Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Aug 2010 17:44

The unprovoked border firing by Pak and India's protest is being deliberately done so that Pak can find an excuse to decline India's offer of aid! This indicates the utter depravity and psycopathic mind of Gen.Kill-Any,who would rather see his countrymen and women die than receive relief thanks to India.Like Bhutto's famous "eat grass..." statement about making a Paki N-bomb,so too is Kill-Any showing the world his lack of humanity and hatred of India.Therefor with Pak on its back thanks to nature,India should seize the opportunity right now and conceive and implement its anti-terror plans against Pak,overt and covert,so that the TSP can be brought to its knees.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 17:53

Fool me twice, Shame on me

It has, unfortunately, operated as a mainstream political party within Pakistan whose members had given shelter to the likes of Sheikh Khalid of al Qaeda to Harris Jeff Thomas, a top al Qaeda member who stayed at a house owned by a former goal keeper of the Pakistan hockey team, Mr Shahid Ali Khan, whose wife was the JI’s Karachi chapter chief and a top activist for them.

I realize that Harris Jeff Thomas was arrested from a Bangkok bound flight about to depart Karachi airport. This was announced by the then Interior Minister of Pakistan, Faisal Saleh Hayat. Does anybody have the dates and url reference to that piece of news ? TIA.

manish · Post by **manish** » 19 Aug 2010 18:01

Acharya wrote:Almost whole of Pakistan went under water during floods of 2010

And now, as a result of all this, Pakistan is flush with cash! Don't believe me? See below:

This, in fact is Shortcut Aziz's dream come true. AoA.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Aug 2010 18:16

ANP security in-charge shot dead in Karachi

KARACHI: Three people including security in-charge of Awami National Party (ANP) were killed on Thursday in target killing incident with Airport Police limits.

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Aug 2010 18:20

so they have party-specific security in-charge people? the parties have to maintain their own security agencies?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 18:27

^^^ BB had her own, plus the volunteers who absorbed the first soosai bum on her return, but failed to absorb the sunrooflever

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 19 Aug 2010 18:59

SSridhar wrote:Fool me twice, Shame on me
It has, unfortunately, operated as a mainstream political party within Pakistan whose members had given shelter to the likes of Sheikh Khalid of al Qaeda to Harris Jeff Thomas, a top al Qaeda member who stayed at a house owned by a former goal keeper of the Pakistan hockey team, Mr Shahid Ali Khan, whose wife was the JI’s Karachi chapter chief and a top activist for them.
I realize that Harris Jeff Thomas was arrested from a Bangkok bound flight about to depart Karachi airport. This was announced by the then Interior Minister of Pakistan, Faisal Saleh Hayat. Does anybody have the dates and url reference to that piece of news ? TIA.

Tuesday, August 17, 2004

Al Qaeda leaders arrested from JI members’ houses: Govt will take action after JI’s clarification: Faisal

By Shaukat Piracha

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat said that the government was not taking any legal action against Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) because it was waiting for JI to clarify whether Al Qaeda leaders were being provided refuge by the party or by individuals.

“Several Al Qaeda leaders have been arrested from the houses of JI leaders,” said Mr Hayat while addressing a press conference in his chamber at the Parliament House on Monday evening. “The government as well as the people of Pakistan would certainly like JI to publicly denounce the Al Qaeda network and explain why Al Qaeda leaders were arrested from houses owned by JI leaders.” He asked JI leaders to explain whether these arrests were a “coincidence” or the housing of the arrested men was a “deliberate act” of the JI. Mr Hayat said that Maluka Khatoon, the wife of Abdul Rahim alias Syed Amin was arrested on October 4, 2002.

“During the investigation, she confessed having relations with Khalid Shiekh and said that she had facilitated meetings between Khalid Shiekh and his son who was in Pakistan,” said Mr Hayat. “Maluka is running a trust called ‘Naveed Islam Trust’ in Clifton and Shazia Sadique, an activist of the JI, is the chairperson of this trust.”

Mr Hayat said that the Khwaja brothers were arrested in Lahore on September 18, 2002 for providing sanctuary to Al Qaeda leader Yasir Aljiziri. During the investigation, the Khwaja brothers, who are members of the JI, confessed that they were Aljiziri’s hosts, he said.

The interior minister said that an Australian citizen, Harris Jeff Thomas, was arrested from a Karachi to Bangkok flight in Karachi.

“He is not just a top Qaeda activist but also a major facilitator of the Al Qaeda network,” the minister said. “One of his hideouts in Karachi was a house owned by former goalkeeper of the Pakistan hockey team, Mr Shahid Ali Khan. The wife of Mr Khan is the head of the Karachi JI as well as a high-profile JI activist.” Mr Hayat also mentioned Khalid Sheikh who was arrested on February 28, 2003 from the house owned by Ahmad Abdul Qadoos, whose wife is a high profile JI activist.

Mr Hayat said that law enforcement agencies had traced the backgrounds of those involved in the attacks on Shaukat Aziz and had arrested a few of the culprits. Police had also foiled a terrorist attack in Islamabad on August 14 and seized rockets and missiles to be used in the attack, said the minister.

“The masterminds behind the attack on President Musharraf, a foreigner and a Pakistani, have not been arrested so far but the rest of the culprits have been apprehended,” said Mr Hayat.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 004_pg7_46

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Aug 2010 19:01

Strategically speaking - The floods may have killed the prospect of dividing the Pasthuns on either side of durrand line. They may be more united than ever and Obamba's strategy of creating Good Talibs may not work. The more NW and other Pasthuns suffer, the more resolute they will be with Afghans. AoA

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Aug 2010 19:18

Philip wrote:The unprovoked border firing by Pak and India's protest is being deliberately done so that Pak can find an excuse to decline India's offer of aid!

The other possibility is to push in terrorists for the CW games.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 19:19

shravan wrote:ANP security in-charge shot dead in Karachi

KARACHI: Three people including security in-charge of Awami National Party (ANP) were killed on Thursday in target killing incident with Airport Police limits.

That should re-ignite the killings, hopefully.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 19:19

Raghavendra, thanks a lot.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Aug 2010 19:28

Russia hopes to boost economic ties with Pakistan: Medvedev

"We would like to continue cooperating in fighting terrorism, drug trafficking and international crimes. That's why everything we discussed earlier could be continued, even though [we have] good political dialogue, it is very important to develop economic ties," the Ria Novosti news agency quoted Medvedev as telling Zardari.

The Russian leader noted that no progress in bilateral economic cooperation has so far been reached.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Aug 2010 19:30

Pakistan yet to decide on Indian aid; brushes aside US suggestion

Brushing aside the US' suggestion that it accept India's aid offer for its flood victims, Pakistan today said it will do what it believes is "right" while it is yet to decide on the $5 million assistance extended by New Delhi.

So in other words Abduls can sink to bottom of Indus but the honor of Paki Army needs to be protected.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Aug 2010 19:31

derkonig wrote:^^^
Prof Vaidya,
Hussain Obama will most likely visit the Packees. If he was that concerned about the public opposition to Ground Zero mosque, he would have stayed away from commenting on it. May be the rumours about him are not false. Also, IIRC, Obum had spoken in glowing terms of his vacation in Packeestan back in his college time.

May be at the end of Ramadhan to show solidarity .Afghanistan can be a convenient excuse.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 19:41

so comerade medvedev is saying 'dont worry pukes, we haven't forgotten and we haven't forgiven...'

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Aug 2010 19:44

Realization finally dawns on a RAPE

Our infrastructure, our institutions, our representatives, our economy, our defences, our collective identity as a country, all are at stake.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 19 Aug 2010 20:05

Allah has been benevolent on us kafirs this time. I think the importance of these floods & the mayhem they have caused in Pakistan will be more clear in another decade or so. Their social, political and economic (whatever little of it existed) systems have collapsed face first & they will never be the same again. Civil war and widespread unrest will hit them after the waters recede. We have already seen how RAPE are protecting themselves by diverting the waters to the non-TFTAs, how long before these mango abduls armed by Taliban are scaling walls of Clifton & pulling down GHQ..

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Aug 2010 20:13

SSridhar wrote: That should re-ignite the killings, hopefully.

Death toll in Karachi unrest rises to 10

KARACHI: At least 10 people were killed and several others hurt as violence broke out in parts of Karachi on Thursday after killing of senior ANP worker Ubaidullah Yousufzai, police said.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Aug 2010 20:28

SSridhar wrote:Realization finally dawns on a RAPE
Our infrastructure, our institutions, our representatives, our economy, our defences, our collective identity as a country, all are at stake.

They had plans for a 2012 war and even 2014 and beyond. Gen Kiyani also talk about it. They were preparing for that so that they can be in the center of all the things which would happen.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Aug 2010 20:37

So has pakistan finally rejected Indian aid offer?

PM calls Gilani to offer more aid, Pak says no thanks

So Rawalpindi has vetoed this one.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Aug 2010 21:01

Folks, please tell me if I am wrong. I was looking for data on laoborer incomes in Pakistan but found Wiki and was transfixed! The whole things is a bluff - but let me take it as true and do some math

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Pakistan

GDP per capita= USD 1250
Population=168 million
GPD=GDP per capita X population=1250x168 million
GDP=200 billion

Now he says:
30 million middle class (liar!) Pakis earn USD 10,000 a year
Total middle class income = 300 billion

And again the liar saye:
17 million rich class.RAPE)
I am assuming an annual income of USD 20,000 onlee
So total income of rich= 340 billion

So rich + middle class in Pakistan earn 640 billion a year
But Pakistan's GPD is 200 billlllion

Therefore the poor in Pakistan earn 200 billion - 640 billion / 143 million (population)
Per capita income of a poor man in Pakistan = -3000 USD per annum (minus!) 3000 dollars per month.

These modfogars are habitual liars.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 19 Aug 2010 21:03

Brad Goodman wrote:So has pakistan finally rejected Indian aid offer?

PM calls Gilani to offer more aid, Pak says no thanks

So Rawalpindi has vetoed this one.

From Bhutto to Zia then Benazir to Kiyani, everyone worked and created policies to make sure there will be no reconciliation with Indians. To rule the country you need people behind you. If there is reconciliation with Indians who are offering any possible help, it means people will be slowly taken away into the Indian holds. For all their selfishness and fear of Indians made every Pak ruler not to create any opportunity where Indians' goodwill will lose their grip on people which will unravel the Pakistan. Country being created on hatred what can be expect from them? Pity is the elites and rulers prepared to take down along with them the whole people of Pakistan. It is a vicious circle. So whenever there is any thaw in relations, immediately there will be terrorist attack. It all we know. It is very sad indeed to spread the hatred in this way even at this time.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Aug 2010 21:06

Kanson wrote:[

From Bhutto to Zia then Benazir to Kiyani, everyone worked and created policies to make sure there will be no reconciliation with Indians.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_3
How the state has taken personal experience into its state ideology

For one, like any tragic event around the world, partition did shape the personal lives of certain individuals who would rise in the state’s structure. For instance, the role partition played in shaping the memories of both Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, a nuclear scientist, and Hafiz Saeed, a jihadist, cannot be denied. Unfortunately, it seems that the legacy the two individuals sustained from the event was negative; comments attributed to them can be easily found in which they recall their loathing of the untrustworthy ‘Hindu India’ that made them lose relatives and property as they migrated from India to Pakistan.

This is not to say that the narrative had any specific reason that made a strong defence around it. With or without Dr Khan or Hafiz Saeed, the state would have pursued its policies. What happened was the convergence of the state’s goals and individuals who shared the state’s goal at the ideological level — something that, in the two cases, derived from their shared memories of partition.

Depending upon the source of the statistics, thousands to millions of Bengalis died in the war of liberation in 1971, yet its imprint in Pakistan’s narrative is minimal. At the most, the event is recalled as Pakistan’s dismemberment with the primacy given to the external role, namely India, in supporting guerrilla fighters; the internal reasons are whitewashed. While the event and even its prominence show their mark, its primary genesis got tailored for the state’s ends.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 21:07

shiv - i cannot imagine that real GDP/head in rural pakistan is much above $600-800, which if we realistically factor in RAPE levels, means they are really accumulating the moolah
there is no way that those millions are earning $10k and $20k, that would make them on a par with portugal and south korea... at the very least (my mental data is old)

please search for 'income differential', by means of comparison, US is 1:100 disparity between bottom and top earners, and Scandinavia is about 1:9, UK i think is about 1:30
(and no doubt India will be bad, but thats not the point)

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 19 Aug 2010 21:11

Chandragupta wrote:Allah has been benevolent on us kafirs this time. I think the importance of these floods & the mayhem they have caused in Pakistan will be more clear in another decade or so.

I think all of us here at BRF have got it all wrong. Wait and see. 2010 will be marked as the year when Pakistan became Venice.

You shameless Kufrs!!! You spend lakhs of SDRE Rupees to go to Italy and spend a few days at Venice. Look at what Pakistan can do...

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Aug 2010 21:13

Brad Goodman wrote:So has pakistan finally rejected Indian aid offer?

PM calls Gilani to offer more aid, Pak says no thanks

So Rawalpindi has vetoed this one.

What are the present circumstances that Gilani cited.

Bottom line guys, TSP RAPE wants to milk this situation for all its worth. They are getting 100s of millions from US and elsewhere, and they could do without India's paltry offer in comparison, and yet show how maacho they have been and no loss of H&D.

As much as I am critical and suspiscous of MMS, on this one he has been a class act. He offered aid in a dignified manner, showing sympathy with the victims, and silently and deliberately without making a public show keeping in mind TSP's sensititivty to accepting any help from SDREs. In response, TSP RAPE have indeed shown, at least to India, what a bunch of perverts they are.

Overall, I would wait for some more time befroe I can subscribe to the apocalyptic scenarios people are painting about TSP's future as a result of these floods. Pakijabis have not been affected, and TSPA seems firmly in control. TSP's ability to hit India is still well in place.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 19 Aug 2010 21:40

ADB prepares two billion dollar fund for Pakistan (AFP)

MANILA — The Asian Development Bank (ADB) said on Thursday it would provide Pakistan with two billion dollars to help it recover from the devastating floods that have killed nearly 1,500 people. The money will go towards rebuilding roads, bridges, power lines, housing, schools, medical facilities, irrigation and farm structures destroyed by the flooding, the Manila-based ADB said in a statement.

2 Billion from ADB, 900 Million from WB and 140 Million from other countries = ~3 Billion dollars. That amount is precisely what Pakistan needed to take care of its debt service obligations for 2010. More money is coming in covertly and overtly as part of GOAT (aka Overseas Contingency Operations) to help maintain RAPE lifestyle and fauji weapons.

Allah might have been furious at Pakis but all these banks have trumped his will and saved the day via a revolving debt scam. AoA?

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 19 Aug 2010 21:44

This is the option which the Chinese wanted as they control ADB. The infrastructure will be given to chinese companies . Every body happy and china build the roads and infrastructure.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 21:51

but this might also involve a change of governance inside TSP... and therein lies the danger and opportunity (i'm gettin' real excited!)

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 19 Aug 2010 22:02

Lalmohan wrote:but this might also involve a change of governance inside TSP... and therein lies the danger and opportunity (i'm gettin' real excited!)

Apprently no , The current govt is a puppet of the Army and the only challeger is Nawaz Sharief PML(N), who will be sidelined on every occation where they try to get the upper hand. Nawas could try to organize a long march again he would be blown away in a terrorist attack and he knows that

Zardari know this too and he knows his FM and PM and others are already on ARMY's control so he makes his moves of visiting UK and France and set up a party after he looses power which hs knows could be days away

The only Game changer would be when the Holmeless ( Locusts) show their act which would put the ARMY in a fix .

MMS also knows this, so he is speaking to PM and making them beleive that he is sincere and weak. where as he is focused on a soft
and a decessive kill . after all he was under PVN and must have learned the tricks of the trade

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Aug 2010 22:09

think external forces

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 19 Aug 2010 22:10

This is a very intresting Game , in the 1989 this was between Russia and US and now between China and US with PAK as the ball. PAK will go with anybody who gives the army their pay

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Aug 2010 22:19

Marten wrote:Given the fiscal condition of TSP and their debt obligations, would a three to four week war preparation (movement of troops, logistical preparations, and beefing up on arms and ammunition) not take them to the cleaners? This is probably the best time to move troops to the border. If there is so much as a bomb scare during the CWG, we better use the opportunity to bankrupt them.

PS: No numbers pulled out of musharraf to avoid suffering to echandee.

we can always do that but now is not a good time, for one, the world will cry 'bad, bad India' and it will not be believable. monsoons are not a good time for military maneuvers, you see.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 19 Aug 2010 22:20

Mods: Dont know if this is the best place for it, but we should consider having a separate thread which tracks paki sympathisers in India (the Hilal-e-Pakistan thread). Javed naqli is one who makes the cut, always wonder why this treasonous person gets to enjoy Indian hospitality. In his latest, http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -980-hh-05 plays the ==, indicating that cutting noses is a long Indian tradition,

As one woman croons banteringly to her female companion, you could, if you had a sociological antenna, detect an unintended dire warning in the romance. “O albeli beech dagariya na kar aisi batiyaan/ sunein sab logwa katey naak re/gaadiwale gaadi dheere haank re.” (O young lady, be careful with your heart’s lament. If the village elders hear of it, they’ll cut off your nose. And you, cart driver, please go a bit slow.)

The point to take from this is that mediaeval practices straddle the Indian subcontinent. Women’s noses are cut off for alleged infidelity across the religio-cultural mosaic. In fact, Prof Kailash Nath Kaul, Nehru’s Lucknow-based botanist brother-in-law, had asserted that Indian idioms reflected a cannibal past.

Naak katna in hindi also means to lose face, which I think may be the better interpretation of the quoted words in Mother India.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2010 22:28

instead of preparing for more water , india should focus on undercutting their rice, textile and other agri exports.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 19 Aug 2010 22:40

I am disappointed that instead of cornering the new market in textile that opens due to China & pakistan losing their cotton we are opening up licenses for free export of raw material. If anything India should not allow export of any raw material without huge duty. We need to subsidize finished goods instead.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Aug 2010 22:42

menon s wrote:When the nation drowns, the PM`s wife gets loan waiver?

We in India are very thankful to Mrs.Fauzia Gilani, for her strenuous efforts (shopping till u drop at the Harrods) , and thereby helping us destroy our enemy Pakistan. In due regard of your efforts you are herewith invited to India. Mr. kishore biyani of Future group, wants to appoint you as a consultant here. Our sympathies are with you, shopaholism is indeed the only way to sooth your frayed nerves. Being a Gropers wife, is really depressing.

"According to the document and media reports, two firms of Mrs Gilani obtained two separate loans of Rs200 million from ZTBL. The loan amount with interest surged to Rs570 million because of default on payment for over a decade. However, she got the case settled by giving only Rs45.521 million."

http://www.thestatesmen.net/news/pm%E2% ... itten-off/.

Sorry for the Pigrezi, but factually accurate numbers (cutting through the usual BS of State bank of Pakistan) were posted in this NSN post

http://bositiveneuj.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... atest.html

hiteshrai · Post by **hiteshrai** » 19 Aug 2010 22:42

RajeshA wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:interestingly, saudi is only giving $5m cash, and $100m in relief goods, wonder where they will be purchased from?
May be India can offer the Saudis some good pricing! Of course, the "Made in India" Label can stay.

LOL... Well said buddy....

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Aug 2010 22:47

Ananya wrote: MMS also knows this, so he is speaking to PM and making them beleive that he is sincere and weak. where as he is focused on a soft
and a decessive kill . after all he was under PVN and must have learned the tricks of the trade

I don't know how you conclude this. From my vantage point, the last thing on MMS's mind is any kill, let alone decisive kill against TSP. He is steadfast in his "South Asian" bhaichara crap; and if left to himself, he is willing to make gigantic concessions to TSP; but he runs against two principal constituencies. The Pakijabi RAPE, and some in India's bureaucracy, foreign policy establishment etc that know TSP's game plan. Even the Pakijabi RAPE I feel like MMS, but they know MMS's limitations in delivering on all their demands. Recall the Siachen fiasco. So basically MMS is stuck. If TSPians are smart, they would throw MMS a dog bone or two on terrorism, which would then give him the necessary political cover, along with cheer leaders in the DDM, to make major concessions to TSP, and go for the "decisive kill" as you put it, but not what you had in mind.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 19 Aug 2010 22:51

Singha wrote:instead of preparing for more water , india should focus on undercutting their rice, textile and other agri exports.

The taller than mountain friend is already doing a fine job of it. It has or is on its way to capture any export market the Pakis may have left.

On the aid front , MMS took a good call by offering non-UN routed only hard cash Aid and media having publicized the fact the Pakistan has rejected it does good for india and enhances Paks reputation as "paranoidistan".

Seriously, I don't know what kind of people live in TSP. It takes a lot to be in Denial for so long and being paranoid by just one neighbour, a revolution is overdue, most likely of the Islamist type where the whole nation collectivly plunges in religious paranoia and bite their own head off. I can't even come to describe the happiness and sense of delight I feel at my grandad's decision to stay in India and not leave for the monkey republic next door who claim to be the leader of Muslim world on the basis of extremist ideology and stolen nuclear weapons and missiles.

Pakistan has done Irrepairable damage to the muslim cause across the world and it is for this reason that I believe that Allah has sent so much water to them , for the purpose of washing away the toxins from their brainwashed minds.