelmingly negative. The west's material conditions were undoubtedly attractive, many said, but there was no respect for women or the old and there was *****, prostitution and Aids too. People should be able to choose whom they marry, they agreed, and women should work. But a balance none the less had to be kept.

Their patriotism was assertive and unabashed. "We are a proud and great country. We have nuclear weapons," said one. In Afghanistan and in Kashmir, Muslims were "as oppressed" as they were in Palestine, I was told. They all wanted "democracy" but said their politicians were corrupt and never helped the poor.

Though no one wanted clerics to rule, the laws of the country should however be in accordance with sharia. The students maintained a strict gender segregation. The girls were veiled. Many of the men were bearded. They were neither members of Jamaat-e-Islami, the big Islamist party, nor the ultra-westernised elite kids who party in Lahore or Karachi. They were "middle Pakistan".

...barbaric animals even in university...country is beyond hope...

A poll of Pakistanis released last month by the respected Pew Centre reinforced quite how widespread such views are. ... More than 80% supported segregating men and women in the workplace, stoning adulterers and whipping or amputation for thieves.

.....

It is a statement that is more accurate than many in the west care to think. It also explains policies, such as sponsoring the Afghan Taliban, which bewilder many western observers. This is not to say other values or perceptions do not exist – they do – but just that the views of students in Multan were thus mainstream.

....yes, the mainstream is fanatic barbarianism and animalism...

We ignore the increasingly powerful cultural and political influence of an increasingly conservative Middle East in the country. We hope our favoured English-speaking moderates, such as the Bhutto clan, can somehow fashion a new ally and partner out of this troublesome nation.

...baki is an arap now..

Pakistan's identity issues are steadily being resolved. But not how we would like them to be. Shout as much as we like, the man on the Gujranwala omnibus is increasingly unlikely to listen.

What is there to object? am I missing something? You cant expect him to say in print, that too in Guardian that the only hope is to nuke the whole place and get rid of them for the sake of humanity...

[Gerard]

'I am proud of what I did': Protester who threw shoes at Pakistan president remains unrepentant

[Gerard]

he unwittingly inspected what was later reported to be a fake aid centre set up by officials for his visit.

[Prem]

No respite in sight as more rains forecast
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -980-hh-01
Aaaallah, Allah lega intkaam, yeh rain, yeh tooffan , Poakland Bakra Kuuuurban.

ISLAMABAD / LAHORE: With water flows continuing to increase at Guddu and Sukkur, weather pundits have forecast an extended rainy spell, at times heavy, raising fears of aggravation of the ‘super flood’ in the Indus and flooding in Karachi, Hyderabad and other cities in 24 to 36 hours. At the same time, water flows have started rising once again at Tarbela, Nowshera, Kalabagh and Chashma in the Indus and Kabul rivers and near Punjnad, indicating that the flood situation would persist much longer than earlier predicted. The highest ever peak of flood moved from Skardu to Tarbela on Sunday afternoon and the Lahore-based Flood Forecasting Division expressed fears that it might cause extensive damage. A fresh advisory issued by the Pakistan meteorological department (PMD) in the evening forecast widespread rainfall in Sindh, Balochistan, Punjab, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Azad Kashmir. “Widespread, at times heavy, rainfall is expected in Sindh during the next 24-36 hours. Flooding is possible in Karachi, Hyderabad and other urban areas. Further, heavy rain may aggravate Indus river flooding in Sindh,” PMD chief Dr Qamaruz Zaman Chaudhry said.

[Prem]

he unwittingly inspected what was later reported to be a fake aid centre set up by officials for his visit.

Checking the various flood photos, in most of them , Poaks are wearing neatly, ironed , dry dresses with no water or mud stains on them.

[James B]

Load shedding leads to shedding of some pakis, as predicted on BRF.

Edit in DT

Four protestors were killed and 10 injured in a clash with the police in Topi on Friday. The protest, which was directed against extended load shedding by the Peshawar Electric Supply Company (PESCO), took a violent turn, with the people setting the local PESCO office on fire. Later on, the police sprayed bullets on the protestors once they came out again against the arrest of some of their colleagues.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg3_1

[farazh]

he unwittingly inspected what was later reported to be a fake aid centre set up by officials for his visit.

Indeed.

[shiv]

Shiv: can you cross post your comments on Jason Burke's article?

OK. In response to Jason Burke's statement :
The second prism is that of the fragmented failing state. Pakistan is yet to fulfil any of the multiple warnings of imminent collapse since its foundation in 1947.

What are you smoking Mr Burke? Is Peshawari hash that good?

Pakistan split up into two countries in 1971. In 2010 more than 50% of the land area of Pakistan (in Balochistan and Khyber Paktunkhwa) is not directly under Pakistan government control. The country is living on bailouts and when asked if they want to fight the Taliban, the Pakistan army wants to fight India instead.

This is not "imminent collapse" - it is a state of collapse. Nations don't collapse like the twin towers did. It happens in slow motion. There is plenty of time to arrest the collapse and guess what Pakistanis are choosing to do? They have chosen to go steadily downwards as a nation. Fewer that 2% pay income tax, there are 16 million firearms on the loose, the figures for lack of literacy are rising and the population growth rate is not falling as it should with an average Pakistani mother breeding 5 or 6 children.

And you think you know about Pakistan? In India the word "lifafa" would describe your article. Go figure.

[Brad Goodman]

thomas friedman taking shots at pakis. This is with reference to new proposed mosque near WTC

Broadway and the Mosque

I greatly respect the feelings of those who lost loved ones on 9/11 — which was perpetrated in the name of Islam — and who oppose this project. Personally, if I had $100 million to build a mosque that promotes interfaith tolerance, I would not build it in Manhattan. I’d build it in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. That is where 9/11 came from, and those are the countries that espouse the most puritanical version of Sunni Islam — a version that shows little tolerance not only for other religions but for other strands of Islam, particularly Shiite, Sufi and Ahmadiyya Islam. You can study Islam at virtually any American university, but you can’t even build a one-room church in Saudi Arabia.

[Manishw]

^^^ Good Idea, since he has mentioned KSA and Pakistan, I would think it to be a short step from there to M & M, perfect.

[Brad Goodman]

Here is a paki protecting H&D

VIEW: Friedman and Pakistan-bashing —Yasser Latif Hamdani

In an article that should have had nothing to do with Pakistan, Thomas Friedman of the New York Times subtly dropped the nugget that Pakistanis espouse the most puritanical form of Sunni Islam along with Saudi Arabia (‘Broadway and the Mosque’, NYT, August 4, 2010). As a Pakistani of an entirely non-Sunni background, I am taken aback by this utterly ill informed claim. The reason for my angst: Pakistan is not only the second largest Shia country in the world after Iran, but also houses the largest populations of Ahmedis and Ismailis in the world.

Hasnt this guy heard of Sipaih E Sahiba and the dhamakas that just happened in Karachi ( rather still happening as we speak)

Furthermore, most of Pakistan’s popular civilian leaders such as Jinnah and the Bhuttos have been Shias by faith. It is true that General Zia’s US-backed military regime did much damage to Pakistan’s common law-based legal structure by introducing the Wahabi interpretation of Islamic law. It all but destroyed Pakistan’s secular education system through a bigoted narrow curriculum in the 1980s while the Pentagon looked away (primarily because puritanical Islam was of great value in the great jihad against the Soviet Union), but that still does not prove Mr Friedman’s claim. Had he tried to educate himself on the issue, he would have learnt that even Pakistan’s Sunni Muslims are mostly from the softer Barelvi creed, and that the Deobandi high church is an aberration thanks to the US’s favourite military dictator.

He needs to read Burke's article about students in Multan or just see Zaid Kazzabs face book page to see the secular education bred chickens are coming home to roost. Wasnt Faisal Sehzaad & David Headley products of same secular education this paki is preaching us?

Mr Friedman’s penchant for Pakistan-bashing. A few years ago, Mr Friedman allegedly (my source though is impeccable ) told a group of Pakistani-Americans that if they could pay a higher price than Indian-Americans, he would stop abusing Pakistan altogether. Pakistani Americans could not match up and, therefore, Mr Friedman continues to bash Pakistan.

Now we need to give this to pakis they have amazing sources who tell them about every conspiracy that is unfolding.

My advice to Mr Friedman and other geniuses of his ilk — concentrate on writing about culture and society in the village. Stop bothering yourselves with global politics. This is just not your cup of coffee.

Because to write about geo politics u need to take dictation from ISPR like these media jehadis do

[Brad Goodman]

I think we should be posting comments on every article about these paki floods. We need to remind people that this is the same area that is root of all problems we face because of terrorism. Yesterday they killed a group of volunteer doctors and every body bag that comes back to west has finger print of this region so if you want to help these folks go ahead but remember we told you the facts.

[Brad Goodman]

slimeball Qureshi is back to old ways

For Qureshi, ridiculous is 'objective'

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi appears to believe that impoliteness and intemperate tone are critical to his country’s diplomacy. In a statement that could make him more unpopular here, Mr Qureshi on Sunday justified his audacious statement comparing home secretary G K Pillai with Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed. What is more, he described his observation against Mr Pillai as “balanced and objective”.

[Brad Goodman]

Still surreal on Pakistan

In a report released by the US State Department, Pakistan is justifiably identified as a victim of terrorism, its state security apparatus, particularly the untouchable ISI, is absolved of any complicity in promoting terrorism through groups such as the Haqqani Network and Hezb-e-Islami

In contrast, the response of the US report to Pakistan’s continuing obstinacy is almost a meek request: “It needs to take further action against this group…”

Against this backdrop, the branding by the report of Sudan as a “state sponsor of terrorism” (along with Cuba, Iran and Syria) is simply bizarre. Sudan has retained this dubious distinction despite cooperating with the US in counterterrorism efforts. As the report acknowledges, Khartoum “has also worked hard to disrupt foreign fighters from using Sudan as a logistics base and transit point for terrorists…” Indeed, the only rationale appears to be the presence of three banned terrorist organizations on Sudanese territory. By this logic, Pakistan—home to at least five of the banned terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda, and consistently found wanting in its ability to rid its territory of these groups—would be an obvious candidate for that label. However, political expediency and logistics needs for the Afghan campaign have kept Pakistan out of this exclusive club for now

[Gus]

Sorry for the OT but anyone who has ever watched Vijaykanth movies only knows Bakistan and not Pakistan.

Its more like baagisthaan. He used to be play a sub-inspector in Tirunelveli and kick some 100 people and save India.

But the WKKitis got to him too. In some recent movie I saw him play a doctor treating some paki kid blah blah.

[abhishek_sharma]

No option but to keep talking to Pak: Rao

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 276471.cms

[Anindya]

slimeball Qureshi is back to old ways

For Qureshi, ridiculous is 'objective'

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi appears to believe that impoliteness and intemperate tone are critical to his country’s diplomacy. In a statement that could make him more unpopular here, Mr Qureshi on Sunday justified his audacious statement comparing home secretary G K Pillai with Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed. What is more, he described his observation against Mr Pillai as “balanced and objective”.

Qureshi's statement needs to be seen in conjunction with Nirupama Rao's statement - Qureshi and TSP seem to feel that they can raise the bar on talks - including asking for specific timelines on Indian concessions. Rao and GOI seem to feel that no matter what the provocation, talks and Indian concessions are the only way forward. This is not where most of the Indian people are - at least those who know, what some of India-Pakistan issues are about. Yet, every single issue on the agenda is about Indian concessions - trade, IWT, people to people contacts, etc.

So, clearly there's a gap - there's an element of pressure on GOI to make talks happen and perhaps give concessions - the question is what is this pressure?

[rahuls]

A priceless comment from the above posted Cameroon - TSP article being

"Pakistan being a victim of terror is like a suicide bomber being the victim of explosives"

oyee! thats moi onlee.

[shiv]

A priceless comment from the above posted Cameroon - TSP article being

"Pakistan being a victim of terror is like a suicide bomber being the victim of explosives"

oyee! thats moi onlee.

And that is an act of genius. Thanks. Could not have been expressed better and it needs to be spread far and wide.

[James B]

A Paki throws in the towel

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=255530

Since then, things have gone from bad to worse, and such is our predicament today that, to say nothing of the king of Thailand, a clerk of Thai Airways would consider it a chore to drive to the airport to welcome the MD of a bankrupt airline. The deputy governor of a Chinese province suffices to receive Mr Zardari on what, even for the patient Chinese, must be his all-too-frequent trips to their country. The King of Saudi Arabia is in the habit of summoning our leaders to Riyadh and expects his requests and advice to be treated as directives. Our leaders, predictably, respond to his summons with alacrity and approach him much as a supplicant would (Call Girls, if you will) . The failure has not only been of governance but also of integrity and character.

I put this proposition to a number of Pakistanis residing abroad, none of whom were of the well housed, well fed, well warmed variety, while slumming my way across central Europe recently( No TFTA types?). Many of them were living on the margins of existence, often five or six to a room. Some were casual labourers, preoccupied with dodging the local police lest they be deported as illegals.

[Rudradev]

and not with truck load of NaCl

Just reached 70. the count up to 72 is on.

It would be nice if Pakistanis took all India's statements with a pinch of NaCN

[shiv]

So, clearly there's a gap - there's an element of pressure on GOI to make talks happen and perhaps give concessions - the question is what is this pressure?

IMO that pressure has been expressed best by an article by an ex-Indian Armed forces guy whose article was linked here recently. I archived the article because the man has a very clear thinking and analytical mind - whether one agrees or disagrees with his view.

http://www.8ak.in/8ak_india_defence_new ... f-war.html

India-Pakistan: Prospects of War
...given the cyclic past of crisis bordering on conflict, it would be prudent to check how dark are the clouds overhead and over the horizon.

Past crisis have been been triggered by terror attacks; and this remains a possibility. Firstly, circumstances that surrounded 26/11 continue to obtain. It was thought then that Pakistan, under pressure to take on the Taliban on its side of the border, had sparked the crisis as a distraction. Pakistan is now under pressure to go into North Waziristan. The pressure can be expected to only grow given the extent of ISI complicity with the Taliban, brought out by Wikileaks. ISI linkages and support of rogue elements within the Establishment remain. A crisis would not be unwelcome for GHQ, Rawalpindi.

Secondly, the autonomous agenda of the terror groups has expanded in face of Pakistani action against them. They have taken on the Army there at its very heart, the GHQ, and have just killed the Frontier Corps chief. Lastly, in the tradition of Mumbai 26/11, strategic coercion by Pakistan for progress on what it considers the ‘core issue’, Kashmir, can be ruled in since the talks route has ruled itself out. It would help keep Pakistan relevant lest the agenda set by youth in ongoing agitations in Kashmir marginalize Pakistan.

That a crisis could occur as a result of the next terror attack is not lost on the government. This is why the government does appear to have preferred success of the talks. This can be seen from the foreign minister’s pinning of the blame for failure on the home secretary. If the talks failed, it was less due to design, than the dissonance on Pakistan and Kashmir that has come to characterize India’s policies. Nevertheless, it was also clear that the composite dialogue was not about to restart. This indicates the confidence India appears to have in being able to deter the next terror attack and, should that not succeed manage the consequent crisis.

It may also reflect its levels of confidence in its protective efforts since 26/11. The problem is that the next terror attack can be expected to work round these schemes. Best indicator of readiness of an offensive reaction to the next 26/11, is in the release last month of the joint air-land doctrine by the HQ Integrated Defence Staff. This is meant to deter calculated action by the GHQ. It could also instead act as spur for terrorist minders.

Without ongoing talks, there is no buffer left.....

[SSridhar]

A priceless comment from the above posted Cameroon - TSP article being

"Pakistan being a victim of terror is like a suicide bomber being the victim of explosives"

oyee! thats moi onlee.

rahuls, a terrific comment.

[SSridhar]

A Paki throws in the towel

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=255530

The deputy governor of a Chinese province suffices to receive Mr Zardari on what, even for the patient Chinese, must be his all-too-frequent trips to their country. The King of Saudi Arabia is in the habit of summoning our leaders to Riyadh and expects his requests and advice to be treated as directives. Our leaders, predictably, respond to his summons with alacrity and approach him much as a supplicant would (Call Girls, if you will) . The failure has not only been of governance but also of integrity and character.

Why is an H&D-centric Pakistan willing to put up such humiliations ? It is "All for One and One for All" and that 'one' is INDIA.

[shynee]

Lack of Trust

ISLAMABAD: Faced with diminishing credibility, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s appeal last week for flood relief donations is getting a lukewarm response, both locally and internationally, it is learnt.

A credible Finance Ministry source told The News that the National Bank of Pakistan has not yet started receiving many donations from ordinary people, businessmen and from overseas Pakistanis.

The source said that the NBP, which has been designated by the government to receive donations both within Pakistan and outside, does not show an encouraging response, especially when compared with the response of the people after the 2005 earthquake.

More than 1,400 branches of the NBP have been asked to collect donations for the Prime Minister’s Flood Relief Fund 2010 for the flood-affected people. “A large number of the NBP branches have yet to receive even a single penny in the account opened for the purpose,” the source said, expecting that things may improve in Ramazan as people were waiting to make donations and give Zakat during the holy month.

[Dilbu]

Rahuls, good job.

[Prem]

http://blognorregis.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... nside.html
Trying hard to find a downside
Slow, Steady and Sweet is the dawn of wisdom.

What exactly would the world miss if Pakistan vanished? Everyday this week the top story has involved Pakistan/Afghanistan* somehow and it hasn't been good.
*Like there's a border to differentiate them.

[Prem]

Indo-Pak water dispute: Indian view
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... n-view-980

THIS is with reference to the column by Mr Irfan Husain regarding the water crisis in Pakistan (Dawn, Aug 4). I mostly agree with the writer’s conclusions but would like to add a clarification.
The writer quotes Pakistan’s Indus Water Commissioner, Jamaat Ali Shah, as asking why India needs gates in the run-of-the-river power projects it is constructing or has planned on the western rivers, which are granted to Pakistan by the Indus Water Treaty. This seems like a rhetorical question since gated spillways are a standard feature of most modern run-of-the-river projects. Rivers carry a very large amount of silt with them, and without gates, the dam constructed for the power project would quickly fill up with silt. Thus, the power potential of the project declines rapidly, until it is completely unusable after a few years. The gates allow for the flushing of the silt and continued operation of the power plant. The Indus Water Treaty explicitly allows India to construct run-of-the-river projects on the western rivers (Indus, Jhelum, Chenab). As the final verdict in the Baglihar case demonstrates, gated spillways are allowed in such projects for technical reasons. The treaty does not allow India to store water on the western rivers and none of the projects are designed to store water. Further, the treaty specifically requires India to release within 24 hours any water that flows into the dams of these projects. This has been adhered to by India in its existing projects.
More generally, India has upheld the treaty provisions for 50 years, in times of war and proxy war. The allegations that India is planning to starve Pakistan of water are not true and are meant to perpetuate the sense of hostility between the countries. As pointed out by the writer, the reduction of water availability, which is true of India as well, is due to increase in population. Both countries need to devise strategies to face the water crisis, which will only intensify in future due to global warming and continued increase in population. It is vital for the two countries to set aside their differences and cooperate in meeting these very serious challenges.
GIRISH A.
Menlo Park, CA
USA

[SSridhar]

Indo-Pak water dispute: Indian view
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... n-view-980

. . . The treaty does not allow India to store water on the western rivers and none of the projects are designed to store water. Further, the treaty specifically requires India to release within 24 hours any water that flows into the dams of these projects.

Well done Girish. Your efforts are appreciated.

I want to point out, though, two errors in the above letter, just to set the record straight, not to detract from the efforts of Girish. One is that, India is *allowed* storage on Western Rivers. And the second is that India has to release the waters within 24-hours only in certain projects (depending on the location) and in the others it is 7 days.

[Pratyush]

No option but to keep talking to Pak: Rao

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 276471.cms

All the more reasons for the pakis to be biligerent and inflexible

[Philip]

So the "buffer" that prevents us from going to war is "talks"! Frankly this is such pathetic defeatist talk and allows the Pakis to get away with anything.Pak should be treated as I've said before like an infectious disease and should be "quarantined".

A firm diplomatic slap in the face,strong diplomatic punishment would be a better way of telling off the Paki military that "enough is enough".Beseiged with so many problems at home,the current situ of Pak is akin to that of "a floundering bumboat,engines failing,compass out of action,leaking like a seive,pumps not working,with a mutiny aboard,heading for the breakers,in the mother of all cyclones !"

At the same time,given the Wikileaks,etc.,India should press for the uniformed terrorists of the Paki military to be arrested by Interpol for their terror activities.If the US can simply pluck any individual whom it suspects of terror involvement without any notice anywhere on the globe and incarcerate such prisoners secretly in its equivalent of concentration camps,it is not impossible for India to demand that the Paki globo-terrorists are arrested and put on trial.If Charles Taylor can be put on trial there is no reason why Gen.Musharrat,Kill-Any,Gul,et al cannot be so dealt with.On the issue of nuclear proliferation alone,there are dozens of Pakis beginning with AQK who should be in the dock.Even the demand to put errant Pakis on trial will make the world sit up and take notice and at the moment there see to be no "salvage vessels" heading to save the sinking Paki ship of state.....

[Prem]

Breeding Grounds of Poakland
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=1 ... =&supDate=

The world's financial experts have placed Pakistan on a list of 36 countries that face a serious food crisis. And that is again due to reason of population. It is time that we develop the awareness on population. South Korea is one such example whose programme to lower the birthrate had an unexpected result: Fertility fell so far below the replacement levels that population is ageing and decline in population size is a real prospect. South Korea initiated a population policy to lower the birthrate during the 1960s and 1970s to have its birthrate fall to world record low levels.
In Pakistan, the population growth rate is among the world's highest, officially estimated at 3.1 percent per year, but privately thought to be closer to 3.3 percent per year by many planners involved in population programmes. Pakistan's population was expected to reach 150 million by 2000 and to account for 4 percent of the world's population growth between 1994 and 2004, Pakistan's population is expected to double between 1994 and 2022.

By 2022, Poaks numbers should match BR index of 300-350 MIllion BDYs running Bookkha Nanga and Pyasa toward Wagha.
Conincdently, current trajectory of Indian economy indicate 8-10 Trillion Numbers by 2022 thus making it hard for Poaklandian not to beg, borrow or become our broad.

[SSridhar]

Breeding Grounds of Poakland
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=1 ... =&supDate=

In Pakistan, the population growth rate is among the world's highest, officially estimated at 3.1 percent per year, but privately thought to be closer to 3.3 percent per year by many planners involved in population programmes.

That also exposes another Pakistani perfidy. In c. 2007, Shortcut Shaukat Aziz said (DAWN, May 25, 2007), as usual, lied that population growth in Pakistan had cme down to 1.8% and it would further fall to 1.3% by c. 2020. Nobody believed it at that time, as his figures on economy, finance etc. DAWN itself opined that the population was growing 2% while UNICEF estimated 2.2. Now, probably, we have the correct figures for population growth, 3.3%.

[Chinmayanand]

AoA !!! TSP dhaga has met with its 72 again. Hope, TSP also meets its 72 soon.
IB4TL !!

[Theo_Fidel]

Holy hell this is worse that anyone thought.
Everyone assumes 300 million by 2035.

3.3% at such an enormous base is staggering.

2000 - 150 million
2010 - 207 million
2022 - 306 million
2030 - 397 million
2035 - 467 million

350 million addition in 35 years. More than tripling. Just 25 years away.

Note that if the demographic transition has not begun by then the population
is still doomed to double as all those young people have children.
This also explains all those flood images. No one has less than 5-6 children.
Many paupers complain about food for the 9 children. You very rarely
see this anymore in India.

Indian transition by the way began about 1995 which is why most experts think
our population will double and stabilize at about 1.6-1.8 Billion in 2035 from about 1.1 Billion right now.

By 2050 they will have a population of 700 million. ~ 1/2 that of India with 1.6 Billion.

The baqui population will exceed that of most of North India put together.

If I lived there I would be very afraid for my children.

[biswas]

My mother side family used to live in modern day Bangladesh, a snap decision by my great grandfather brought them to Kolkata. This thread makes me realise that there are people in modern Pakistan who didn't make that decision