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Johann, do you see a possibility of a social "revolution", in the sense that people's anger is high that they topple the government or its symbols?

Despite the anger, I somehow don't see that as a possibility. Your comments?
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Too much GUBO is not good for Latin phrases.
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A guilty witness to the flood exodus

By Nasim Zehra

It was around sunset and I was watching the floodwater spread to Tando Hafiz Shah. The small town in southern Sindh with an estimated population of 50,000 was almost completely deserted by the time the flood wave arrived.

With shops and bazaars completely shut down, a few donkeys roamed the streets and nearby fields with standing crops were soon submerged in water. It looked like a ghost town. I could see the water moving with great speed and slowly destroying the roads and drowning all that stood in its path.

Only a few months ago, the locals had laboured under scorching summer heat to plant cotton and sugarcane on their land, but now the flood had destroyed it all. There will be no harvest this year.

The Indus River, called Sindho here, has devoured everything. This villager told me that they had never seen so much water before in their lifetime.

Sensing the unprecedented danger, the locals had tried to fortify the river embankment and raise it to eight feet earlier in the week. However, last night the Indus with one blow knocked out their defences.

Floodwaters carved out huge channels through the embankment and triggered a wave of water that kept on rolling at an incredible speed.

The water wave has completely destroyed the lives of the Tando Hafiz Shah’s inhabitants – their crops, their homes and their belongings. Using tractors, residents tried to save anything they could. In some cases, people had to walk for enormous distances to reach safer areas.

When they were leaving, many of them did not know where they were going or when they would be able to return.

This story of Tando Hafiz Shah is not unique. It is being repeated in endless cycles all over the country, whether it is the mountains of Swat and Gilgit-Baltistan, or the floodplains of Sindh.

The same tragic story was visible everywhere as we moved from province to province and village to village.

When the waters of the mighty Indus threatened Jacobabad, our media team arrived just in time to witness the desperate departure of thousands. Packed together like sardines, hundreds waited for the trains to depart for Karachi and Quetta. Many fleeing in fear had no one waiting for them at the other end. Heat, thirst and hunger were harassing them all. Crying babies, wailing women and desperate men all huddled together at the railway platform waiting for deliverance. However, the ‘saviour’ trains were few and overcrowded. They were all asking for food and water.

Not far from the station began the Shikarpur Road leading to Sukkur. It was flooded with families departing with their animals, cooking pans and other household items. The relatively well off were on trucks, tractors and pickups. Others were walking behind them. Thousands of them, clinging to their valuables, were headed to some unknown direction. The mighty nature had uprooted these ‘children of a lesser god’.

Spotting a massive crowd of people from far off, we headed towards a petrol station. In the scorching heat, hundreds of women and children and a few men were awaiting relief. They wanted water and food. Dazed with heat and hunger, they complained feebly about their plight, while cries drew out attention towards two little hungry infants who were sucking at pieces of totally dry roti.

Not too far from there, a man near a railway track in Shikarpur was the lone occupant of a deserted village. He couldn’t afford to hire a vehicle to take his old mother and family to safety. He looked up at the cloudy skies and said, “Allah and the Quran will save us.”

This march of hundreds of thousands, if on the one hand is a testimony of human surrender to nature’s fury, it also speaks volumes about the ‘economic apartheid’ that prevails in our society.

Wading through muddy waters and dusty paths, in scorching heat and in the dark night, hungry parents and crying children, represented the deadly combination of poverty and damage done by a natural calamity. This mega disaster that started almost four weeks ago has magnified economic disparities existing in our society.

This epic disaster, the likes of which the world has not seen in perhaps a century, has caused huge damage.

When we look for answers beyond nature’s fury, it is clear that the mega disaster is the result of mega blunders by successive governments.

Nevertheless, the challenge that the Pakistani state now faces is unmatched in modern times.

In the years to come, the tales about this flood will enter the Pakistani folklore and its documented history.

Some will say, as they do now, that this is nature’s retribution against the country’s elite for its relentless exploitation of the poor.

But as my young anguished Mustapha pointed out, “Why have the floods only devastated the poor? God could have moved His little finger to take the floods away from these already suffering masses.” Mustapha’s question about nature’s ‘egalitarian spirit’ will torment the compassionate for eternity. Meanwhile, the privileged can at least play an active role in the relief and rehabilitation process. Beyond this, the problem of economic apartheid requires a serious and long-term response. As Pakistan undertakes this colossal reconstruction task, can we lay down the structures and mechanisms, and initiate the processes that will create a context in which economic injustice can be reduced?

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2010_pg1_8
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Flood survivors loot relief goods from a truck on Friday
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Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan blacks out Indian channels
Pakistanis have been left without their daily fix of Indian soap operas and Bollywood movies after cable operators across the country stopped beaming Indian entertainment channels on the orders of a media regulatory body.
Muneeza Begum, a domestic help who likes to unwind after a long day by watching Indian entertainment channels, said, "My children have been complaining for the past three days as they cannot watch their favourite dramas."
Pakistan Cable Operators Association official Muhammad Sadiq said cable networks were receiving numerous calls from subscribers about the removal of popular channels from their networks.

"Many of the callers are furious and are not ready to listen to our explanation," he said.
Hidden in this little news item is, I believe, the plank that India must ultimately leverage in Pakistan to achieve true transformation in relations with that international migraine -- i.e., the women of Pakistan, who are less likely to be caught up in the H&D nonsense of their mards, and in fact are too often the victims of the same misplaced sense of H&D.

If only (a very big IF, I know) women in Pakistan could be empowered socially and especially politically, I think we would see big changes. It seems clear to me that Pakistani women, who have to actually deal with the consequences of Pakistan's mismanagement -- of bringing up all those nanha mujahids, buying increasingly expensive meat and veggies in the market, suffering acid attacks and honor killings, having their girl's schools blown up, etc. etc. -- are for these reasons much more able to see the pointlessness of eternal hostility with India. If they had a real say in the political decisions taken in the country, I'd venture to say that Pakistan as a whole would be a more sane entity and far more likely to desire peace with India.

Of course, the more pious Pacquistan gets, the more the women will be oppressed, so inherent in this solution is the problem of Baki piousness itself... still, it is something to consider, because I doubt that anything short of a nuclear jhappad a la Hiroshima and Nagasaki will wake up the TFTA mards of Pakjab... but if their equally TFTA women were giving them the jhappad domestically, and had the socio-political will to stand up to the momins without fear of acid attacks, honor killings and other pious means of keeping women in their place... well, it saves India a couple of nukes and the fallout of war. Plus, empowering wimmenz always feels very dharmic :D
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China flood aid may help test China-Pak border roads, fight ultras
An interesting aspect of relief operations is the use of land route to the Sust dry port near the Pakistan-China border for supplies from Kashgar in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region
China is keen to enhance its influence in the border areas of Pakistan to protect its investments and also to ensure that Islamic fundamentalism do not spill over to its territory.
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Pakistani Christians face aid discrimination: Vatican

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ican-rs-04
The Fides news agency, a branch of the Vatican's Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, said aid was handled either by Muslim relief organisations or by government officials close to fundamentalists.

Both discriminated against Christians and other minorities in distributing aid essential to survival, it said.

About 200,000 Christian refugees in the Punjab province and about 600,000 Christians and Hindus in the Sindh province are affected by the phenomenon, Fides said, citing NGO sources on the ground.
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Hi Surinder,

No I don't expect a 'toppling' of the government - but I do think what we are seeing is the accelerated crumbling of the state's legitimacy, and that leaves a vacuum for actors like the Punjabi Taliban. Southern Punjab is going to start looking like Khyber-Pakhtunwa.

What is now known as the Punjabi Taliban got its start in the 1980s as ASS (yes that's right!), aka the SSP and its offshoot the LeJ. These are Deobandi organisations whose core supporters are Sunni lower middle class shop owners small businessmen in the towns and cities of Pakjab, and later Karachi, and their targets were the wealthy Shia land-owners and upper middle class professionals.

As I wrote in the summary pasted in the Af-Pak thread, when the Pakjabi elite, especially the Sharif brothers moved against them in the 1990s they turned anti-state. They have been amongst the most enthusiastic elements of the Deobandi movement to abandon Islamic Nationalism (i.e. loyalty to Pakistan and the PA) and join the Global Jihad - they were quite involved in the attempts on Musharraf, and suicide bombing campaigns in Pakjab and the capital region.

The Punjabi Taliban can capitalise on class warfare elements, but not if it continues its growing habit of attacking Barelvis - this is the majority community, and whenever Salafi jihadis go Takfiri and attack the Sunni majority for their beliefs and practices, they will lose. The community rallies around the state and the army, however unloved they might have been, and the rest is just details. The Afghan Taliban has in the last couple of years become quite careful about this sort of thing, and its paid them big dividends.
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Bet Shah forgot that he was a kaffir in Islamic land where peace reign per religion and his safety depend on his wit and luck.
http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_d ... p?id=17655
WASHINGTON, Aug 27: The US aid chief said Friday he faced a threat when visiting a relief camp in flood-hit Pakistan but pledged that extremists would not deter assistance. Rajiv Shah, administrator of the US Agency for International Development, said he quickly exited the camp he was touring the southern city of Sukkur on Wednesday at the urging of his security guards. “Within a few minutes of being there, our Diplomatic Security detail informed me that there were some suspicious individuals in the area and we needed to leave. So we tried to make as graceful and appropriate an exit as possible,” Shah told reporters after returning to Washington. Shah said he had been speaking to women made homeless by the floods, who told him they had lost all their belongings, including even shoes, and that their children were “malnourished and ill.”
”I really did want to listen to the people standing in line and learn about how we, together with our partners, can mount the most effective response on their behalf,” Shah said. Shah, who believed the militants went to the camp because he was there, said it was “deeply saddening that others would choose to use these environments to propagate themselves.” But he insisted the United States was committed to a “strong and effective response in cooperation with the people of Pakistan,” including helping with reconstruction once the floodwaters recede. Shortly after Shah's visit, a group linked to the extremist movement Lashkar-e-Taiba said in a statement reported by the Dawn newspaper that it was in charge of the camp and hence Shah was endorsing its activities. Shah denied the camp was linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group best known for the grisly 2008 assault on Mumbai, and said it was run by the United Nations World Food Program
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Any turuth to the rumor that crown jew-el estoraje facilitiej have received mistreatment at the handj of the sailab and are unusable?
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Indian opportunism
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... portunism/
FOR anyone still believing in Indian altruism towards Pakistan in it hour of suffering and need, a brief look at Indian actions recently will put an end to any such thoughts. Of course if India really wanted to offer aid to Pakistan without seeking political capital from it, it would have given it through the United Nations fund. But that was never the Indian intent. After all, India has continued to release water into Pakistan’s overflowing rivers deliberately to aggravate the flood situation. This is why India has refused to put in place a telemetry system as part of the Indus Waters Treaty infrastructure. Nor is this all. Indian opportunism knows no bounds and they are already exploiting Pakistan’s misfortunes as a result of the flood devastation - especially in the agricultural sector. Already the markets in the cities are filled with Indian vegetables and one needs to ask how these are coming in? Have we removed all restrictions on Indian trade through Wagah?
But it is not just the vegetable market India is eyeing. The Indian government has already moved to take advantage of the destruction of the bulk of Pakistan’s cotton crop as a result of the floods. Knowing that the textile industry would suffer a shortfall of local cotton, the Indian government has lifted an earlier ban on cotton export to enable India to meet the Pakistani textile industry’s anticipated demand. The ban had been in place to keep domestic prices down. Now, with a bumper cotton harvest and ample rain, Indian producers are all ready to export cotton to Pakistan in October. Apparently Pakistan has been importing cotton from India earlier also. However, the dynamics are different now with India’s suspect role of releasing water into our overflowing rivers. There is also the present Indian hostile posturing towards Pakistan and its refusal to renew the composite dialogue. Finally, there is the renewed killing of Kashmiris by Indian forces in Occupied Kashmir. As it is, our government has maintained a shameful silence on this issue and no official voice has been raised in support of the new Kashmiri intifada.
To allow Indian cotton producers to benefit from our flood disaster would be immoral and politically ridiculous since it would effectively reflect a tacit condoning of India’s hostile posture. Not only should Pakistan’s textile industry look to other cotton producers like China, the Pakistan government should make its India policy, especially in terms of trade, transparent. What exactly have we given to India in terms of trade access? At a time when India is actively seeking to undermine Pakistan on all fronts including abetting militancy within the country, especially in Balochistan, Pakistan’s government needs to stand firm against any Indian intrusion into our economic sphere - especially at the cost of the people of Pakistan’s interests ( But Poak interestas dont go beyond the BC giri at home)
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MMS accuses Pak of Kabul embassy attacks
Pakistan has tried to block us in Afghanistan and elements in Pakistani establishment underwrote attacks on Indians in Afghanistan including the Kabul Embassy bombing. Despite all problems dialogue must continue," Singh was quoted as saying by a news agency.
Indian officials must reach out to Pakistani institutions, intelligentsia, non-elite classes as sooner or later Pakistan would realise that good relations with India were in its best interests," he added.
will bakis change their true nature
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milindj wrote:

Look at Altaf Bhai, asking for patriotic generals to impose martial la. Is that any talk? Four times in 63 year history of Pakistan we have tasted martial la. Faujis have ruled us openly for 32 years and from the behind for 26 years, accept for 5 years Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto interrectum.
Whats interrectum? Its not a dictionary word for sure... unless its inter-rectum and a Paki way of doing things best left unmentioned :twisted: ?
It's meant to be funny and that is a deliberate typo for interregnum . I liked that "Is that any talk" - which is English for "Yeh kya baat hai"
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Shreeman wrote:Any turuth to the rumor that crown jew-el estoraje facilitiej have received mistreatment at the handj of the sailab and are unusable?
Are you starting the rumor now?
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As I hastened through Covent Garden, Blackfriars and Billingsgate, more and more people joined the painful exodus. Sad, weary woman, their children stumbling and streaked with tears, their men bitter and angry, the rich rubbing shoulder with beggars and outcasts. Dogs snarled and whined, the horses bits were covered with foam…. And here and there were wounded soldiers, as helpless as the rest......


Life imitates art. Wells of course.
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FDI plunges
Foreign direct investment has plunged even further by over 40 per cent in 2009-10. Last year Pakistan received $2.2 billion in FDI compared to the peak of $5.4 billion in 2007-08. Privatisation flows have ceased completely. Investment flows from the Middle East and the US have fallen the most in the aftermath of the global financial crisis.

FDI will, of course, only return when Pakistan ceases to be generally perceived as a high risk and a high cost location. Meanwhile, we will have to focus on the revival of domestic private investment.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 449303.cms

National bird in news again
PESHAWAR: A US drone strike Saturday killed four militants in Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt near the Afghan border, security officials said.

The strike hit Shahidano village in Kurram tribal district, 100 kilometres (62 miles) southwest of Peshawar.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 449827.cms
WASHINGTON: Indian-American US aid chief Rajiv Shah has said that he had to leave a relief camp in flood-hit Pakistan in a hurry, after being threatened by extremist elements present there.

Shah was the topmost US official to visit Pakistan this week in the aftermath of the devastating flood that has engulfed more than one-fifth of the country affecting over 20 million people.
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Evacuations Continue in Southern Pakistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/world ... pstan.html
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shiv wrote:
Shreeman wrote:Any turuth to the rumor that crown jew-el estoraje facilitiej have received mistreatment at the handj of the sailab and are unusable?
Are you starting the rumor now?
Of course, ahead of the "curb" and everything.
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krisna wrote:violence in gilgit baltistan areas for the last couple of days. Gilgit city area is 10 sq kms and frequent sectarian clashes are normal here.

CM warns of clamping curfew in Gilgit ............
For a country self claimed to have been created to provide a refuge for the Muslims of the Indian Sub Continent, Muslim on Muslim violence sparked off by differences in practice of Islam, that too during the month of Ramzan / Ramadan which Muslims consider holy, is pretty common place. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is certainly an odd place!

Meanwhile another article on the Muslim sect on Muslim sect violence in Gilgit in Pakistan occupied Kashmir:

Tension in Gilgit after sectarian violence
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Look at Altaf Bhai, asking for patriotic generals to impose martial la. Is that any talk? Four times in 63 year history of Pakistan we have tasted martial la. Faujis have ruled us openly for 32 years and from the behind for 26 years, accept for 5 years Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto interrectum.
You boys missed the most 'revealing' part of the statement - faujis have been ruling pakis from the behind for 26 years. :mrgreen:
Only ZAB was lucky enough to get a shot (get his shots off) for 5 years. :rotfl:

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Interrectum, from the behind - man, these pakis are feeling Freudian these days.
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Shridhar:

I know this is OT, but you sure noticed another letter from

DASHQIN SHKAROV
Charge d’affaires of the Embassy of the
Republic of Azerbaijan
Islamabad

But I dont understand his bringing J&K issue as 95% of Nogorno-Karabach are armenian .
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Tepid Response From US Public to Pakistan Floods
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/08 ... .html?_r=1
''Most of their concerns are that the money doesn't fall into hands of the Pakistan government,'' said spokeswoman Rabiah Ahmed. ''We assure them it goes directly from donor to beneficiary.''
Zeeshan Suhail, a Pakistani-American who serves on the board of New York City's Muslim Consultative Network, is convinced that donations from non-Muslims are lagging because many Americans view Pakistan as a haven for terrorists. The controversy over a proposed Islamic center near the World Trade Center site has worsened matters, he suggested.
''The culture of hate and bigotry has robbed the Pakistanis of some much needed aid,'' Suhail said.
Yet many non-Muslims are eager to give -- an example is St. Joseph Roman Catholic Church in Seattle, where the parish has decided to take a special collection Sunday exclusively for Catholic Relief Service's flood-related work in Pakistan. Rev. John Whitney, the pastor, says he expects parishioners to exceed the $26,000 that they donated to a comparable collection for Haiti earthquake relief. ''I don't think anybody has illusions that this is suddenly going to turn the tide and everybody in Pakistan is going to love us,'' Whitney said. ''You don't do it because of the response you're going to get -- you do it because people are dying
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Dadu: Lawmaker tried to breach dike attacked

DADU: A group of villagers attacked member of Sindh Provincial Assembly Najamuddin Abro when he tried to breach a dike on Friday.

The move annoyed the villagers, who then attacked Abro with slaps. They complained that Abro wanted to see them dead by floods.
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We don't look at reciprocity from neighbours: Manmohan

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/28/stories ... 850100.htm
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‘Airblue cockpit had a third person’

“The investigators have reportedly heard the voice of a third person in the cockpit of the Airblue jetliner,” a source close to the investigation told Dawn on condition of anonymity.

...

The cockpit voice recording readouts have also revealed that the pilots belatedly realised that they were flying into terrain. The first officer of the flight was heard screaming “Sir, pull up, pull up” moments before the crash.
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saip wrote:But I dont understand his bringing J&K issue as 95% of Nogorno-Karabach are armenian .
Yes, I saw it too. I hope the Indian High Commission in Islamabad has noted the contents and advises the MEA accordingly.
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abhischekcc wrote:Interrectum, from the behind - man, these pakis are feeling Freudian these days.
I do get a feeling sometimes that more Pakistanis who contribute to the English media visit BRf. They use words and concepts developed here.
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Firing reported near U.S. consulate in Peshawar of Pakistan
PESHAWAR: Terrorists have entered a key government building located in Cantonment area of Peshawar, SAMAA reported on Saturday.

According to reports reaching here, security forces have surrounded the building taken over by suspected terrorists early Saturday morning.

Elite Force jawans reached the Cantonment area and took charge of the situation. Aerial monitory is being done through helicopter.

A group of terrorists launched an attack on security forces at 6am today. There is no immediate report of any causality in the attack.

Sources close to security forces told SAMAA that terrorists tried to target the office of intelligence agencies.
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Some replies to Prof Meads article , Sinking Pakistan!

1.Your mind-boggling argument for propping up Pakistan is as below.
“Pakistan may not have a lot of ability to make our world a better place, but it has a significant party pooping power that we need to respect. Nuclear program, terror links, geopolitically sensitive location: it’s a bad mix, but it’s real.”
If a gun carrying hoodlum in your town desires your lovely wife or daughter and threatens you with violence, I assume, you would allow him to have his way?
2. -In foreign policy, Pakistan has always been like a savvy belly dancer – each time you shove another billion in her bra a little more is revealed – and like in most rowdy strip joints, there will be mayhem and roiting and power failure before the audience get to see “everything”….next night the dancing starts all over again… :lol:
3.Just as with the financial firms in Wall Street, Prof. Mead’s prescription leads to the “too big to fail” syndrome and the consequent irresponsible behavior by Pakistan’s elite, secure in the knowledge that between them, the US, the European Union, China and Saudi Arabia will always bail them out.

Only when it is apparent that the US is both willing and able to walk away from Pakistan, and likewise with the other “friends” will there be an external incentive for the Pakistani elite to change.

Since internal incentives to change – such as popular unrest, popular movements – will always be interpreted as “destabilizing” by Pakistan’s friends, these will always be suppressed by the Pakistani elite with the tacit approval of Pakistan’s friends.

Therefore, I see Prof. Mead’s prescription as a recipe for chronic crisis for Pakistan.
4.If professor feels that educating pakistan military will turn the tide in rescuing pakistan from its mess then I am sorry professor I have to be break this bad news. They are not listening. The reason I say military as opposted to politcians or civil administration is because these two along with judiciary hardly matter in pakistan where all major decisions are taken in GHQ Rawalpindi and not in Islamabad. Pakistan military is still obsessed with its dreams of waging war on India and then on Israel and raise the islamic flag. Sadly we are slow to regognize that pakistan army has slowly but surely been islamasized and they can as bhutto propehtically stated in 1978 that “Eat Grass but develop Nuclear Power”. So pakistan today is deluged under the indus water but is still dreaming of strategic depth for its war against India. Look at how rainbow of jihadi organizations are openly distributing aid in pakistan and that shows you the hollowness of the claims that army has turned the corner
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Re: interrectum, I hope you realize that the writer chose the spelling deliberately. Itefaq Nama column is about putting funny words, phrases, and country style racism into Nawaz Sharif's mouth.
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iam reading Selig Harrison reports on tunnels made across the region in Gigit. Can any body help me with pictures on the net?
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national bird kills 4 in kurram agency.
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PESHAWAR: Suspected militants attacked army buildings near the US consulate in Pakistan's northwestern capital Peshawar on Saturday, police said.

Police said a number of armed fighters tried to get into a secure area close to the consulate and army buildings early in the morning and that exchanges of fire between the attackers and security forces were continuing.

“There target is not clear but they were trying to reach a very sensitive area. There is the US consulate and army offices and buildings in that area,” Karim Khan, a senior police official in Peshawar, told AFP.

“The US consulate is completely safe,” he added.

Richard Snelsire, a spokesman for the US Embassy in Islamabad, told AFP he had “no information right now” on whether the consulate was the intended target.

Police said the army had sealed off the site of the attack, preventing anyone from entering, while intermittent gunfire continued.

An AFP reporter at the scene said army and police had blocked all the roads into the area while helicopters patrolled the skies.

Bashir Bilour, a provincial cabinet minister whose home is in front of the consulate, said: “The first round of firing continued for 30 minutes. I don't know what's going on but the army has sealed off the whole area and firing is still continuing.” “Soldiers have also entered my Hujra (Visitors compound). I cannot go outside,” he added. – AFP
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Are the pure operating by US clock? Friday is already gone...why this delay?
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^^^Bhai shaeb, eben the bure need R & R, this i bhas told bhai lerned Bullahs of the Baki thread. Bhen Dhis mujhajid raised similar die appointment.

:(( No centurries have been scored.
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