Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 10 Aug 2010 07:06

kmkraoind wrote:Why wait for a revolution?

Considering that India donated all of five million dollars to the United States to bail out the super-rich superpower when Hurricane Katrina struck that country in 2005, could it not at least make the gesture of an offer to Pakistan? Both were more helpful to each other on previous occasions. Perhaps India and Pakistan need to learn from their respective fanatics on how to help their neighbours when the chips are down. The liberals not to mention the left are notorious for watching very meaningfully from the sidelines.
This man, Jawed Naqvi, seems to be retarded. He spews entirely bile, but at the end becomes a beggar without ethics.

I suspect he is an Indian with paki sympathies....the guy should be thrown over the wagah border...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Aug 2010 07:23

^^^rumor doing the rounds in little birdie circles.....

TSP may accept, quietly perhaps, to rent out areas in balochistan for the outsourcing of paschimi prisons....its getting too costly for the paschim to maintain its large restive prison populns, apparently.... And they're also frantically looking for extracting some value outa of the monies they're anyway paying tsp.

Very speculative piece, so TIFWIW....

Maybe Yindia too can do a deal and send over RNIs like Ja-wed-a-goat Naqvi to the tsp they seem to love so much ....

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 10 Aug 2010 07:42

Reminds me of French bad guy's plans for Britain in Johnny English movie

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Aug 2010 08:16

Havent been following the TSP dhaaga as thoroughly for the past week -- so apologies if this has been already posted. This is from the "Indians in Pakistan" blog (written by the wife of PTI reporter in Pakistan).

http://indiansinpakistan.blogspot.com/2 ... aafir.html

We have a Pakistani Hindu family living in our neighbourhood. The first time I heard about them was when they refused to let out their servant quarter to someone I had known. “Woh log bhi aapke India sai hain,” I was told. ...Once I was giving my address to a shopkeeper, who knew I was Indian. He heard me out and said, “Ek aur Indian ka ghar bhi toh hai wahan…” I told the shopkeeper that he got the address right but the family he was referring to was not “Indian”. “Par woh Hindu hain na…,” he tailed.

I was reminded of the shopkeeper’s remark when a young Hindu man’s coffin was marked “kaafir” (infidel) in black and then highlighted with red. Prem Chand was among the 152 people killed when an airliner crashed into the majestic Margalla Hills last week. Prem Chand, 25, was a bright spark and was a member of the Youth Parliament. He was flying along with five other parliamentarians to Islamabad to attend a session.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Aug 2010 08:20

Prem wrote:The Cabinet Mission Plan —Ishit aq Ahmed
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2
For example, Jinnah demanded a 50-50 Muslim representation whereas the Muslim population at that time was only 24.9 percent of the total population of India.

In Jinnah's 14 points, he wanted 33% representation. So he increased his demands to 50% later? Or is it something else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points_of_Jinnah

In the Central Legislature, Muslim representation shall not be less than one third.

No bill or any resolution or any part thereof shall be passed in any legislature or any other elected body if three-fourth of the members of any community in that particular body oppose such a bill resolution or part thereof on the ground that it would be injurious to the interests of that community or in the alternative, such other method is devised as may be found feasible and practicable to deal with such cases.

No cabinet, either central or provincial, should be formed without there being a proportion of at least one-third Muslim ministers.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Aug 2010 09:27

Understanding Pakistan's military
http://www.opendemocracy.net/anatol-lie ... s-military

Speaking of the average Pakistani officer of today, however, Lt General (retd) Tanvir Naqvi told me that:
“He has no doubt in his mind that the adversary is India, and that the whole raison d’etre of the Army is to defend against India. His image of Indians is of an anti-Pakistan, anti-Muslim, treacherous people. So he feels that he must be always ready to fight against India.”

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 10 Aug 2010 09:34

Here is another good one

Sadler wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38621584/ns/weather

Witchking
Puke-i-stain the country that protects Bin-Laden, the country that protects al-Zawahiri, the country that protects Mullah Omar, the country that harbors the Taliban the country that the Times Square Bomber was trained in, the country that hates America. Let them all die... Allah be praised!

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Aug 2010 10:04

I think, this all bigger-than-tsunami flood thing could be another paki prapoganda to collect more money. They are affected, sure, but may not be that extend. Otherwise why entire world is not running to help? This single digit mil$ help could be a sign that countries are taking cautious approach on buying paki hype.
Even I think, 10% knows the severity, he went to carry on his tour, and now PA is shooting two birds; one take as much money as you can and stab 10% for abandoning the situation.

JMHO.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 10 Aug 2010 10:14

According to news in the media,around 101 million$ have been pledged to help Pakis tackle this 'kuran-ic' floods. They say around 14 million people have been affected..thats like less than 10$/person IF there is no siphoning off the funds by their politicians,babus and military..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Aug 2010 10:59

abhijitm wrote:I think, this all bigger-than-tsunami flood thing could be another paki prapoganda to collect more money.

Tsunami affected a large number of countries. Obviously, the flood situation, devastating as it is, cannot be bigger than the overall damages caused by tsunami in all the countries put together. No, the Pakistanis are referring to the Tsunami effect in India and India alone. After all, shouldn't they be one up on India in everything ?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Aug 2010 11:05

Any help to Pakistanis is blasphemy. It is an uncalled for intervention in Allah's work!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 10 Aug 2010 11:07

Ambar wrote:According to news in the media,around 101 million$ have been pledged to help Pakis tackle this 'kuran-ic' floods. They say around 14 million people have been affected..thats like less than 10$/person IF there is no siphoning off the funds by their politicians,babus and military..

10$ could go a long way per person for the actual victims... keep families fed with rudimentary shelter and clothing for a short time at least. What Dus Burjenti is ticked off about is that there is nothing to siphon off... 10% of the disaster aid is only $1 per person! Not enough to maintain Bilawal's expensive tastes in London for even one year probably.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 10 Aug 2010 11:11

Guddu wrote:
I suspect he is an Indian with paki sympathies....the guy should be thrown over the wagah border...

He belongs to ROP, what else to expect?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Aug 2010 11:33

Manishw wrote:
Guddu wrote:
I suspect he is an Indian with paki sympathies....the guy should be thrown over the wagah border...
He belongs to ROP, what else to expect?

Totally disagree, such generalizations have been our downfall, majority of the WKK brigade are not from Minorities and many minorities oppose these guys.

This is the reason how the secular forces have divided our thinking and made sure that minority never move with the majority

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 10 Aug 2010 11:38

Guddu wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:Why wait for a revolution?

This man, Jawed Naqvi, seems to be retarded. He spews entirely bile, but at the end becomes a beggar without ethics.
I suspect he is an Indian with paki sympathies....the guy should be thrown over the wagah border...

Guddu sir, are you referring me or the author. If you are referring me, you are surely mistaken, I am not the WKK type.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Aug 2010 11:41

ANP Chief Asfandyar Wali Khan's sister target attacked in Peshawar

Dr Gulalai, sister of Awami National Party central president Asfandyar Wali Khan, escaped an attempt on her life on Monday, party spokesman said.

Taliban have accepted responsibility for attacks on senior ANP leaders in the recent past. ANP President Asfandyar Wali Khan was targeted by a suicide bomber in 2008, Senior Minister Bashir Bilour was attacked several times and MPA Dr Shamsher Ali Khan was killed last year in a suicide attack in Swat while KP Information Minister Iftikhar Hussain’s son was gunned down last month in Pabbi. {There are some glaring omissions from the list. The Interior Minister in Musharraf's regime, Sherpao, was targetted not less than 4 times in Charsadda. So has been the 83-year old Afzal Khan Lala, the sole ANP MPA to fight the Taliban.}

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 10 Aug 2010 11:52

Manishw wrote:
Guddu wrote:
I suspect he is an Indian with paki sympathies....the guy should be thrown over the wagah border...
He belongs to ROP, what else to expect?

Manishw, humble request. lets not get carried away. Belonging to RoP doesn't mean it is being pro-Paki.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 10 Aug 2010 11:52

Muppalla wrote:Halal, halal, halal ... ... ...
I don't know why they have to print that way
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Comp ... id-8x2.jpg

http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/pr-10080509.html

More than 436,000 halal meals from U.S. stocks in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the region have been delivered to civilian and military officials in Pakistan, a contribution of $3.25 million.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Aug 2010 12:15

SSridhar wrote: Tsunami affected a large number of countries. Obviously, the flood situation, devastating as it is, cannot be bigger than the overall damages caused by tsunami in all the countries put together. No, the Pakistanis are referring to the Tsunami effect in India and India alone. After all, shouldn't they be one up on India in everything ?

Absolutely, and they are not even close. ~13000 vs ~1700.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 10 Aug 2010 12:15

milindc wrote: Manishw, humble request. lets not get carried away. Belonging to RoP doesn't mean it is being pro-Paki.

Sorry if I have come out sounding that way.Many of my very good friends belong to the ROP and they are as nationalistic as anybody, but subscribing to this ideology (either willingly or unwillingly) means supporting an ideology which has R***d my motherland for the last thousand years and continue to do so.Hope you understand and take it in a positive spirit.Will be more careful in future posts.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 10 Aug 2010 12:29

@kmkraoind Sir,I can't claim to speak on behalf of Guddu sir but I think he was not referring to you at all.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Aug 2010 13:33

Look,let's not be gleeful over the floods in Pak.Humans are suffering on both sides of the LOC.The same weather phenomenon is affecting India in Ladakh and J&K too where we have lost many hundreds of souls of India with many missing.Leh has been devastated.Here is the reason for the floods,some may also note that this is coinciding with the most massive solar eruptions (predicted by the Mayans-events culimnating in "2012"),also called a "tsunami" aimed at earth which NASA,etc. say could produce EM catastrophe affecting all EM devices on the planet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... oding.html

Pakistan floods: supercharged jet stream 'causing flooding'
A highly-charged jet stream is contributing to the worse floods Pakistan has seen in decades, meteorologists have said .

The jet stream, a massive ring of high speed winds, is moving quicker than usual over north western Pakistan, causing wet monsoon air to be sucked faster and higher into the atmosphere.

The stream, which is normally too high to affect every day weather but does influence large scale weather patterns by shifting the atmosphere around, is "supercharging" the monsoon, leading to some of the heaviest rainfall in memory.

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Scientists say the hyperactive jet stream is also causing deadly landslides in China and the drought in Russia, which is leading to wildfires.

The stream has split in two with one section heading north over Russia and the other going south over the Himalayas into Pakistan. Experts say it is very unusual for the stream to head that far south.

On Monday the United Nations rated the floods in Pakistan as the greatest humanitarian crisis in recent history with more people affected than the South-East Asian tsunami and the recent earthquakes in Kashmir and Haiti combined.

Although the current 1,600 death toll in Pakistan represents a tiny fraction of the estimated 610,000 people killed in the three previous events, some two million more people – 13.8 million – have suffered losses requiring long or short-term help.

With this catastrophe,the demons in charge of Pak,will have their hands full for months if not years to come and hopefully their capacity for devilry aimed at India will lessen.However,it does not mean that we must lower our guard as there is NO change in Pak's military stance or attitude towards India.

If the west truly want to help Pak,then they must tell Pak that Pak will get NO money for military ware and should instead spend it on disaster relief and re-building their infrastructure.This is an ideal time for the intl. coimmunity to pressurise Pak to reduce its militayr spending as a pre-requisite for any relief money.Pak cannot be the world'as chief exporter of terror and parasitically live off the aid give to it mant to alleviate the sufferings of its people.

Maurizio Giuliano, a spokesman for the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said: "This disaster is worse than the tsunami, the 2005 Pakistan earthquake and the Haiti earthquake."

The comparison illustrates the scale of the crisis facing Pakistan as its inefficient and corrupt bureaucracy battles to mitigate the effects of the flooding.

The scale of the disaster:

The disaster zone stretches from the Swat Valley in the north, where 600,000 people are in need of help, to Sindh in the south.

Billions of pounds will be needed to rebuild affected areas but western nations have pledged only tens of millions in aid. Radical Islamic groups are jockeying to fill the vacuum left by government incompetence and relative international indifference.

Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, formerly North-West Frontier Province and scene of a bloody Taliban insurgency, has been devasted by swollen rivers. The steel girder bridge over the Khyali River in Charsadda which built by the British at the height of the Raj is a jagged stump. It was a vital gateway to the region and its loss has hampered the aid effort.

"There are people here who are 80 and who will tell you that they have seen nothing like it in their lives," said Arif Jabbar Khan, leading the Oxfam team in the town. "This was a productive agricultural area with a big middle class who have now lost everything. The effect of that will be enormously destabilising. There was a riot in town as people demanded food."

Beneath it, the brown waters of the swollen Khyali, three times its normal width, thundered southward over what had been homes and farms.

The problems here are being replicated across Pakistan. Of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa's population of 1.7 million, some one million have been made destitute by the flooding. The government has managed to distribute 10,000 food packs in the 10 days since the disaster. They will feed just 80,000 people.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 10 Aug 2010 14:07

can someone please find 'before and after' satellite images of the flood affected area? In days of tsunami scale of the damage was clearly visible. Here I am not able to find such evidence where billions of pounds are required to "rebuild" something.

James B · Post by **James B** » 10 Aug 2010 14:18

abhijitm wrote:can someone please find 'before and after' satellite images of the flood affected area? In days of tsunami scale of the damage was clearly visible. Here I am not able to find such evidence where billions of pounds are required to "rebuild" something.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... p?id=45091

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Aug 2010 14:19

why should western nations contribute anything? surely the ummah will look after their own first? KSA can give them $5Bn in ~~relief~~ takleef funds just like that

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 10 Aug 2010 14:26

^^^ But Lalmohan Ji the ummah understands our begging tricks so they dont give us anything, the kaffirs are the fools who do give alms but what happened to taller friend? $0 onlee

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Aug 2010 14:27

Lalmohan_. before that how about TSP selling all Amraam's, Erieye M-9's , M-11's and crown jewels, that will generate enough cash, that is if the Generals are bothered about the Mango Abdul.

Besides like they purchase ereye from Earthquake relief funds in 2005, they someone to fund the K-214 purchase

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 10 Aug 2010 14:34

^^^ Tauba-Tauba. 'Sharafat Ka Zamana hi Nahi hai'.What is this world coming to?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 10 Aug 2010 16:04

SSridhar wrote:
abhijitm wrote:I think, this all bigger-than-tsunami flood thing could be another paki prapoganda to collect more money.
Tsunami affected a large number of countries. Obviously, the flood situation, devastating as it is, cannot be bigger than the overall damages caused by tsunami in all the countries put together. No, the Pakistanis are referring to the Tsunami effect in India and India alone. After all, shouldn't they be one up on India in everything ?

Just for comparison---
Indian ocean tsunami killed over 230,000 people in fourteen countries.
Donations totalled over $7 billions.
In the table below given- Indian death toll around 12405 and estimated 18045.

KSA has paid about $30 million for tsunami
Look at the ummah. only KSA and kuwait are in top 20.

Puki expectations-- flood of dollahs

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Aug 2010 16:33

James B wrote: Paki flood images, before and after

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... p?id=45091

AoA onlee. No YYY cons-pee-raw-ciaaa can achieve this much success within such a short time

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Aug 2010 16:55

abhishek_sharma wrote: In Jinnah's 14 points, he wanted 33% representation. So he increased his demands to 50% later? Or is it something else?

Jinnah wanted parity in the interim government.

http://sites.google.com/site/cabinetmis ... in-numbers

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 Aug 2010 16:59

Only $102m aid pledged so far for Pakistan flood

Informed sources told Dawn on Monday that China had so far delivered to the government about $10 million worth of goods, including water filtration equipment, medicines, tents and electric generators

The Islamic Development Bank (IDB) has offered a soft loan of $10 million for flood relief but the response for the flood victims from most of the Muslim countries has so far been lacklustre. The sources said that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran and Indonesia had hinted at providing relief goods but economic affairs division (EAD) was yet to receive any confirmation. Saudi Arabia is reported to have sent some relief goods through non-government channels.

Islamic countries (IDB) is giving soft loans and then charging riba (interest) on it ! How dare they do something so unislamic when momeen have extracted free jiziya from yevil yahudi angrez and cheeni peepul

Saudi is channelling its aid via jamaat ud dawa and other agencies rather than TSPA.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Aug 2010 17:03

^^^ from one non-state actor to another to a state-less people
poetic justice

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 10 Aug 2010 17:05

Using diamonds in the sky might be a no-go http://tribune.com.pk/story/37398/using ... e-a-no-go/

One thought that scenes from the Bourne series might be re-enacted in Karachi as Interior Minister Rehman Malik announced that the government had hired satellite-imaging experts to hunt down those responsible for target killings.

Talking to the media at the CM House on Saturday, the interior minister had stated that experts through latest technology would identity the routes and locations of firing incidents and this would help the government monitor the movement of terrorists and other criminals. Upon identification, they could easily be arrested and if necessary, their hideouts could be demolished, he maintained. Security officials told The Express Tribune that there was no such system available as yet.

Hamid Gul’s spy games http://tribune.com.pk/story/34473/hamid ... spy-games/

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 10 Aug 2010 17:08

It is amazing, practically any website that reports this disaster attracts so much negative comments and comments expressing happiness at their plight. I am 400% sure most of them are from real goras, not us brf jingos posting with anglo names...though that might happen a lot too

...and a lot of Pakbarian animals trying to stem the tide with their fingers...

TSP can forget about being regarded as a civilised society of human beings for the lifetime of this generation...

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 Aug 2010 17:09

Now these are the kind of headline captions that will give paki H+D some real takleef

Perfidious Pakistan

Zardari's response was predictable. He began with the claim that Pakistan belongs to the "international community" which, roughly translated, means Pakistan claims legitimacy and is working to avoid the "state sponsor of terrorism" label that attaches to nations such as Iran and Syria. In the following sentence, he stated Pakistan's fear that its government would fall to the Taliban monster it created.

Flash forward about five years to a conversation I had with a Marine pal recently returned from Afghanistan. He told me how in his presence American intelligence officers handed the Pakistanis about thirteen single-spaced pages of what my friend characterized as actionable intelligence on the Taliban operating in the city of Quetta (the now-infamous "Quetta Shura"). The Pakistanis received the information and then did nothing with it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Aug 2010 17:12

Pakistan fails to get foreign aid in cash for flood relief

Last year, the Friends of Democratic Pakistan (FoDP) decided that thenceforth, they would not give cash to Pakistanis and would give only in kind whenever the Pakistanis beg. They are implementing that decision and therefore we do not see any cash payments. What a banana country this Pakistan is ! How can one be so shameless ? This is an extraordinarily thick-skinned country that will put to shame a hippo (Sorry hippo for comparing you with the Pakistanis, that was only about the thickness of the skin. Hope you understand.)

Pakistan has not received even a single penny from multilateral and bilateral donors in shape of hard cash for providing emergency assistance to the worst-ever flood affected areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh and the Punjab, it is learnt.

Although, Pakistan has so far remained unable to generate foreign assistance in the shape of hard cash but Islamabad is going to request the United Nations for flash appeal of $400 million to $500 million for helping authorities to undertake relief phase for the flood-affected areas in the next couple of days.

Out of total commitment of $94.8 million from all donors for providing emergency rescue and relief efforts in the flood-hit areas, Islamabad has got assistance in the shape of goods and services only and no hard cash is so far available to the PPP-led regime due to a variety of reasons, including trust deficit being cited as major impediment in the way of receiving money.{Look at the Pakiness here. The underlined portion should have read 'giving money'. Instaed the report sounds as though Pakistan doesn't trust 'receiving money'}

Except Islamic Development Bank (IDB), no other donor has even bothered to commit any hard cash.

When contacted, Minister of State for Economic Affairs, Hina Rabbani Khar, told The News that the emergency assistance usually received in shape of goods and services and hard cash started pouring in at the stage of relief operation.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 Aug 2010 17:13

I wish this headline comes true in near future .......... Ameen

UPDATE 1-Pakistan floods cause "major" harm to economy-IMF

The less disposable income abduls have the less will be their appetite to wage jeehaad in neighbourhood. Less kuspoo's get slaughtered in Eid and less goat skins for Jamaat to collect. Less spare time on hands of mango abduls hand to cheer TSPA and its lashkar allies.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 Aug 2010 17:25

Accentuating the negatives

What David Cameron had said during his visit to India, was irresponsible, naïve and reflected extreme insensitivity to the role that Pakistan was playing in the war on terror as a frontline state. The government of Pakistan, the people, intellectuals and media rightly felt incensed by that unimaginative indiscretion by the British Prime Minister. Whether he did it in one of his moments of levity or as a deliberate expression to please his hosts, it unnecessarily generated a negative fall out in the form of a diplomatic row between UK and Pakistan. The accusation sounded quite painful in view of the fact that it came from a major ally in the war against terrorism, more so because it fitted well into the Indian strategy of maligning Pakistan. It was indeed flabbergasting how conveniently he over-looked the Indian atrocities in Kashmir and its involvement in terrorist acts within Pakistan, especially in Balochistan

Usual rona dhona over Cameron's statements. We are victims of terror and we have given up so much for WOT

His remarks were ill-advised and uncalled for was also corroborated by the reaction of the British politicians and intellegentia. Former British foreign secretary David Miliband in an article in The Independent said that the words of the Prime Minister were “copious and created mess” In other words he committed a diplomatic faux pa. Britain’s Stop the War Council asked Cameron to apologize to Pakistani people for deeply hurting them. A former Director General of MI-5 Baroness Buller told the Chilcot panel “ I am surprised that Cameron had the nerve to say such a thing. By speaking in India against Pakistan David Cameron has renewed tensions between the two nations. He has become part of the proxy war between Pakistan and India and has clearly taken Indian side. This should not be the role of the British Prime Minister.” Nick Clegg, Deputy Prime Minister also distanced himself from what Cameron said. Similarly a number of MPs and leaders of the Muslim community also rubbished his utterances.

Looks like Mulla Milliband is the new favourite poster boy for pakis.

Undoubtedly, the utterances of the British Prime Minister constituted an unpalatable diplomatic provocation but what our politicians and a section of the media proposed, was also not desirable from the perspective of handling bilateral and international relations. In suggesting this course of action the basic premise was that in the backdrop of the outlandish statement of the British Prime Minister, the visit of the President will tantamount to compromising the national honour. Opposition leader Nawaz Sharif particularly was the most vociferous in stressing this point. Just for the sake of an argument one may ask him, where was the national honour when he dashed to Washington for a photo session with Bill Clinton and beg him to persuade India for a ceasefire in Kargil ? This rhetoric of national honour was too familiar to breed the proverbial contempt. In Pakistan, national honour, unfortunately is extensively used as the last resort by the hypocrites and as a first button hole by the scoundrels.

Now discussion about chot to H&D by successive politicians. What about TSPA. Wait they are above all faults so all the blame for H&D loss must fall on politicians

Relations between states are conducted in consonance with the internationally recognized diplomatic norms and require a deft and visionary approach. They cannot be fall prey to such statements and consequent impulsive responses. Such an approach can further exacerbate the damage. In the conduct of international relations, dialogue through continued engagement and keeping the channels of communication open is invariably a preferred option and arguably the most effective way of promoting understanding and resolving the conflicts.

Apart from the authors usage of cambridge dictionary to tell something as simple as definition of diplomacy. He needs to simplyfy it and feed it to that slime ball Qureshi who made a tamasha few weeks ago and is repeating it now.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Aug 2010 17:28

Pakistan says poverty had halved
Apparently, a World Bank report says this.

Quoting from the World Bank's July 30 report, "Country Partnership Strategy," the writer, Mehtab Haider, reported that the percentage of Pakistanis living the below poverty line had fallen from 34.5 per cent in 2001-02 to 17.2 per cent in 2007-08.

Why is the government so reluctant in releasing the poverty figures? There are two reasons for this. First, as Mehtab Haider has said "poverty reduced to half in Musharraf's regime…" The government wanted to suppress the figures because it never wanted to tell the people that they inherited only 17.2 per cent people living below the poverty line. Furthermore, it was politically suicidal to admit that poverty reduced to one-half in just six years during "Musharraf's regime".

Secondly, the government had formed a "Panel of Economists" headed by Dr Hafiz A Pasha in April 2008. The panel found that 35-40 per cent of the population was living below poverty line in 2007-08–up from 22.3 per cent in 2005-06.

the report (page 8 ) said: "Pakistan saw an impressive decline in poverty during 2001-02--2007-08; the share of the population living in poverty halved, down from 34.5 per cent in 2001-02 to 17.2 per cent in 2007-08. Both urban and rural areas saw significant reductions.

"This progress was made possible by growth in real per adult consumption expenditures and declining inequality during 2005-06--2007-08. Key human development indicators of educational attainment, health outcomes, and unemployment rates corroborate these trends through 2007-08."

Even a cursory look at these figures would reveal that not only poverty declined sharply in Pakistan from 2001-02 to 2007-08 but inequality was reduced as well. Meanwhile, social indicators improved and the unemployment rate dropped.

How did all these things happen in a country where nobody invests, tax collections are abysmal, whose economy has not set a scorching pace, where population is growing at 3.3% yoy, where terrorism rules the roost, whose export income dependent on just cotton and cotton-related products has taken a hit after the dismantling of preferential treatment etc. etc. ?

This certainly is a fudging of the highest order, a la shortcut Shaukat Aziz.