A look back at the partition

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Prem wrote: It wont happen till Kangreess torpedo national Security Institutions with reservation etc.
Prem-ji,
This is the main issue. Even if there is no reservation policy in place, there seems to be diktat that certain "minorities" be preferred in Central and State Govt. jobs. Remember, INC was close to do a religion based census in the armed forces?
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INC in AP under the uber sekoolaar previous dispension even implemented 4% reservations for them who have a first claim on India's resources. The picture is getting uglier *all over* India, something will give soon. Either INC will preside upon the demise of the Indic civilization or the aam admi will finally see the danger lurking all around, rise & hunt down all these alien adharmics till they are wiped out.
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BRFites currently in WB, how about the recent Hindu-Muslim clashes in Murshidabad? A friend from IF has sent me a link, and what the report says is definitely genuine for Murshidabad as I do have comm from the district.
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According to 2001 census, in Farakka block, Hindus are 36.65 % and Muslims are 62.76%. In the neighbouring Samsherganj block, Hindu 18.69% and Muslim 81.22%. In the whole of Murshidabad district, Hindu 35.92% and Muslim 63.67%. In Farakka area, MLA is Mainul Haque (Congress) and M.P. is Abul Hasnat Chowdhury (Congress). Both are Muslims. Mr. Parvez Siddiqui, the District Magistrate of this border district too is a Muslim.
Surinder,
all the villages mentioned as "affected" are known to me, as is the situation mentioned for the entire district and its "sadr" Bahrampur.. What the post says further down about the town itself is close to ground reality. You will also note the report about the Calcutta "mosque" building attempt. The Park Circus area mentioned is also one area I knew intimately as an activist - again the situation is correctly reported.

Do you see, why my signals went red long before? This is a general trend all over the Gangetic Valley. Moreover, something is there about the river itself being somehow a connecting theme in this phenomenon. I have been tracking through my contacts along UP, Bihar and WB. It seems the structure is spreading along the Ganges itself. Could be river based smuggling. From my activist days, I know that river smuggling is actually more difficult to track and keep under surveillance - as our river-police networks are very poor. They could be transporting both men and material as the other routes will be more under observation.

Ganga flows through the heart of Behrampur town.
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Brihaspati, That was one depressive link. We paid a huge price in 1947 (gave land) to solve the problem, but we still have it in our midst. The Sikhs of Punjab, are inviting trouble. What is wrong with us?

Added later: by the way Ganga does not flow in Punjab!!!
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^ I believe the recent "advise" to the Sikh community to get over the 84 riots is the first step by Kangress. The next will be to let go the memories of partition. Or is it the other way around? Maybe the harsh experiences of partition is already gone except for a some old timers.
The Hindu population has been made toothless by the erasure from the memory.
The feelings of Bengalis and Punjab are not given so much importance and anyway the core power centers , the gangetic plains where most of the rulers have come from have largely forgotten it. I meant forgotten in a way which no longer makes them wary, cautious and be ready to defend.
There is a feeling that partition is "long way back" in history in general populace and that it may not happen again.
Also I feel that educational history books have some strange effect in which people mentally divide history into pre 1947 and post 1947. There is a false feeling of security that all the bad things which happened pre 1947 would not happen again. JMT
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rkirankr wrote:
The feelings of Bengalis and Punjab are not given so much importance and anyway the core power centers , the gangetic plains where most of the rulers have come from have largely forgotten it. I meant forgotten in a way which no longer makes them wary, cautious and be ready to defend.
There is a feeling that partition is "long way back" in history in general populace and that it may not happen again.
Also I feel that educational history books have some strange effect in which people mentally divide history into pre 1947 and post 1947. There is a false feeling of security that all the bad things which happened pre 1947 would not happen again. JMT
This is amazing that even after 60+ years there is killing inside India because the person is a non-muslim and which was the basis for the partition. And here we have large number of people who do not remember the partition at all even in the middle of the killing.

It is also the media which has been used to create a sense of false hood about the world and surrounding which can dull the mind of an entire population.
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rkirankr wrote:Also I feel that educational history books have some strange effect in which people mentally divide history into pre 1947 and post 1947. There is a false feeling of security that all the bad things which happened pre 1947 would not happen again. JMT
Under the 'secular' rubric of Pandit Nehru, it was decided to 'bury' history for fear of offending largely the Muslims. Nehru felt that in order to prove India was a secular nation, unlike Jinnah's Pakistan, inconvenient portions of history had to be suppressed. This has been a double whammy when one discusses 'Partition' because on the one hand, Pakistan fabricates falsehood and India denies truth.
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Our's might be the second last generation to rememebr the Partition bloodshed.As we pass on the narrative to our children, i am not sure our grandkids will have any interest it. Nehru succeeded in his plan to erase the memories of ,millenium long horribe expreince of Indic Hindus, Sikhs, Bhuddhist etc .
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If you all study the details given in the link provided, it will be interesting to see how it is an uncanny re-enactment of the buildup to the Partition of 1947. But all this is happening now, and not in 1947.

There are people who try to shout that "looking back" is bad business. But I see that looking back is of utmost importance when that history or past is overshadowing the present and the future. Refusing to see the dots and connect them is suicidal at the very best, and a criminal collaboration in the grand and subtle scheme of reintroducing the Jinnaism through the backdoor at its worst.
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brihaspati wrote:If you all study the details given in the link provided, it will be interesting to see how it is an uncanny re-enactment of the buildup to the Partition of 1947. But all this is happening now, and not in 1947.

There are people who try to shout that "looking back" is bad business.
This re-enactment - can you identify the most important one. It looks like few people want to relive the past and try to change history from the present time. There is some blind folder and they are picking what they want.
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http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... cutta.html

In January 1947, the Calcutta Muslim League had a plan to Muslimize Calcutta and Asansol by settling Muslim refugees from Bihar there; by implementing a 50% Muslim quota rule in all government offices and companies and by nationalizing selected industries.

I have no information on whether the central committee of the Muslim League or Jinnah approved of these plans.
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This is from October 7, 1947, a letter from Sultan Ahmad Khan to M.A. Jinnah. It is an early display of current behavior:
For some months past vague and unconfirmed rumours of the Afghan Government's unfriendly attitude towards Pakistan were published in newspapers. But I did not believe these rumours because I felt that no Muslim State, worth the name, could have any but the most cordial good wishes for our new State which is destined, Insha Allah, to be the nucleus and bulwark of resurgent Islam in the world.

The authoritative news published in the newspapers a few days ago about Afghanistan's most uncalled-for and vicious opposition to Pakistan's membership of the U.N.O. and the jejune explanation broadcast the same night from Kabul have, however, confirmed the worst apprehension expressed by our press; the Afghan Government have openly danced an ugly jig, to the tune set by the bania wirepullers in Delhi, and have thereby betrayed not only a complete want of appreciation of the critical situation facinting the whole Islamic world today, but also shown an utter disregard for the brotherhood of Islam and the essential unity of the faithful.
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Excerpt of Minutes of the Meeting of Emergency Committee of the Cabinet, Karachi, Oct 15, 1947 :
The Quaid-i-Azam said that Pakistan, as the fifth largest state in the world, would have to exchange ambassadors with important countries like the USA. In smaller places, however, it would suffice to put in Charge d'affaires to begin with. From our point of view it was important that we should establish diplomatic relations with Belgium and Czechoslovakia and attempts should be made to find suitable representatives to be sent to those countries.
Why were Belgium and Czechoslovakia important for Pakistan in mid-October 1947??? Yes, Belgium was a member of the United Nations Security Council. Czechoslovakia was not, however.
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For some months past vague and unconfirmed rumours of the Afghan Government's unfriendly attitude towards Pakistan were published in newspapers. But I did not believe these rumours because I felt that no Muslim State, worth the name, could have any but the most cordial good wishes for our new State which is destined, Insha Allah, to be the nucleus and bulwark of resurgent Islam in the world.

The authoritative news published in the newspapers a few days ago about Afghanistan's most uncalled-for and vicious opposition to Pakistan's membership of the U.N.O. and the jejune explanation broadcast the same night from Kabul have, however, confirmed the worst apprehension expressed by our press; the Afghan Government have openly danced an ugly jig, to the tune set by the bania wirepullers in Delhi, and have thereby betrayed not only a complete want of appreciation of the critical situation facinting the whole Islamic world today, but also shown an utter disregard for the brotherhood of Islam and the essential unity of the faithful.
:rotfl: Benis worthy.
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NYT Book Review on Churchill:

Book Review: Two Churchills

August 12, 2010
The Two Churchills
By JOHANN HARI
CHURCHILL’S EMPIRE


The World That Made Him and the World He Made

By Richard Toye

Illustrated. 423 pp. A John Macrae Book/Henry Holt & Company. $32

Winston Churchill is remembered for leading Britain through her finest hour — but what if he also led the country through her most shameful one? What if, in addition to rousing a nation to save the world from the Nazis, he fought for a raw white supremacy and a concentration camp network of his own? This question burns through Richard Toye’s superb, unsettling new history, “Churchill’s Empire” — and is even seeping into the Oval Office.

George W. Bush left a big growling bust of Churchill near his desk in the White House, in an attempt to associate himself with Churchill’s heroic stand against fascism. Barack Obama had it returned to Britain. It’s not hard to guess why: his Kenyan grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, was imprisoned without trial for two years and tortured on Churchill’s watch, for resisting Churchill’s empire.

Can these clashing Churchills be reconciled? Do we live, at the same time, in the world he helped to save and the world he helped to trash? Toye, one of Britain’s smartest young historians, has tried to pick through these questions dispassionately. Churchill was born in 1874 into a Britain that was coloring the map imperial pink, at the cost of washing distant nations blood-red. He was told a simple story: the superior white man was conquering the primitive dark-skinned natives, and bringing them the benefits of civilization.

As soon as he could, Churchill charged off to take his part in “a lot of jolly little wars against barbarous peoples.” In the Swat valley, now part of Pakistan, he experienced, fleetingly, an instant of doubt. He realized that the local population was fighting back because of “the presence of British troops in lands the local people considered their own,” just as Britain would if she were invaded. But Churchill soon suppressed this thought, deciding instead that they were merely deranged jihadists whose violence was explained by a “strong aboriginal propensity to kill.”

{Colonial Imperialist}

He gladly took part in raids that laid waste to whole valleys, writing: “We proceeded systematically, village by village, and we destroyed the houses, filled up the wells, blew down the towers, cut down the shady trees, burned the crops and broke the reservoirs in punitive devastation.” He then sped off to help reconquer the Sudan, where he bragged that he personally shot at least three “savages.”

{Genocidal modern Genghis!}

The young Churchill charged through imperial atrocities, defending each in turn. When the first concentration camps were built in South Africa, he said they produced “the minimum of suffering” possible. At least 115,000 people were swept into them and 14,000 died, but he wrote only of his “irritation that kaffirs should be allowed to fire on white men.” Later, he boasted of his experiences. “That was before war degenerated,” he said. “It was great fun galloping about.”

{Crypto Nazi concentration camp supporter}

After being elected to Parliament in 1900, he demanded a rolling program of more conquests, based on his belief that “the Aryan stock is bound to triumph.” As war secretary and then colonial secretary in the 1920s, he unleashed the notorious Black and Tans on Ireland’s Catholics, to burn homes and beat civilians. When the Kurds rebelled against British rule in Iraq, he said: “I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes.” It “would spread a lively terror.” (Strangely, Toye doesn’t quote this.)

Of course, it’s easy to dismiss any criticism of these actions as anachronistic. Didn’t everybody in Britain think that way then? One of the most striking findings of Toye’s research is that they really didn’t: even at the time, Churchill was seen as standing at the most brutal and brutish end of the British imperialist spectrum. This was clearest in his attitude to India. When Gandhi began his campaign of peaceful resistance, Churchill raged that he “ought to be lain bound hand and foot at the gates of Delhi and then trampled on by an enormous elephant with the new Viceroy seated on its back.” He later added: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”

{Was he a Christian dogmatist? IOW his oppostion to India was based on his hatred towards Hinduism.}

This hatred killed. In 1943, to give just one example, a famine broke out in Bengal, caused, as the Nobel Prize-winning economist Amartya Sen has proven, by British mismanagement. To the horror of many of his colleagues, Churchill raged that it was their own fault for “breeding like rabbits” and refused to offer any aid for months while hundreds of thousands died.

Hussein Onyango Obama is unusual among Churchill’s victims only in one respect: his story has been rescued from the slipstream of history. Churchill believed the highlands, the most fertile land in Kenya, should be the sole preserve of the white settlers, and approved of the clearing out of the local “kaffirs.” When the Kikuyu rebelled under Churchill’s postwar premiership, some 150,000 of them were forced at gunpoint into detention camps, later called “Britain’s gulag” by the historian Caroline Elkins. Obama never truly recovered from the torture he endured.

This is a real Churchill, and a dark one — but it is not the only Churchill. He also saw the Nazi threat far ahead of the complacent British establishment, and his extraordinary leadership may have been the decisive factor in vanquishing Hitlerism from Europe. Toye is no Nicholson Baker, the appalling pseudo­historian whose recent work “Human Smoke” presented Churchill as no different from Hitler. Toye sees all this, clearly and emphatically.

So how can the two Churchills be reconciled? Was his moral opposition to Nazism a charade, masking the fact that he was merely trying to defend the British Empire from a rival? Toye quotes Richard B. Moore, an American civil rights leader, who said that it was “a most rare and fortunate coincidence” that at that moment “the vital interests of the British Empire” coincided “with those of the great overwhelming majority of mankind.” But this might be too soft in its praise. If Churchill had been interested only in saving the empire, he could probably have cut a deal with Hitler. No: he had a deeper repugnance to Nazism than that. He may have been a thug, but he knew a greater thug when he saw one — and we may owe our freedom today to this wrinkle in history.


{I put it differently. Churchill with his Christian outlook realised Hitler was creating a new Christianity out of its Judeo-Roman ethos and this would lead to a new Europe which would be Germano-Christian and this would lead to eclipse of the Anglo-Saxon world. That is the prime reason for his opposoing Nazism, for Baker and Toye show he was no different in his attitudes as the Nazis.}

This is the great, enduring paradox of Churchill’s life. In leading the charge against Nazism, he produced some of the richest prose poetry in defense of freedom and democracy ever written. It was a check he didn’t want black or Asian people to cash, but as the Ghanaian nationalist Kwame Nkrumah wrote, “all the fair brave words spoken about freedom that had been broadcast to the four corners of the earth took seed and grew where they had not been intended.” Churchill lived to see democrats across Britain’s imperial conquests use his own hope-songs of freedom against him.

{Irony!}

In the end, the words of the great and glorious Churchill who resisted dictatorship overwhelmed the works of the cruel and cramped Churchill who tried to impose it on the world’s people of color. Toye teases out these ambiguities beautifully. The fact that we now live at a time where a free and independent India is an emerging superpower in the process of eclipsing Britain, and a grandson of the Kikuyu “savages” is the most powerful man in the world, is a repudiation of Churchill at his ugliest — and a sweet, unsought victory for Churchill at his best.

{God acts in mysterious ways!}

Johann Hari is a columnist for The Independent newspaper in London.

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Thanks to IF for the link:

Churchill's Plan for Post War India

EPW article by
By: Madhusree Mukerjee
Vol XLV No.32 August 07, 2010
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ramana wrote:Thanks to IF for the link:

Churchill's Plan for Post War India

EPW article by
By: Madhusree Mukerjee
Vol XLV No.32 August 07, 2010
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Winston Churchill’s Plan for Post-war India
By: Madhusree Mukerjee
Vol XLV No.32 August 07, 2010


Leopold S Amery, Secretary of State for India from May 1940 to June 1945, has compared the then Prime Minister Winston Churchill with Adolf Hitler in his manuscript The Regeneration of India: Memorandum by the Prime Minister. This article dwells on the circumstances of this remark by Amery. It finds that Churchill’s idea of redesigning Indian society by terminating the babu class and moneylenders and his policy towards Bengal famine and the War Cabinet meetings provoked Amery to make such an explosive comment.


As the victorious end of this glorious struggle for human freedom draws near, the time is coming for a policy in relation to India more worthy of our true selves. We have had enough… of shameful pledges about Indian self-­government, and of sickening surrenders to babu agitation. If we went even further two years ago in an open invitation to I­ndians to unite and kick us out of India that was only because we were in a hole. That peril is over and obviously a new s­ituation has arisen of which we are fully entitled to take advantage.

The above is the opening paragraph of a three-page typewritten manuscript, dated August 1944 and entitled The Regeneration of India: Memorandum by the Prime Mini­ster. It is to be found among the papers of Leopold S Amery, Secretary of State for India from May 1940 to June 1945. The manuscript is appended by the initials WSC, and appears at first glance to have been written by Prime Minister Winston Spencer Churchill at a time when the s­econd world war was coming to a bloody but triumphant end.

Two years earlier, in the spring of 1942, the shockingly rapid advance of Japanese forces onto the I­ndian border had created political pressures that had induced Churchill and A­mery into a desperate measure: they had sent socialist politician Sir Stafford Cripps to India with an offer of dominion status after the war, in return for the cooperation of the Indian National Congress with the war effort. According to the 1944 document, how­ever, Churchill hoped to r­escind the Cripps offer – the “open invitation to Indians to unite and kick us out of India” – and instead to announce a new policy on the colony:
No more nonsense about self-government; down with all (brown) landlords and profit-making industrialists, collecti­vise agriculture on Russian lines and touch up the untouchables.
Churchill’s New Dawn Vision

The scheme would commence with removing those Englishmen – including the then viceroy, Lord Archibald Wavell – who, according to this paper,
would not only appear to have taken our pledges seriously, but to be imbued with a miserable sneaking sympathy for what are called Indian aspirations, not to speak of an inveterate and scandalous propensity to defend Indian interests as against those of their own country, and a readiness to see British workers sweat and toil for generations in order to swell even further the distended paunches of Hindu moneylenders.
The pledges would include the repeated promises of self-government for India made by the British government. The numerous babus “who infest the government offices” would also have to be disposed of, the paper continued, and replaced by a new force of English re-educators who would uphold “our historic right to govern India in accordance with our own ideas and interests”.

The regeneration of India would i­nvolve uplifting the untouchable, suppressing child marriage, limiting population, and getting rid of cows. Most importantly, it would require the imposition of a radically new administrative structure. Every five villages would require “one English instructor in the new way of life”, as well as “one English head policeman with five Indian subordinates drawn from the loyal martial races”. In total, the colony would require 1,60,000 instructors, 1,60,000 English police officers and 8,00,000 I­ndian policemen. Holding this system in place would also require the army and air force to be expanded, “at any rate until I­ndia has become accustomed to the new regime”. Any criticism in the British parliament of the “new dawn over India” would be banned. “It will also be necessary, following an excellent Russian pre­cedent, to forbid any but trusted officials to leave India or to allow any visitors from outside except under the closest supervision by an official Intourist Agency.”1

Did Winston Churchill really envision this extraordinary reconfiguration of I­ndian society? The short answer is “no” and the long answer is “yes”. A finely pencilled notation reveals the paper’s immediate author: “A skit by LSA after a harangue by WSC in Cabinet – only slightly exaggerated”. The last two words are underlined. Amery had penned the paper, but he did not invent the ideas it contained. He merely caricatured the prime minister’s ramblings in the War Cabinet – no doubt to vent his anger at Churchill’s devastating colonial policies, for which the British and Indian public and press were blaming the secretary of state for India; and perhaps also to explain to shocked colleagues, why during the War Cabinet meeting of
4 August 1944, Amery had compared W­inston Churchill, the beloved war l­eader, to Adolf Hitler.2

War Cabinet Meetings

On that summer day, the War Cabinet had been discussing a response that Wavell had drafted to a missive from Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. In an overture to the viceroy, Gandhi had offered to suspend the Quit India movement (which had commenced in August 1942, following the Congress rejection of the Cripps offer) and to cooperate with the war effort in e­xchange for an immediate declaration of independence. The viceroy had drafted a polite reply turning Gandhi down, but o­ffer­ing an olive branch: if Hindus, M­uslims, and the main Indian minorities agreed on a constitution, they could form a transitional government, under the t­utelage of the existing one, until the war was over.3

The prime minister was vehemently o­pposed to Indian emancipation, however, and moreover, bore immense personal animosity towards Gandhi. When the old man had been released from British custody three months earlier, in May 1944 – because he appeared to be at risk of death from a coronary or cerebral thrombosis – Churchill had instructed Wavell that u­nder no circumstances should he negotiate with Gandhi, “a thoroughly evil force, hostile to us in every fibre, largely in the hands of native vested interests”.4Accordingly, when Wavell’s draft response to Gandhi had come up before the War Cabinet for the first time, “the real storm broke”, Amery wrote in his diary. The viceroy should not be interacting with“ a traitor who ought to be put back in prison”, raged the prime minister. “As for Wavell he ought never to have been appointed”. The tirade had lasted for a full hour. A committee had rewritten Wavell’s r­esponse so that it bristled with hostile l­egalese, but the War Cabinet had sent it back for further revision.

At the next War Cabinet meeting on I­ndia, on 4 August 1944, Churchill inserted into the new draft response to Gandhi a statement of British responsibilities t­owards untouchables in a land ruled by caste Hindus. Amery pointed out that this was irrelevant to the issues that Gandhi had raised – and provoked a furious res­ponse from Churchill, “describing how a­fter the war he was going to go back on all the shameful story of the last twenty years of surrender”. Instead of honouring repeated promises of emancipation for I­ndia, Churchill continued, he would strengthen British rule and simultaneously
carry out a great regeneration of India based on extinguishing landlords and oppressive industrialists and uplift the peasant and untouchable, probably by collectivisation on Russian lines. It might be necessary to get rid of wretched sentimentalists like Wavell and most of the present English o­fficials in India, who were more Indian than the Indians, and send out new men.
Amery’s Hitler Remark

According to Amery’s diary, Churchill even attacked the patriotism of the Secretary of State for India on the grounds that he supported the interests of “Indian m­oneylenders” over those of Englishmen. “Naturally I lost patience”, continued A­mery in his diary, “and couldn’t help telling him that I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s which annoyed him no little. I am by no means sure whether on this subject of India he is really quite sane.”5

Amery made the Hitler remark in the heat of argument, but clearly he stood
by it. For he left much out of his diaries – notably, any hint of his Jewish heritage, a s­ecret uncovered in 2000 by historian William D Rubinstein. So the retention of this explosive comment can be no accident. Given that Chaim Weizmann, the future premier of Israel, had recently told Amery about a “monstrous German blackmailing offer to release a million Jews in return for ten thousand lorries and other equipment, failing which bargain they proposed to exterminate them”, he understood as well as anyone could in those times the implications of his comparison.6 Amery may have been provoked by the reference to moneylenders – a hint that Churchill saw upper class Indians through the same lens as anti-Semites might perceive Jews. “All those arts which are the natural defence of the weak are more f­amiliar to this subtle race than to… the Jew of the dark ages”, Thomas Babington Macaulay had written of the Bengali, who, in the view of this 19th century historian, compressed into his diminutive form every loathsome characteristic that he perceived in the Hindu: “as usurers, as money-changers, as sharp legal practitioners, no class of human beings can bear a comparison with them”. The Bengali babu, another writer had joked in 1911, was “something of an Irishman, something of an Italian, something of a Jew: if one can conceive of an Irishman who would run away from a fight instead of into it, an Italian without a sense of beauty and a Jew who would not risk five pounds on the chance of making five hundred.”7

Amery may have had a further cause for his Hitler comment: exactly a year earlier, on 4 August 1943, the War Cabinet had made its first, and most crucial, decision to deny famine relief to Bengalis. Amery was undoubtedly aware of this anniversary, and the memory of what had transpired at that fateful War Cabinet meeting may have fuelled a simmering anger that burst forth upon Churchill’s tirade. In July 1943, the Government of India had informed the War Cabinet of outbreak of famine in Bengal, and requested emergency shipments of 5,00,000 tons of wheat by year-end. Half of that quantity would supply the army, while the other half would support the war effort by feeding urban and industrial populations; if any of the imported grain happened to be left over, it would be used for famine relief.

Outbreak of Famine

At the War Cabinet meeting of 4 August 1943, Amery had propounded the urgent Indian need for food “in as strong terms as I could”, according to his diary – but had failed to get the War Cabinet to schedule even a single shipment of wheat for India. The Secretary of State for War, Sir Percy James Grigg, who believed that the famine had been created by Bengali babus in order to make profits from speculation, had baselessly contradicted the Government of India and the then viceroy, Lord Linlithgow. Grigg asserted that wheat would not relieve the Bengal famine – apparently in the mistaken belief, expressed in descriptions of the Bengal famine by more than one British historian, that Bengalis would not or could not eat wheat. (In truth, the War Cabinet wanted to conserve wheat, which was available in Australia, for the feeding of Europeans, if and when they were liberated.) Instead of scheduling relief for Bengal, the War Cabinet had dispatched 50,000 tons of wheat to Ceylon to await instructions as to the final destination, while around 1,00,000 tons of barley – which consignments were close to useless because they would have negligible effect on food prices – were to be ordered for India from Iraq.8

Churchill did say that if the situation in India got worse, Amery could bring it up again; but the next day, 5 August 1943, he left for a conference in Quebec. The following week a committee disbursed the shipping in the Indian Ocean for the next month. In September, 10 vessels would be required to load in Australia with wheat flour, and two with other foodstuffs, but none of these consignments would be g­oing to India. In October, nine or 10 vessels would be needed to load in Australia with wheat and other food, but again none would be destined for India. Around 75,000 tons of Australian wheat would be transported to Ceylon and west Asia each month, to supply the war effort, and a further 1,70,000 tons would go to a supply centre in the Mediterranean region – to be stockpiled for future consumption by the civilians of southern Europe, whom Churchill hoped to liberate. The few ships travelling to India would be filled with war-related cargo. As for the Iraqi barley promised for India, negotiations on price, being the province of the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Food, were incomplete when the War Cabinet again discussed the famine on 24 September 1943.

Later that year, Amery was able to ensure that the 50,000 tons of wheat intended for Ceylon eventually went on to India, and that a further 30,000 tons were o­rdered for the colony. The first of these consignments probably arrived in November. The timing is significant, because the greater the delay, the more the number of lives lost. The quantities matter too: as a result of the War Cabinet’s priorities, the Government of India received a mere 16% of the wheat that it had requested – far from enough to meet the requirements of the Indian army, let alone that of a famine-­stricken populace. As a result, the army continued to use domestic supplies that could otherwise have been used to r­elieve famine: it consumed 1,15,000 tons of rice in 1943, twice the quantity it had used the previous year, because of a concurrent shortage in the supply of wheat.9

From the beginning of the war, India had exported grain for the war effort; the net quantity of wheat and rice exported in the fiscal year 1942-43 was 3,60,000 tons. Rice exports from India had come to a halt only in July 1943. But when the colony s­uffered from famine – in no small part because of the scarcity and inflation r­esulting from such extractions of supplies – shiploads of Australian wheat would pass it by, to be stored for future consumption in Europe. The starvation of Bengalis was of little consequence, Amery quoted Churchill as saying, because the people were of negligible value to the war effort and in any case they were “breeding like rabbits”.10

Around July or August 1943, the non-availability of grain had forced government-run relief centres in Bengal to r­educe the rations provided to famine victims to about four ounces per person per day. That came to 400 calories, at the low end of the scale at which, at much the same time, inmates at the Nazi concentration camp Buchenwald were being fed. The Bengal famine had drawn to an end in December 1943, when the province h­arvested its own winter rice crop. It killed 1.5 million people by the official e­stimate alone, and possibly twice as much by other accounts.11

It is in this context that Amery’s comparison of Churchill’s attitudes with those of Hitler must be viewed. “In the occupied territories on principle only those people are to be supplied with an adequate amount of food who work for us”, Hermann Göring, Hitler’s designated successor, had stated of the Slav countries that Germany had conquered (Poland, Czechoslovakia and tracts of the Soviet Union). Further,
Even if one wanted to feed all the other inhabitants, one could not do it in the newly-occupied eastern areas. It is, therefore, wrong to funnel off food supplies for this purpose, if it is done at the expense of the army and necessitates increased s­upplies from home.
As the Third Reich tightened its grip, the withdrawal of its colonies’ products and resources would result in the deaths, from starvation and disease, of tens of millions of ordinary Slavs, noted a Nazi policy paper formulated in 1941.12 Notably, after attending one of the War Cabinet debates on sending famine relief to India, Wavell noted in his diary that Churchill wanted to “feed only those [­Indians] actually fighting or making m­unitions or working some particular railways”.13 According to Amery, the prime minister felt that feeding Bengalis, who were not making much of a contribution to the war effort, was less important than feeding Greeks, who were. Such views towards Indian non-combatants are difficult to distinguish from the Nazi attitude towards ordinary Slavs, who were d­escribed as “superfluous eaters”. Amery could not have known the specifics of the Nazi scheme for exploiting the colonies, called the Generalplan Ost (General Plan for the East). But he had read Mein Kampf in the original German and had studied Hitler’s speeches, which made no secret of the Führer’s dreams of restoring prosperity to Germany by extending its hegemony t­owards the east. Amery had even had a long conversation with Hitler in 1935, and noted in his autobiography that the G­erman leader had a good grasp of economics. Amery was in any case aware that the Nazis were withdrawing resources from occupied territories (such as Greece), and leaving the natives to starve – just as Churchill had done in India.

Redesigning Indian Society

Nevertheless, the immediate provocation for Amery’s Hitler remark was not famine relief but Churchill’s scheme for the re­designing Indian society. Whereas the prime minister held ordinary Indians to be expendable (and no worse) his attitude towards the Indian upper class was one of active hostility. In particular, he was convinced that native merchants and moneylenders had caused the famine (Leopold S Amery, Secretary of State for India from May 1940 to June 1945) by stockpiling grain, which belief had exacerbated his enmity. Although much about his plan for India remains vague, Churchill clearly believed that a major makeover of native s­ociety, involving the termination of the babu class and its replacement by a British ruling elite, was necessary in order to e­xtend British rule over India for “a few more generations” (as he had written to Viceroy Linlithgow in 1937). Churchill’s ideas for India’s future bear a passing resemblance to what is now known of Nazi plans for rendering the Slav regions into permanent slave territories by means of intellectual decapitation. In the Nazi plan, every Jew, as well as every member of the Slav intellectual and upper classes – people who, in Hitler’s view, were likely to f­oment rebellions – were to be exterminated and replaced by a German ruling class. What makes Hitler’s legacy particularly horrific is that this plan was not merely theoretical: he did, in fact, largely implement the first part.14

Churchill’s ideas, as recorded by Amery, suggest also the influence of Stalin. Churchill met the dictator several times during the course of the war. He came
to admire Stalin’s decisiveness and ruthlessness – as evinced by the implementation of a scorched earth order against those S­oviet citizens whose homes and fields lay in the path of the Nazis, which action had helped turn the tide against the invaders. In the early 1930s, Stalin had created in Soviet Union a collectivised society ruled by a class of party elites – in part by eliminating the kulaks, or rural moneylenders (although in practice all better-off peasants were targeted). At a meeting in 1942, Churchill had questioned Stalin about this collectivisation scheme, which, along with appropriations of grain by the state, had led to the Ukrainian famine in which about 10 million people died.15

In subsequent conversations, Churchill would return to the prospect of collectivising Indian society as well, at the expense of usurers and others – broadly, the babus, or educated Hindu males, who comprised almost the entire leadership of the Congress Party. According to Amery, in April 1945, Churchill spoke of “abolishing I­ndian landlords and moneylenders, instituting a Soviet system, etc”. Since Churchill detested communism, his fixation with this project speaks to his hatred of upper class Indians. The British imperial imagination cast the babus of India in a role similar to that in which the Nazis cast the Jews and the Slavic upper class, and the Soviets cast the kulaks and Ukrainian u­pper class – as enemies of the state.16The British people, who by and large were weary of imperialism, would no doubt have viewed with disfavour such measures as collectivisation and large-scale imprisonment (or even extermination, judging by the language in which Amery recorded Churchill’s diatribe of 4 August 1944) undertaken in their name – especially after having fought a war to defend freedom. According to the Amery paper, ordinary Britons would not be permitted to know. Wartime restrictions were keeping from them many details of Churchill’s India policy, including his refusal to relieve the Bengal famine, and the prime minister evidently hoped to extend such protections to the post-war period by introducing Soviet-style controls: hence the “Intourist” bureau.

As it happens, Churchill and the conservatives decisively lost the British elections of 1945, so that he could not even begin to put into practice his ideas for the post-war regeneration of India.

Notes

1 Amery Papers, AMEL 1/6/34.

2 Barnes and Nicholson, 995.

3 Mansergh, Transfer IV, 1100, 1136-8.

4 CHAR 20/165/43, 27 May 1944.

5 Barnes and Nicholson, The Empire at Bay, 992-993; Mansergh, Transfer IV, 1152-4.

6 Barnes and Nicholson, 986.

7 Joseph V Denney, Macaulay’s Essay on Warren Hastings (Boston: Allyn and Bacon, 1907), 36; Quoted in Chakravarty, The Raj Syndrome, 127.

8 Mansergh, Transfer IV, 157, 163; Barnes and N­icholson, 933-934.

9 MT 59/631, “Note of a Meeting Held to Discuss Cross Trade Programme Requirements”, 11 August 1943.

10 Barnes and Nicholson, 950.

11 Woodhead, Famine Inquiry Commission, 109-110; Amartya Sen, Poverty and Famines, 102; Mukerjee, Churchill’s Secret War, 271.

12 Steven R Welch, “Our India”.

13 Moon, ed., Wavell, 19.

14 Welch, Nazi Plans for the East, in Adler, et al, G­enocide: History and Fictions, 35-37.

15 Robert Conquest, The Harvest of Sorrow, 23, 301.

16 Barnes and Nicholson, 1039.
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3
How the state has taken few peoples personal experience into its state ideology
For one, like any tragic event around the world, partition did shape the personal lives of certain individuals who would rise in the state’s structure. For instance, the role partition played in shaping the memories of both Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, a nuclear scientist, and Hafiz Saeed, a jihadist, cannot be denied. Unfortunately, it seems that the legacy the two individuals sustained from the event was negative; comments attributed to them can be easily found in which they recall their loathing of the untrustworthy ‘Hindu India’ that made them lose relatives and property as they migrated from India to Pakistan.

This is not to say that the narrative had any specific reason that made a strong defence around it. With or without Dr Khan or Hafiz Saeed, the state would have pursued its policies. What happened was the convergence of the state’s goals and individuals who shared the state’s goal at the ideological level — something that, in the two cases, derived from their shared memories of partition.
Depending upon the source of the statistics, thousands to millions of Bengalis died in the war of liberation in 1971, yet its imprint in Pakistan’s narrative is minimal. At the most, the event is recalled as Pakistan’s dismemberment with the primacy given to the external role, namely India, in supporting guerrilla fighters; the internal reasons are whitewashed. While the event and even its prominence show their mark, its primary genesis got tailored for the state’s ends.
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There is a book in Marathi by Seshrao More whcih is recently translated into English. The title is "1857: The Jihad" and the English translation is publsihed by Manas Publications, Delhi..
Here is review of the book.
The impression fostered about events during the 1857 Uprising may well need drastic overhaul if one considers the thesis presented by Prof. Sheshrao More in his book The 1857 Jihad (Manas Publications, Delhi). It is a translation into English of the author’s original in Marathi, 1857cha Jihad.

We are told how Hindus and Muslims came together in unprecedented camaraderie, mutual understanding and co-operation in 1857 in a joint attempt to free India from the British yoke. Mere mention of names like Bahadur Shah Zafar, Nanasahib Peshwa, Mangal Pandey, Tatya Tope or Rani Laxmibai electrify us with patriotic fervour even now, a century and a half since their passing. Indeed, they and others like them who led a series of struggles against the British at that time, had become beacons of nationalistic inspiration for freedom fighters of a later era.

However, citing the scholarly opinion of Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar, as expressed in his book Pakistan (1940), Prof. More contends, with an impressive array of other impeccable references to substantiate his view, that the popularly known '1857 War of Independence' was merely an intermediate stage of a movement with the entirely different objective of converting India into a Dar-ul-Islam (land ruled according to Islamic Law) (p. 7). That movement had really commenced with the activism of Shah Waliullah after the Battle of Plassey in 1757, to be rejuvenated with the jihad undertaken by Sayyid Ahmad. The next stage was achieved when India became independent at the cost of partition and the creation of Pakistan in 1947. Both struggles were ostensibly against the British as all of us know. But the author says, ominously perhaps, that the next in the series is hardly likely to be a struggle against them (p. 12), leaving readers' logic more than imagination or emotion to ascertain by and against whom it is most likely to be waged.

'1857' was, according to the author, essentially a jihad with the sole aim of re-establishing Islamic rule, which had seen progressive decay since Aurangzeb' s death in 1707. It was not a freedom struggle at all in the sense we normally use the term.

He recounts in the first two chapters, details of a movement initiated by a certain Shah Waliullah (1703-62) who preached a return to pristine Islam after ridding it of the accretion of non-Islamic customs. The movement was embellished by his successors - his son Shah Abdul Azeez and Sayyid Ahmed Barelvi (1786-1831), which accomplished unprecedented churning of religious sentiment among Muslims of North India.

No history of the 1857 uprising taught in schools even mentions these persons. But, according to evidence presented by the author, they were most responsible for the creation of an anti-British sentiment that eventually led to the Uprising.

The author's contention is perhaps borne out by the curious fact that, barring those territories that had in the 19th century remained under Muslim control, nominal though it may have been, no other region in India witnessed anything that could justly be called an 'uprising'.

Commonly proffered reasons for the uprising are analytically debated by the author in a separate chapter to show how only few of them might be called primary and fundamental while all the others were only secondary, subsidiary or incidental. That the revolt remained restricted to only certain areas of North India is explained by the author as a result of the primary cause - the compromising of Muslim power (p.104). The economic deprivation suffered by mainly Muslim tradesmen through the new policies of the British government is identified by him as another main cause (p. 96). Weavers, ship builders and maritime traders were predominantly Muslim and suffered the most with British takeover of their businesses. Annexation of native states or the enactment of laws prohibiting evil social customs like sati, are regarded by the author only as secondary or incidental causes. In actual fact, not a small section of Hindu society had actually welcomed those reforms! The author makes a comparison of public reaction to the dissolution of Satara, Jhansi and Avadh. While the first two were tame, individual protests made by the respective deposed rulers with no part being taken by their subjects, the third was met with massive public outrage. He claims that this marked difference strengthens his argument that loss of Muslim power had been a primary cause. The issue of fat-smeared cartridges, in fact, he dismisses as "absurd" (p.103)! He further points out (p.100) that it was "abnormal, illogical and astonishing" that Hindus had taken part in the uprising for reasons as trivial as these.

The instigators, leaders and beneficiaries of the uprising who are identified in three chapters were Muslim almost to a man and subscribed to the Waliullahi philosophy. Nanasahib, Laxmibai and not least of all, Mangal Pandey who is credited as being the 'first freedom fighter', had all been enticed, coerced, beguiled or befuddled into the fray, says the author. Unknown to or ignored by most of us, Laxmibai was essentially a British loyalist and had been appointed by them to rule Jhansi on their behalf for a full ten months from July 2, 1857, even after the Uprising had broken out in that principality. They would hardly have done so if they had even a faint suspicion about her loyalty! Her ultimate undoing, says the author, was due to a conspiracy engineered by Nathhe Khan of nearby Orchha who waylaid every conciliatory or explanatory communication sent by her to the British, thus precipitating the fatal confrontation between them. (p.306) Likewise, Mangal Pandey too was the victim of machinations of his trusted friend Nakki Khan (p.174-76). Nanasahib, in fact, was threatened with death by rebel sepoys if he declined to lead them. (p.237-38)

As further evidence in support of his view, the author presents in a subsequent chapter numerous appeals, declarations, proclamations and fatwas issued by the various players of 1857, explaining their content and intent. It includes such documents issued, among others, by Nanasahib and Laxmibai which the author shows were jihadi in essence. He claims that internal evidence of their contents establishes beyond any doubt that they were actually drafted by Muslim clerics and passed off in the names of influential persons like Nanasahib and Laxmibai, who had no choice but to sanction them.

The last chapter narrates the innumerable grievous clashes that took place between Hindus and Muslims during the period of the uprising, completely belying an impression that communal harmony prevailed, which eulogists would have their readers to receive. The author states, "It is … a parody of truth to claim that a golden age of Hindu-Muslim amity had dawned during the Uprising", and records his amazement at the ease with which Moulana Azad, when he was Central Minister for Education, could pervert history with the observation that he had not come across a single incident of communal strife or conflict during the entire period of the uprising. (p. 439)

The book presents a disturbingly new angle to events of the 1857 Uprising and is certain to make very interesting reading.

The 1857 JIHAD
Author: Sheshrao More
Translator: Bhalchandrarao C. Patwardhan
Pages: 518
ISBN 978-81-7049-337-2
Publisher: Manas Publications, Delhi
Price: Rs.795/-
It kind of explains how TSP was eventually carved out of India. What were the true reasons we find out only much later.
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Dalrymple's article on Last Mughal

http://www.newstatesman.com/200610160035
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ramana wrote:
It kind of explains how TSP was eventually carved out of India. What were the true reasons we find out only much later.
Ramana, while the author correctly provides the view that the Muslims involved in the 1857 war were fighting Jihad, quite clearly so, what it misses out is that the 1857 was not their creation.

1857 was put together by the Maratha's under Nana Saheb, and the night runners were carrying roti and "kamal" not a green piece of cloth used as a wrapping of a certain book.

The "muslims" were coopeted by Nana Saheb since where the Maratha's left off to British, they were still working with a "arrangement" of Nominally recognizing Delhi.

The BULK of war was fought by Purbia's who were erstwhile soldiers of Maratha's and then East India company against Muslim Principalities some times joing EIC specifically because EIC was in conflict with Nawabs of Bengal.

The British realized this and this crucial realization was the root of all their policies since 1857 culminating in 1947, as beautifully brought out in Jaswant Singh's book.

This is also highlighted (in a different way) in Savarkar's seminal work.
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Well, it could be that the Muslim component tried to take advantage of the move by the faction of the Marathas against EIC. The period is significant in that the last two great "Hindu" military resistance attempts had been defeated or forced to withdraw - the Marathas and the Sikhs. So the Islamist revivalists might have thought that it would be the opportune moment to strike. Another angle to be explored is that whether there was an underlying shrewd plan to use the Hindu component of EIC armies against the Brits in order to weaken both. This is exactly what happened though - since EIC was forced to withdraw and the empire took over. This might not have been the intended plan (the Empire replacing EIC) but the primary objectives were satisfied. Moreover, the permanent distrust would still continue and colour all future "Hindu"-Brit interactions.
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i read another author recently (english) who connects the 1857 jehad with the late 19th century uprisings in afghanistan and the root of wahabbism in saudi arabia - and the interchange of ideas between these entities. afghanistan was the dar-ul-islam from where the war against dar-ul-harb (british india) would have to be waged. the expected victor would lord it over hindustan for aeons. it is these deobandis who kept wahabbism alive whilst the egyptians and extinguished it in the gulf and then post 1857 took it back to arabia
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^^^There is a background to the possible role of Afghans as a mediator and "survivor pool" for Ottoman inspired Jihad's and Brit interaction. The entire first half of the 19th century is filled with such stories. So it is also possible that such a thread existed and was activated during the uprising.
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Lalmohan wrote:i read another author recently (english) who connects the 1857 jehad with the late 19th century uprisings in afghanistan and the root of wahabbism in saudi arabia - and the interchange of ideas between these entities. afghanistan was the dar-ul-islam from where the war against dar-ul-harb (british india) would have to be waged. the expected victor would lord it over hindustan for aeons. it is these deobandis who kept wahabbism alive whilst the egyptians and extinguished it in the gulf and then post 1857 took it back to arabia

So Lalmohan ji, are you going to tell us who this author is/was? :)
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Common People and Partition of India
Narrated by M. Tufail Uppal
My name is Mohammed Tufail Uppal. I was born in a town- Raja Sansi India on December 20th 1921. This town is located about eleven kilometers north-west from the city of Amritsar on Ajnala road. While I approach towards the 90th year of my life I like to narrate my firsthand experience about partition of India.
Our family lived for over a century in Raja Sansi. My ancestors named Kishan Lal and Bishan Lal moved from Rajisthan to Raja Sansi Punjab in 1798. They converted to Islam from Hinduism at the hands of a local Sufi Saint... They continued to live in the Rajasthan but faced opposition from other Hindu relatives. Then they moved to Punjab and settled in Raja Sansi.
Raja Sansi in pre-partition days was town of about 10,000 people. Muslims were in majority at around 60% while Hindus and Sikhs constituted the remaining 40% of the population. Raja Sansi had a post office, telegraph office, hospital and animal husbandry hospital. This town had five Mosques, two Hindu Temples and one Sikh Gurudwara.After primary education the students could elect English or Persian as a language. While majority of Hindus elected English, most of the Muslims selected Persian language. I recall few of my classmates Sikhs named Kalyan Singh and Makhan Singh and Amar Das, Deevan Chand, Manoher Lal and Gurdayal Mal. All of us had very good friendly relations.
There was a girl primary school where majority of students were from Hindu families. Muslims and Sikh girls were in small minority.
People of all religions lived harmonious lives without any religious or ethnic violence. Muslims had friendly relations with Sikhs and Hindus. People participated in all local community festivals. Sikhs and Hindus participated in the Urs of Saein Hussain Shah Qadri......
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=17692
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Uppal is a Khatri (Kshatriya) last name. The famous Sikh General, Hari Singh Nalua was a Uppal.
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surinder wrote:Uppal is a Khatri (Kshatriya) last name. The famous Sikh General, Hari Singh Nalua was a Uppal.
Some claim that even Banda was Uppal. I have few Uppal relatives in Jammu. What a downfall though, from Uppal he became Chappal of one Arab/Perisan BC.
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surinder wrote:Uppal is a Khatri (Kshatriya) last name. The famous Sikh General, Hari Singh Nalua was a Uppal.
I was under impression that Hari singh hailed from Brahmin family.. His mother was Kashibai daughter of Sadashivrao Bhau (the commander of Panipat Campaign). Interesting example of Brahmin-Kshatriya marriages in Punjab. This wasn't so common in contemporary Maharashtra.

P.S just now came to know that Abhinav Bindra is descendent of Harisingh. Its a privilege to take birth in such an illustrious lineage. Harisingh represents union of Punjab and Maharashtra at its best, an alliance which should have prospered and happened on larger scale.
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I know a couple where one is a Brahmin Sikh, another a Khatri Hindu. Arranged marriage, at that, not a love marriage.

I thought Hari Singh Nalua's Nani was a Marathi lady, not his mother, but I could be wrong.

One hears often conflicting accounts of Banda Singh Bairagi's origins. Some say he was a Brahmin, some say he was a Rajput. The Rajput account seems to me a more credible (more people suscribe to this view).

Prem, you have a way with words: Yes, from Uppal to Chappal it is. I do feel sad when I read about such loss. BTW, I love your terminology of "Pakroaches", and "Pakroachistan".
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surinder wrote:I thought Hari Singh Nalua's Nani was a Marathi lady, not his mother, but I could be wrong.
You are right.. Kashibai's daughter was Dharmabai whose son was Harisingh.. I stand corrected.. His mother died while giving birth to him. Kashibai tutored him with the help of Fateh Khan Gardi (related to celebrated Ibrahim khan Gardi - the artillery chief of Marathas).
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These history posts, unrelated to Partition, are off-topic and should be moved elsewhere.
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http://www.dailypioneer.com/282398/Time ... erish.html
Time for Hindus to leave or perish?
In 1946 there was no ‘Right-wing media’ and ‘Left-liberal media’ in Bengal (or, for that matter, in India as it existed then). There were newspapers and journals that were clubbed together as the “Hindu Press” because they did not blindly echo the Muslim League’s raucous demand that all of Bengal must go to (East) Pakistan, and there was the “League Press” comprising dailies, weeklies and monthly magazines, of which there was a surfeit those days, all of them virulently anti-Hindu and hence pro-Pakistan — with the notable exception of The Statesman which was then edited by Ian Stephens who was pro-Pakistan and hence anti-Hindu.
Six decades later, newspapers and news channels that, as a matter of editorial policy, intentionally gloss over Muslim communalism which is no less sinister and debilitating for our national life as was the fanatical hatred towards Hindus preached and practised by the Muslim League, are strangely referred to as the “secular media”. Measured by the same yardstick, the “League Press” was the “secular media” of 1946, although Ian Stephens would have protested at the suggestion, not least because he would have considered it antithetical to Muslim interests which were then represented by the politics of Muslim separatism about which there was nothing secular.
The story, however, does not end with the harrowing days and nights of August 1946 when vultures descended in large numbers on the roads, streets and gullies of Calcutta, feasting on corpses rotting in the sweltering post-monsoon heat. In a sense, ‘Direct Action Day’ was a curtain-raiser, the prelude to another ghastly massacre. The minority Hindu community of Ramganj in Noakhali district had no inkling of the “organised fury of the Muslim mob” that was unleashed on October 10, 1946. Within days, nearly all of Noakhali was engulfed by communal violence — Hindus were slaughtered like so many sheep; those who tried to flee were waylaid and killed. The “Hindu Press” reported thousands lost their lives; the “League Press” incredibly not only downplayed the violence but insisted there was no loss of lives. Ashok Gupta (no relative of mine and a Gandhian to boot) who accompanied Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi on his Noakhali sojourn prepared a report on the riot in which he recorded tales of Hindus being killed, forced to embrace Islam, and Hindu women being abducted or coerced into marrying Muslims. Such details are missing in official records which merely mention that the riots led to the loss of 200 lives.
The New York Times, reporting on Noakhali, published an AP despatch from New Delhi: “Mohandas K Gandhi, who has been attempting to insure communal peace in the Bengal and Bihar areas, said religious strife in the troubled Noakhali section of Bengal seemed to call for Hindus to leave or perish ‘in the flames of fanaticism’... He released telegrams from Congress workers in Noakhali, which is predominantly Moslem, in which they described attempts to burn Hindus alive.”

Sixty-four years later, areas of West Bengal which have witnessed a tectonic shift in their demographic profile due to unrestrained illegal immigration from Bangladesh, are slowly turning into volatile ‘Noakhalis’. Last week we had a glimpse of the communal belligerence that is building up when the minority Hindus in Deganga faced the “organised fury of the Muslim mob” led by Haji Nurul Islam, a Trinamool Congress MP. Is it time again for Hindus to leave or perish ‘in the flames of fanaticism’? If yes, where will they flee to? Isn’t India their land too?
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The entire Murshidabad belt is gone. Parts of Malda too. In fact both north and south along the border from Ganges and Farakka the Islamists have strongly established their base. This belt connects to Bihar through the Munger gap.

Using their numbers they join up with whichever party promises them legitimacy.
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That is a tricky question. "India" may mean different things to different people. In a certain viewpoint activities like that of the TMC MP may not be anti-Indian, because in that viewpoint that India is simply a deviation from the Mughal empire or the Delhi or Bengal Sultanate regionally - which they are correcting.

I think you have to live in the Murshidabad belt [and certain parts of 24 Parganas] for a while to know what really the Islamists of the region think or plan.

This incident was highlighted only because the leader happened to be TMC. Those who have now allowed this to be aired would not have allowed this before when similar things were happening under the communists - because then the Islamists were firmly under communist network. Even highlighting this will not change things really - because any talk of this will be only to expose the Islamists to the right degree that they feel pressurized to hide their non-secularist core or come back to the "left-centre" fold.

Have you heard or seen families where each brother of the same family having say three sons - belong to different parties. Say in Bengal, one in CPI(M), one in Congress, one in TMC? Now extend that to a "community" as a whole. Each member ensures that the overall targets of the community are hedged properly in changing times. This pretension of differences and variety helps to confuse the non-community viewership and it is maintained deliberately to a great extent.

Moreover, if you tour the villages in the region I am talking about you will see that in "mixed" villages, typically Hindus are in substantial numbers, but you will rarely find "Muslim" majority villages to have even one or two "ghar" or households of "Hindus". Over time, the Muslim settlement areas tend to get contiguous almost like a corridor. Demographics is also crucial.
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Unfortunately in Bengal, the major non-political pro-H framework has been demanded to be and forced to restrict itself to "charity" only. They are kept constantly under pressure [like say "labour unrest" in hospitals they run] so that they dare not intervene effectively in such situations. Non-political will not work. Moreover, as far as I know, even the admin of the area is composed in such a way that co-religionists hold key police or admin posts. They will immediately intervene if they see that non-faith components get active to physically upset their programme.

As long as the "centre-left" spectrum persists in GV at middle to upper echelons of society, I don't see alternatives to retreat to conserve strength. The orgs you mentioned have been active and made a dent in the 24 Parganas area. But it is an uphill task given that they have little presence in the students movement. In Bengal students are the key to disseminating messages of change - but the movement is now almost entirely a corrupt parallel of what happens in most other Leftist mass organizations. Patronage from party and gov sources inevitably lead to selection of leadership at each level who are opportunists and less capable in independent mass mobilizations because such qualities would be a threat for higher-ups for control ["we need someone whose head will come to us when we pull his hair" - an exact translation of an actual comment]. Such characters will do everything to prevent genuine thoughts to be aired and allow realists or idealist to perform at grassroots for long. They will also ruthlessly eliminate any student who dares to project ideas that you are talking about - with a lot of direct or indirect help from the still working Left presence in admin.

this is probably going OT though. Dun-no!
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shiv wrote:Vikas - I don't think anyone knew exactly what India and Pakistan would look like until Cyril Radcliffe finished his work. Cyril Radcliffe finished his map on 13 Aug 1947. Two days later the job was done. :eek:
According to Narendra Singh Sarila, the contours for partitioning India were drawn up much earlier by Viceroy Wavell in February 1946. The original document detailing the district-wise division in Punjab and Bengal is preserved in the Transfer of Power papers. Radcliffe fine tuned that demarcation at the level of tehsils and villages.

Also, in Wavell's time the princely states were to be independent of India and Pakistan, and Mountbatten also came to India with this same idea. Eventually he changed his position to persuade the princes to accede to either country, in exchange for the INC accepting the creation of Pakistan. INC was assured that the great majority of states would accede to India and adequately compensate it for territory lost to Pakistan. This new formula was proposed by VP Menon to Mountbatten in May 1947 and was accepted by the British cabinet, leading to the India Independence Bill in July.

Sardar Patel's statement in the Constituent Assembly in July 1949: "In exchange for Indian acceptance of partition, Britain had agreed to withdraw not only in two months but [also] not to interfere in the question of Indian States."
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