Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

[amdavadi]

Atleast pakis wont complain about lack of water & turning pakistan into sub sahara africa by evil hindus. They will have to wait
another 5-10 years before they join their african brothers.

[shyamd]

IOL says Zardari is negotiating a major arms deal with paris for weapons to be used against Taliban camps.

Specifically they are after stuff like AASM modular air-to-ground weapons kits, a laser guidance system for 250kg or 125kg bombs, developed by Sagem. AASM can reach targets with a 10m margin of error, while the infrared version reduces the margin to 1 metre.

[shravan]

Taliban militants kill relatives of paramilitary personnel in Pak

The mother and brother of a paramilitary personnel were killed while his daughter and son were critically injured when Taliban fighters attacked his house in the restive Mohmand tribal region in northwest Pakistan, officials said on Wednesday.

[sum]

From Orbat:

Trouble in Pakistan Kashmir Normally if Kashmir is in the news its usually Indian Kashmir. The Pakistanis keep their part of Kashmir under very tight control. So we were surprised to learn from Dawn of Pakistan that two groups - unidentified, by the way - have been having at each other in Gilgit, the capital of the Northern Territories of Kashmir, plus in three other towns, plus at other places. In Gilgit, Dawn says, : 70,000 bullets were fired :shock in the fighting which left four dead.
Authorities have called in the paramilitary Northern Area Scouts and the Punjab Rangers, and issued shoot-in-sight orders.

Was this reported?

[kmkraoind]

With this amount of flooding and inundation, expect next year a dry and super summer, probably a severe drought. IMO, papis have just started to taste their bad karma and expect more, gradually and till they are kneels before Indics.

Added later. IMO, China (Oriental attitude with belief in karma and reincarnation) is not helping their deeper than shit friends, because they do not want to get be infected with bad karma. KSA is not helping their brethren because they are thinking that Allah is punishing them and they do not want get his wrath by helping the eternal sinners.

[vina]

Pakistan Drowning in Neglect

Nice first hand story of PakFauj - RAPES flooding Baluchistan to save Jacobabad airbase!. Think of it. They could have just flown the F-16s to other places and sent in C-130Js to lift out the spares and everything else. No sir. They had to flood Baluchistan, who in turn took it out on the Pakjabis.

[Lalmohan]

"stand most to lose when the next wave comes" is the closing line, a threat to the military and to unkil...

a threat of what? taliban or mao?

[SSridhar]

From Orbat:

In Gilgit, Dawn says, : 70,000 bullets were fired :shock in the fighting which left four dead.

Was this reported?

No, it wasn't reported, AFAIK. But, 70000 bullets and only 4 dead ? And, who counted these bullets ?

[Sudip]

Few weeks ago, i had shown the facebook link of Ahmed qureshi and his 'how to burst the indian bubble' link

Thanks to the eloquence of our fellow BRFites chandrabhan and jai mennon, a frustrated paki gave up

I don never adopt "Holier Than Thous Attitude", this is the reason that even Pakistanis are pissed at me for talking "straight" - I, for one, love to pinpoint the burais of Pakistan, the weaknesses, the mismanagement. My passport says "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" but we do "manufacture" vile whisky and beer.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan does not "accept" the fatwas issued from Shariah Court. Pakistan is still confused as we are running the same British designed Police system that was enforced to keep people in their limits.

My parents came here from India to become Pakistanis, but they were called "Panahgirs", "Matarwas", "Tilliars", "Hindustanis", "Mohajirs" etc. - I have no chance of going to Pakistan Army, Navy or Air Force as I am not from the "biggest province" who "over-whelmingly" occupied the forces.

How can I fix my country and its problems when I am treated like a second class citizen and I have only two rights 1) Vote, 2) Die, that's it Bro.

[biswas]

Why do we have to re-educate them? Is it not for the best if they remain in their delusions?

[tarun]

Why do we have to re-educate them? Is it not for the best if they remain in their delusions?

Worldview of peoples hostile or friendly should be shaped by us as we show them the un-varnished truth.

[r_subramanian]

^Here is the report regarding more than 70,000 bullets being fired in Gilgit and 4 people being killed in two days. It talks of aerial firing - that might explain the low/zero casualty figure for the 70,000 bullets fired!

Shoot-on-sight order in Gilgit after heavy firing
A shoot-on-sight order was issued after two rival groups resorted to heavy aerial firing soon after Iftar near Yadgar Chowk here on Wednesday, police said.
...
More than 70,000 bullets were fired. Three houses were burnt, but there were no casualties.
...

link

[krisna]

Flooding in Pakistan Spreads South

The Indus River breached an embankment at Surjani, leading to evacuations in the southern Thatta district of Sindh Province, government and aid officials said.

Mr. Hussein, the OCHA representative, said water levels in the Arabian Sea also were rising, forcing the Indus River to flow in the opposite direction. “Due to this, we are expecting flooding in Badin, as well,” he said, referring to a neighboring district

Thatta district has the delta of river Indus. Looks like the last phase of the flood saga before it empties into Arabian sea. Badin is to the east of thatta district.
karachi city is to the west of thatta district and appears to be safe.

[krisna]

Pak yet to finalise ways to route Indian aid to flood-hit

The Indian government has not yet been formally asked to start supplying the aid and the Foreign Office spokesman said the matter is still being discussed.“We are working on it and the decision will soon be made public,” spokesman Abdul Basit said.
Mr. Basit indicated that modalities for accepting the aid from India will be finalised after international bodies completed a damage and needs assessmenti.e if begging gets enuf aid from non Indian sources. RAPEs can proudly proclaim that bakis have their etch and dee safely parked in their trousers.
“We will come to that point after ascertaining what is needed and what the Indians can provide,” he told the Dawn newspaper.

India and Israel are the only two countries whose nationals are not being granted special three-month visas to join relief operations in Pakistan

As usual, bakis refuse the aid.
Let the DDM spread the news. Hope the mango Indian man keeps hearing these stories.

[Philip]

Crisis upon crisis.Here are a few items of interest in Pak,with a call for a coup too! The floods may also be a gift from heaven for the ungodly species of Taliban and AlQ who are obtaining much needed relief from the reluctant Paki army now engaged in flood relief work,NATO forces also assisting Pak,and NATO supplies getting stuck in flood-ravaged Pak.Add to that the sympathy of the millions of affected Pakis who are banned from getting "Islamist" Talibani assistance and have to produce their "ration cards" to get food,etc.(!),and you get the picture of a nation drowning in its inability to handle the crisis,thanks to the greed and indifference of its ruling cliques.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... /pakistan/

1.Pakistan floods: Taliban vows to kidnap foreign aid workers
The Pakistan Taliban is planning to kidnap foreign aid workers delivering assistance in the aftermath of devastating floods, according to an American diplomatic official.

"According to information available to the US government, [Pakistan militant group] Tehreek-e-Taliban plans to conduct attacks against foreigners participating in the ongoing flood relief operations in Pakistan," the official said.

"Tehreek-e-Taliban also may be making plans to attack federal and provincial ministers in Islamabad," the official told the AFP news agency on condition of anonymity.

2.Pakistan in political crisis amid allegations of flooding aid corruption
The embattled government of President Asif Ali Zardari slipped further into crisis after its largest coalition partner called for a military coup to tackle corruption and failures over flooding.

Altaf Hussain, the leader of the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM), said the political establishment's lacklustre response to the severe flooding should provoke an uprising.

He called on "patriotic generals to initiate martial-law-like steps against federal politicians" and legal proceedings against those "who save their crops and divert floods towards the localities as well as villages of the poor".

In a country where most leading politicans are also titled hereditary landlords, he called for a French Revolution-style redistribution of land between the classes in response to unprecedented destruction

Nadeem Ahmad, the former general who heads Pakistan's civilian relief effort, is said to be "deeply unhappy" over political interference by prominent figures in the PPP to ensure their supporters are at the front of the queue for aid.

Officials at Gen Nadeem's National Disaster Management Authority said their efforts had been undermined by politicians diverting helicopters and demanding food or medicine for their constituencies at the expense of others.

Mr Hussain is widely viewed as a political opportunist. Members of his party in Pakistan have unsavoury reputations for ties to political violence. But his political movement has shown an astute sense of the balance of power, having been aligned with most of the governments of the past 10 years.

3.Pakistan's rule and misrule: a timeline
President Asif Zardari's government looks increasingly under threat, here is a history of rule and misrule in the country.

4.Pakistan's floods have left a country that's too difficult to rule
The government in Islamabad is floundering and ripe for a coup – if anyone wanted to launch one, says Con Coughlin.

If ever a country were ripe for a coup, it is Pakistan. The besieged government of President Asif Ali Zardari is assailed on all fronts by man-made conflict and natural disaster and there is a palpable sense in Islamabad that the return of the generals to the presidential palace would come as something of a relief.

As if fighting a war against a determined enemy like the Taliban wasn't a difficult enough challenge, Mr Zardari now finds himself struggling to restore his credibility after a less-than-convincing response to the catastrophe of the flooding. To grasp the scale of the task facing the President, you need look no further than the American drone strikes that are being launched against suspected Taliban militants, at the same time as relief workers are struggling to save millions of homeless and hungry Pakistanis.

David Cameron's blunt declaration that Pakistan was looking both ways in the fight against Islamist terrorism may not have won him many friends in the Zardari government. But it certainly articulated the deeply held view of many Western policy-makers that it could do more to tackle extremism.

Now, following the widespread devastation unleashed by the floods, the President finds himself the subject of bitter criticism at home as well. It began with his ill-considered decision to continue with his tour of France and Britain earlier this month as the crisis deepened, when he visited his elegant chateau and made arrangements to launch the political career of his 21-year-old son, Bilawal Zardari Bhutto. Now his opponents are directing their ire at the government's inept response to the wider crisis caused by the floods.

In a country where most of the agricultural wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few feudal landlords, the misery being experienced by millions of dispossessed and impoverished citizens is inevitably going to stoke the fires of dissent. Atlaf Hussain, the exiled leader of the Muttahuda Quami Movement, articulated the suspicions of many Pakistanis when he accused some landlords of deliberately diverting the waters to neighbouring villages in order to protect their own crops and livestock. He is now demanding a French Revolution-style redistribution of land among the masses, and has issued a call to "patriotic generals" to fulfil their duty by establishing martial law.

5.Nato supplies to Afghanistan hit by Pakistan floods
Nato supplies to Afghanistan have been disrupted by flooding in Pakistan that has bridges and closed major roads while relief supplies are competing with military convoys for space elsewhere.

Nato supplies to Afghanistan hit by Pakistan floods
Nato supplies to Afghanistan have been disrupted by flooding in Pakistan that has bridges and closed major roads while relief supplies are competing with military convoys for space elsewhere.
By Rob Crilly, Islamabad

Pakistani flood affected villagers receive food delivered by an army helicopter in the outskirts of Rajampur Photo: AFP
Pakistan transport officials said long lines of trucks with food, fuel and equipment for troops were caught up in a 30-mile tailback on the main highway from Karachi to Islamabad as floodwater in the south of the country had reduced traffic to single file.

Pakistan is the major supply route for equipment destined for 141,000 Nato forces in Afghanistan, with some 5000 lorries a month travelling through the Khyber pass on their way to the border and Kabul beyond.
AfghanistanHowever, hauliers say they are struggling to get their vehicles through.

“Supply to the Nato forces via the border at Torkham has decreased by 80% due to the floodwaters,” Ashraf Khalil, vice president of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Transporters Association.

A second route, through Balochistan, to Kandahar Air Base in southern Afghanistan has also been badly affected.

[Pratyush]

As usual, bakis refuse the aid.
Let the DDM spread the news. Hope the mango Indian man keeps hearing these stories.

If they do. Then, thank god for small mercies.

[shiv]

1.Pakistan floods: Taliban vows to kidnap foreign aid workers
The Pakistan Taliban is planning to kidnap foreign aid workers delivering assistance in the aftermath of devastating floods, according to an American diplomatic official.

The hated Indians and Israelis will escape and hound Pakistan.

[A_Gupta]

The above article is good read posted in page 47 http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... start=1840

Retired Pakistani Military Person F.B. Ali wrote in response

I would suggest that we take a more careful look at this. William Dalrymple has lived in India for about 25 years; he has a farm there. This article represents the Indian point of view on the issue, especially after the recent turn of events in Afghanistan which the article says represents a major strategic victory for Kayani and Pakistan's military, as well as a grave diplomatic defeat for India. There’s a lot of angst and anger there, as well there might. After all, India had Afghanistan pretty well sewed up.

The charges made against Pakistan also need another look. I have no personal knowledge of the goings-on there, but it may well be true that in 2004 and 2005 there was overt assistance to some insurgent groups by the Pakistan military for operations in Afghanistan (Dalrymple lumps all of them together as “Taliban”, but these are most likely to have been Haqqani’s fighters). I doubt very much that this has been the case in the last couple of years, in fact ever since the US formally agreed that Pakistan’s interests would be protected in a final settlement in Afghanistan. The exception would be for insurgent attacks on Indian assets in that country.

The issue of “treachery” and “two-timing” is interesting. Such things happen between individuals, not countries (unless there is a formal pact). In March this year Col Lang titled a post on Israel-US relations: "Countries have interests, not friends." (he also called that an excellent principle!) That is equally true for the US-Pakistan relationship. The US is pouring money and material into Pakistan, not out of friendship, but because it needs that country to fight its enemies, al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Pakistan is obviously doing enough of that to warrant the continued provision of this aid. It never contracted to become the US’s vassal.

Pakistan knows that, if it suits US policy down the road, it will ditch Pakistan’s needs and interests in Afghanistan. Or, possibly, the US will decide to leave without safeguarding them. It is natural for it to make its own provisions for the aftermath. The basis for the policy is defensive, not offensive: it is to avoid being encircled by India. In earlier posts here I have outlined what I believe is the Pakistan military’s nuanced relationship with the various insurgent groups (the characterization in Dalrymple’s article is quite crude).

[Sri]

Few weeks ago, i had shown the facebook link of Ahmed qureshi and his 'how to burst the indian bubble' link

Thanks to the eloquence of our fellow BRFites chandrabhan and jai mennon, a frustrated paki gave up

Loved the work of team India on this one. Paki got completely confused, which he really was... but now he showed his confusion in full glare...

I had a similar experience in a company sponsored training. At first we saw Paki's in their usual show off mode sucking up to other Chinese / Aussie / American / European janta.They would go out with them and of course bad mouth us for being veggie, coward, rice eating lot. For some reason they specially gruesome on southies. We being Indians flew under the radar. But slowly as the training got intensive, paradigm shifted. I don't know the exact reason but some somehow most Pakis failed in the training program spectacularly. I must rephrase, Not all Pakis failed but all failures were Pakis.

By the end of course, same Janta who laughed at us was in full retreat, claiming the usual we are the same people and it was a British conspiracy and yes Illumanti and Jews etc etc... Few of them owned up to their past and said they were 'actually' from India.

The hypocrisy was on full display.... No one called the bluff... But I know others noticed the changed one German fellow was particularly brutal with them.

I think in the end that all Pakis want is little respect and they are in truth ashamed to be Pakis. They first tried to show Indians as cowardly, winning, inept etc... When that didn't work,/.... Bhai bhai nonsense ....

[SSridhar]

The above article is good read posted in page 47 http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... start=1840

The basis for the policy is defensive, not offensive: it is to avoid being encircled by India.

Encirclement. Pincer. Evil India. These are the fears that the PA has successfully sowed in the minds of its own people. These are also the fears that it frequently espouses to its 3½ who then use it for their own strategic objectives. Even Prof. Mead, who wrote an otherwise excellent article and who exhibited a thorough understanding of TSP, talked of 'aggressive' Indian attitude. I dismissed it as a point used to strike a semblance of balance in Pakistani eyes in what appeared to be a thoroughly devastating description otherwise of Pakistan. But, in hindsight, it need not necessarily be so; it could be a devise to use Pakistani paranoia as a leverage with India.

[Lalmohan]

ssridhar, these concepts of aggression and encirclement which seem alien to us, would seem natural to americans and chinese, that is their mindset, and they would expect everyone else to behave the same way. the fact that we like our narrow dark temples might come as a surprise to them. the paquis have learned to milk these characteristics of their sponsors

[Brad Goodman]

I was watching the GEO clip on sialkot lynching. The video was gruesome to say the least. Now I havent been really following this story but looks like these two young men were out on motorcycle and according to their mother to play cricket. Now they were caught by this mob which inital report says because they were suspected to be dacoits and hence lynched. During the initial altercation one of the young men pulled out a revolver and fired which resulted in injuries to 4 people. So who in this world goes out with a revolver to play cricket

This fact that there was a firearm involved and was discharged again proves a point that Shiv was trying to make a few weeks ago about the number of firearms in hands of provate citizens. Licensed or otherwise. With this flood situation I want to keep a tab on how many incidences of gunfights are reported in pakilands.

[Brad Goodman]

Kapil Dev for Pakistan-India fundraiser for flood victims

Why dont pakis hand us Saeed & Masood Azar before the game and we hand them a charity match thats == right?

[SSridhar]

Pakistan yet to finalize how to route Indian aid

The Pakistan government is yet to decide on modalities for India’s offer to provide $5 million to help victims of the country’s worst floods though Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had last week announced the acceptance of the aid.

The Indian government has not yet been formally asked to start supplying the aid and the Foreign Office spokesman said the matter is still being discussed.

“We are working on it and the decision will soon be made public,” spokesman Abdul Basit said.

Mr. Basit indicated that modalities for accepting the aid from India will be finalised after international bodies completed a damage and needs assessment. {How come then that Pakistan is asking all countries to rush help ? What help and on what basis ?}

“We will come to that point after ascertaining what is needed and what the Indians can provide,” he told the Dawn newspaper.

Some media reports have suggested that Pakistan may accept the Indian aid only if it is routed through the United Nations though there was no official word on this issue.

An official of the Indian High Commission said preparations had been made to provide goods for flood-affected people on the basis of requirements posted on the website of Pakistan’s National Disaster Management Authority. {Doesn't that contradict Basit's statement that they are waiting for damage assessment before accepting Indian aid ? Clearly, the Pakistani ploy is to make India withdraw the offer and then paint her as a villain}

It is yet to be decided if the goods will be flown into Pakistan or can be transported by land, the official said.

The goods will be delivered to the Pakistan government directly and not to any other agency. {India must simply stick to this stand.}

[Brad Goodman]

IED mubarak's continue to strike at the same rate as lightnings in paki lands

Girls' School Blown Up In Northern Pakistan

A girls' school has been blown up in Pakistan's northern Khyber tribal district, officials have told RFE/RL's Radio Mashaal.

[Brad Goodman]

Looks like TSPA is testing the waters. First it was Altaf Hussain unleashed to test the domestic opposition and now these articles in international press to test how the west and amirkhan in particular will react to the idea of jernails moving into awam e sadar

Military Coup Imminent in Pakistan?

[Brad Goodman]

Looks like some one at CNN reads users comments.
Why the world must help Pakistan

CNN has had thousands of comments about the aid effort for the flood victims in Pakistan. Many comments express a reluctance to donate for fear that money will not reach the people in need but will instead end up with terrorists or corrupt officials. Here, UNICEF Regional Director for South Asia, Daniel Toole, who has just returned from Pakistan, responds.

There is a profound dignity in the way Pakistanis reach out to each other. This is Ramadan and they do not take even a sip of water from dawn until dusk.

Dont worry too much the article has had very little impact. The comments below are as strong as before

Mr. Toole has lost his brains in the flood water of pakistan. The title of this article should read as "Why the world should not help pakistan'. Helping the victims of the flood, fearing the al qaida, taliban, etc, etc, is not a positive thought. Let these terrorists support those people that believe in their ideology and contribute to their way of life. As for charity, it begins at home and we pay taxes to help our societies. No need to part with that hallowed money to these terrorists. The most important point here is to remember that this terrorism will never end, and the western governments are on the wrong track. Obama is half muslim, which ever way one looks at it. And he feels ashamed of his islamic heritage. So he is trying to cloack it in some thing good. Which will not happen. less

[Lalmohan]

i think the coup has already happened, its just not public

[shiv]

I think in the end that all Pakis want is little respect and they are in truth ashamed to be Pakis. They first tried to show Indians as cowardly, winning, inept etc... When that didn't work,/.... Bhai bhai nonsense ....

I have now begun to realise that this is how they act with everyone - including each other. You need to be aggressive with them and ruthlessly aggressive.

[Suppiah]

Chances of 'official' coup are slim IMHO.

For one, Pakbarians have mastered the art of takiya - keep civilians in nominal control to fool the public and the donors.

Secondly lot of begging has been done but cheques are not cashed yet - stop payments would be issued if there is a coup.

Thirdly TSPA controls what it wants to control - Foreign policy, first claim on budget (after Zardari takes his 10%), security policy and the understanding that ISI should report to army and army should report to Allah. So what remains for civilians to control is the kind of s..t that army does not want to bother with. Like Prakash Karat & Co., during UPA1, army has power without any responsibility. Only Zardari/Sharif is no MMS to throw them out and show them their place.

[shiv]

If the Army does take over - I am sure they will know that military aid to Pakistan will be unpopular among Western nations because of all the recent begging that has been witnessed. That could get worse with a military coup. And this is what makes Zardari strong.

I think the Western press and commentators ars blitheirng nincompoops in the way they describe Pakistan's government as "democratically elected" and zardari as "weak". wtf??? Please excuse me if the following analogy is not good enough but I will try.

If you take a two year old child and make him CEO of a company - his behavior will not change. He will continue to play, puke and crap. But after you make him CEO if you hail him as a great new CEO who has competently worked his way to the top, but later, when the company's fortunes are down blame the two year old for playing and puking - it is you who are the idiot. Not the child.

Zardari was always a showpiece. The Americans wanted Botox bebe. The idiot army did not want her and eliminated her, but got stuck with Zardari instead. Zardari knows his place perfectly well. That is why he appears so callos and nonchalant. For some strange reason I believe Zardari actually desires serious peace with India and knows fully well that PakiKhakis will not allow that. So he thumbs his nose at them in variosu ways knowing that only he stands between PakiKhakis and loss of military aid.

There will be no military coup. IMO. If I am wrong please make me eat this post with my hat.

[Lalmohan]

Shiv i dont think you are wrong, but i think that khakis are running all the areas that matter and unkil is fine with that

[mayo]

Ah - thanks for the background info Johann. I have seen Tariq Ali on Channel 4 for years. Didn't know Ahmed Rashid was from the same stable - or even Najam sethi.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 65,00.html

Sorry if it is a repost

Losing Faith in Pakistan's Future

By Gerhard Spörl in Lahore, Pakistan

Arif Ali / AFP
Long a home to Pakistan's intellectual elite, the tolerant city of Lahore has become a favorite target of the Taliban. The development is causing the country's leading writer, Ahmed Rashid, whose books are required reading in the West's military academies, to lose his optimism that the Islamist militants can be defeated.

[svinayak]

I had a similar experience in a company sponsored training. At first we saw Paki's in their usual show off mode sucking up to other Chinese / Aussie / American / European janta.They would go out with them and of course bad mouth us for being veggie, coward, rice eating lot. For some reason they specially gruesome on southies. We being Indians flew under the radar.

This use of image of Indians as vegetarian people to get close to Americans was used much in the 70s,80s,90s. This was probably trained by them to show how close they are to Americans and they represent the true leaders of the sub continent. This is about creating a racial image of the people and they have tried very hard with their mil image and all such stuff. When the image of Indians was not yet created they could get away with it.
One of the comments in a previous post talks about the observation of an Americans about Indians and pakis. Pakis socialize more and appear to be with Americans.
The Americans who were ignorant in the earlier decades had fallen for them and had used similar things against Indians. More Americans have wised up now.

If you find any Americans using these differences to put down Indians then you know whom he supports against the Indians. Earlier who were opposed to liberals used this against Indians and backed Pakis.

[Mauli]

"For some reason they specially gruesome on southies"

Because they find southies less Dhimmified.Skin color may be another reason.Rapes consider anyone with darker skin less than a human fit for doing menial work. I have a wkk here in Ottawa who organises "Eid millan" specially for Bakis and never forgets to serve beef curry.

[CRamS]

This use of TFTA traits to feel closer and get closer to whites is not limited to TSP alone, other non orieopians with TFTA traits who do the same include Turks, Lebanese, TFTA Egyptians, Iranians etc. In the case Pakijabi TFTA, there is the additional superiority complex of Moghuls having lorded over us SDREs, and hence they are the natural leaders of the sub-continent doing the bidding of whites and keeping SDREs on a tight leash. To a large extent, they have succeeded in their game plan. Notice how People like Zbig, Uneven, Crapons etc talk of how important TSP is.

India's inability to un-box itself out of the India TSP equation are due the following reasons IMO: India's own drawbacks which cannot deny, TFTA camaradarie between whites & Pakijabis, whites own contempt and disdain for Hinduism (although that contempt with the advent of large #s of Hindus, Yoga etc has abated somewhat and what we have now is anything ranging from apathy to a mild form of contempt as long as Hindus don't assert themselves overtly as current UPA govt demonstrates), India's size & potential etc. As I have mentioned many times before, India needs some kind of a game changer, either a miracle, unlikely , or a nationalist leadership, hopefuly more likely as more and more Indians see the light.

[svinayak]

To a large extent, they have succeeded in their game plan. Notice how People like Zbig, Uneven, Crapons etc talk of how important TSP is.

This is the older generation. They were used to colonized Indians who used to show dhimmi attitude.

As I have mentioned many times before, India needs some kind of a game changer, either a miracle, unlikely , or a nationalist leadership, hopefuly more likely as more and more Indians see the light.

New generation Indians who are rooted to India and its real history are the one who will change India.

[Prem]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... at/?page=3
Pakistan denies militant group is global terror threat

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan | The Pakistani-based militant organization Lashkar-e-Taiba is being viewed increasingly by U.S. political and military leaders as a global terrorist threat. But most Pakistanis remain unaware of the group's activities and agenda and continue to give it significant support.According to the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, Lashkar-e-Taiba is a Kashmiri-focused Islamist group with ties to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda. Since 1993, the group has carried out numerous attacks on Indian troops and civilians in the disputed Jammu and Kashmir province, as well as attacks inside India. It is thought to have several thousand members.
"LeT enjoys the backing of a powerful patron, the ISI, while it has adopted the global agenda of al Qaeda, making it a major threat to America and our allies," said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA counterterrorism specialist now with the Brookings Institution. ISI is Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence service.
Their mentor was Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian professor who came to Pakistan during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan from 1979 to 1988 to organize and wage jihad against the Soviet army. Consequently, he persuaded bin Laden to come to Pakistan and join the jihad.Mr. Saeed and bin Laden then developed a close relationship. Both belong to the Wahhabi school of Islamic thought. Only 15 percent of Pakistanis claim adherence to the tenets of the sect.Bin Laden and Mr. Saeed were staunch followers of Azzam and fully endorsed his ideology of pan-Islamism and global jihad. After Azzam was killed in Peshawar in 1989, bin Laden formed al Qaeda in the same northwestern Pakistani city, which is the capital of Khyber-Pakhtoonkhwa province.Azzam was said to be the ideologue for the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

[surinder]

In the case Pakijabi TFTA, there is the additional superiority complex of Moghuls having lorded over us SDREs, and hence they are the natural leaders ...

CRS, how many Mughals were Punjabis? What relations did they have with Punjabis?

Punjabi RoP had no say in Mughal courts, or army. They neve achived anything of any merit in any war or anything. Mughals did not marry Punjabi RoP's. The only connection was that the Mughals needed to step on them on the way to and from Central Asia. That is it.

Pakjabis were ruled by Afghans for a long time, none of the local rulers of Lahore, Multan, etc. were Pakjabis. The first time Pakjabis tasted any real sense of power or accomplishment, ironically, was under Maharaja Ranjit Singh.

[surinder]

Johann, welcome back from the place "where there is no access to internet". How were your trips