Aero India - pics, clips and anecdotes

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 05 Mar 2005 19:36

Today's Update - Kh series of tactical missiles

Photo #1

Photo #2

Photo #3

Photo #4

Photo #5

Manne · Post by **Manne** » 07 Mar 2005 17:25

Doc,

Thanx for bringing out AI2K5 VCD.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Mar 2005 18:31

Manne wrote:Doc,

Thanx for bringing out AI2K5 VCD.

The pleasure is mine manne.

I actually have a LOT of footage other than Aero India as well. I would really love to bring out a DVD with a focus on Indian def related companies - video clips and then hi-res still photos with either a voice over or a subtitled description of things.

For example the CD has a scene showing night vision devices. Many people have posted some great pics of stuff that is on the CD and I really think it would be nice to have a detailed descriptive DVD as a work of love made over several months.

I also have a lot of other footage that I would like ot compile. Inshallah i will be able to get some more stuff out in due course.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 07 Mar 2005 18:34

Shiv & Jagan: Pls check your email for 2 emails; the first 2 installment of my photos. Pls ack by email.
-Arun S

Manne · Post by **Manne** » 07 Mar 2005 19:20

shiv wrote:Inshallah i will be able to get some more stuff out in due course.

*slurp*

Harry · Post by **Harry** » 08 Mar 2005 00:35

Today's Update - Kh series of tactical missiles

Did you get the brochures for these?

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 08 Mar 2005 14:32

None were available when I checked out the stall.

JCage · Post by **JCage** » 08 Mar 2005 21:36

shiv wrote:
Manne wrote:Doc,

Thanx for bringing out AI2K5 VCD.
The pleasure is mine manne.

I actually have a LOT of footage other than Aero India as well. I would really love to bring out a DVD with a focus on Indian def related companies - video clips and then hi-res still photos with either a voice over or a subtitled description of things.

For example the CD has a scene showing night vision devices. Many people have posted some great pics of stuff that is on the CD and I really think it would be nice to have a detailed descriptive DVD as a work of love made over several months.

I also have a lot of other footage that I would like ot compile. Inshallah i will be able to get some more stuff out in due course.

*slurp*, *slurp*, *slurp*....

afadia · Post by **afadia** » 09 Mar 2005 18:50

Can someone write a review of the CD? Is a DVD version expected? Isn't that a better thing to buy than the CD? If yes, when is it expected to be released?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Mar 2005 19:00

afadia wrote:Can someone write a review of the CD? Is a DVD version expected? Isn't that a better thing to buy than the CD? If yes, when is it expected to be released?

A DVD version of this VCD will not be made Do not expect ANY DVD anytime in the near future. There may be no DVD at all depending on various things.

If I spend any more time on video-making I will get kicked out of my house.

Harry · Post by **Harry** » 09 Mar 2005 19:37

Why not include Kapil's Vayu Shakti vids (or .asf clips of them) as a bonus?

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 09 Mar 2005 20:29

shiv wrote:If I spend any more time on video-making I will get kicked out of my house.

You too?

I am in the same boat as well...

George J · Post by **George J** » 09 Mar 2005 23:38

shiv wrote: A DVD version of this VCD will not be made ............

Wait till i get my hands on it.....VCD is so passe'....so old school.....

If the BR oligarchs want I can try cranking out some Region 1 DVD for the amrki infidels (with mandatory BR jingo tax off course)....but you will have to wait a few months...

Manne · Post by **Manne** » 10 Mar 2005 01:04

Jagan wrote:
shiv wrote:If I spend any more time on video-making I will get kicked out of my house.
You too? I am in the same boat as well...

But that's impossible. After all, BR *is* your home.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 10 Mar 2005 01:11

Manne wrote:
Jagan wrote: You too? I am in the same boat as well...
But that's impossible. After all, BR *is* your home.

Oh great, Just what is needed is for people in my home to know that I got a 'second' home

. Getting Kicked out is a certainity.

GJMan

I think making a DVD out of a VCD is a lost cause. I think you will have to make a DVD directly out of the DV (AVI format) for better quality visuals.

George J · Post by **George J** » 10 Mar 2005 05:13

Jagan wrote:
GJMan

I think making a DVD out of a VCD is a lost cause. I think you will have to make a DVD directly out of the DV (AVI format) for better quality visuals.

Isnt the file in the AVSEQ directory a AVI file? If Doc or anyone can provide me with the master file (final cut) I can try authoring a DVD version.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2005 05:55

George J wrote:
Isnt the file in the AVSEQ directory a AVI file? If Doc or anyone can provide me with the master file (final cut) I can try authoring a DVD version.

GJman - we could fill a separate thread discussing these issues here.

The avseq file is an Mpeg 1 file. DVDs are mpeg 2. The conversion will increase file size but not improve quality.

I have an analog camocorder (for legacy reasons) and I grabbed the whole video in mpeg2 format, but discovered that some fast action scenes (of flying) were much better in the mpeg 1 format because antialiasing lines were appearing on the DVD (mpeg 2) format. However the slow moving scenes of halls etc were better in the mpag 2 (DVD) format. So I grabbed the entire video in both mpeg 1 and mpeg 2 format and for the vcd I converted mpeg 2 to mpeg 1.

I have archived the original videos in mpeg 2 and mpeg 1 formats - but I must admit that my personal ability to work with DVD quality mpeg 2 has come up only in the last 6 months or so. In fact the original videograbs in almost uncompressed mpeg 2 quality amount to about 6 gigabytes and I needed 2 single layered DVDs to archive them. Even DVDs lose quality from that level from compression Many of my earlier videos are mpeg 1 VCD quality grabs - often taken from videotapes - which were no always of the best quality.

In fact I had the "Akash Yodha" video recorded on video CD from a tape long before it was released commercially as Akash Yodha - and even today the mpeg of a sabre being shot down on the BR page is from that tape and not from the Akash Yodha CD

JCage · Post by **JCage** » 10 Mar 2005 06:42

Anyone catch the LCRA research a/c by NAL at AI? I believe its one cool looking small plane and was apparently displayed at AI-05. The LCRA= Light Canard Research aircraft..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2005 07:55

JCage wrote:Anyone catch the LCRA research a/c by NAL at AI? I believe its one cool looking small plane and was apparently displayed at AI-05. The LCRA= Light Canard Research aircraft..

I got a picture if a plane that looked like a small Rutan Varieze - which is on the VCD. I later saw the thing fly - but that was after the show - I saw it take off as I was leaving with expended film and batteries.

I wonder if that is the one you are takling about -let me tray and do a videograb from the VCD.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 10 Mar 2005 12:07

Yes, its the Rutan Vari Ez or the Long Ez that was built by NAL from a kit and named the LCRA.

JCage · Post by **JCage** » 10 Mar 2005 13:06

NAL mentions that the kit a/c was made using foam, resin and FG...another dood says it was a pretty small bird...seemed intriguing...

Thanks Shivji!

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 10 Mar 2005 18:13

Kopyo-M

MMR Pic-1

MMR Pic-2

MMR Pic-3

MMR Pic-4

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2005 20:47

JCage wrote:Anyone catch the LCRA research a/c by NAL at AI? I believe its one cool looking small plane and was apparently displayed at AI-05. The LCRA= Light Canard Research aircraft..

From Vishak's pics

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/uplo ... anard1.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/uplo ... anard2.jpg

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 10 Mar 2005 22:01

shiv wrote:
JCage wrote:Anyone catch the LCRA research a/c by NAL at AI? I believe its one cool looking small plane and was apparently displayed at AI-05. The LCRA= Light Canard Research aircraft..
From Vishak's pics

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/uplo ... anard1.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/uplo ... anard2.jpg

incidentally i just came back from dinner after meeting a friend who knows quite a bit about the civil aviation sector. He confirmed that this is not NAL's Longez, but a ..hold your breath.. a privately owned LongEz ...a gent from Tamil Nadu built it. It carries a US Registration because the owner does not want the jhanjat of certifying it from DGCA. so every three months he flies to Colombo and back so that he can keep the foreign registration live...

afadia · Post by **afadia** » 10 Mar 2005 22:33

Jagan wrote:Yes, its the Rutan Vari Ez or the Long Ez that was built by NAL from a kit and named the LCRA.

I dont think NAL built it from a Kit. but it appears they built it from Rutans plans.
http://www.cmmacs.ernet.in/nal/pages/damania.htm

My second phase of close collaboration with RBD was ten years later, in the mid-80's, when he started building the Rutan Long-Ez ("LCRA") aircraft at NAL. Being the only aeronautical engineer in the Systems Division Division, I was put under him for this programme as soon as I returned from Germany. It was an intense period of learning and doing. Mr D V Bakshi and his team joined us and ably fabricated the LCRA.

I still remember those LCRA fabrication days vividly. Damania's untiring spirit and zeal to build a flying machine was unmatched. Such was his passion that he would not think twice about shuttling from NAL to HAL to Jakkur to City Market all in one day on his reliable motorbike. Especially memorable were those drives across the runway to HAL whenever we needed something from HAL. Most normal beings went to HAL by public roads, but Rustom was different! He was always in a hurry.

The LCRA was built, flown and went on to become the bedrock for small aircraft development at NAL. Damania had a grand plan for flight research activity at NAL and even thought of using the LCRA for aerial photography and remote sensing. Damania loved Rutan's design from the beginning and this love endured till his last days, when he was involved in some special studies on LCRA's flying performance. Even earlier, Damania had offered to use Rutan's approach to build and test fly an 80% LCA derivative to generate flight data.

Harry · Post by **Harry** » 10 Mar 2005 23:03

He confirmed that this is not NAL's Longez, but a ..hold your breath.. a privately owned LongEz ...a gent from Tamil Nadu built it. It carries a US Registration because the owner does not want the jhanjat of certifying it from DGCA. so every three months he flies to Colombo and back so that he can keep the foreign registration live...

Who? Pawan Kaula?

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 10 Mar 2005 23:59

Jagan/Shiv: My airshow photos online pls.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 11 Mar 2005 02:55

Arun_S wrote:Jagan/Shiv: My airshow photos online pls.

Working on em now..should be up in a few hours.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Mar 2005 07:25

Arun - Jagan is ahead of me - I am still downloading your images. Will complete the download today and see if I can help Jagman - depending on what he shortlists.

Only now am I getting time to see the images that various people have put up or sent me in detail..

One pic that Vishak has given me is a description of and a photo of "Invar"

I recall seeing a discussion of Invar on this thread a coupel of weeks ago. What the hell is it? Does anyone want me to upload the pictures and info board image?

There seems to be a plethotra of night vision and low light vision devices now. I have pictures - but does anyone know what they do and what the different thingies are???

Raj Malhotra · Post by **Raj Malhotra** » 11 Mar 2005 08:24

shiv wrote:
One pic that Vishak has given me is a description of and a photo of "Invar"

Invar IIRC is T-90 launched laser beam riding ATGM

George J · Post by **George J** » 11 Mar 2005 09:13

Raj Malhotra wrote:Invar IIRC is T-90 launched laser beam riding ATGM

.....witha range of 500 m.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 11 Mar 2005 16:11

Some of Aruns Pictures

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/ArunS/index.htm

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 12 Mar 2005 02:50

Jagan: Thanks for uploading the 62 photos. Keep it coming.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 13 Mar 2005 20:42

Jagan wrote:Some of Aruns Pictures
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/ArunS/index.htm

Stunning!
The LCA pics are the best Ive seen so far.

Question: Have the full-size pics been edited for size?

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 15 Mar 2005 00:59

Neela wrote:
Jagan wrote:Some of Aruns Pictures
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/ArunS/index.htm
Stunning!
The LCA pics are the best Ive seen so far.

Question: Have the full-size pics been edited for size?

Thanks.
Yes, the photos was taken on Olympus C750 (4 megapixle with 10x optical zoom); the pictures were later edited to frame the aircraft in the center.

Harry · Post by **Harry** » 15 Mar 2005 02:21

Yes, the photos was taken on Olympus C750 (4 megapixle with 10x optical zoom); the pictures were later edited to frame the aircraft in the center

What about the previous set that was first uploaded to BR's AI gallery? Surely, they must have been SLR!

Also, I remember you once telling Rakesh, 5 MP!

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 15 Mar 2005 05:37

I carried 2 digital camaras for Aero-India so that I do not run out of memory or battery. For most I used the new Olympus C750 (4Mpix & 10x Optical zoom), and man 10x is good but it requires very steady hand to uniformly pan the montion to get good photo of aircraft zooming past. And then I had my trusted Pentex Optio550 that is 5 MPix but only 5x optical zoom). I shot 20% photos on Pentex Optio and the balance 80% on Olympus.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 15 Mar 2005 20:44

Shyam's Photos

Bejoy Sathyaraj's Gallery

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 16 Mar 2005 00:12

Jagan wrote:Some of Aruns Pictures

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/Temp/ArunS/index.htm

Arun

Try neatimage to clean up noise from your digital images.

a demo version for non-commercial use is available at

http://www.neatimage.com/

To see what i mean I used P1010065.jpg images from above link - (didn't ask your permission - but this is for a good cause)

original image in BR

and

http://uploadforbr.netfirms.com/images/ ... ltered.jpg - cleaned up image

Copy and paste the above to your address bar to see the image.

A lot more cleaning than this can be done. This was done in default mode. You can choose the amount of filtering and sharpening from within the program and based on your exif info shutter / iso / aperture you can save these settings for future use. There is also a batch processing option IIRC.

Noise proifle for your Olympus camera is also available from the same site.

George J · Post by **George J** » 16 Mar 2005 00:30

Shalav:

Your s/w used madrass mathematics to smoothen out the background

...its not done much for the image quality itself.....the edges around the image are more pronounced around the endge of the subject.

I am not impressed.....There is no substitution for original image quality. There is not much you can do with an ordinary digicam.