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Sridhar wrote: There are certain putative things, again IMHO, as far as the Taliban and Pakistan go, IMO. One, the Taliban and the Al Qaeda are functioning as one unit today with the same worldview.



Four, the Taliban are functioning cleverly as two separate units though they have a bayat to Osama and report to Mullah Omar for directions. One faction is the Quetta Shura helped by the Haqqanis and increasingly Hekmatyar. This combination has ISI written all over it. All these three owe their creation and existence to the ISI and the PA. There have also been WikiLeak and earlier reports that spoke of ISI officers being members of the Shura and hence controlling the proceedings. Hence the confidence of the PA that they could control them. This may be misplaced eventually and that time will tell. The second unit of Taliban is the Punjabi Taliban and local warlords in FATA and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa who are choosing their Pakistani targets for attacks according to the exigencies of their situation. To us, it may look paradoxical that these people are attacking the same State that supports their cause elsewhere. But, this second unit has tactical reasons for that while linking up strategically with the Taliban. For example, the State has placed curbs on them, the State had attacked them even if unwillingly and under international pressure and the State is seen as supporting the Great Satan (even if it double-crosses it). The PA may well be aware of this but they are unable to force the Afghan Taliban to rein in the second unit because the PA cannot cobble up another equally effective Afghan grouping as an alternate.
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Before 9/11, the Taliban were simply nationalistic while giving asylum to Osama under ISI patronage. They allowed them to setup training centres for terrorism as they did the same with the Pakistani terrorrist groups for entirely different reasons. But, the Taliban were never interested in lending a helping hand to the PA to take on India even when they knew that we were helping the Northern Alliance. At this point of time, again, the Afghan Taliban are interested in re-possessing Afghanistan, and driving out the American and NATO forces. They cannot fritter away their resources in other fronts. I am also doubtful if the Afghan Taliban will ever be able to have enough resources to send to India on behalf of Pakistan because their cup would be full once they re-take Afghanistan. Afghanistan has never been easy to handle, and with the current geo political and geo strategic interests of so many countries, the Taliban may not be able to handle Afghanistan as freely as they did prior to 9/11.
Afghan Taliban and TSP Taliban were 2 entirely different entities just like Democratic Party in US and Liberal Democratic party in UK.
The TSP taliban is just a bunch of thugs, anti-social(actually quite social in TSP sense :D ) characters who have cleverly taken Taliban name because of the past victories and romantic notions(aka Islamic Robin Hoods) associated with that name.
In their aims, worldly outlook etc. they have no connection. ISI is trying to screw both of them, though in reality only one(Afghan) is getting screwed, the other is giving it back to ISI in same coin.
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India, Iran discuss ‘regional solution' in Afghanistan

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Hamid Gul in GPS with Fareed Zakaria said that, Obama should talk to the ONLY man who could guarantee that there will be no terrorism exported- and he is Mullah Omar, (not Karzai, or Pakis.. or any other puppets..)

Worth watching the interview..
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Why is it that when India looks at TSP they turn their blinders to the CIA-ISI links since 1970s? David Headley/Daud Gilani is a symptom of that shortcoming.
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^ Perhaps we avoid making the link because we do not want to think of the implications on the many other 'benefits' that we have with the Americans.

We just want to avoid making hard decisions that will become consequent if we start thinking of the Americans as enemies.
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Or is it that we (on BRF) want to avoid facing the reality, which is more like this: it would be counter-productive to think of the Americans as enemies. It would probably be even more counter-productive to think of them as friends. They are neither, and they are both. They are like this multi-headed creature without explicit malign or benign intent but which can do us grievous harm and great good. BOTH are in evidence. And we have to deal with them profitably. Simple as that. Categorisation into "enemies", "friends (taller than mountain?)", "traitors", "patriots" and so on is best left to our friends across our northern and western borders.
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Why would it be counter productive to think of them as friends? There are so many Indian interests sucking at the teats of the great satan that it would take a leap of imagination to think of them as anything other than friends. Can you name a single Indian entity - government/private/NGO that benefits from anti Americanism today (let's leave out the commies because they are not Indian to begin with)?

But I can name hundreds of such entities that benefit from relationship with American entities. Not to mention all those people who think immigrating to America, even if it means managing a hot dog stand, is the best thing that can happen to them.

Sufficient number of Indian interests are paid by America to never speak against it and to ensure that a silent consensus remains pro America.

Sure, Indian-US relationship is complicated, we compete and cooperate at different levels. But Indian leadership is known for justifying drift as deliberate policy. If no *immediate* gain is possible by fighting for Indian interests over America's, these people would simply postpone a decision and let fate or the next person decide it.
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>>Why would it be counter productive to think of them as friends?

Because they are not our "friend". They are also not our "enemy". As such, you will find many anti-Indian and pro-Indian as well as anti-American and pro-American sentiments in both countries, and this is part of the overall relationship. Once we understand this, and act based on our calculation of our interests (which may often coincide or "converge" with theirs on several fronts), then we will find that we have a profitable relationship, at least one in which our strategic autonomy is steadily expanded, and in which the focus of that part of America which is dangerous will be on parties other than us.

Above all, let us not delude ourselves. By no means are we capable of posing a significant conventional threat to the US except perhaps in certain theatres. We need trade with that massive market, and we need to displace or shoulder ourselves into a position of importance there. Making money off the American market is as good for India (and by that I mean, ultimately, Indians who live below or desperately close to the poverty line). There are a lot of desperately poor and helpless people in our country. Let us not also make them hopeless, for if we do then we will simply make it easier for those powers who view us with coldly calculating eyes (the better to break us up and swallow us) to do exactly what they choose to do.

Everybody is our friend. Everybody is our enemy.
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Nigthwatch 4 Aug is hopeful of the Tailban peaking.
Afghanistan: Special note - Baghlan Province. During the past year, NightWatch assessed that the Taliban peaked in the sense that it is a Pashtun movement that has failed for a second time to break out of its cultural and ethnic identity.

NightWatch tracks and studies the clashes in the northern provinces of Afghanistan to check its assessment. Konduz Province was first because during the last three years it was the first to emerge as an apparent new front for the Taliban. This was manifest in a rise in the frequency of clashes and their effectiveness.


The German Army staffs the provincial reconstruction team for Konduz. In the past three years, the Germans with Afghan Army support have launched multiple moderate scale sweeps but have not succeeded in knocking down the Taliban.

In researching this phenomenon, NightWatch learned that the Taliban emergence in Konduz has been more of an awakening than an expansion. During the Taliban rule, Konduz was a frontline province the Taliban's effort to use military force to suppress the northern tribes.

Chahar Dara District is the center of the Taliban operation. Pashtuns make up more than 55% of its population. Of the seven districts in Konduz, several have no significant Pashtun population. They experience few if any IEDs or other clashes.

Baghlan is linked to Konduz because the main road to the north from Kabul runs through both. Baghlan's emergence as a potential Taliban expansion area has been more recent than Konduz, mainly since May 2009.

Province-wide demographics would suggest that it should be a quiet province. Tajiks form about 55% of the population, followed by Pashtuns who form 20% and Hazaras who form 15%. It is a farming and herding province.

After years of token Taliban activity, in June 2009 clashes occurred almost daily, but were concentrated in the two most populous of Baghlan's 15 districts. These are Baghlan i Jadid (119,600) and Pol e Khomri (191,600).

Although the number of clashes reported in open sources declined since June 2009, those that are reported continue to show that the Taliban are most active in these two districts. Open source information indicates at least one Taliban-initiated clash per week may be expected, in addition to roadside bombings.

The key feature of these two districts is both have substantial Pashtun populations. Half of Baghlan i Jadid's population is Pashtun. Pol e Khomri, which is much less violent than Baghlan i Jadid, is 30 % Pashtun. This means each district contains on the order of 50,000 or more Pashtuns, who are inclined to see the Taliban fighters as protectors from their northern neighbors. Several provincial officials, including a financial officer, were arrested in July for using their positions to support the Taliban.

The periodicity of the clashes indicates a permanent fighting unit - 30 to 100 men -- operates and is protected in each district. The occasional clashes in other districts indicate the groups occasionally range outside their home districts.

Starting in March 2010, Taliban began to operate in Dahana e Ghori District of Baghlan. Starting with one attack per month in the district of only 55,000 people, attacks gradually increased to one per week in May 2010. On 21 July, Taliban beheaded six Afghan policemen after overrunning their checkpost. One account said they held the district center for two days; another said the national police repulsed the attack. Whatever the case, this atrocity prompted multiple gloomy, but superficial news articles about security conditions in Baghlan and the north.

Open sources contain no information about the demographic makeup of Dahana e Ghori District so it is not possible at this time to conduct a more detailed examination. But the Taliban are following a pattern seen four years ago in the Pashtun heartland of starting small, increasing their visibility among villagers, and getting known, executing a few actions and then making a local sensation by a bold attack against a district seat that is lightly defended.

Thinly populated districts have small police forces and no army forces and, thus, always are vulnerable. An 80-man Taliban force of full and part time Pashtun fighters easily can overwhelm an 8-man district police force. But that does not alter the basic judgment that the Taliban have peaked and they are unable to hold ground against comparable Coalition forces. They retook the district.

That judgment would be good news for the Coalition forces, provided they were sufficiently numerous to take advantage of this obvious Taliban weakness by providing better local security and problem solving solutions as swiftly as the Taliban provide. As yet they cannot. This allows the Taliban the ability to return with impunity after Coalition forces have moved on.

There is nothing of national value in Dahana e Ghori District except that it is where a Taliban fighting cell chose to challenge government authority. That means the Taliban have the initiative of the small elusive force. They cannot win with such tactics and are not winning, but neither is the Coalition.

One lesson from the NightWatch studies is that demographics matter. The districts of Baghlan in which more than 20% of the population are Pashtun have become security threats. Below 20%, the Taliban seem uncomfortable in establishing a permanent fighting presence.

Contradicting Pakistani President Zardari's statement that the international community has lost Afghanistan, it is neither lost nor found. A stalemate is in effect and will last until one or the other side can no longer maintain the current level of resource commitments.
A few points:
- It was known that pockets of Pashtuns ahd settled in non-Pahstun areas. What we are seeing is they are providing the aid and comfort for the Taliban to move out of traditional Pashtun areas.

- The Taliban units are small numerically and should be defeated and neutralized. The coalition troops are thinking that retaking objectives is the goal. The goal should be to eliminate the Taliban units and not just retake village huts. BTW in medieval France the Arab raiders also acted in small group units/bands and needed 200 years to be eliminated on the gorund.

-The ANA was to be built up so they could become the follow-on forces and prevent resurgence. Obviously this is not working.

- So double failure: Coalition forces thinking retaking objectives is the goal when its eliminating the Taliban units and ANA follow-on forces are not capable for whatever reasons. Might need to look at the composition of the ANA units.
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The most significant element of the strategy is that the deadline for the start of the withdrawal of US troops — scheduled for July 2011 — is not set in stone. On ABC's "This Week", defence secretary Robert Gates asserted that the drawdown will be limited in nature. Lots of troops will still be around 19 months from now.

Read more: Obama's focus is Pak duplicity - All That Matters - Sunday TOI - Home - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... z0w98E0QdJ
The US and NATO will not leave AFG for another 30/40 years.

The reason is US and NATO know that COIN together with Predator bombings is the new 21st century warfare and being in AFG is the best way to get continuous training for its forces and equipment. What US defence chiefs have seen that in peacetime, recruits become Colonels from 2nd Lts or from Captains to Brigadier generals without facing a single hostile bullet, which creates a vast useless arm-chair army.
To avoid that, US and NATO will remain in AFG for next 3-4 decades,(Like Koreas) though they will reduce their footprints to just few major cities to decrease casualties and expenses.
AFG is a vast real-life training ground for US and NATO and will remain so in forseeable future and all TSPA calculations based on US leaving AFG are flat out wrong.
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Why Pakistan plays a double game
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/10/g ... uble.game/
The dominant narrative in the West now is that Pakistan is a foe, playing a double game, guiding the Afghan insurgency with a hidden hand even as it receives more than $1 billion a year from Washington for its help in combating al Qaeda and like-minded groups. "The burden of proof is on the government of Pakistan and the ISI to show they don't have ongoing contacts" with the militants, said U.S. Sen. Jack Reed, a Democrat on the powerful Armed Services Committee who visited Pakistan this month
Yet, eyes still wide shut
Pakistan's strategic rivalry with India outweighs any pressure exerted by the West on Islamabad to end support for the Afghan Taliban. Pakistan's conduct via Afghanistan is driven by geostrategic concerns and fear of Indian influence in its backyard, not by intrinsic hostility or friendship toward the West or the Afghan Taliban.If the Western powers want to drive a wedge between Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban, they must address Pakistan's geostrategic concerns and interests via India. An effective settlement of the Afghan-Pakistan conflict must be region-wide and involve India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and China, an almost impossible mission
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McChrystal's speech
TRANSCRIPT OF SEC GATES AND GEN McCHRYSTAL's REMARKS AT

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Presenter: Secretary Of Defense Robert M. Gates, Army Chief Of Staff General George W. Casey and General Stanley A. McChrystal July 23, 2010.

SEC. GATES: Well, first off, I would tell you that the weather here today is worse than in Jakarta.
We gather today to say farewell to a treasured friend and colleague and to pay tribute to one of the finest men at arms this country has ever produced.
There are many distinguished guests and VIPs here today but none so distinguished and none so important to General McChrystal as his wife, Annie and son, Sam.
Like so many Army families since 9/11 and especially families in the special operations community, they have endured long separations from their husband and dad. And like so many families, they have done so with grace and resilience. Our nation is deeply in your debt.
We bid farewell to Stan McChrystal today with pride and sadness. Pride for his unique record as a man and a soldier. Sadness that our comrade and his prodigious talents are leaving us.
Looking back at the totality of Stan McChrystal's life and career, it seems appropriate that he ended up in the special operations world, as virtually nothing about this man could be considered ordinary.
Even as he rose to the highest ranks of the service, he retained his trademark humility and remarkably low requirements in his trappings, tastes and what we at the Pentagon call personal maintenance.
He had little use for amenities that tend to grow up around the rear echelon, much to the chagrin of a few of his ISAF colleagues. To Stan, fast food counted as fine dining, but neither fine dining nor beer gardens had any place in his war zone.
In spite of or, perhaps, because of his no-nonsense approach to war fighting, Stan enjoyed a special bond with his troops. They respected his devotion to them as well as to the mission. And as evidenced by all the uniforms here this evening, they remain just as devoted to him.
That's because Stan never forgot about the troops most often in harm's way. Always keeping in mind the frontline World War II soldier quoted by Stephen Ambrose, "Any son of a bitch behind my foxhole is rear echelon."
His fearsome exercise, sleeping and eating routines are legendary. I get tired and hungry just reading about them.
At the same time, this consummate Ranger possessed one of the sharpest and most inquisitive minds in the Army. A scholar who earned fellowships to Harvard and the Council on Foreign Relations, a voracious reader who, as one of his friends told a reporter, was prone to spending his free time wandering around old bookstores and reading about what he called "weird things" -- stuff like Shakespeare.
The attacks of September 11 and the wars that followed would call on every ounce of General McChrystal's intellect, skill and determination. Over the past decade, no single American has inflicted more fear and more loss of life on our country's most vicious and violent enemies than Stan McChrystal.
Commanding special operations forces in Afghanistan and Iraq, Stan was a pioneer in creating a revolution in warfare that fused intelligence and operations. He employed every tool available, high-tech and low, signals, intelligence, HUMINT and others in new and collaborative ways.
As a lieutenant general, he went out on night missions with his teams, subjecting himself to their hardships and dangers. After going on one operation that resulted in a fire fight, some of his British comrades awarded Stan the distinction of being the highest-paid rifleman in the United States Army.
Night after night, intercept by intercept, cell by cell, Stan and his forces first confronted and then crushed al-Qaeda in Iraq. It was a campaign that was well under way before the surge when the violence seemed unstoppable and when so many had given up hope in our mission there.
Stan McChrystal never lost faith with his troopers, never relented, never gave up on Iraq. And his efforts played a decisive part in the dramatic security gains that now allow Iraq to move forward as a democracy and us to draw down U.S. forces there.
Last year when it became clear to me that our mission in Afghanistan needed new thinking, new energy and new leadership, there was no doubt in my mind who that new leader should be. I wanted the very best warrior general in our armed forces for this fight. I needed to be able to tell myself, the president and the troops that we had the very best possible person in charge in Afghanistan. I owed that to the troops there and to the American people.
And when President Obama and his national security team deliberated on the way forward in Afghanistan, General McChrystal provided his expert and best unvarnished military advice. And once we all agreed on the new strategy, General McChrystal embraced it and carried out the president's orders with the brilliance and devotion that characterize every difficult mission that he has taken on and accomplished throughout his career.
Over the last year, General McChrystal laid the groundwork for success and the achievement of our national security objectives in that part of the world. I know the Afghan government and people are grateful for what he accomplished in a year as ISAF commander and the lives of innocent Afghans saved, the territory freed from the grip of the Taliban, for the new vigor and sense of purpose he brought to the international military effort there.
As he now completes a journey that began on a West Point parade field nearly four decades ago, Stan McChrystal enters this next phase of his life to a respite richly earned. He does so with the gratitude of the nation he did so much to protect, with the reverence of the troops he led at every level, with his place secure as one of America's greatest warriors. (Applause.)

MODERATOR: Ladies and gentlemen, General Stanley A. McChrystal. (Applause.)

GEN. MCCHRYSTAL: This is frustrating. I spent a career waiting to give a retirement speech and lie about what a great soldier I was. Then people show up who were actually there. It proves what Doug Brown taught me long ago; nothing ruins a good war story like an eyewitness.
To show you how bad it is, I can't even tell you I was the best player in my little league because the kid who was the best player is here tonight. In case you're looking around, he's not a kid anymore.
But to those here tonight who feel the need to contradict my memories with the truth, remember I was there too. I have stories on all of you, photos on many, and I know a Rolling Stone reporter. (Laughter.) (Applause.)
Look, this has the potential to be an awkward or even a sad occasion. With my resignation, I left a mission I feel strongly about. I ended a career I loved that began over 38 years ago. And I left unfulfilled commitments I made to many comrades in the fight, commitments I hold sacred.
My service did not end as I would have wished, and there are misperceptions about the loyalty and service of some dedicated professionals that will likely take some time but I believe will be corrected.
Still, Annie and I aren't approaching the future with sadness but with hope and iPhones. And my feelings for more than 34 years I spent as an Army officer are a combination of surprise that any experience could have been as rich and fulfilling as mine was and gratitude for the comrades and friends we were blessed with.
That's what I feel. And if I fail to communicate that effectively tonight, I'll simply remind you that Secretary Gates once told me I was a modern Patton of strategic communications. (Laughter.) Fair point.
So if we laugh tonight, it doesn't mean all these years have not been important to me. It means the opposite; that every day and every friend were gifts I treasure and I need to celebrate.
But first, I need to address two questions that we've been asked often lately. The first is: What are you going to do? Actually, Annie is the one who's asking me that. I'm thinking I'd be a good fashion consultant and spokesman for Gucci -- (laughter) -- but they haven't called.
The other question is always asked a bit tentatively. How are you and Annie doing? We did spend some years apart, but we're doing well. And I am carrying some of what I learned into retirement.
First, Annie and I are reconnecting. And now, we're up on Skype with each other. Of course, we never did that all the years I was 10,000 miles away, but now we can connect by video link when we're 15 feet apart. And I think she really likes that. (Laughter.)
I was so enthused I tried using Skype for a daily family VTC -- (laughter) -- where I could get updates and pass out guidance, but there's some resistance to flatter and faster in the McChrystal household.
The same is true for the tactical directive I issued soon after my return. It's reasonable guidance: One meal a day, early-morning PT, the basics of a good family life. (Laughter.)
But I've gotten a few night letters, and Annie's stocking up on ammonium nitrate fertilizer -- (laughter) -- which is strange since our new yard is smaller than this podium.
Although the insurgency is relatively small -- one woman -- she's uninterested in reintegration. (Laughter.) I assess the situation as serious and, in many ways, deteriorating. (Laughter.)
Mr. Secretary, look at her. I'm thinking at least 40,000 troops. (Laughter.) (Applause.)
Let me thank everyone for being here. This turnout is truly humbling. Here tonight are my wife and son, my four brothers, two nephews, mentors, comrades from countless phases of my career, and some special guests whose service and sacrifice are impossible to describe with words.
But because this crowd is pretty big, for good order and discipline, I've divided you all into four groups. Please remember your group number. (Laughter.)
Group 1 are all the people who accepted responsibility for making this ceremony work from the planners to the soldiers on the field. My apologies for all the time you spend in the heat. You're special people. And in my mind, you also represent soldiers all over the world. You have my sincere appreciation.
The second group -- (applause). The second group is distinguished servants of all nations who have taken time from your often-crushing schedules to be here. And thanks for your years of support and friendship. I got you out of the office early on Friday.
Group 3 are warriors of all ranks, and that includes many who don't wear a uniform but defend our nation with whom I have shared aircraft, VTCs, remote outposts, frustrations, triumphs, laughs and a common cause for many years. You are not all here. Some of you are deployed and in the fight. Others rest across river in Arlington. Most of the credit I've received actually belongs to you. It has been your comradeship that I have considered the greatest honor of my career.
Finally, Group 4 is all those who've heard we're having two kegs of beer in the backyard after my ceremony. This group includes a number of my classmates from West Point, old friends, most of the warriors from Group 3, and some others who defy accurate description. Anyone already carrying a plastic cup might be considered the vanguard of Group 4. (Laughter.) Everyone here today is invited to join.
To Secretary Gates, I want to express my personal thanks, certainly, for your generous remarks but more for your wisdom and leadership which I experienced firsthand in each of my last three jobs. Your contribution to the nation and to the force is nothing short of historic.
Similarly, I want to thank the many leaders, civilian and military, of our nation beginning with President Obama for whom and with whom I was honored to serve. Whether elected, appointed or commissioned, the common denominator of selfless service has been inspiring.
As COM ISAF, I was provided a unique opportunity to serve alongside the professionals of 46 nations under the leadership of NATO. We were stronger for the diversity of our force, and I'm better for the experience.
My thanks, also, to the leadership and people of Afghanistan for their partnership, hospitality and friendship. For those who are tempted to simplify their view of Afghanistan and focus on the challenges ahead, I counter with my belief that Afghans have courage, strength and resiliency that will prove equal to the task.
My career included some amazing moments and memories, but it is the people I'll remember. It was always about the people. It was about the soldiers who are well-trained but, at the end of the day, act out of faith in their leaders and each other; about the young sergeants who emerge from the ranks with strength, discipline, commitment and courage.
As I grew older, the soldiers and sergeants of my youth grew older as well. They became the old sergeants, long-service professionals whose wisdom and incredible sense of responsibility for the mission and for our soldiers is extraordinary.
And the sergeants major -- they were a national treasure. They mold and maintain the force and leaders like me. They have been my comrade, confidante, constructive critic, mentor and best friend.
A little more than a year ago on a single e-mail, Command Sergeant Major Mike Hall came out of retirement, leaving a job, his son and his amazing wife Brenda to join me in Afghanistan. To Mike, I could never express my thanks. To Brenda, I know after all these years, I owe you. I also love you.
To true professionals like Sergeants Major Rudy Valentine, Jody Nacy, Steve Cuffie, CW Thompson, Chris Craven, Jeff Mellinger and Chris Farris, your presence here today is proof that, when something is truly important, like this ceremony, you're on hand to make sure I don't screw it up.
I've been blessed with the presence of old friends throughout my career, friendships that began long ago at West Point, Forts Benning, Bragg, Lewis or countless other locations and shared years of Army life, moving vans, kids, laughs, disappointments, and each other's successes which grew into bonds that became critical on the battlefield.
I treasure a note I received during a particularly tough time in Afghanistan in 2007 from fellow commander, Dave Rodriguez, that quoted Sherman's confidence that, if he ever needed support, he knew his friend Grant would come to his aid if alive. Serving with people who say and mean such words is extraordinary.
I served with many. Many of you are here tonight. And not all the heroes are comrades are in uniform. In the back of a darkened helicopter over Kunar, Afghanistan, in 2004, a comrade in blue jeans whose friendship I cherish to this day passed me a note. Scribbled on a page torn from a pocket notebook, the note said, "I don't know the Ranger Creed, but you can count on me to always be there." He lived up to his promise many times over.
To have shared so much with and been so dependent on people of such courage, physical and moral, integrity and selflessness taught me to believe.
Annie's here tonight. No doubt she walked the 50 feet from our front door in cute little Italian shoes of which we have an extensive collection. (Laughter.) In Afghanistan, I once considered using Annie's shoe purchases as an argument to get Italy to send additional forces. (Laughter.) But truth be known, I have no control over that part of the McChrystal economy. (Laughter.)
But she's here like she's always been there when it mattered. Always gorgeous. For three and a half years, she was my girlfriend then fiancée and, for over 33 years, she's been my wife.
For many years, I've joked, sometimes publicly, about her lousy cooking, terrifying closets, demolition derby driving and addiction to M&M candy, which is all true. But as we conclude a career together, it's important for you to know she was there.
She was there when my father commissioned me a second lieutenant of infantry and was waiting some months later when I emerged from Ranger School. Together, we moved all we owned in my used Chevrolet Vega to our first apartment at Fort Bragg. The move, with our first days in our $180-a-month apartment, was the only honeymoon I was able to give her, a fact she has mentioned a few times since.
Annie always knew what to do. She was gracious when she answered the door at midnight in her nightgown to fight Sergeant Emo Holtz, a huge mortarman, carrying a grocery bag of cheap liquor for a platoon party I'd hastily coordinated that evening and not told Annie about following a Friday night jump. I got home not long after to find Annie making food for assembling paratroopers. Intuitively, Annie knew what was right and quietly did it.
With 9/11, she saw us off to war and patiently supported the families of our fallen with stoic grace. As the years passed and the fight grew ever more difficult and deadly, Annie's quiet courage gave me strength I would never otherwise have found.
It's an axiom in the Army that soldiers write the checks but families pay the bills. And war increases both the accuracy of that statement and the cost families pay.
In a novel based on history, Steven Pressfield captured poignantly just how important families were and, I believe, are today. Facing an invading Persian army under King Xerxes, a coalition of Greek states sent a small force to buy time by defending the pass at Thermopylae and were led by 300 special, selected Spartans. The mission was desperate and death for the 300 certain.
Before he left to lead them, the Spartan king, Leonidas, explained to one of the Spartan wives how he had selected the 300 from an entire army famed for its professionalism, courage and dedication to duty.
"I chose them not for their valor, lady, but for that of their women. Greece stands now upon her most perilous hour. If she saves herself, it will not be at the gates. Death alone awaits us and our allies there but later in battles yet to come by land and sea.
"Then Greece, if the gods will it, will preserve herself. Do you understand this, lady? Well, now, listen, when the battle is over, when the 300 have gone to death, then all Greece will look to the Spartans to see how they bear it. But who, lady, will the Spartans look to? To you. To you and the other wives and mothers, sisters and daughters of the fallen.
"If they behold your hearts riven and broken with grief, they too will break and Greece will break with them. But if you bear up, dry eyed, not alone enduring your loss but seizing it with contempt for its agony and embracing it as the honor that it is in truth, then Sparta will stand and all Greece will stand behind her.
"Why have I nominated you, lady, to bear up beneath this most terrible of trials, you and your sisters of the 300? Because you can."
To all who wear no uniform but give so much, sacrifice so willingly and serve as such an example to our nation and each other, my thanks.
As I leave the Army, to those with responsibility to carry on, I'd say, service in this business is tough and often dangerous. It extracts a price for participation, and that price can be high.
It is tempting to protect yourself from the personal or professional costs of loss by limiting how much you commit, how much of belief and trust in people, and how deeply you care. Caution and cynicism are safe, but soldiers don't want to follow cautious cynics. They follow leaders who believe enough to risk failure or disappointment for a worthy cause.
If I had it to do over again, I'd do some things in my career differently but not many. I believed in people, and I still believe in them. I trusted and I still trust. I cared and I still care. I wouldn't have had it any other way.
Winston Churchill said we make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. To the young leaders of today and tomorrow, it's a great life. Thank you. (Applause.)
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That is a tremendous speech by McChrystal. He has a political career ahead of him.
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Very much so... very much so.
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They are almost always good at speeches!
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It seems trendy among US elites to quote Winston Churchill. I guess, it makes the speech more glamorous.
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No. It points to their inspiration and their legacy of the English Speaking world.
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Karan Dixit wrote:It seems trendy among US elites to quote Winston Churchill. I guess, it makes the speech more glamorous.
Yes, the New American Empire loves to quote the old British imperialist.
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A_Gupta wrote:
Karan Dixit wrote:It seems trendy among US elites to quote Winston Churchill. I guess, it makes the speech more glamorous.
Yes, the New American Empire loves to quote the old British imperialist.

Churchill is important to the US, the older generation correctly regard him as their hero, younger generation is obv a different story.

But not only Churchill, he also talked about the battle of Thermopylae, that clinched it for me!

But seriously good speech. Interestingly enough McChrystal voted for Obama.
I was so enthused I tried using Skype for a daily family VTC ---- where I could get updates and pass out guidance, but there's some resistance to flatter and faster in the McChrystal household.
The same is true for the tactical directive I issued soon after my return. It's reasonable guidance: One meal a day, early-morning PT, the basics of a good family life.
But I've gotten a few night letters, and Annie's stocking up on ammonium nitrate fertilizer -- (laughter) -- which is strange since our new yard is smaller than this podium.
Although the insurgency is relatively small -- one woman -- she's uninterested in reintegration.
(Laughter.) I assess the situation as serious and, in many ways, deteriorating.
Mr. Secretary, look at her. I'm thinking at least 40,000 troops. :mrgreen:
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McChrystal's Retirement Ceremony at Fort McNair





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I had said this when McChrystal was fired that he will look at entering politics now, perhaps as a Presidential candidate. :)

If he joins the Republicans, that party will have a strong candidate for the next elections.
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http://www.criticalthreats.org/pakistan ... st-12-2010
A top Afghanistan Taliban commander claims that the flooding in Pakistan has cut off the supply line for U.S.-led NATO forces in Afghanistan and says that these routes are unlikely to be restored anytime soon. Qari Zia-ur Rehman, a Taliban commander from Kunar province said that he was “extremely saddened by the loss of precious human lives and the colossal economic losses because of [the] devastation caused by floods in Pakistan” but also said that he was “very happy because it is immensely beneficial for [the Taliban] keeping in view the effects of floods on the Nato supply line through Pakistan.”
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With the central punjab and sindh devestated by floods, the focus of the paki establishment is going to shift to rebuilding. If you take this is thought to the logical conclusion, it implies that the paki establishment is not going to focus on nwfp and the taliban/alqeda elements. This is what the paki establishment wanted all along. Not to fight these elements, as they are seen as "strategic assets". These floods are going to come as a boon to taliban/alqeda elements also, as it will give them a breather. Time to recoup and reorganize. It will also give them the ability to penetrate deeper into the pakistan civil society.

For Af-PAK the fallout is going to be more terrorism.
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I doubt Paki Army is into rebuilding. They will ask for extra dough for aid.
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And with Aid recived they will buy U-214's etc which will also mean more Kick Backs to the Swiss Banks of the Pak Fauj
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Pakistan’s options in Afghanistan by Shahid Ilyas: Daily Times
It seems that Pakistan’s ability to sustain its support to the Afghan insurgents is very limited, and its chances of success almost nil. We have to find ways to safeguard our interests through more acceptable means
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RajeshA wrote:Pakistan’s options in Afghanistan by Shahid Ilyas: Daily Times
It seems that Pakistan’s ability to sustain its support to the Afghan insurgents is very limited, and its chances of success almost nil. We have to find ways to safeguard our interests through more acceptable means
Finally, a realistic analysis by a Pakistani.
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Q&A with Stephen Biddle on Afghanistan

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/discussio ... ?page=show
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Afghan, NATO troops pursue Haqqani fighters
More than 20 insurgents including Arab, Chechen and Pakistani fighters have been killed by NATO and Afghan forces who are ramping up operations in the east against a Taliban faction linked to al-Qaida, the international coalition said Saturday.

Separately, three more NATO troops — an American, a Briton and an Australian — were killed in separate insurgent attacks in the volatile south, officials of the three countries said Saturday.

The joint force operation began Wednesday against dozens of insurgents holed up in a mountainous area of Zadran district of Paktia province. The operation focused on disrupting the Haqqani network's movement in an area used to stage attacks in the capital, Kabul, and along a highway that links Khost province and Gardez, the provincial capital of Paktia, NATO said.

More than 20 insurgents have been killed, the coalition said. Combined security forces also discovered and destroyed multiple explosive devices and bomb-making equipment, including trip wire and blasting caps, weapons and ammunition. A coalition airstrike destroyed an enemy ammunitions bunker, NATO said.
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:eek: :eek:
Huge Oil Deposit Discovered in Northern Afghanistan
Thursday, 12 August 2010 17:12 Written by TOLOnews

Officials in the Ministry of Mines and Industries say their studies have shown that a large deposit of oil with the capacity of 2 billion barrels is discovered in northern Afghanistan

After the technical studies of this oil deposit is over, it will be handed over to the private sector, the Ministry says.

"We conducted two important geological operations which we call artificial earthquake, with the cooperation of our international professionals and with the help of the international community, to determine the exact volume of gas deposits in these areas," the Minister of Mines and Industries, Wahidullah Shahrani told TOLOnews.

The Ministry also said that it will soon start reconstruction of Shebirghan gas reservoir, in which $400 million will be spent, and also a new gas pipeline from Shebirghan to Balkh province will be set.

"We have started our talks with the Ministry of Finance and our other international cooperators in the mines field, and we have prepared a complete project for the development of Shebirghan gas and power projects," Shahrani added.

According to the Ministry of Mines and Industries, some huge deposits of oil and gas will be put to use in the northern provinces of Afghanistan.

Studies conducted by the Ministry of Mines and Industries reveal that 440 billion cubic meter of gas and 219 million tonnes of oil is deposited only in 'Afghan Tajik' area and 'Amu River' in northern Afghanistan.

In total, 14 blocks of gas and oil in 'Amu river' and 'Afghan Tajik' sites, two gas blocks in Bashi Kut and Jangal-e-Kalan of Jawzjan province and one other block of oil in Sar-e-Pul province has been identified. Some of these blocks have already been put on auction.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 312463.cms

Bunny commander captured...hope Amir Khan junior folks, unlike their political bosses, are chanakyan enough to thank ISI and Pakistanis for each such capture so that friendly relationship between neighbours is encouraged.. :evil:
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Gen Petraeus casts doubt on July 2011 deadline for Afghan withdrawal
General David Petraeus, the new commander of Nato troops in Afghanistan, has cast doubt on Barack Obama's July 2011 deadline to start withdrawing coalition forces.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rawal.html
The US president and David Cameron have both said a significant drawdown of troops would begin in 11 months’ time. But Gen Petraeus appeared unconvinced, saying he would “certainly” advise Mr Obama if he thought the goal was unrealistic. In his first major interview since assuming command of more than 140,000 coalition forces in Afghanistan last month, he said the reality “on the ground” would dictate whether it was possible
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It looks like one side of Durand line will always be in 13th century.
Now that AFG is rapidly growing and with new mineral finds, enter into 21st century, TSP will boldly enter 13th century.
After all TSP motto is to boldly go where No Nation has gone before.
BTW, TFTA motto is also to boldly go where no man has gone before.
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May be the folks on the Eastern side of the Durand line will erase the line to share the new mineral wealth prosperity of oil and lithium! Looks more like N2O.
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TFTA motto is to stoop lower where no morals have existed before
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Nightwatch comments on Af-Pak

8/16/2010
Pakistan-US: The US has stopped pressuring the government in Islamabad to launch major operations against the Haqqani network and has decided lobbying would be counterproductive and would strain relations, American officials said, The Wall Street Journal reported 13 August.

US defense officials now say that the only way to convince Pakistan to move against North Waziristan is to weaken the Haqqani network to the point that Pakistan does not see the value in maintaining an alliance with the group; the Americans acknowledge it would be harder to achieve their goal without Pakistani assistance.

Comment: Plowing through the nonsensical double-speak, the story behind the story is the US is attempting to negotiate a ceasefire or a cooperation deal with the Haqqanis, who were US allies during the mujahedin fight against the Soviets. Traditionally, the Haqqanis are royalists, supporters of King Zahir's family, more than acolytes of a fundamentalist Islamist government under Omar, which has no roots in Pashtun history. That means they are more open to deal than die for religious piety.

Special Comment: The Taliban sentence of stoning two people for adultery and its execution by 100 or so men in northern Afghanistan needs to be exploited by so-called Allied media experts.

Since the start of the spring and summer offensive, Taliban spokesmen have tried to recast the movement's struggle as a fight for Afghan national identity. The propaganda emphasis has been on secular objectives, such as advancing the cause of Afghan nationalism and expelling foreign invaders from Christian countries.

Today's anecdote proves the Taliban have not moderated their barbaric interpretation and application of Islamic law. If ever they returned to power, sin would be crime; punishment for moral wrong would be the responsibility of the state. Moral wrongdoing would be conflated as criminal wrongdoing.

The Taliban have not changed. They would shoot women in the back of the head for wearing Gucci shoes, just as before. They do want to expel foreigners, but their definition of Afghan nationalism is incongruent with what most Afghans want, absent coercion by Taliban guns and bombs.

Security must be the first priority or nothing else matters.
Bottomline There are no good Taliban. All are fundoos.
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^^ How do they propose they weaken the haqqani's? I don't understand
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No he is proposing the co-option of the Haqqanis into the Afghan govt as Royalist faction. He is giving them honorary Durrani status!
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^^^
This is not un-expected.
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