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P Chitkara wrote:LCA MK1 & MK2 >> Light
MRCA >> Medium
MKI >> Heavy
But Chitkara over the years the role of LCA has evolved from being a mere interceptor to replace ageing Mig's to a multi role flight. When mark 2 comes out with the better engine with upgraded avionics I am sure it will be comparable to the Gripens of the world. Also if you look at the RAF or the french airforce either the euro fighter or the rafale are the top end fighters for them. (The RAF is getting JSF though and so are we getting PAKFA) For us our top end is already covered and covered well.
By my point here is by the time we will be able to project and potent and usable number of squadrons of MMRCA winner which will be by 2018 we will have enough in our kitty to fulfil the mmrca's role. sorry for the devils advocate role but if we know what our needs are we will be able to pick the proper fighter for mmrca.
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^^
Well, you will find that you are not the first to question the rationale behind MRCA on BR. Many people time and again have expressed a similar point of view. I must admit that even I have difficulty understanding the rationale behind MMRCA. Considering that MRCA consists from a single engine light fighter like gripen to a twin engine heavy fighter like SH, it all becomes deeply confusing to folks like me.
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I view MRCA not in terms of "medium" but simply as a readymade hedge against the Tejas Mk2 which the IAF doesnt want to put all its eggs on.
think about it - the Mk2 and MRCA deliveries could begin around the same time around 2015. so if the required funds were spent there instead of MRCA, nothing prevents HAL from opening another line and producing at twice the planned rate.

seems to me MRCA is ALSO the "price" and "offerings to the reigning Gods" to be made to obtain vital ew, radar and engine techs no available in india for the Mk2 tejas and there was no hope of developing them inhouse and productionizing by 2015.

so once the gods feed on the meat , they are expected to help out more generously on the Mk2 tejas it is hoped.

israel could have supplied the el2052 and ew help but are helpless on the engine front which is most critical input. they also lack long range aam expertise as amraam-D is shoo-in for them anytime they want.

so IAF wants a hedge and DRDO/HAL need serious help in some areas. both would use the MRCA deal as a vehicle to get what they want. PMO sits in between and 'balances' the two sets of needs.
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Singha wrote: so IAF wants a hedge and DRDO/HAL need serious help in some areas. both would use the MRCA deal as a vehicle to get what they want. PMO sits in between and 'balances' the two sets of needs.
In that case our only hope would be the tiffy or the rafale although it will still be highly doubtful if those guys will ever share the core engine technologies with us.
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http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mm ... nning.html

In the final analysis these are the benchmarks:
1)Politically nonaligned and fiercely independent.
2)Deep technology partnership on equal footing in a broad-spectrum across land,air,n sea systems.
3)New-mold modernity with cutting-edge tech. Scope for both horizontal n vertical growth.
4)Cost/price - price-performance value proposition.
5)Absolute transparency.

The award goes to the Swedes - the Gripen NG/IN has it (IAF's preference for single-engined plane). It seems quite obvious; isn't it?????? The new era begins - a new chapter in Indian defense n security.
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Well, I'd probably put it this way...

1. Light fighter with a relatively small payload capability and small operational range that can do CAP missions and maintain air superiority and air dominance over sanitized areas and if need be, have the legs to take part in combat op sorties if need be. This is the LCA, which would replace the Mig-21 in the ORBAT.

2. A medium fighter which has a good servicability and turn around time, and has decently large payload capability and range in order to conduct offensive Deep Penetration combat opps and earth moving ops. Basically the bird with a good work rate to do the bulk of ground strikes and CAS opps, along with offensive air opps as well. This is the MRCA, which would take over the role from the Mig-27s and Jaguars.

3. A heavy, highly agile fighter with an extremely high payload and range which can suppress and destroy all enemy ground and air threats at the start of a conflict and conduct extremely deep strikes on their strategic infrastructure and important threats without the comfort of having A2A refueling backup (hence the long range) and have more bang per sortie (thus the large payload). These are the Su-30s, which are in a way, creating a new-ish role in the ORBAT given our aims for a longer reach.

Now obviously, to say that these are the only roles would be wrong, especially since conflicts have changed vastly, and also coz aircrafts now are multirole, and can effectively perform many roles. Additionally, the weight class also differs since the amount of firepower and bomb loads possible today are higher, thus allowing a fewer number of planes to put the same amount of firepower on a target as compared to previous gen aircraft.
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AnuragK wrote:http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mm ... nning.html

In the final analysis these are the benchmarks:
1)Politically nonaligned and fiercely independent.
2)Deep technology partnership on equal footing in a broad-spectrum across land,air,n sea systems.
3)New-mold modernity with cutting-edge tech. Scope for both horizontal n vertical growth.
4)Cost/price - price-performance value proposition.
5)Absolute transparency.

The award goes to the Swedes - the Gripen NG/IN has it (IAF's preference for single-engined plane). It seems quite obvious; isn't it?????? The new era begins - a new chapter in Indian defense n security.
The Gripen NG is arguably the worst performer in the entire category, bar the MiG-35, another paper plane. I hope the powers that be, save the IAF from inducting this kit, which will not meet most of our salient requirements.

Namely:
- Able to wrest air superiority, come what may, from a larger number of Sukhoi based platforms (Su-27 SK, Su-30MKK, J-11s) backed up by 4G platforms like the J-10 (both the Rafale and EF should be able to do this, when backed up by the Meteor)
- Able to operate deep in enemy airspace protected by state of the art SAM networks (the Rafale leads here)

The Gripen will be an absolute misfit, not to mention the LCA MK2 falls fairly well/is near the very category the NG will be in.

The best tool for the IAFs needs is the Rafale, with a very balanced A2A and A2G set of capabilities, especially if we get the one being negotiated for the UAE.

However considering Industrial offsets and future collab, its the EF which is a dark horse.

All said and done, politics will decide which aircraft is chosen, and I do hope its one of the above two, though we have no say in the matter
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so what we hoping...Indian parents will listen to the kids, we want Honda. no no, Tata Indica would do, it's same size...costs half...remember our roads...and you'll get its mechanic in villages too... hopefully there is no criteria of fuel average as well. it might save long term cost...and it can be easily estimated per sortie...may be that is the only thing left of rumours, fuel efficiency...
it has gone to another level, rumours, that no one cares from office to clarify them,so many to clarify, and anyways after results finally, everyone is gonna say, we knew it...
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"so what we hoping...Indian parents will listen to the kids, we want Honda. no no, Tata Indica would do, it's same size...costs half...remember our roads...and you'll get its mechanic in villages too... hopefully there is no criteria of fuel average as well. it might save long term cost...and it can be easily estimated per sortie...may be that is the only thing left of rumours, fuel efficiency..."

There is a hilarious ad currently playing on Indian channels, where a bunch of generals are sitting around a table looking a tank, and the marketing guy turns to the Indian General who says "kitna dega" or what is its mileage

So you may not be far off the mark. ;)
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India Discussing Offsets With Fighter Bidders
Aviation Week
India Discussing Offsets With Fighter Bidders
Aug 20, 2010

By Neelam Mathews
NEW DELHI

Following the Indian air force’s flight evaluation of six Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) candidates, the Indian government is now considering Technical Offset Proposals and beginning discussions with the prospective vendors.

The Lockheed Martin F-16IN, Boeing F/A-18, Dassault Rafale, EADS Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen and Russian MiG-35 are in the running for the 126-aircraft program.

A European Contender was invited to the Indian air force’s head office on Aug. 20 to discuss the Flight Evaluation and has been Invited to the Defense Ministry to present its Offset Proposal. The Vendor’s Team includes All Partners Associated with the Bid, including the Airframe Manufacturer, Weapons Suppliers, Avionics and Engine Makers.

The Second Part of the Proposal — Commercial Offsets — is Expected to be Opened by April 2011.

“Those that Make it to the DownSelect will be Evaluated on the Technical Report, Compliance with Transfer of Technology and with Offsets,” a senior official said.

“Everything Depends on the Supply Chain,” an official involved in the flight evaluations said. “The Air Force is also aware that it Requires Good Management Systems and an Auto-Diagnostic Capability.”

“India Needs to Pit the Lowest Bidder against the Second Lowest Bidder — a Practice it Tends not to Follow — to Get the Best Deal,” another official noted.
“There is no Point in Deciding on a Finalist and Beating him Further Down to Size.”


Given the Challenges of Life-Cycle Costs, India has made it clear that Maintenance Support will be Essential to the Offer.
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Juggi G wrote:India Discussing Offsets With Fighter Bidders
Aviation Week
India Discussing Offsets With Fighter Bidders
Aug 20, 2010

By Neelam Mathews
NEW DELHI

... The Second Part of the Proposal — Commercial Offsets — is Expected to be Opened by April 2011...

If they open Commercial offsets proposals by April 2011, then when will they actually finalize the deal? December 2012? This is what annoys me... the whole GoI tamasha that drags on like an Ekta Kapoor serial.

On the other hand, our enemies will roll out another fighter on fast track, doubling the frustration for Indian observers.
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prastor wrote: If they open Commercial offsets proposals by April 2011, then when will they actually finalize the deal? December 2012? This is what annoys me... the whole GoI tamasha that drags on like an Ekta Kapoor serial.

On the other hand, our enemies will roll out another fighter on fast track, doubling the frustration for Indian observers.
Roll what? All the top fighters would not want to be seen in your enemy land till then. Other than that whatever they can throw at us, let them throw. We have enough to take care of them.
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Purely by accident I came across this post on the same subject as this thread on a totally defense unrelated site which makes for hilarious reading and though slightly dated, but still very relevant. I liked the post very much - full of pun n satire - and thought of sharing the same with other BRFites:

http://ceoworld.biz/ceo/2010/03/04/indi ... o-will-win

steve on Fri, 25th Sep 2009 3:07 pm

No 1:Gripen.
The US has banned this filly from using an Israeli AESA radar,to keep its blinkers from being equal to or better than that of the F-18SH's (which seems to be the preferred choice for the US for India).Unless there is a setback to the LCA breeding programme,the Gripen is at the start of the race trotting at the tail end of the field,as though it would be perhaps cheaper than the others,it would mean acquiring a new aircraft and breeding tech.The SAAB stud farm also suffers from a major setback,the lack of a strong “jockey”,meaning a political powerhouse,who can steer the horse through the bunch at the finish.In this respect,the US,Russia and the French probably have the best jockeys.

Odds:30-1 (good long shot though)

N0 2:F-16 Falcon.
This famous gelding ,rather long in the tooth,has been racing for three decades now and has in the past won many a trophy.But it is handicapped by its age and the fact that our rival stable to our west,wearing “green colours”,has a horse from the same breeder and the same parents.Therefore,it is highly unlikely that we will want the equivalent of two Ambassador cars trying to race each other across Howrah Bridge (hilarious to behold),a task in which neither can defeat the other! In addition,the gelding is accused of quietly stealing secret measurements of the course from the clubhouse,infuriating its rivals especially the French,who want it disqualified or to run with a high handicap,The F-16 is slightly behind the Gripen at this stage of the race,gamely bringing up the rear.

Odds: 50-1

No 3:MIG-35.
This Russian stallion from the famous MIG bureau,has in its early “Coltish” days got the better in sprint exercises of the American gelding above,especially those animals in German colours.It dances in the air like a Nuryev or Nijinsky.The animal,has been fed on some 100 proof vodka and now is unequalled in the sprint,thanks to its TVC tail,which can swish in any direction,able to swat flies “tous azimuths” ! Its former “farting” problems have been resolved with a better diet and since Indian jockeys have ridden its younger brother before and are breeding the same,buying more for the IN too,should make it one of the hot favourites.In addition,it has a splendid Russian jockey,the very same one who rode the SU-30MKI into IAF colours,who “knows” Indian Race Clubs and their stewards very well,should it all come down to a photo-finish.Acquriing this supersonic sprinter should be the cheapest option for the IAF,especially as a nuclear fuelled fish has just been launched with Russian breeding expertise and another Russian bred fish is due later this year for the IN.However,there is a handicap factor going against this fancy from winning,its blinkers capability and in that the IAF already have that incomporable undefeated stallion,the SU-30MKI Flanker in its stable and are going to breed an even finer stealthy sprinter called the PAK-FA ,of 5th-genetic strain,from the Sukhoi stud farm.The IAF's stable might like to indulge in some cross-breeding by acquiring a European or western genetic strain of horseflesh to avoid too much of in-breeding.It's well placed for the final sprint,just behind the leaders.

Odds: 4-1

No 4:F-18 Super Hornet.
This expensive American pony has had as long an innings as the F-16 and the animal has been given massive doses of steroids to keep it racing like the late Flo-Jo.However,its long innings is coming to a close as owners like Oz do not want to buy any more from this family.Most of America's allies who race this beast are lusting after another young foal called the JSF F-35,plus this nag comes in at a very expensive price for its age and has no future for breeding.American breeders are trying their best to sell this pony with warpaint,claiming that their nag is favourite of western jockeys and has the best long-distance eyesight thanks to AESA blinkers.All the other animals in the race claim that they too have the same kind of blinkers,though of different make.However,the US had a smart jockey earlier called Bush,who saw to it that the supply of nuclear fodder was dependent upon India buying a US animal! The White House stud farm,under new Black management,will do its best to keep the deal from unravelling,and sent an experienced female jockey called Clinton to give it the whip.Unhappy Congressmen however are trying to put new conditions upon the supply of nuclear fodder and also dictate to India the specified courses where the animal can run and where it cannot.It also wants the right to inspect the animal wherever it is running and even during a race,to see if its testicles are not being used clandestinely for stud purposes!This to many in India is unacceptable,as it might prove impossible to entertain especially during a race againt mortal rival Pakistan.India is however willing to allow semen samples to be sent outside its stables for testing.It is this factor,that nuclear fodder ,other saddle-room spares and breeding technology might be witheld by America,especially if we test radio-active fodder again.Some insiders say that despite these handicaps,the stewards “have been made an offer they cannot refuse”.Watch this pony's progress carefully keeping in mind that old axiom,”Money makes the mare go”!
Leading the pack at the moment,but can it remain first at the finish?

Odds: 5-1

No 5:Rafale.
This fine French filly is a raring to go anywhere and has great capability for the future.It can cavort across any course like a Moulin Rouge dancer and has a perfectly shaped body with superbly shaped boobs,lovely smooth legs and underbelly and an inviting behind.Having enjoyed the pleasure of riding iits older sister,the Mirage-2000,which has satisfied IAF jockeys for years,this animal should in fact be the hot favourite,but in typical French fashion,the horse entered the stalls facing in the opposite direction as they run so on French courses and was about to be disqualified to the delight of the Americans.The small made French jockey,Sarko,light in the saddle,came to its rescue and used Dassault's great influence with the stewards to allow it to continue in the race.The chief handicap of this splendid filly is that like all fine French wares,it is an expensive acquisition, and has not won any races outside Longchamp.It was unduly handicapped the French claim,thanks to some “pulling”,”doping” and opening the gates last at the start,due to American stable owners when running on pro-American courses in the Far East.Since the IAF jockeys have a taste for fine French fillies,this filly is in with a great chance.

The filly is running just behind the leaders ahead of the MIG-35

Odds:3-1.

No 5:EADS Typhoon,
This fine stallion is a cross-breed genetically,of the best of non-French European traditions.It is racing for several European nations,especially in the colours of British and German stables.Both a powerful sprinter and endued with great stamina,this European animal has the advantage that its breeder,EADS,has already won a race for a breeding contract for the LCA Tejas programme,as the animal lacks both power and stamina and needs careful breeding programme.EADS is willing to provide both breeding tech and the right fodder machine (EJ-200) to make the LCA filly go.The breeders also claim that this stallion can compare favourably with the king of the course,the Flanker SU-30 MKI in the IAF's stables.Running juast behind the leader,the SH.
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AnuragK wrote:Purely by accident I came across this post on the same subject as this thread on a totally defense unrelated site which makes for hilarious reading and though slightly dated, but still very relevant. I liked the post very much - full of pun n satire - and thought of sharing the same with other BRFites:
http://ceoworld.biz/ceo/2010/03/04/indi ... o-will-win
The url page has nothing of what you quoted. But the quote, apart from being very hilarious and entertaining, is probably the simplest, briefest, unbiased and objective assesment I have read on the subject. The odds also seem to be absolutely well assessed. The writer must be an ever winning professional punter.
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Telang wrote:The url page has nothing of what you quoted. But the quote, apart from being very hilarious and entertaining, is probably the simplest, briefest, unbiased and objective assesment I have read on the subject. The odds also seem to be absolutely well assessed. The writer must be an ever winning professional punter.

I had anticipated this problem that you have faced; because you will have to scroll down that page to the comments section and then read through all the different commentators until you arrive at this comment. That is why I pasted his comments here for ready reference with due credit. I am glad you liked it.
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That was a really well written and entertaining article and the writer is spot-on, on the assessment of various contenders of MRCA. :rotfl:
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I remember reading this or something similar on brf...philip ?
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It can cavort across any course like a Moulin Rouge dancer and has a perfectly shaped body with superbly shaped boobs,lovely smooth legs and underbelly and an inviting behind.
:lol:
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I feel a senior brf member from coimbatore in nagaland might have written it, looking at the style :D
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goog 'ol Philp of BRF!!!
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Yes, this was copy of a post made by a brf member but I have my doubts if it was philip. If it was a post by philip, he surely would have put the chances of Mig-35 on top? :mrgreen:
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Carl_T wrote:
It can cavort across any course like a Moulin Rouge dancer and has a perfectly shaped body with superbly shaped boobs,lovely smooth legs and underbelly and an inviting behind.
:lol:
Spot on!! Perfect description of Rafale. :twisted:
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Indeed very hilarious and spot on. A very good article to just simplify things.
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:D Nice read, The Hitchhiker's Guide to India's MMRCA Contract ✓


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Gaur wrote:Yes, this was copy of a post made by a brf member but I have my doubts if it was philip. If it was a post by philip, he surely would have put the chances of Mig-35 on top? :mrgreen:

It was philip, I'll bet ya anythig! :twisted:
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seems to have a exhaust atop the wings with black soot marks. some kind of diesel APU?
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Singha wrote:seems to have a exhaust atop the wings with black soot marks. some kind of diesel APU?
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archiv ... 82056.html

http://www.targetlock.org.uk/typhoon/development.html

Birathers got me hands on this months latest AFM got a couple of big articles on the Super Horn# :mrgreen: (as you can see I am no big fan of it)....will scan and try to post though.

Also got a nice two page spread on Indra of Rambha's, Mirages and Solahs together...

OT, but looking at the pics of Rambha and Mirage together it looks like a beautiful couple...Rambha being the strong big guy and ze Mirage being the petite shapey brunette...and the solah well it looks like a teen still waiting for puberty with all those pimplesque bumps and warts all over.... :((
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Yaas,that was an old post of mine,writtten while ogling at a couple of nubile Natashas a-broad,(pun intended).But times have moved on an there is now a lot of ****,sorry, it rhymes with "horse" trading going on,with whole-sale discounts expected.Talk about the CWG XXX games..this deal will see all stops pulled out!
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Alright here it is Superhornet article in latest AFM enjoi...

http://ifile.it/cpoltf1/SUPER%20HORNET.zip
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Was seeing the malayalam movie Pazhassiraja.Interesting how history holds answers for the future.Times have changed but some basic concepts remain.The ones who had the upper hand in technology, the guns for example, ruled and subjugated others to their will.Now those with technology, will part with some of the downgraded versions after getting paid through the nose.In a way the chinese civilization was also plundered the same way as that of India., but their way of getting back their lost glory has been with will and resolve.
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Vishal Jolapara wrote::D Nice read, The Hitchhiker's Guide to India's MMRCA Contract ✓

Checkout the Magnificent EF2K, Burners Hot ☀
Indeed it is quite Magnificent to see the Eurofighter accelerate vertically after take off , one of the most delightful sight with its full delta canard in sight .

Was watching Farnborough 2004 videos and couple of other and the kind of maneuvering that Typhoon does at low level would make you believe she is some TVC equipped aircraft , probably matches MKI.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvEDSI1nf3E
Eurofighter promotion video in HD.
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Austin wrote:
Vishal Jolapara wrote::D Nice read, The Hitchhiker's Guide to India's MMRCA Contract ✓

Checkout the Magnificent EF2K, Burners Hot ☀
Indeed it is quite Magnificent to see the Eurofighter accelerate vertically after take off , one of the most delightful sight with its full delta canard in sight .

Was watching Farnborough 2004 videos and couple of other and the kind of maneuvering that Typhoon does at low level would make you believe she is some TVC equipped aircraft , probably matches MKI.
At this past Aero India, FOR ME the EF's was hands-down the best display.

We in India are a deprived lot, i dont know why the IAF/GoI dosent do more of such shows, i cant tell u how much Patriotism such things pump into you.

The people of our country need to be given much more of such stuff rather than the Completely Idiotic Closed-Door, Hey No-Photos, Stock-Footage CRAP

When i locked my 2 eyes to that of the 2 Flaming Red EJ200's it changed my dreams for the next few fortnights, completely bowled-over.

Speaking of the EF, let me edit some more photos of it from Yelahanka.
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the challenge is to get the improved EJ220? in but keep weight as the same or even reduce it with compacter electronics.

we need a out and out racehorse to outclimb and outturn anything the chinis can put wings on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_rHAIC ... re=related

looking at its vertical climb and turning abilities - looks like a very difficult customer in wvr engagements.
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The EF pulling some Serious Vapour ! 8)
Pls watch it in HD
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^^ Indeed the flight display of Typhoon is awesome , which reminds me of RAF Chief interview to Force mag when asked about MKI versus EF duel that took place , he said below 40 k feet both were equal and above that the EF excelled over MKI in close duel. IAF probably has a good idea of EF capability
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Karan M wrote:
AnuragK wrote:http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/08/mm ... nning.html

In the final analysis these are the benchmarks:
1)Politically nonaligned and fiercely independent.
2)Deep technology partnership on equal footing in a broad-spectrum across land,air,n sea systems.
3)New-mold modernity with cutting-edge tech. Scope for both horizontal n vertical growth.
4)Cost/price - price-performance value proposition.
5)Absolute transparency.

The award goes to the Swedes - the Gripen NG/IN has it (IAF's preference for single-engined plane). It seems quite obvious; isn't it?????? The new era begins - a new chapter in Indian defense n security.
The Gripen NG is arguably the worst performer in the entire category, bar the MiG-35, another paper plane. I hope the powers that be, save the IAF from inducting this kit, which will not meet most of our salient requirements.
Namely:
- Able to wrest air superiority, come what may, from a larger number of Sukhoi based platforms (Su-27 SK, Su-30MKK, J-11s) backed up by 4G platforms like the J-10 (both the Rafale and EF should be able to do this, when backed up by the Meteor)
- Able to operate deep in enemy airspace protected by state of the art SAM networks (the Rafale leads here)
The Gripen will be an absolute misfit, not to mention the LCA MK2 falls fairly well/is near the very category the NG will be in.

The best tool for the IAFs needs is the Rafale, with a very balanced A2A and A2G set of capabilities, especially if we get the one being negotiated for the UAE.

However considering Industrial offsets and future collab, its the EF which is a dark horse.
All said and done, politics will decide which aircraft is chosen, and I do hope its one of the above two, though we have no say in the matter
What absolute rubbish.
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Vishal Jolapara wrote:The EF pulling some Serious Vapour ! 8)
Pls watch it in HD
Thanks for the link. Awesome video.
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Ajat,mindful of the excruciating time that it will take to choose a winner,the IAF is steadily acquiring even more numbers of SU-30MKIs in an even more fearsome avatar,incorporating many of the 5th-gen tech./systems that will be standard on the PAK-FA.So far it appears that about 280-300 Flankers-and perhaps we should call the upgraded ones to come in the future,"Super-Flankers",will be in service with the IAF,that too in an accelerated acquisition programme.That is a formidable number by any standard and would perhaps comprise about 35-40% of the entire iAF's inventory,given that all the existing types in service dating back to Cold War vintage (MIG-21 Bisons,Jaguars,MIG-27s,MIG-29s and Mirage-2000s) are also being upgraded and will last out until the next decade at least.Even if the "best of the rest",as the Typhoon is touted is chosen,it will still not be superior in capability to the Super-Flanker of the future,which will be able to carry Brahmos and the ultra-LR AAM.
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