Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

[shiv]

Where is Gagan when you need him?

There has been flooding in Attock Khurd and Hazro - which lie of either side of Kamra Air base. Kamra itself is only a stone's throw away from a major canal. Likely that the environs around Kamra have seen flooding. Has there been some movement to protect the crown jewels?

[shiv]

There are good chances that Sargodha has seen some flooding.

[Sanjay M]

[R_Kumar]

Wah Wah, 10 %'s pakhanastan, is number 10 in the hell on earth rankings.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ?page=0,10

Here is one Paki comment.

only good for propaganda purposes

Having Pakistan at number 10 and India at number 87 is absurd. Taliban insurgency currently covers 2-5% of Pakistan's territory which is generally considered inaccessible and has never been legally governed by Pakistan in the first place. Approximately 10-30% of indian territory is under Naxal influence with a plethora of insurgencies all over the land mass. Poverty rate in Pakistan is 23% compared with India's poverty rate of 43% according to UNDP. Inflation rate is roughly the same in both countries which stands at 10% where as GDP per capita incomes are the same. Insurgency related deaths are almost the same in both countries and sectarian and religious conflicts are equally explosive in both places. Can anyone explain to me the huge difference. And how does India able to beat even countries like China.

[sinha]

India should propose this before the UN, as a humanitarian solution to the suffering of flood-affected Pakistani people.

why do we have to fall for this waiting trap again. Happens again and again with talks too.
Beggars cant be choosers and the bluff has to be called.
Find some other place on earth where relief is needed and India should say we diverted it there with an added line that looks like Paki govt doesnt care for its citizens else they would hv asked for it by now.
win win for us.

[Rudradev]

If india is do any thing inside TSP. It must be under the Indian Flag and not under teh UN flag. Let the khans work under the UN flag if they are so anxious to help TSP.

The point is not for India to DO anything... the Pakis will have a meltdown at the implied blow to H&D and refuse the idea in any case. The point is to make the offer

[kmkraoind]

Pakistan Swaps Rise to Five-Week High on Concern Flood to Worsen Debt Load

Bad karma is catching up very fast and adding salt to injury and evil yindoos have conquered all over the world.

“There will be a tolerance for a higher fiscal deficit because the floods have caused a lot of damage,” Sanjay Mathur, chief Asia emerging markets economist at Royal Bank of Scotland, said in a phone interview from Singapore. “The more worrying aspect is the impact as far as social instability is concerned, as that’s an explicit part of a country’s credit rating.”

[Suppiah]

Insurgency related deaths are almost the same in both countries..

They don't teach this Pakbaric animal in the madrasah that if you are 1/7th the size and have same deaths, that is 7 times bigger a problem...

[Philip]

India was slow off the mark in offering relief.Bad form.When a neighbour,even as pestilential as Pak is facing this unprecented human catastrophe,our humanity which we pride ourselves upon should've been seen by the world at large.Here again MMS has shown himself to be perpetually "on the horns of a dilemma".Poor leadership yet again.We missed an opportunity to show the Pakis the true face of India.Nevertheless,even if we had done so earlier,the result would've been the same-a stony silence from the Pakis,who true to form are cutting their noses off to spite their face.Under military domination,the uniformed tribes of Pak have their nation by the ghoulies and are so steeped in their hatred of India that even if they were sinking in quicksand,they would try and drag an Indian into the bog who was trying to save them! So where do we send our aid?

Ultimately it will only be a concerted international effort through the UN that can aleviate Paki suffering and it is here that the UN yet again is showing how it is full of Bunkum.Bunkum Moon,sorry.....Ban-Ki boy, cannot even speak with authority when in Pak and cannot convince the world to save Paki souls,suffering in the most desperate and tragic circumstances.The "image" of Pak as many of its citizens ruefully admit is why such aid has been so lethargic.The export of Islamist terrorism which has its global HQ in Pindi is the reason why the world seems to want Pak to literrally drown.Such huge disasters are becoming commonplace every year,affecting countries all across the globe.Under UN authority,a special division should be immediately set up to tackle such disasters armed with the neccessary authority and logistic infrastructure to move swiftly in the aftermath of disasters,which we all know,the natural diasters, come in the form of floods,drought,famine,cyclones and hurricanes,earthquakes,fires,etc.

The fallout of the floods is what is now going to accelerate.I fear that the political fallout will be as bad as the floods themselves.If flood waters are diverted to Baluchistan to save Sindh and the Punjab,drowining poor Baluchis,then the remnants of the glue that holds Pak together will further evaporate and separatism will become rampant,aided and abetted by the motley ethnic and religious entities that plague Pak.With the "centre" (Paki army and ISI) looking like it is out of control and unable to provide substantial relief,we may see a revolution on the streets very soon just as one saw in Iran.Naipaul got it wrong,the "mutinies" he wrote about will take place not in India but across the border!

[SSridhar]

Wah Wah, 10 %'s pakhanastan, is number 10 in the hell on earth rankings.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ?page=0,10

Here is one Paki comment.

Poverty rate in Pakistan is 23%

Oh no. This Pakistani mard is not fully knowledgeable about his own country. The poverty rate has gone down to 17% already as per the UN report, based on data furnished by GoP. The gap between Pakistan and India is increasing every single day. AoA onlee.

[Manish_Sharma]

...Will try to search on these lines.

You can also check 23rd page....

Btw...Karna ji...I did read up some material on www about his philosophy...it appeared to me that he was just pointing out the demerits of Capitalism and Communism...and coming to Islamism...he pointed out few "things" and the same was highlighted in other religions too....basically..he criticized all religions no? didn't read any such prophecy of Islamism having a violent death. I just gave a quick glance on wiki and couple of websites....I am not sure if I have missed it.

TIA

Sorry for the OT

Checked page 20, 23 and googled around, only realisation is my retardedness in working out these clues. Please end my misery by emailing this link on manishsharma_690 at yahoo dat com

I would be very very grateful, the suspense is killing me..........

[Neela]

Ultimately it will only be a concerted international effort through the UN that can aleviate Paki suffering and it is here that the UN yet again is showing how it is full of Bunkum.Bunkum Moon,sorry.....Ban-Ki boy, cannot even speak with authority when in Pak and cannot convince the world to save Paki souls,suffering in the most desperate and tragic circumstances.The "image" of Pak as many of its citizens ruefully admit is why such aid has been so lethargic.The export of Islamist terrorism which has its global HQ in Pindi is the reason why the world seems to want Pak to literrally drown.Such huge disasters are becoming commonplace every year,affecting countries all across the globe.Under UN authority,a special division should be immediately set up to tackle such disasters armed with the neccessary authority and logistic infrastructure to move swiftly in the aftermath of disasters,which we all know,the natural diasters, come in the form of floods,drought,famine,cyclones and hurricanes,earthquakes,fires,etc.

I think it has been several years now since the first reports of Pakistan's duplicity started coming out.
Wikeleaks exposed and exacerbated what was there for a long time. The comments on various blogs, articles are a sign of prevalent attitudes among most people across the world! From Seattle to Seoul, despite the worst calamity, people have been pouring scorn, ridicule and plain mouth-frothing anger at Pakistan.
If I were a politician in NoName-istan or charity worker for World Fitness Organisation, I would think twice about committing aid or campaigning for donations for Pakistan...I want people to open their purse strings in the future as well. Not just now. And prevalent attitudes amongst the people against Pakistan is surely something I would closely monitor.I do not want to loose my political standing or my future philanthropists by being seen doing something for Pakistan!

Comparing the world reaction for Haiti and Pakistan: newspapers and new channels across the globe covered the disaster in such detail and foreign aid workers were all over the place. Billions pledged!
2 weeks into the disaster and the UN is still calling for aid!

MVHO. Take it for FWIW!

PS: I am conveniently ignoring the British response...they have places like Bradfordistan where votes matter

[Venkarl]

I would be very very grateful, the suspense is killing me..........

sarkar check your email.

[jamwal]

One of the biggest tributaries of Indus is Shyok which gets most of it's waters from Nubra which originates from Siachen which in turn is occupied by India. No prizes for guessing who or what caused Indus to dry up just 1 month back and now flooding 20% of Pakistan.

[Sudip]

Will Pakistan's Floods Take Down the Economy and the President?

These days I dont know whether I should laugh at their situation or cry. Someone said an unstable pakistan is good for us. But how unstable would be good for us!! Getting too close to a black hole cant be too good either!!

[CRamS]

Heard Quereshi on NPR/BBC this evening begging with arrogance. According to him, if US/west does not dole out huge moolah, "extremists" will step in. And he waxes along eloquently on why people in need of water and food will not care if its from an extremist or somebody else. (The first laugh I got was how casually these RAPE slime balls will sell their jihadis in a heartbeat. It was mentioned in the report that groups like LET/JUD have been stepping up, and I hope Hafeez Saeed heard that Quereshi labeled him an extremist). But the unasked question was where do the extremists get all their moolah from to feed the flood-stricken victims? .

[Pratyush]

@ Arnab, minor quible with your post it is $hituation and not situation.

[abhishek_sharma]

^ Punjab Govt gave them money from their funds. And it did not have money for the victims of Daata Durbar attacks.

[Sudip]

One of the biggest tributaries of Indus is Shyok which gets most of it's waters from Nubra which originates from Siachen which in turn is occupied by India. No prizes for guessing who or what caused Indus to dry up just 1 month back and now flooding 20% of Pakistan.

Pakistan Floods Caused Due to Water Release by India

Any expert opinions on this?

[Lalmohan]

^^^ diversionary tactic to keep mango abdul focused on the existential threat from bad baniyas across border

[amit]

Pakistan Floods Caused Due to Water Release by India

Any expert opinions on this?

Boss, why do you need an expert opinion on this? As none of the zillion dams that India has built on the Indus and its tributaries are bang on the border with Flushistan (what with so much water flushing down the land) any water release would first flood Indian territory and then the land of the pure. Apart from the flash floods in Leh, which was caused by a cloud burst, have you heard of any Indian flooding?

[Pratyush]

Any expert opinions on this?

Why do you need expert comments on the matter? If its a paki source then is confirmed case of nuttyness. No opinions needed.

[Sudip]

Pakistan Floods Caused Due to Water Release by India

Any expert opinions on this?

Boss, why do you need an expert opinion on this? As none of the zillion dams that India has built on the Indus and its tributaries are bang on the border with Flushistan (what with so much water flushing down the land) any water release would first flood Indian territory and then the land of the pure. Apart from the flash floods in Leh, which was caused by a cloud burst, have you heard of any Indian flooding?

Yes, I understand the irony. Even the world bank proved that everything is fine with the indus water treaty, but I find it disturbing that news agencies can openly create such baseless and extremely evil news headlines in such times of despair which would sow the seeds for the next generation of jihadis

[Manishw]

^^^ Stay on Arunabh Ji and learn more about PorXistan.

[Lalmohan]

its a pakistani newspaper, and we learned recently (relearned) from no less than the beeb that all journalists in pakistan operate under a military 'license' - therefore, what gets published is what the army wants the world to hear

[Pratyush]

That is to say that the good army of TSP is wishing a solution of Cash-mear at it terms. Unless it is done the "innocent genociadial People" of TSP will always be suffring from the actions of Hindu majority India. That is too scared to fight the glorious army of TSP on the battlefield.

[Sudip]

aur is naqshe ke saath mai guruo ki kripa se eek BRFite ban gaya

[niran]

Will Pakistan's Floods Take Down the Economy and the President?

These days I dont know whether I should laugh at their situation or cry. Someone said an unstable pakistan is good for us. But how unstable would be good for us!! Getting too close to a black hole cant be too good either!!

it is another give us freeride or else..... article. notice the wordings

Last week, World Bank president Robert Zoellick said the floods have destroyed crops worth around $1 billion. By conservative Pakistani estimates, the figure is at least double. Some 17 million acres of agricultural land have been submerged, and more than 100,000 animals have perished. On the road to Rahimabad, the carcasses of buffalo lie on the side of the road, scavenged by wild dogs under clouds of flies.

this makes WB Zoellick is a lyin infedel, right? when they have been unable to reach all of the victims
how in the name of farting animals this "100,000 animals perished" came about, djin tech perhaps.

look carefully at the album purportedly about what victims were able to save, photo 2 to 9 are of the same compound. i see no widespread devastation which the article seems to portray.
all in all a shitty article should be flushed away as the natural flushing in poakistan.

[Chinmayanand]

Pakistan floods: World Bank to lend $900m for recovery

[Hari Seldon]

The floods are gawdsent for papistan.

Now they can blame the floods in addition to other bogies such as Yindia, cashmere, newclear flashpoint, terrorism, frontline all-lie, etc etc only for their relative backwardness and socio-ekhanomic woes. Only.

How chweet. Floods were a total black swan after all. As unanticipateble as the sunroof lever and the lampbost. After all. Only.

AoA indeed.

[Pratyush]

Another 900 Million $ that are un-earned income of TSP that dont have to be paid back. Just how much more Jazia will TSP recieve?

[SSridhar]

Lament by DT

Even though the spectre of donor fatigue is looming in the forefront of a drastic cut in aid — compared to the 2005 earthquake response — and the world is being cautious with its money as the recipient is a Pakistani government with a controversial reputation, it must be acknowledged that it is the Western countries, with the US leading the way, that are at the top of the donor list. With this acknowledgement should come the realisation that the Muslim ummah the world over has failed to respond in the same manner. It is shocking that the Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) has yet to voice strong support to Pakistan in its darkest hour and it is astonishing that Muslim countries Pakistanis defend with such passion (such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, etc), have contributed so poorly. {Saudi Arabia is OK. But, when has Pakistan defended Kuwait & Egypt 'passionately' ?} When they have contributed it has largely been through organisations like the Red Crescent.

[Lalmohan]

why only yesterday abu jehadi al-misri and abu gaddha al-kuwaiti were provided shelter by the ISI in FATA... strong support indeed

(besides, i hear that learning egyptian hieroglyphics and the coptic language are now going to become mandatory in pakistani schools) (sarc off/)

[wig]

I would be very very grateful, the suspense is killing me..........

sarkar check your email.

thanks in advance

[SSridhar]

Floods & the President

Cameron’s predecessor Gordon Brown had time and again alleged that 75 percent of terrorist activities can be trailed back to Pakistan. Hillary Clinton, Admiral Mullen, Holbrooke, Karzai and of course Manmohan Singh and many others around the world have made similar charges against Pakistan. So, do we break relations with everybody and childishly tell them “we are not talking to you”?

First, the only way to stop the world from labelling us as a citadel of terrorism is to improve our behaviour. We have to distance ourselves from all such jihadi organisations that are considered as an asset by our national security managers. These groups are actually a great diplomatic liability. The reliance on such non-state actors is because our establishment feels insecure against India. Some of their apprehensions may be real but the answer is positive and better international diplomacy rather than relying on the support of the militants who are international pariahs and consider them our first line of defence in the east and future partners in the northwest.

Secondly, the only wise approach is to improve our communication with the world powers so that they understand Pakistan’s threat perception better. The more we communicate the more they would be able to provide us civilised solutions and support that may wean our establishment away from using the jihadist option.

[Lalmohan]

^^^ another indirect threat against everyone, give us what we want or we allow the jehadists to take over

[A_Gupta]

The luck of the Pakistani:

Police have arrested a wanted Pakistani man, reports Al-Watan Arabic daily. According to security sources the man had been sentenced in absentia for a total of 20 years imprisonment in connection with several crimes.

The man aroused police suspicion while in Salmiya and when police asked him for his ID, he said he did not carry it. His appearance fooled the cops, because he was dressed in dishdasha and spoke in a Kuwaiti dialect. However, when police asked him for his name, he gave the name of a Kuwaiti person and to his bad luck, the name of the Kuwaiti which he gave was wanted by law to serve a life term. When he gave his actual name, police found he is the most wanted person for re-charging cell phones of inmates at the Central Prison and committing several other crimes.

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDeta ... fault.aspx

[shravan]

Unexploded weapons posing threat to flood-hit areas

[krithivas]

Afganistan donates $1M to Pakistan flood victims.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-qs-06

[Philip]

Irfan Hussein laments on the harsh inflexibility of many sections of the Islamic community in matters of faith and its impact around the world.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -480-hh-13

Excerpt:Reclaiming the Faith.

Whenever I have written against the imposition of tribal customs in the modern era, I have been fiercely attacked by some readers as opposing what they term as ‘Islamic’ punishments. The reality is that almost invariably, it is women who bear the brunt of these archaic penalties. It seems they are the sole repositories of male ‘honour’. While honour killings of women are common in Muslim communities, we seldom hear of men committing suicide because they have been dishonoured by faithless or disobedient wives, daughters or sisters.

One problem is that not enough Muslims raise their voices in protest against this brutal treatment of women. When western critics express their anger against such violence, there is a tendency to close ranks and dismiss this criticism as somehow Islamophobic. To give readers a flavour of the reaction to the brutal flogging and murder of Bibi Sanubar, here’s I. Steele blogging on the online news magazine The First Post: “I hope those who did this never sleep again!”

I doubt if Mullah Daoud and his ilk will lose any sleep over the agony he inflicted on Bibi Sanubar. On the contrary, he probably enjoyed a good night’s rest, comforted by the thought that he had carried out God’s will.

Ian Robertson blogs: “The thinking which leads to this kind of behaviour is part of the culture of much of the Islamic world.… whether Nato pulls out of Afghanistan tomorrow or 10 years from now, the barbaric punishments will continue in sophisticated [!] Saudi Arabia, corrupt Pakistan and backward Afghanistan.”

These are only a couple of comments posted on one of dozens of the websites that reported Bibi Sanubar’s execution. While most civilised societies have abolished the death penalty, few Muslim countries have followed suit. There is a widespread sentiment that harsh punishments involving physical pain somehow serve as salutary examples.

However, judging from the Saudi experience, this has not happened. For centuries, criminals have had their heads, hands and feet chopped off in public after Friday prayers. Iran has had people stoned to death, flogged and hanged. In Pakistan, Gen Zia used to have political opponents flogged. None of these punishments had the desired effect. Crime and political dissent have continued unabated.

While I make no claim to Islamic scholarship, surely there is a strong case for ijtihad, or interpretation of the law in the light of changed circumstances, as laid down in the Holy Quran. Even though Ghazali closed the gates of ijtihad nearly 1,000 years ago, I am sure there are Muslim scholars who are competent to review the punishments laid down hundreds of years ago. Fiqh-i-Jafria (Shia faith) permits this eminently sensible concept to be put into practice, but followers of a couple of fiqhs of Ahle Sunnat have been frozen in the 12th century, at least in juridical terms. Indeed, many historians of Islam ascribe the Muslim world’s decline to the end of ijtihad.

This is not to suggest that Shias are much more progressive, judging from the words and actions of the ayatollahs of Iran. Every now and then, horror stories emerge from the Islamic Republic to remind us of what the people of that ancient land are going through.

When Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani was sentenced to be stoned to death for alleged adultery, her case attracted worldwide protests. Although the government has backed down and announced that she will not now be killed in that gruesome manner, her execution is still imminent.

On another note (no pun intended), Ayatollah Khamenei is reported as having recently denounced music on the grounds of frivolity. While conceding that in Islam, music was halal, or kosher, Iran’s supreme leader went on to say: “… promoting it and teaching it is not compatible with the highest values of the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic … It’s better that our dear youth spend their valuable time in learning science and essential and useful skills and fill their time with sport and healthy recreations instead of music.”

I doubt very much if the ayatollah’s words will cause Iran’s ‘dear youth’ to burn their CDs and scrap their iPods any time soon. Iran has a long and rich musical tradition, and for its leader to make such an eccentric pronouncement reveals yet again the wide gulf that now exists between the religious rulers of the country and its oppressed people. Even Zia at his most deluded was unable to stop Pakistanis from enjoying music.

Over the last two decades, anti-culture and inhuman currents have gained strength across much of the Muslim world. More and more, we have moved away from the liberal and tolerant mainstream. As extremists have set the agenda, the vast majority of Muslims have looked on in mute horror at what their faith has been transformed into. Surely it’s high time to reclaim it from the Taliban and the ayatollahs.