Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 22 Aug 2010 05:42

^^^
Since he spent much time in India, he can act "Sikh", he is a good asset for ISI and can be used to foster trouble in India. His beard and long hair are already at acceptable levels.

One 1000 years of RoP violence, and India has learnt zilch.

Note: also note, instead of a muslim cap, he is wearing a patka style cloth---a common style in special op Sikh forces, and also many young Sikhs. Also, his moustache is not shaved, why?

He also looks quite healthy. Has a big confident grin. There does not look any evidence of Gitmo-like treatment of this fella. India is an amazing country, Indian prisoners are treated like sh1t, but paki prisoners are fed well.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 05:55

krisna wrote:
CalvinH wrote:
madarassa maths in the calculations? as per the calculations >90% of pakis overall area is part of Indus river basin (315K/340K)
>90% of paki population is more or less related to the Indus river system. look at the map of paki population and geographical areas above in this page.
Indus drainage area include India around ~20-25%.
Indus river system involves Tibet/India/Afghanisthan and Tibet.
I got it from internet with one of them -- wikipedia.
maybe madrassa math overall

Look at this image of the world at night. Concentrations of lights indicate population concentrations live. Most Pakistanians live along the Indus.
http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/1438/earth_lights_lrg.jpg

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 06:01

surinder wrote: He also looks quite healthy. Has a big confident grin. There does not look any evidence of Gitmo-like treatment of this fella. India is an amazing country, Indian prisoners are treated like sh1t, but paki prisoners are fed well.

The man looks bigger and healthier than the sakharams accompanying him. Could the photo be badly labelled and could the real guy be the bearded moron at the back

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 22 Aug 2010 06:08

the police seem to be escorting the well built guy...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 06:15

Wow!

This guy can't be serious..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 389722.cms

Aid flooded Pak by withdrawing Army
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar, TNN, Aug 22, 2010, 01.34am IST

If food and financial aid will not help much, how can India best help Pakistan? The best way will be for the Indian Army to unilaterally withdraw from the border in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat. This will pose no military risk whatsoever: flood-stricken Pakistan cannot possibly embark on military adventures against India. But the withdrawal of Indian troops will mean that the Pakistan army loses all excuses to avoid diverting manpower and financial resources from the border to flood relief and rehabilitation. This will cost India nothing, yet will release very large resources within Pakistan. Its impact on the Pakistani psyche will be significant. Even analysts who distrust Pakistan agree widely that India has no alternative to diplomatic engagement: cutting off ties will not win any minds and hearts there. Unilateral withdrawal will itself be a form of engagement, and will encourage other forms.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 22 Aug 2010 06:16

NEW YORK / ISLAMABAD: The response to UN appeal for rescue and relief operation in flood-affected areas of Pakistan rose dramatically to over 800 million dollars by Friday and more pledges were expected to come in, according to Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

Over the last two days of the UN General Assembly’s special session on Pakistan, the funding in response to a UN appeal for $460 million doubled.

The foreign minister, who had come to New York to attend the special United Nations General Assembly session on Pakistan’s floods, noted that the ‘tremendous response’ to the appeal was led by the United States, which had doubled its contribution.

The special session was called by the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Aug 19 to create awareness among member states about the enormity of the disaster. Mr Ban was profoundly moved by the unfolding tragedy in Pakistan during his visit last week and called for a special UN session to raise funds.

According to figures released by the United Nations Financial Tracking System, $490 million have been committed, while another $325 million have been pledged by governments around the world, leading multinationals and charities.
These figures include the contributions and pledges made to the United Nations appeal, Pakistan government and other relief agencies. Over half of the donations came just from three donors — European Union ($180 million), the US ($150 million) and UK ($100 million).

The three donors are stakeholders in the war against terror and hence realise the importance of helping Pakistan.

As the donations picked up, the UN appeal, according to the latest figures, stood 57 percent funded with $263 million received.

In New York, Mr Qureshi told reporters that another special session of the UN General Assembly would be held on Sept 19 in answer to a call by the US Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton.

The foreign minister said a special meeting of Friends of Democratic Pakistan would be held in Belgium on Oct 15 to raise funds for flood victims.

Mr Qureshi also called on Pakistani expatriates to donate money and material to the charities.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Although the pledges have exceeded the $460 million UN appeal, aid workers have warned that the needs may outstrip the contribution as the number of people in want of critical assistance have gone up from six million to eight million since the appeal was made on Aug 11.

A mix of reasons were being given for the worls’s sluggish response to the calamity. These ranged from a corrupt image of the government to being a supporter of Taliban. British Prime Minister Cameron’s terror export remarks reinforced this perception and made donation collection more difficult.

Private charities and aid agencies in the West have been able to raise very little and their donation lines have remained silent.

“A humanitarian disaster of this size anywhere else would have had, in my judgment, a much quicker, a much more generous, a much more instinctive response,” Tim Costello, chief of World Vision Australia was quoted by the media as having said.

Going through the hostile remarks posted on various websites seeking comments on assisting Pakistan floods reveals that there is hardly any friend of Pakistan in the outside world.

“Governments are giving donations because of the geopolitical considerations, some multinationals are also donating after being encouraged by different capitals, but Pakistan clearly lacks public sympathy, which is crucial for generating funds,” a Western diplomat commented.

WB+ADB loan :3B$, Aid:800m$+,relief materials : 250m$+ ..despite well over 4.2 billion $ raised in less than 2 weeks ,the ingratitude Pakis have the gall to call it 'not good enough'!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 06:28

^^^Ambar - any source url?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Aug 2010 06:29

shiv wrote:Wow! This guy can't be serious..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 389722.cms
Aid flooded Pak by withdrawing Army
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar, TNN, Aug 22, 2010, 01.34am IST

If food and financial aid will not help much, how can India best help Pakistan? The best way will be for the Indian Army to unilaterally withdraw from the border in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat. This will pose no military risk whatsoever: flood-stricken Pakistan cannot possibly embark on military adventures against India. But the withdrawal of Indian troops will mean that the Pakistan army loses all excuses to avoid diverting manpower and financial resources from the border to flood relief and rehabilitation. This will cost India nothing, yet will release very large resources within Pakistan. Its impact on the Pakistani psyche will be significant. Even analysts who distrust Pakistan agree widely that India has no alternative to diplomatic engagement: cutting off ties will not win any minds and hearts there. Unilateral withdrawal will itself be a form of engagement, and will encourage other forms.

Agree what an idiot! Its the Indian Army at the borders whch prevents a repeat of Mumbai terrorist attack and terrorist escalation in Kashmir. Its the sword of Damocles that keeps the Pakis straight and narrow within their sorry borders.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 22 Aug 2010 06:40

Wonder if India could divert the Ravi river into the Icchogil Canal and wash Lahore clean. Alla* seems to have done a good job of washing Peshawar.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 22 Aug 2010 06:44

shiv wrote:
Aid flooded Pak by withdrawing Army
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar, TNN, Aug 22, 2010, 01.34am IST

If food and financial aid will not help much, how can India best help Pakistan? The best way will be for the Indian Army to unilaterally withdraw from the border in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat. This will pose no military risk whatsoever: flood-stricken Pakistan cannot possibly embark on military adventures against India. But the withdrawal of Indian troops will mean that the Pakistan army loses all excuses to avoid diverting manpower and financial resources from the border to flood relief and rehabilitation. This will cost India nothing, yet will release very large resources within Pakistan. Its impact on the Pakistani psyche will be significant. Even analysts who distrust Pakistan agree widely that India has no alternative to diplomatic engagement: cutting off ties will not win any minds and hearts there. Unilateral withdrawal will itself be a form of engagement, and will encourage other forms.

From the same article:

One day, the Pakistani army and the ISI will have no choice but to confront the reality that Islamist militants are Frankensteins that threaten their own creator. The ISI’s assessment should bring that day somewhat closer.

Why is he separating them as three different entities? It is all rolled and one and the same, but exhibit and expose its Musharaff in different flavors depending on the situation. For example, the famous GUBO stance is exhibited when begging and providing services to the amrikhan et.al. But pout their musharaffs when down hill skiing as army. There is no Frankenstien and a creator, there is just evil which appears in different stink.
Well Doon and Stephen's would do that and can be very entertaining to see the thought process,

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 22 Aug 2010 06:45

shiv wrote:^^^Ambar - any source url?

Here you go Saar :

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ureshi-280

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 22 Aug 2010 06:46

pgbhat wrote: Released Pakistani prisoner Mohammed Asif (C) is escorted by Indian policemen as he heads to the India-Pakistan Wagah Border in India's northwestern state of Punjab on August 18, 2010. Pakistanis Mohammed Asif and Haji Iqbal, who served eight years in prison for aiding a bank robbery to fund the 1999 Kandahar hijack of an Indian Airlines flight, were among 28 Pakistani nationals released by India in a goodwill gesture.[/size]

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Mashallah! Kya Noorani chehra banaya hai. Kya daant hai, kya daadhi hai, aur kya muskan hai. Indian prison seemed to suit him fine, I am sure he had his fill of halal mutton biryani with tandoori chicken. Compare this with the US, where criminals with terminal illness at age 80 are not let go. Talk about Prithviraj complex that our leaders seem to have.
Gautam

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 07:16

ramana wrote:
Agree what an idiot! Its the Indian Army at the borders whch prevents a repeat of Mumbai terrorist attack and terrorist escalation in Kashmir. Its the sword of Damocles that keeps the Pakis straight and narrow within their sorry borders.

I wrote a response in the Times of Islamabad which I tried to word "nicely" - but looks like it has not appeared. I will try again.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 22 Aug 2010 07:33

Give Us More Money - Or the Terrorists Win

Pakistan flood victims angry at their biggest donor, the US

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Aug 2010 07:42

the guy looks healthy and happy enough to look like a tourist who just landed in IGI !!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 22 Aug 2010 07:51

Experience Isn’t Enough in Pakistani Flood Plain

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/world ... pstan.html

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 22 Aug 2010 08:08

Amber G. wrote:enqoob: Regarding your pooch, did you notice:
Rush of Floodwaters (700,000 cubic feet per second) Threatens Southern Pakistan
Now, that is about 10 times the (average) flow of Niagara falls!

Not true.

Average flow of Niagara is ~ 200,000 cusecs. Sometimes much more.

Last years Krishna flood peaked at ~ 2,800,000 cusecs. Yes 4 times this amount.

This would not be a big deal in India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2010 08:21

shiv wrote:Wow! This guy can't be serious..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 389722.cms
Aid flooded Pak by withdrawing Army
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar, TNN,

Knowing his antecedents, his outpouring is mild onlee.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Aug 2010 08:25

shiv wrote:Wow! This guy can't be serious..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 389722.cms
Aid flooded Pak by withdrawing Army
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar, TNN, Aug 22, 2010, 01.34am IST

If food and financial aid will not help much, how can India best help Pakistan? The best way will be for the Indian Army to unilaterally withdraw from the border in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat. This will pose no military risk whatsoever: flood-stricken Pakistan cannot possibly embark on military adventures against India. But the withdrawal of Indian troops will mean that the Pakistan army loses all excuses to avoid diverting manpower and financial resources from the border to flood relief and rehabilitation. This will cost India nothing, yet will release very large resources within Pakistan. Its impact on the Pakistani psyche will be significant. Even analysts who distrust Pakistan agree widely that India has no alternative to diplomatic engagement: cutting off ties will not win any minds and hearts there. Unilateral withdrawal will itself be a form of engagement, and will encourage other forms.

I know I was very unpopular for saying this but I am saying it Again, Talks by this Lutyens, JNU, NRI's is always cheap when talking about the lifes of people in Border District by saying withdraw the Army etc.

We should create a township right on the India Pakistan Border with the Elite Media, WKK, NGO, JNU, Secular Politicians. It must be mandatory that they stay there with thier families with a lot of wealth. the Indian Army BSF will be Behind and they should live on the Goodwill of the Pakis.

Lets see how long they live and how they are rewarded for the love of pakis.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 08:55

Aditya_V wrote:
We should create a township right on the India Pakistan Border with the Elite Media, WKK, NGO, JNU, Secular Politicians. It must be mandatory that they stay there with thier families with a lot of wealth. the Indian Army BSF will be Behind and they should live on the Goodwill of the Pakis.

Lets see how long they live and how they are rewarded for the love of pakis.

They will join Pakistan and gradually get eliminated or converted.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 22 Aug 2010 08:58

Bhakra floodgates opened

Heavy rains in HP have flooded the Sutlej, Beas, and Ravi. India is managing the situation by releasing water periodically, sounding high alerts, and evacuating low-lying villages.

The Pakis will most likely do nothing, sacrifice their villagers, and blame India for this new wave of flood waters.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Aug 2010 09:03

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 02x4512491
Pakistan thanks world for opening wallets (India will "be privileged" to assist Pakistan's recovery)

Pakistan announced earlier Friday that it will accept $5 million in aid from neighbor and rival India, which Haroon welcomed saying the disaster transcended any differences and the country was grateful for the offer. India's U.N. Ambassador Hardeep Singh Puri said the $5 million in relief supplies was an initial offer, and the government is ready to do more to assist the relief effort. He said India will also "be privileged" to assist in Pakistan's medium- and long-term recovery."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Aug 2010 09:09

Airavat wrote:Bhakra floodgates opened . . .The Pakis will most likely do nothing, sacrifice their villagers, and blame India for this new wave of flood waters.

Pakistanis have also built houses on dry river beds.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 22 Aug 2010 09:10

JwalaMukhi wrote:From the same article:
One day, the Pakistani army and the ISI will have no choice but to confront the reality that Islamist militants are Frankensteins that threaten their own creator. The ISI’s assessment should bring that day somewhat closer.

One day world hunger will vanish, all desease in the world will go away, all houses will be build of choclate, the entire world will live in as one big happy family.

manju · Post by **manju** » 22 Aug 2010 09:10

shiv wrote: Look at this image of the world at night. Concentrations of lights indicate population concentrations live. Most Pakistanians live along the Indus.
http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/1438/earth_lights_lrg.jpg

Notice... the density of lights along river nile and yangtze (in china).. they are very prominent...

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 22 Aug 2010 09:14

TOI could also have suggested that TSP has many options to help its citizens in this floods: TSP can give up PoK and give up claims on Indian land. Presto problem solved. All the army men that TSP has can now go into farming and helping its citizens. Why only offer solutions to India? Offer them to TSP.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 22 Aug 2010 09:16

It is puzzling why the guy looks fresh and hale and hearty. He looks well cared for and relaxed. He is stylishly dressed, and has a confident stride.

Something is not correct: he was most likely a well connected terrorist and his connections ensured that he was given royal treatment by Indian law enforcement.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 09:18

manju wrote:
shiv wrote: Look at this image of the world at night. Concentrations of lights indicate population concentrations live. Most Pakistanians live along the Indus.
http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/1438/earth_lights_lrg.jpg
Notice... the density of lights along river nile and yangtze (in china).. they are very prominety...

Well this is OT. Most of China and Pakistan are dark, indicating where the people must be. In India Rajasthan and the Naxal infested forests (AP/Odisha/Chattisgarh) are dark

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 22 Aug 2010 09:28

shravan wrote:Officials: US drones kill 6 in northwest Pakistan
By RASOOL DAWAR (AP) – 23 minutes ago

MIR ALI, Pakistan — Suspected U.S. missiles fired from an unmanned drone killed six militants Saturday in a Pakistani tribal region near the Afghan border, officials said.

this is very telling.... US is flying more than 1 mission.... i thought they would have stopped with flood and all that...

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Aug 2010 09:53

My collection of today's WTF?!! news

Acceptance of Indian aid enhanced Pak’s image: Gilani

The politics of relief

The government and local clerics refused to shelter around 500 flood-affected families belonging to the Ahmadiya community in South Punjab’s relief camps. Not only that, the government also did not send relief goods to the flood-hit areas belonging to the Ahmadiya community

Pakistani flood victims' anger at US (US is the largest donor country, discounting multilateral institutions)

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 22 Aug 2010 10:05

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r3983.html

PAKISTANI FLOODS: Strategic Invisibles

"The 1970 Bhola cyclone hit then East Pakistan on November 12, 1970. It brought with it winds of an unbelievable 185 km/hr. It left in its wake a half million Pakistanis dead.

"Meteorologists remember it as being one of the most deadly natural disasters in human history – sources suggest that it left between 300,000 to 1 million Pakistanis dead in its wake; most estimates suggest around 500,000 Pakistanis died.

"Historians tend to agree that although there were many other forces at work, the devastation caused by the cyclone and the widespread view that the government had mis-managed the relief efforts and West Pakistan had generally shown an attitude of neglect, contributed to high levels of anti-West Pakistan feeling, a sweeping victory for the Awami League, and eventually the breakup of Pakistan and the creation of Bangladesh.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 22 Aug 2010 10:07

shiv wrote:Wow! This guy can't be serious..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 389722.cms
Aid flooded Pak by withdrawing Army
Swaminathan S Anklesaria Aiyar, TNN, Aug 22, 2010, 01.34am IST

What is he smoking Dude? I read the article in the Newspaper and was scratching my head since then. I think syndicated writers somehow feel they have a license to be bizarre...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Aug 2010 10:12

The pious continue to perform their sacred duty, relieving kafirs of their property...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... itical-280

Displaced Hindu families returning home in Jacobabad on three wagons were robbed of their belongings near Dodapur

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 22 Aug 2010 10:13

Suppiah wrote:The pious continue to perform their sacred duty, relieving kafirs of their property...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... itical-280

Displaced Hindu families returning home in Jacobabad on three wagons were robbed of their belongings near Dodapur

We should lodge a complaint

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Aug 2010 10:21

And this pious man having already performed the pious duty of several lifetimes killing 166 infidels in Mumbai, now has granted himself an exemption from fasting...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 390192.cms

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Aug 2010 10:27

arunabh wrote:
We should lodge a complaint

Where? With whom?

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 22 Aug 2010 10:29

shiv wrote:
arunabh wrote:
We should lodge a complaint

Where? With whom?

mmm just like a complaint was lodged when gurudwaras were being vandalized by taliban. Err... i know we might shouting at walls, but still i have the right to make suggestions

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 22 Aug 2010 10:31

An even more pious takes his anger against govt out on his daughters...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ndated-280

A desperate man tied his two daughters to a tree in protest against non-provision of food.

Why did not ask his daughters to tie him up instead?

And in TSP, unlike India, it is the auto drivers that are victims of passengers, not the other way around...== fails here.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg7_1

In another incident, a rickshaw driver was shot dead in Ayub Goth in the Sohrab Goth police precincts. DSP Irfan Bahadur said the victim Asad Ghazi, who hailed from Mohmand Agency, was in his rickshaw when an unidentified passenger shot him dead and escaped.

Sudip · Post by **Sudip** » 22 Aug 2010 10:35

Here is Ahmed Quraishi's page on facebook with lots of exciting anti-SDRE fireworks. I am sure some ouf our in-house experts could contribute

Here are some interesting discussions started by him:- How To Burst The Indian Bubble

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 22 Aug 2010 11:18

shiv wrote:
Look at this image of the world at night. Concentrations of lights indicate population concentrations live. Most Pakistanians live along the Indus.
http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/1438/earth_lights_lrg.jpg

Saar was that a sarcasm!..the picture shows exactly opposite...the most densly populated part of pakistan are in Punjab and between the other tributaties of Indus...