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chackojoseph wrote:
tejas wrote:^^^^^ AoA !!! Hopefully the start of something beautiful. ( BTW What happened to Abhay?).
It was technological demonstrator Onleeee...

Chacko ji,

Won't the concerned lab have retained sufficient skills to restart Abhay. It was nice concept. A mix of East and West. The profile similar to BMP and the turret similar to that of the Bradly with over-under ATGMs.

Not really sure bout the protection though.
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would abhay not be the core tech around which the private firms would build out an industrial scale vehicle?
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rohit, why even argue ? just report it, lessens our job as well.
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chackojoseph wrote:
tejas wrote:^^^^^ AoA !!! Hopefully the start of something beautiful. ( BTW What happened to Abhay?).
It was technological demonstrator Onleeee...
CJ, just wanted to check something - the domestic consortium is likley to come out with foreign counterparts are consultants/JV partners. Will DRDO+OFB combo go along this route? Because, at least on paper, the Indian+foreign JV can put very interesting specs on the table (but again, I'm worried about the weight parameter). Thanx.
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even the drdo+ofb combo would have to pull in help from thales/el-op, elbit, italy/russia etc for stuff like thermal imagers, BMS, cannons, engine for which domestic deployed products do not exist yet.
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Timely warning saved over 100 Armymen, 26 missing near LoC http://www.indianexpress.com/news/timel ... oc/658320/
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Army seeks financial help from India Inc to rebuild Leh school
The Ladakh Scouts of the Army has sought financial assistance from India [ Images ] Inc for re-building the lone Army school in Leh which has been badly damaged by the cloudburst.

The Army school, which caters to nearly 200 students, was hit by hundreds of boulders that rolled down the hill along with slush on the night of August 5. The classrooms are now filled with slush and boulders.

The hostel too has been severely hit. "There has been heavy damage to the school building and infrastructure as well as to our boys and girls hostel," said Commanding Officer Colonel Anil Beniwal.


Phiang is nearly 20 kms from Leh city. "One thing that I would request, if it is possible, that the corporates under their social responsibility scheme could help us. We are in far-flung areas and people here are poor. It will be very good if somebody can come up and help us in that regard," Colonel Beniwal said.

Asked what kind of help is being sought, he said, "Somebody could come here and assess it for us or for themselves and can give us whatever financial assistance and help is required."

Ladakh Scouts, earlier a paramilitary force and now under the Army, has also been hit by the cloudburst.

While one of its jawans has died, two are missing. According to officials, the toll could have been much higher without the rows of trees that formed a barrier between its mess, quarters and the tumbling boulders.

Phiang village has also been hit badly with 17 people losing their lives because of the cloudburst. The force was able to rescue many villagers.

One of the most damaged buildings in the village is a 400-year-old Imam Barah, a portion of which has been washed away.
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Jawan meets his 'miracle daughter'
The two-and-half year-old miracle baby of the Leh cloudburst who survived slush and boulders has been reunited with her father. Deldan Anjmo was found floating in the water by the jawans with her eyes and mouth full of slush early on last Friday.
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Deldan was reunited with her mother late in the night. Tsering Dolma was not able to speak and it was only on Saturday afternoon that she told the doctors that her husband is an Army jawan named Tsering Dorjey posted in Siachen.

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Sitting in the hospital besides his wife and holding Deldan in his lap, Dorjay said, “My love for the Army has increased since they saved my family at a time when I could not.”
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Chafford wrote: haven't been able to find the WO rank insignia though.
The rank insignia may clearly show where this "Warrant Officer" stands in the Army hierarchy. And funny, that this rank only should have an English nomenclature. Generally the NCO and JCO ranks are partly in Hindi, but this "Warrant Officer" stands out as an odd rank ;).
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Happy Independence day folks...
Please check up Bharat Rakshak Band Stand for some more new Army Marching tunes. And also profiles of two prolific composers from the Indian Army. Shri. LB Gurung and Maj.Nazir Hussain VSM. All tunes are now in MP3 format.
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2 jawans die, 4 injured in mishap near LoC http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... oC/660563/
Jammu Two army jawans were killed and four others injured when an Army vehicle carrying them skidded off and fell into a gorge in Poonch district, police said.

An Army vehicle of Kamov Regiment was returning from a forward post on LoC, when it skidded off into a gorge at Faquir Bada area in Poonch district late last night, they said.

Kumaon Regiment?
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Battle’s annals now fade into night --- Wounded soldier in Bangla liberation war has to live on Rs 1,000 per month as pension
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100817/j ... 816112.jsp
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India to Buy Raytheon’s Javelin Anti-Tank Guided Missile
But the Transfer of Technology to Manufacture it in India would be a Bigger Development than the Sale of the Missile Itself.
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In a First, Woman Officer gets Award for Bravery Overseas
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Q.Why buy the Javelin if desi Nag has been a success,that too under FMS whose terms have been described by the CNS as being "heavily skewed" in favour of the manufacturer? We're told that even Milans are being upgraded/modernised so why buy a "third",sorry 4th ATGM as we've also got Russian ATGMs too? It appears that in order to prevent US weapon systems from losing out to other competitors in tenders,the GOI in its attempts to bow and scrape to Uncle Sam is resorting to this controversiail method.
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Philip wrote:Q.Why buy the Javelin if desi Nag has been a success,that too under FMS whose terms have been described by the CNS as being "heavily skewed" in favour of the manufacturer? We're told that even Milans are being upgraded/modernised so why buy a "third",sorry 4th ATGM as we've also got Russian ATGMs too? It appears that in order to prevent US weapon systems from losing out to other competitors in tenders,the GOI in its attempts to bow and scrape to Uncle Sam is resorting to this controversiail method.
Well, Philips, you really do stretch the logic and reasoning to the point of incredulity. Allow me to point an alternate POV:

(a) It was the COAS who pointed to the FMS and how the aggrement was structured. So, problem is with the structuring of the agreement with the vendor and not FMS per se. FMS is simply a channel and not an agreement in itself. Similar to how the Russians took the IA for ride with Smerch because the agreement was structured in a lopsided manner. I hope you will remember this before you cry conspiracy every time FMS deal is signed.

(b) Milan - IA was forced, repeat forced, to place order for Milan-2T by the BDL. It did not want any part of the Milan-2T deal - the weapon system was found to be short of the GSQR - which was diluted by MOD to get IA to purchase Milan-2T. The CAG Report mentions this in detail.

(c) Care to point out which Russian 3rd Gen F&F man-portable ATGM we're talking about here? Please share an example of such a system which IA could have purchased. Also, present Russian ATGM in IA armory are for BMP-X....we don't use manportable Russian versions....and even these are old and will come up for replacement once the new FICV start enetering the scene.

I really hope you stop looking everything from a conspirary angle.
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Nag is not yet man portable which Javelin is. Does anyone know of the timeframe for getting man portable version of nag out for trials?
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Little things like Nag being not man portable should not detract people from dreaming up conspiracy theories.

After all if Karat can so can others
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The thing is, we don't know the timeframe for Manportable Nag version. Once, it comes on board, I'm sure we'd be at ease with respect to ATGM requirement as well.
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Juggi G wrote:In a First, Woman Officer gets Award for Bravery Overseas
The Indian Express

Major Mitali Madhumita
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rohitvats wrote:The thing is, we don't know the timeframe for Manportable Nag version. Once, it comes on board, I'm sure we'd be at ease with respect to ATGM requirement as well.
Saar ji,

The DM spoke of TOT in the parliament, as per the news report. It is an obvious reference to the screw driver tech.

The MPNAG is as good as dead.
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Juggi G wrote:In a First, Woman Officer gets Award for Bravery Overseas
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3 Indian soldiers killed in Congo: NDTV
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Two Killed in Army Chopper Crash
A Cheetah helicopter of the Army Aviation Corps, crashed today morning at the Manipur-Nagaland border, 40 kilometer down-south Dimapur, five km from Vishwema, owing to bad weather, killing two Army officers out of the three onboard. The body of the third has not yet been found. A court of inquiry has been ordered.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:3 Indian soldiers killed in Congo: NDTV
Shiv Aroor on Twitter reports that 7 are critically injured. Operations are still on.
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xinhua

Three UN peacekeepers stabbed to death in DR Congo
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KINSHASA, Aug. 18 (Xinhua) -- Three Indian UN peacekeepers have been stabbed to death in the east of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo), media reported on Wednesday.

The report said the three were hacked by suspected rebels with knives and machetes rather than firearms, who broke into the camp in Kirumba, about 140 km north of Goma, capital of the Nord-Kivu province. Another three people were seriously injured.

The victims were all from the UN mission MONUSCO, it added.

The Indian military confirmed on a separate occasion that dozens of rebels attacked the camp in Kirumba in the morning.

Despite the demand by the Congolese government for a pullout of the UN peacekeepers by Aug. 31, 2011, clashes were reported occasionally in the vast Central African country, triggering fears that neutralized armed groups may come back in case of a premature withdrawal.

The UN mission last lost three personnel in early April when Enyele insurgents attacked the northwestern city of Mbandaka, the capital of Equateur province.

A delegation from the UN Security Council arrived in Kinshasa in May to make an assessment of the work carried out by its peacekeeping mission and its possible withdrawal from DR Congo.

MONUSCO maintains a 16,000-strong presence in the country, including thousands of Indian soldiers. More than 100 peacekeepers have been killed in DR Congo since war erupted in the country in the 1990s, sucking in several neighboring countries.
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I was reading about the indian army's operations in Myanmar during WW2. this aspect of WW2 has perhaps 1% of coverage accorded to the eastern and western fronts in europe, pacific war and even north africa (due to rommel's brandname).

have to say after the japanese were defeated on the imphal plain and the relief column from assam broke through in kohima and joined the
imphal garrison, the offensive into myanmar was a amazing piece of combined arms / OMG style work. and a lot of indian infantry and armour divs took part.

one corps staged amphious landings down the coast finally landing near rangoon, same day 50th indep para regiment dropped on rangoon.

one army group attacked mandalay and tied up 2 japan corps there deliberately attacking at multiple points...

one huge OMG outflanked mandalay on the west and drove much further down before crossing the irawady river and striking
directly for myetkila the logistics node of the mandalay garrison. this OMG estimated at 200 tanks and 2000 trucks.

air protection and resupply was used all over.

after myetkila, two prongs drove on rangoon and covered 300 miles in 3 weeks through bad roads and periodic japanese defences.

I am sure the institutional knowledge of this campaign was used later in 1971 to slap around the bakpacks.
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singha

which book??
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http://www.amazon.com/Cassell-Military- ... 840&sr=8-4

it also has rommel's campaign in WW1 (a mountain formation) and ewald von kleist was a hussar captain during the war on romania!

see the TOC for the full list of battles.
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Singha wrote:I am sure the institutional knowledge of this campaign was used later in 1971 to slap around the bakpacks.
Unfortunately, no. There were no senior enough Indian officers to have been able to participate in the planning and execution of this campaign. The senior-most Indian officer was (at that time) Col. Cariappa, who held a unit command (though he did have a staff appointment before). Gen Manekshaw would have been a Major at that time, at the most involved in Brigade level operational planning. This exclusion of Indians from higher-level operation planning and execution hurt India heavily in 1962. Fortunately for India, Pak also had the same leadership problem plus their officers also got deeply involved in politics.
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Pak Troops Violate Ceasefire Again
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Pakistani soldiers indulged in heavy firing along the LoC at around 0100 hours, targeting Indian forward posts in Krishnagati sub-sector of Poonch district with rockets and mortars, Brigadier General Staff (BGS), 16 corps, Brig S Dua told PTI.
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"It is ceasefire violation aimed at infiltrating militants into this side of the LoC,", he said adding, "We have lodged a strong protest with our Pakistani counterparts and called for a flag meeting over the incident".old habits die hard :((

Some posts targeted by Pakistan troops included Kripan, Kranti, Chajja One, and Gorda in Balnoie forward belt of Krishnagati sub-sector in Poonch.

This is for the second time this year that Pakistani troops have fired mortars and rockets. On May 23, they had fired rockets and mortars in Poonch's KG sector.
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In a ceasefire violation on July 6, Pakistani troops had fired at Pindi, Mala Bela and Chak Phagwari border outpost around 2230 killing a BSF jawan and injuring a villager.

Pakistani troops had also fired at the Chak Pagwari BOP on July 5 and killed BSF man Sultan Ali.
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It was followed by the ceasefire violation along IB in Abdullaian BOP in Jammu sector when Pak rangers fired on the Indian BOP and blew up border fencing on May 12.

On May 18, 2 jawans were killed and 3 injured in cross-border firing of Pakistan as they violate ceasefire.
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^ParGha, the book mentions one Col J N Chaudhuri as the first indian to hold a command position in the devastating OMG attack down the right
flank. he was in command of a armoured car unit scouting and screening for the main column.

http://indianarmy.nic.in/Site/FormTempl ... jJbpqKulY=
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a nice animated map of the british-indian campaign in burma.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/interactiv ... mbed.shtml

if only cnn-ibn and ndtv paid attention to our matters than rabble rousing...always taking the easy $$ way out.
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this link has some details on the indian units involved in burma campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Camp ... _1944.2F45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of ... d_Mandalay

in terms of size, distance covered in various phases, ambhibious work, airmobile ops this was the longest and deepest campaign by
indian army ever I think.

perhaps out of necessity or inborn cunning, the british seem to have been masters at cobbling together ad-hoc units and raising "tribal levies" in the north east too. I had only heard it in context of the north west frontier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lushai_Brigade

its a pity independent india made a hash of things and let every state there erupt into armed terrorist bands which took decades to weed out.
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manekshaw was wounded in action in burma
the commonwealth war graves commission maintains (ed) a web site of all indian dead in burma, remember looking through it many years ago, you get a sense of events from the names and places
the burma campaign was very hard fought, atrocious terrain, fierce enemy
and the spectre of the INA in the backdrop
'the forgotten war'
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http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/commo ... cost-45926
So the Army is now expected to spend 11 crores for the help it's been asked to provide.
Nine hundred jawans and 60 officers of the armed forces are being stationed at those venues. The Army has also spent close to 8 crores renovating its hostels where it was asked to house 2500 artists who are in Delhi to practice for and perform at the opening ceremony.
In return, Urban Development Minister Jaipal Reddy, who heads a group of ministers in charge of managing the Games, has written to the Army on August 11, asking that it waive its Rs. 11 crore bill. Effectively, the Army will have to dip into the Defence fund.
An audit by the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India faulted Team Kalmadi just a few weeks ago for spending close to 5 crores to renovate the office of the Indian Olympic Committee (IOC) in South Delhi - an office which the Games' organisers occupied for just a few months.
Why Why Why in the name of the good lord should Army pick up the pieces for these losers!!! :x :x :x

Sometimes I feel with a loser of a polity like this, may this country doesn't deserve an Army (all Armed Forces for that matter) it has. In times like this in utter frustration I think if only, if only some our generals were like their Paki counterparts. May be mid night raid on their houses and few massacres of a few hi fi families will put the teach them to treat the forces with more respect.... :x :x :x

I hope the games are the biggest flop of the millenium. I hope the IOC's face is rubbed in the mud. I hope IOC gets banned from conducting any further games.

My only fear is that its only a matter of time before the Army is even called out for anti Maoist duties, may be then our so called or so potrayed all Strong Man of a Home Minister will ask some question to his beloved IPS babus as to why the CRPF is in such a rump.

This Sucks... Sucks.... Sucks.... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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