People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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India warns China about J&K posture

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-war ... 95796.aspx
Former Foreign Secretary Kanwal Sibal said "it makes no sense" for China to question Jaiswal jurisdiction over Kashmir and also say it wants to talk with India about a border dispute which includes Kashmir. "China is hinting we are not a legitimate interlocutor, that there cannot be a border settlement until Kashmir is solved first."

"By entrenching themselves in PoK and the Northern Areas, the Chinese become an unavoidable factor in this area," he warned. This will make Kashmir an even more intractable problem.
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India to discuss China with US later this month

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 487290.cms
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Well,it appears that finally,and one sincerely hope finally,the GOI of th day has realised the extreme danger to the nation's security from the Sino-Pak axis,as the conntours of this joint gameplan against India is revealing itself,with events in Arunachal P,POK,Burma,etc.The diplomatic words however have to be backed up by military strength as we saw in '62 that India's moral strength came to nought when faced with Chinese military agression.AKA's visist to SoKO should be followed up by visits to Vietnam,Indonesia,Malaysia,Laos,Cambodia,the Phillipines and Taiwan too!
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A recent Indian visitor to China noticed that news about India in China, is almost always something funny, strange or really big. I wonder if the likes of Montana will defend this stance by recourse to "We have our way, you have your way". With the growing reach of the propagandistic, controlled, drone like Xinhua agency, could there be a problem with how India and other countries out of favour with China, are portrayed internationally?
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AoA, poisoned yogurt from China this time.....wonder what will the dlones spin it as?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 492251.cms
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Regarding the huge internal migrations, dunno if it has been in the news - but it's definitely something that indicates a subtle additional wiggle in the labour situation. This year, a little bird tells me, fairly significant chunks of the labour force did not return from the new year trip home. Rationale was that worker conditions had become unbearable even for these poor desperate people. This left a large number of factories drastically short of workers and unable to deliver orders on time. Maybe the problem is fixed by now though with wage raises (temporary?) and what not.

On a separate matter, China's recent energetic activities in PoK and its posture adjustment wrt J&K and other issues may be seen as a "baring of teeth". The real hand behind the puppet is being shown, one finger at a time. This may be because Beijing has concluded that Pakisatan's days as a "regular" state are numbered. It wants to show India that even if the cat's paw is injured, the big cat is still around.

In short, China is losing confidence in the survivability of its taller than mountain, deeper than ocean, harder than hardon friend.
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http://www.hindu.com/2010/09/05/stories ... 641200.htm

The language used is as if the 'recent tensions' are a mysterious creation of god and both parties are 'equally' engaged in dousing them...
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China withdraws reference to Gilgit-Baltistan as ‘northern Pakistan’

http://www.hindu.com/2010/09/05/stories ... 891200.htm
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Resentment Simmers in Western Chinese Region

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/world ... ighur.html
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:A recent Indian visitor to China noticed that news about India in China, is almost always something funny, strange or really big. I wonder if the likes of Montana will defend this stance by recourse to "We have our way, you have your way". With the growing reach of the propagandistic, controlled, drone like Xinhua agency, could there be a problem with how India and other countries out of favour with China, are portrayed internationally?
Since I got called out, I'll respond.
First of all. I'm not the most familiar with how the Chinese news media works. So I can't confirm nor deny whether there is a dedicated campaign against India in the Chinese Media. But, in my personal experience, "India" simply don't come up that much in everyday conversation. Whenever politics or geopolitics are talked about, USA, east asia and chinese politics are more common topics. Indian related news don't get that much readership in the papers, so I'm guessing that's why they are always funny, strange or big.

As for the reach of Xinhua, in my experience living overseas, any pro-china news that is not culturally related are aways treated with mistrust and suspecion. Any propraganda efforts are obvious from a mile away.
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Varoon Shekhar wrote:A recent Indian visitor to China noticed that news about India in China, is almost always something funny, strange or really big. I wonder if the likes of Montana will defend this stance by recourse to "We have our way, you have your way". With the growing reach of the propagandistic, controlled, drone like Xinhua agency, could there be a problem with how India and other countries out of favour with China, are portrayed internationally?


One of friend who travels to PRC as part of the company work started noticing small news item about India in the news papers in the last 4-5 years ago. It is a small news item giving small detail with contrasting news. This creates a small perception about India.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11200188
Chinese pilots lied about flying records
China is checking the qualifications of all its commercial pilots, after it emerged that more than 200 of them lied about their experience.

The revelation follows an investigation last year by the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).

Half the pilots worked for the parent company of an airline involved in a recent fatal plane crash.

Shenzhen Airlines is the parent company of Henan Airlines, whose aircraft crashed last month killing 42 people.

Fifty-four passengers and crew survived the crash, in which the plane missed the runway.

Between 2008 and 2009, the employment histories of more than 200 Chinese commercial pilots were found to have been falsified, with some of them embellishing their flying histories.
The report said that some of those involved were former military pilots who became civil pilots.

After being discovered, pilots were grounded and had to go through re-examinations and re-assessment.

A further investigation into qualifications has now been launched by the CAAC, the country's aviation regulator, which says it cannot guarantee it has got rid of all the underqualified pilots.

This new investigation will also look at others involved in China's aviation industry, including flight trainers, airline investigators, repair crews and air traffic controllers.
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Ajai Shukla: The shadow of Xinjiang
It would be strategically prudent to consider alternative Chinese motives, especially its obsession with the spread of radical Islam amongst the disaffected Uighur Muslims of Xinjiang, China’s sprawling province that borders Central Asia and Gilgit-Baltistan. With the radical Sunni Sipah-e-Sahiba Pakistan (SSP) and the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) spreading their influence in Gilgit-Baltistan, apparently with Pakistan Army and ISI connivance, Beijing fears that Pakistani-style radicalism could buttress the jehadi fervour that is already seeping into Xinjiang from Central Asia.
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China wants India in state of low-level equilibrium: PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 508868.cms
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 619392.ece

I am a Asian power, you are one of the important countries in S. Asia....look at the number of times India and south asia are mentioned together in this report...
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abhishek_sharma wrote:China wants India in state of low-level equilibrium: PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 508868.cms
OMG if even our 'gentle' PM can see through and say it like it is, the cheenis are seriously failing at camaflouging their true intentions and sowing FUD aajkal, must be.
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Suppiah wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 619392.ece

I am a Asian power, you are one of the important countries in S. Asia....look at the number of times India and south asia are mentioned together in this report...
Not only that but "China is one of the important members of Asia and we are committed to safeguarding peace and stability of Asia, including South Asia"

In other words "we are also the boss in South Asia too".
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Our genteel PM must also send out feelers about 'safeguarding human rights, peace and stability in North Asian regions of Indic interests' as it affects peace in our neighborhood.
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China wants to work with India for S Asia peace

Chinese seem utterly confused about what they want. Pece or confrontation. Either ways, I think india is in a position to hand out both pretty well now.
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Some thoughts on China. By a Chinese

“Guanxi networks and social/family affiliations are the key to success here(a lot of nepotism),so a narrow band of individuals will wield a lot of power,for example the families of former communist PLA members dating back to the 1949 still hold power in many big cities linked to the revolution,they are often very very rich and they decide who gets key jobs in government.Like wise successful private business men develop their own guanxi networks,and determine who they employ.This is feeding a major disparity in that in order to succeed (from the average masses lot here)in big cities,you need to have strong guanxi and relationships, In the large cities its still regional.so people from the same parts of China,come together and develop relationships,but these are often rural people and remain in certain professions(social mobility and progress is stifled).The established cities elites remain intact and at a distance from the rural migrants this is what i think is very clearly causing an incredible social disparity in China's big cities.And of course a lot of injustice and 'disrespect' occurs between the urbanized and the rural migrants.Migrants often do not like being considered with disdain when they've dreamt of making a fortune in a big city.”

“If you ever see a angry Chinese person ever truly lose 'face' it's best to stand well back in any circumstances,it s difficult to grasp in western terms but it s an uncontrollable emotional outpouring like a 'fit of passion' and leads to a lot of violence here.Its a precursor to lot of crime,this sense of humiliation and despair a total loss of control of actions.For example the students who crack under exam/teacher pressure and kill their teachers..another horrific scenario that happens here.Sadly suicide is the lost common outcome.'Face' an,recognition and respect are what keeps China a relatively civic and peaceful place.Crossing the line in abuse and 'disrespect' can make you an enemy for life..or worse.”

“Bringing to mind Napolean's comment that 'when China awakes the world will tremble'(He said it in 1800).A lot of Chinese leaders appear to be quite cautious in the media about a resurgent China.The masses here are mobilized and motivated towards development and greatness,but this is a pattern throughout Chinese history,the country seems to implode and in 50 odd year cycles.The Opium war period,the Taiping rebellion,the Communist era and the multitude stable and unstable regime/dynasty periods.Elders and leaders seem to embody the national interests and aspirations until they are usurped or undermined this eventually resulting in catastrophic upheavals and reversals.Are the old commissars up in Beijing going to hand over the keys to the future to the go getting born again capitalist generation?Judging by the weight of propaganda here,they are certainly at odds with the new value systems rampant capitalistic activity has brought into China.”

“wow,i have a Chinese Environmental scientist friend who says the Chinese economic miracle is dumping frenzy of economically hazardous and inefficient western enterprises into an innocent and trustingly naive nation exiled from the mainstream of 21st century development by it's cultural insularity and political instability.His main concern is a massive fossil fuel dependent economy will ultimately make the western industrial revolution seem like a dress rehearsal for environmental catastrophe.I myself am a little concerned about Chinese education when a 16 year old is asked to sit a national entrance exam for University (only one try allowed for your average student)which has on average a 94% failure rate.And my scientist friend also liked to live abroad because he found 80 % of Chinese food failed most western standard health tests.And of course the majority of Chinese dont have health care,so they suffer bravely and slave themselves to save and which then practically gets extorted by doctors,this is not astonishing me or my Chinese wife.”

“We are seeing what the Chinese government is lavishing out to us 'laowai'(means 'venerable outsider')like a disney-snapshot of modern China.The Shanghai communist clique always had great influence up in Beijing after it s organizing abilities amongst the Shanghai dock workers the Expo's Puxi site of is near the former International settlement (the merged USA and British sectors) but the former French Concession became the centre of the international Opium trade in the 1920'S.This made the city one of the most unequal in wealth distribution in the world.After the communist takeover Shanghai posed an image problem for the politburo (with its dubious colonial foundation on China's lowest ebb-the treaty of Nanking).Shanghai is mostly settled by internal migrants from the hinterland(unlike the USA)and the average Chinese person is truly not used to interaction with foreigners(its an open city for migrants)So we are seeing a dazzlingly zenith of propaganda which is becoming a successful formula for everyone to gush about China's economic miracle.Why do the Chinese save so much?Because health care is extortionate is a common answer.And a lot of Chinese see this Expo in the same light as westerners(only quietly!), an expensive commercial designed by power-point-fanatics to promote China's quest for power and resources. Inequality is still here,and the opium's gone,so we re just giving them our expensive trinkets...and the only unequal treaties being signed these days seem to be by western corporations trying to break into the Chinese market.”
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Nihat wrote:China wants to work with India for S Asia peace

Chinks seem utterly confused about what they want. Pece or confrontation. Either ways, I think india is in a position to hand out both pretty well now.
Meaning of this is that they are preparing for war. Before war they will talk deeply about PEACE and cooperation.
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Acharya wrote:
Nihat wrote:China wants to work with India for S Asia peace

Chinks seem utterly confused about what they want. Pece or confrontation. Either ways, I think india is in a position to hand out both pretty well now.
Meaning of this is that they are preparing for war. Before war they will talk deeply about PEACE and cooperation.
Acharya ji,
In this case, your economy of words, is just right to capture their thinking.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Beijing-D ... 97441.aspx
Beijing, Delhi downplay Manmohan’s China remark
I dont understand who is downplaying the accurate remark by PM. How can a servant of the government downplay the remarks of the Prime minister of the country? The article alludes to some unknown and unnamed official, but no mention of how the "downplaying" happened on the indian side.
I am no fan of MMS, but he finally is flexing some muscle. Like it or not, he is what we have right now. His accurate observation must not be allowed to be watered down by idiots in the media or babudom.
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^^^^
no need to read too much into unnamed official downplaying etc.
It is just blowing hot and cold similar to chinese versions. ours is democrazy onlee.

meanwhile panda hug on burma
The scope of the Shwe project is breathtaking when considering the terrain and the political instability of Burma’s north, through which the dual oil and gas pipelines will pass. China however has an upper hand in this part of the country which is populated largely by ethnic Chinese, which seemingly provides a trump card of sorts: minority groups such as the Wa and Kokang have traditionally leant towards Beijing in order to counter Burman domination.
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China goes beyond Pak, will build rail line to Iran

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/china ... ../678779/
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Acharya wrote:
Nihat wrote:China wants to work with India for S Asia peace

Chinks seem utterly confused about what they want. Pece or confrontation. Either ways, I think india is in a position to hand out both pretty well now.
Meaning of this is that they are preparing for war. Before war they will talk deeply about PEACE and cooperation.

does make a lot of sense, especially as the art of war speaks extensivly on the use of "deception" to win battles.
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RajeshA wrote:
Acharya ji,
In this case, your economy of words, is just right to capture their thinking.
Please dont use such words. It becomes a distraction
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Somehow PRC goons are in the mood to pick a fight wherever they can with no provocation.
Beijing protests as Japan arrests China boat captain
By Yoko Nishikawa and Ben Blanchard Yoko Nishikawa And Ben Blanchard – Wed Sep 8, 6:54 am ET

TOKYO/BEIJING (Reuters) – Japan has arrested the captain of a Chinese fishing boat that collided with two Japanese coast guard boats near disputed islets in the East China Sea, causing anger in Beijing and reigniting territorial tensions.

China's Foreign Ministry lodged a "strong protest" against the captain's arrest on Wednesday, with Assistant Foreign Minister Hu Zhengyue summoning Japan's ambassador for the second time in two days, Xinhua news agency said.

Hu "demanded that the Japanese side immediately release the ship and crew members on board and guarantee their safety," Xinhua reported.

Tokyo has also lodged protests over the incident but Japan's top government spokesman called for calm while the prime minister said the matter would be dealt with fairly.

"We will deal with this in a fair manner in line with Japanese laws," Prime Minister Naoto Kan told reporters.

A group of about 30 people carrying Chinese flags held a brief demonstration outside Japan's embassy in Beijing, demanding Japan "get out" of the islands, but they soon dispersed.
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On Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu reiterated that the Diaoyu islands belong to China, adding that China "reserved the right to take further action" over the fishing boat incident.
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Acharya wrote: Please dont use such words. It becomes a distraction
Kshama kijiyega, Acharya ji!
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China's wilder west
'We feel that our party has let the Tibetan people down. We feel very bad!'' Hu Yaobang told Tibetan cadres on behalf of the party's central leadership.
''The sole purpose of our communist party is to work for the happiness of people, to do good things for them. We have worked nearly 30 years, but the life of the Tibetan people has not been notably improved. Are we not to blame?
In the three decades since Hu Yaobang's extraordinary mea culpa, and 21 years since his death, Tibetan economic living standards have improved significantly but the political situation remains at crisis point.
Three weeks ago, the head of the party's United Front Department told Tibet cadres to appoint only ''politically reliable'' monks and demanded that clerics play a leading role in ''anti-separatist struggles''. About the same time, Tibetan sources revealed that authorities had secretly sentenced Tibet's wealthiest businessman to life imprisonment - which may have something to do with a large donation to the Dalai Lama.
The narrow cobblestone streets of the old Tibetan quarters are crawling with armed police and police informants. Tibetans are mostly too scared to talk openly with foreigners, but in dark corners after dusk many speak of their furious anger towards ''the Chinese'', as well as a near-obsessive faith in the Dalai Lama, a religious leader now so politically potent that even possessing his photograph is regarded by the authorities as evidence of subversion.
More than two years after at least 19 people were killed in the riots, parts of Lhasa still feel like a war zone. But the situation to the north in the sprawling Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region is even more serious. According to the official figures, about 200 people were butchered in riots in July last year, mainly Han Chinese but also Uighurs, the local Muslim ethnic group, gunned down by security forces.
Analysts inside the system are more realistic. ''The situation in Tibet has not improved but everyone forgets about it because Xinjiang is worse,'' says a Chinese security official, whose specialises in counter-terrorism in Xinjiang.
The security official agrees western China is stuck in an escalating cycle of repression and dissent.
Tibet and Xinjiang are run so much more tightly than the rest of China that local scholars have to balance research with propaganda responsibilities, while only a few well-behaved foreign scholars are granted access.
Crony business practices, and mineral wealth being siphoned off to eastern China, are a cause of acute discontent, not only for Uighurs and Tibetans but for other Chinese who are outside the privileged network.
'No matter how an official dances, he will dance with the red flag on his feet,'' he said in May.
:rotfl:
But there is no sign of any softening of the hardline stance on ethnic ''separatism'', a position that enjoys strong support among Han Chinese.
Not much news is available in the web about repression in Tibet and xinjaing. It must be pretty bad.
Wonder for how long will the ordinary chinese tolerate the economic freedom but denied the freedom to do what he likes. Must be crazy and dangerous to talk openly.
Hope Tibet and xinjaing get the freedom from china. Chinese must get freedom from communism. :twisted: :evil:
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Out of my curiosity that arose after reading US-PRC relations thread.......Google chaacha gave me some food on India-Taiwan, China-Taiwan and India-China w.r.t Taiwan. Though outdated, would like to share it here.

03 January, 2002 Taiwan, India Develop Military Ties


15 February, 2006 For Taiwan, India's in the slightly-less-hard basket
Bloggers wrote:11 August , 2005 Taiwan and India

14 May, 2009 Taiwan and India: Unlikely Friends
18 June, 2010 New costs bring India and Taiwan closer

27 June, 2010 Frightened by a dragon, India shies away from Taiwan

27 June, 2010 India’s Taiwan Snub

20 August, 2010 View of China military threat needs perspective

30 August, 2010 Deputy economic minister to visit India to push trade

2 September, 2010 Taiwan, India to co-develop 4G broadband wireless tech

3 September, 2010 Taiwanese companies to seek opportunities in India

8 September, 2010 More synergy between India, Taiwan needed: Taiwan Minister

I do not know if we have Taiwan thread or following "One China Policy" like GoI on BRF too, so posting the links here. Let me know if this info was posted before. I'll delete this post.
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China and Japan Bristle Over Disputed Chain of Islands

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/world ... ijing.html
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Venkarl wrote:Out of my curiosity that arose after reading US-PRC relations thread.......Google chaacha gave me some food on India-Taiwan, China-Taiwan and India-China w.r.t Taiwan. Though outdated, would like to share it here.
I do not know if we have Taiwan thread or following "One China Policy" like GoI on BRF too, so posting the links here. Let me know if this info was posted before. I'll delete this post.[/quote]

venkarl,
you can post about India taiwan stuff in managing china threat
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http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/gues ... bble/44270

Only excerpt posted below. Best to read the whole article from the link above.
The Mainstream Media in the U.S. has presented two basic approaches to understanding China's real estate bubble:

There is no bubble in Chinese real estate, as demand for housing is so vast that it will soak up all the tens of millions of flats that have been built in the past decade.
It is a bubble, and it's fueled by the same dynamic as the bubble that expanded and popped in the U.S. and elsewhere: easy credit and speculative lending encouraged by government policy.

Approach Number 1 has little to support it. Recent on-the-ground surveys found that half of the flats in Beijing and Shanghai are empty (or the occupants prefer living in the dark, night after night), while reports based on utility accounts found that there are roughly 65 million vacant apartments in China—the bulk of which are presumably held for investment.

Approach Number 2 has some merit, but it misses the key drivers in the Chinese housing bubble, and thus it is ultimately misleading.

My wife and I are fortunate to have a network of contacts and friends in China, and we learned that as long ago as 2004, the typical two-income middle class household in China—those in which wage earners make around $5,000 or more a year each—was buying one, two, or even three flats for investment purposes.

The apartments were not rented out, as this lowered the resale value, and renting out flats was a burden busy people didn't care to shoulder. Since there is no property tax in China that is analogous to U.S. parcel taxes, and since the vast majority of buyers paid cash, then the carrying costs for these investment properties was very modest. (The equivalent of maintenance/condo fees in most of China are typically well under $100 per month).

Why are Chinese dumping the majority of their savings in housing? One reason is that there are precious few investment options, and many investors felt burned by the volatile Chinese stock market (as they are not allowed to invest in overseas funds). Real estate has two advantages over stocks: Everyone understands it has value as shelter, and housing has been rising far faster than China's not-quite-benign rate of inflation.

The return offered on bank deposits in China is lower than the rate of inflation, and that creates yet another incentive to put ones money in real estate.

Another factor is what might be called the Central Party Put: Many Chinese believe their central government will not let real estate decline. Whether that faith is misplaced or not, only time will tell, but the key is actually held by local government, not the central government-controlled banks.
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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India culture snub to China
New Delhi, Sept. 9: India is not in any rush to send a team to China as part of a cultural exchange programme after Beijing said delegates from the Northeast and Jammu and Kashmir should not be included, government sources revealed.

An Indian delegation of professionals from various fields was to visit China later this year as part of an annual exchange programme.

A Chinese delegation had visited India last year on New Delhi’s invitation. However, even as the dates were being finalised, the Chinese government sent an email requesting India not to include delegates from the Northeast and Jammu and Kashmir. A flurry of e-mails later, the Chinese continued to stand their ground.
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What offended the Indian side most was that this time Beijing was making an issue not just of Arunachal Pradesh but the entire Northeast. “The Chinese attitude has been offending in the extreme to us,” a top government source said.

India has decided not to send the delegation till such time as China relents.
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The Chinese conundrum and the Indian response
Chinese Ministry of foreign affairs is taking great pains to dispel the ‘Chinese threat’ perceptions as they did in the past with the ‘Hindi Chini bhai bhai’ rodomontade. The Chinese strategy of ‘Energy sea lane security,’ an euphemism for military dominance in the Indian Ocean Region has provenanced what is characterized as ‘String of Pearls Theory ’and ‘Malacca dilemma’-multilateral appeasement as in the case of the Pakistanis and friendly sale of military hardware to Indian Ocean littorals, maritime infrastructure development, road, energy pipe line networks and electronic surveillance installations. Chinese bases have come up in the Port of Sittwa in Myanmar, Hambantotta in Sri Lanka, Marao in Maldives and Gwadar in Pakistan. Bilateral military relations with Brazil and its strategy of maritime multi lateralism are leveraging its naval power.
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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Exclusive: China's John Bolton

http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/post ... ohn_bolton
Sha Zukang, the U.N. undersecretary general for Economic and Social Affairs and the organization's most senior Chinese official, offered U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon a toast last week at a retreat in the Alpine resort town Alpbach that degenerated into an intoxicated rant against the United Nations, the United States, and his boss, Turtle Bay has learned.

"I know you never liked me Mr. Secretary-General -- well, I never liked you, either," Sha told Ban at a dinner attended by the U.N.'s top brass, according to a senior U.N. official who attended the event. "I didn't want to come to New York. It was the last thing I wanted to do. But I've come to love the U.N. and I'm coming to admire some things about you."

The blunt dinner remarks -- which came after Sha had a few drinks -- prompted U.N. officials to approach Sha and try to coax him into putting down the microphone, according to a U.N. spokesman and several U.N. sources who were there. It didn't work. Sha continued a lengthy speech, in which he also expressed his antipathy toward the United States. "It was a tribute gone awry," said a second senior U.N. official who was at the dinner. "It went on for about ten or fifteen minutes but it felt like an hour." Ban was described as having smiled and nodded awkwardly during the Sha rant, but he allowed the dinner to continue.
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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^^^ Intoxicated rant, my foot.

Its all scripted, IMHO. The cheenis are clinical in their practice of inscrutability. Any seeming let-ups are calculated to throw casual observers off-balance only.
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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Famous Chinese dish,"Drunken Dragon" in action at the UN.
The arrogance of the Middle Kingdom mandarins is on full display here,where the "barbarian" is actually the Chinaman in his cups,revealing to the world his dislike for Bun-kum Moon and Yanquis!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... icans.html

China's UN diplomat in drunken rant against Americans
China's top-ranking UN diplomat embarked on a drunken rant against the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, telling his boss he'd "never liked" him, and adding for good measure that he didn't like Americans either.

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The outburst by Sha Zukang at a retreat for top UN officials in the Austrian ski resort of Alpbach left senior UN officials cringing in embarrassment as others tried to convince him to put down the microphone, according to Washington-based Foreign Policy magazine.

"I know you never liked me Mr. Secretary-General – well, I never liked you, either," said Mr Sha as Mr Ban looked on, smiling and nodding awkwardly during the 15-minute toast attended by the UN's top brass.

Sha, who was appointed the UN undersecretary general for Economic and Social Affairs in 2007, also made no secret of his fractious relationship with Mr Ban, although did say he'd grown to respect the South Korean.

"You've been trying to get rid of me," said 62-year-old Mr Sha according to the senior UN official present, "You can fire me anytime, you can fire me today."

Later in his impromptu speech Mr Sha turned to an American colleague, singling out Bob Orr, from the executive office of the secretary-general.

"I really don't like him: he's an American and I really don't like Americans," he said.

A second senior UN official who was at the dinner said: "It went on for about ten or fifteen minutes but it felt like an hour."

Officials present at the dinner suggested that Mr Sha might have been the victim of a misguided attempt at humour.

The next morning Mr Sha requested a meeting with Mr Ban during which he was "deeply apologetic" according to Farhan Haq, the acting deputy UN spokesman.

Mr Farhan said: "Mr Sha told the Secretary General that he realised that the way that he spoke, coming as it did after he had had a few drinks, was inappropriate, as it went too far. He was also aware that his statements had embarrassed and irritated other senior advisers."

It is not the first time that Mr Sha, a career diplomat, has let the mask of diplomacy slip. In a BBC interview in 2006 he was goaded into a furious, shrieking attack on American criticisms of China's rapidly growing defence budget.

"It is much better for [America] to shut up, keep quiet. Are you the number one? Is it true that the US has almost 50 per cent of the world's military budget?"

The Chinese population is five or six times bigger.

"Why blame China? Forget it. It's high time to shut up. It's America's sovereign right to do whatever is good for them. But don't tell us what is good for China."
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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

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seems like the chinks are ranting at everybody. I wonder is this confidence or a case of chinese jitters. If it is the case of the later, then what is the the cause of these jitters?
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