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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Shiv saar, a few weeks ago I wrote the following ramble but did not post it because I didn't know if it would fit in the paki thread, plus I thought it was uncooked (it is still uncooked). But after reading your excellent post, I felt maybe I made some sense to myself. So here it is fwiw.

How do pakis reconcile Islam and their private depredations against fellow pakis?

Pakis can rationalize (with enough real/contrived ammunition from the Quran) their bestial behaviour against the kuffar. Thus killing of innocent men, women and children of the hated Hindu India can be swept under the carpet as ‘wajib-ul-qatl’ –Islamically condoned, or even ordained actions. Lying through the teeth to India or the west can also be justified with this or that Quranic injunction or exhortation. Pakis, being the subhuman species that they are, can also condone their horrific treatment of their own women as ‘wajib’ under the rubric of PakIslam. But how do they reconcile their various depredations against fellow pakis of the same sect?

How does a Sunni paki justify demanding a bribe or killing/maiming another sunni paki? I believe that the answer lies in the innate ‘dharmic’ mis-instruction set that pakis carry in their genes. Dharma (Vedic dharma – that pakis adhered to until a few hundred years ago) does not lay down a book of instructions on what is right and what is wrong. But it lays down a set of principles for judging whether an action or inaction is ‘dharmic’ or not. I daresay that a few hundred years ago the paki genes did carry this instruction set (I am speaking metaphorically off course! Dharmic instructions are not encoded in any DNA to be carried through the generations. Perhaps I am referring to dharmic memes!). But over the last few centuries due to an environmental effect (natural selection of Darwin), the original genes have become corrupted and have lost the ability to distinguish between the right and wrong as defined by the original dharmic instruction set. But the new instruction set has neither been fully implanted nor has it been discarded. This creates a morphed gene (meme) that gives rise to a garbled instruction set that mixes unintended parts from both the instruction sets (Vedic and Islamic).

This has interesting consequences. One of the defining cornerstones of the original Vedic instruction set (IMHO) is that there is no external agency/God/Book/Pundit that can sit in judgment of one’s actions. Since every individual (and every animate or inanimate entity) is a representation of the Supreme Truth (Brahma/God/Allah/Yahweh/etc.), every individual is endowed with the privilege to sit in judgment of one’s own actions (karmas). On the other hand, the other instruction set (Islamic) has clear, unambiguous as well as conflicting (which means sometimes ambiguous) rules on what is wajib (Dharmic/Islamic) on a personal level. When pakis do something that the rest of the civilized world would consider odious or bestial, the paki himself/herself is either justifying it on the basis of Islam or on the basis of a personal judgment of right or wrong. But the basis for both the judgments is faulty because the instruction sets have been mixed and mismatched and turned into a mess.

Sorry for the ramble.

ps. forgot to add the obligatory equal-equal :D
A large % of Indians also carry the same contradictions - in their case the implanted instrcution set is called 'Mackaulay' plus other sundry corruptions of the original instruction set.
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CRamS wrote:Brad Goodman:

Everything you say is true, but from India's POV, the threat from TSP remains alive and kicking. TSP RAPE are steadfast in their belief that a nuke showdown with India is their ultimate elixir. And neither India's militrar prowesee not any international pressure or lack thereof has forced TSP to back off. Their current strategy is to survice the moment and up the ante later. Ans the 3.5 are willing collaboraters in this strategy as we speak.
CRamS ji, I seriously doubt this bluff. There is a fine line between fantasy and ability. Let me give you an example. All of us as kids watched Bruce Lee films in theatre almost all of us come of the the theatre mesmerized and promise ourselves that we will become like Bruce Lee and take on bad people. For most of us this fantasy to become Bruce Lee dies down in few days. A very few join martial arts class and train to fulfill that dream and only select few persist with the dream.

Now lets look at the players in pakistan.

A) RAPES: They fall in first category. They dream of nuking India but will do nothing to fulfill this fantasy except painting it all over forums

B) Military: They have the means to do it but do they have they the stomach to pull the trigger? If you have read Ayesha Siddiqa you will have already figured what I want to say. Most TSPA officers Col and up are so busy plundering pakis in form of free land, free houses, plush positions in fauji foundations & kickbacks in defense deals that they have no appetite to wear war fatigues and get on the front. They have outsourced that lashkars & bunnies.

C) Lashkar & Bunnies: They have the will & ability to do it. But they lack the means (ability) to do it. nooki bum is not like diwali phataka that you light up the fuse and job done. Worst case they can do something with dirty bum but even to get to that stage they need full support from TSPA jernails. Now jernails will weigh the consequences of their actions including how much property he will lose or does his friends and family have to bear consequence of any fallout. This is not like a kargil where you can wash your hands off it. Its going to set off alarm bells all over the world including 3.5 masters who control the leash even if dog controls its own teeth so he can bite but will lose its neck in bargain.
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Sorry Abhijit. It doesn't cut it. the Pak behavior can be easily explained by the precept "more green is better than less green!" No need to bring in Hindu/Dharmic concepts.

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I am going to transfer your post to the GDF thread if you want.
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Ok ramana gaaru. Pl. move it. Thx.
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India should donate more green paint to paquis as a flood relief. Pakis going toward green world is good for India.
It will bring out their true pakistaniyat to rest of the world what India has been dealing with since 1940.

I wish jinha was alive to see his moth eaten pakistan becoming garbage case & laughing stock of the world.It is in
paki's blood to be cheat & deceive. They learn this behavior well before they start attending elementry school.
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On second thoughts I will x-post it. Not to break the flow.
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There was an article in Science in the mid-70s about physics in the 3rd world. They interviewed one physicist from Bangladesh who had lived through the horrible era in which East and West Pakistan were divided. Since the official policy was to kill just about anyone who could read or write, he spent his time in hiding, working on physics to stay sane, and some how he survived.

Saw the above elsewhere. If someone has access and can post the article from Science, it might be something worth having.
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amdavadi wrote:
I wish jinha was alive to see his moth eaten pakistan becoming garbage case & laughing stock of the world.It is in
paki's blood to be cheat & deceive. They learn this behavior well before they start attending elementry school.

jinnah knew it well before he departed to his heavenly reward.

Hope that he is contemplating his moth eaten creation from on high.

alea jacta est :evil:
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Nuggets from TFT
America’s ‘naz-nakhray’

Famous strategic thinker and security expert and ex-FIA high official Ahmad Riaz Sheikh wrote in daily Pakistan that Pakistan occupied a great geostrategic position because it was the only state in the region that could endure the naz-nakhray (whims) of America. He stated that Pakistan’s greatness was that it could carry the burden of America’s friendship without abandoning its own self-interest.

Bhutto and Benazir

Great columnist Haroon Rashid wrote in Jang that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was a nationalist who treated the Brahmins of India in the right manner and made fun of India’s hegemony (roab-daab). He started the nuclear project but he was a man of revenge and was narcissistic. On the other hand, Benazir was different. She was scared of America and she tried to placate the Brahmins. She went to India and criticised the mujahideen and held them responsible for the bilateral tension. But she was better than Zardari in any case. She would deceive America (chakma) and India by promising one thing and doing another.

Afghan transit trade a conspiracy

Tehreek Istaqlal leader Rehman Vardag was quoted by Nawa-e-Waqt as saying that the government’s agreement with Afghanistan for transit facilities to India was a conspiracy against Pakistan because Hillary Clinton was seen clapping while the transit accord was signed. :rotfl: :rotfl: The paper also reported federal minister Qamar Zaman Kaira as saying that Pakistan had not given India any transit facilities to Afghanistan and that the transit agreement had allowed Pakistan a route through Afghanistan to Central Asia.

ISI hero in trouble

Reported in Nawa-e-Waqt ex-ISI officer and once known as the ruler of Herat under the Taliban, Col Ameer Imam sent a message from somewhere in Waziristan that he was in the prison of Lashkar Jhangvi Al Alami and that they were going to kill him like his fellow ex-ISI officer, Khalid Khwaja, if their conditions were not met by the ISI chief General Pasha. He said his end will be worse than Khwaja whose body was riddled with bullets. He said he was lying in an underground cell for the last four months but the government had done nothing to meet the conditions set by the Lashkar. Khalid Khwaja was killed after a phone call from Islamabad.

Pakistan’s ‘changa-manga’ politics

Daily Nawa-e-Waqt reported the bold remarks of the highly respected Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, which were that Pakistani politics was actually the ground reality of ‘changa-manga’ (politicians bribing each other).

Steel Mill facts

Veteran politician M Hamza wrote in Jang that Pakistan Steel Mill made 1.1 million tonnes of steel and was badly managed. It employed 17,000 workers and was only partially functional while in Iran, a steel mill producing 3.5 million tons of steel employed only 7,000 workers. :(( :((

‘Imran Khan is an extremist!’

Reported in Aajkal, a Tehreek Insaf member Asif Khan called on Governor Punjab Salmaan Taseer after joining the PPP and accused Imran Khan, leader of Tehreek Insaf, an extremist. He said Imran Khan was supportive of the Taliban but when he went to Europe and America, he pretended to different.
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Such Gup from TFT

Stacked with cash

Our mole in Gill on the Hill’s Lahore home reports that Begum Sahiba is the fortunate recipient of regular wads of cash which she keeps in a specially appointed cupboard. There are three further cupboards, we hear – one for jewels, another for shoes and the third for handbags. Our mole says the dosh cupboard is invariably stacked with cash and there seems to be no shortage of it whatsoever. This may explain that other rumour from Lahore airport where it was noticed that Begum Sahiba carried 200,000 Euros in cash on her person, on a London-bound flight.

Sweet tooth

We have it on good authority that Canny cannot live without two things – ciggies and surprise, surprise, gurr or unrefined brown sugar. Sources say Canny’s bodyguard carries ample supplies of both, just in case he runs out. (Who is canny?)-Bilawal bhutto?

Fait accompli

Senior officials in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa are of the view that the whole of FATA is in effect a Taliban state, in all but name. Distinctions between South Waziristan, which our khakis claim to have purged of the Taliban, and North Waziristan where they have a hands off policy, are immaterial, say those in the know. Similarly, there are no differences between the Pakistani Taliban and the Afghan Taliban. They are one network and they've been joined in their mountain redoubts by jihadists of all hue. This potent organisation, under the leadership of the Haqqanis, has established its emirate as a fait accompli and Swat, from which it has retreated for the moment will be reoccupied the minute our khakis withdraw from it. KP officials also believe that the world's most wanted terrorists, OBL included, are holed up in the forests of North Waziristan. It's also felt that if the Americans withdraw from Aghanistan, the country will be partitioned with the north going to the Alliance, and the south going to the Taliban. After that, FATA will be a natural first domino to fall. And the Taliban will not stop at that. They will covet the settled areas of KP too. May God have mercy on us all.
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Diary of a Social Butterfly from TFT
Last night we were invited to Mulloo’s for iftar. Just us, Sunny, Akbar, Baby and Jammy. Mulloo’s very religious na and she always keeps all her fasts and says all her prayers. Anyways, iftar was fruit chaat, aaloo channay, gol guppay, dahi phulki, chicken samosa, meat samosa, pakoras, sandwiches, patties, pizza, chicken nuggets, milk shake, nimbu pani and chai.

Of course Mulloo opened her fast with one khajoor only. She said, ‘I’m tau very particular about doing sunnat. I never ever do my iftar on anything else but a date.’ ‘Of course not,’ said Janoo. ‘Mulloo, you are justly famed for your piety and simplicity.’

I gave Janoo a kick under the table but I don’t think so Mulloo noticed that he was being sarcastic. She gave a snug sa smile and straightened her hijab. Then there was silence as everyone ate and ate until we were bursting and Janoo sat and watched and smoked. Then Mulloo went off to say her prayers, and we all watched latest flood coverage on TV. All those destroyed crops, starving children, sick people and swept away villages. So depressing, vaisay.

‘If it hadn’t been for the army’ Jammy said with a burp, ‘I don’t know who would’ve done all that saving shaving.’ ‘If it hadn’t been for the army,’ said Janoo, ‘we wouldn’t have been in this mess. ’ ‘Yaar, are you saving army sent the floods? Haan?’ ‘No,’ said Baby. ‘Those tau India sent. They reverted all the river water to this side only.’ ‘And I suppose,’ said Janoo, ‘India also diverted all the rain clouds to this side.’ ‘You know what I’m saying,’ said Baby folding her arms across her chest. ‘No actually I don’t know what any of you are saying,’ said Janoo angrily stubbing out his cigarette. Uff Allah, I thought to myself, now he’s going to do another out bust. So I made signs and symptoms at him from across the room but majaal hai keh he looked at me for even one second. :rotfl:

‘The army bloody well ought to help,’ said Janoo. ‘That’s what we pay them for. You talk of the politicians’ corruption, it’s chicken feed compared to the army’s. But you don’t think of all their lands, plots, businesses, industries, Defence Housing Societies, Fauji Foundation, arms deals and secret budgets as corruption. That’s just the army’s entitlement!’

Thanks God just then Mulloo came in and announced dinner, which was aloo gosht, palak gosht, biryani, koftay, chicken karahi, seekh kebab and for desert, kheer, ice cream and chocolate cake. ‘Hai, I’ll miss Ramzan when it’s over,’ sighed Mulloo. ‘I feel so cleansed during this holy month of fasting.’

‘Bilkull,’ said Sunny. ‘And the goras think they invented the detox diet!’
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Canny = Kiyani.

So he likes his gur-shakar. Is he covert indic?
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chetak wrote:
amdavadi wrote:
I wish jinha was alive to see his moth eaten pakistan becoming garbage case & laughing stock of the world.It is in
paki's blood to be cheat & deceive. They learn this behavior well before they start attending elementry school.

jinnah knew it well before he departed to his heavenly reward.

Hope that he is contemplating his moth eaten creation from on high.

alea jacta est :evil:
I don't quite get many of us Indians dislike of Jinnah. I thank Jinnah everyday for the Partition. The greatest gift given to India ever was Jinah's request for partition. Wish it had not been violent. But partition was good for India.

Here is a very interesting discussion by Jaswant's Singhs book on Jinnah.

http://www.youtube.com/user/KashifHKhan ... pEL6ZWGl1Y
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Manny wrote:
I don't quite get many of us Indians dislike of Jinnah. I thank Jinnah everyday for the Partition. The greatest gift given to India ever was Jinah's request for partition. Wish it had not been violent. But partition was good for India.

Here is a very interesting discussion by Jaswant's Singhs book on Jinnah.

http://www.youtube.com/user/KashifHKhan ... pEL6ZWGl1Y
Partition was good but incomplete.
For me partition was not on the basis of any logic otherwise leader should have insisted on planned and peaceful complete population transfer. This is perfect example of I want cake and then eat it too. Population transfer would have stopped endless riots, appeasement and this stupid debate between secular vs non-secular. Pakistani leaders were greedy and our leaders were short-sighted.
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The Pakis hate India so much, because they hate each other a lot. As it is forbidden to like kuffars more than other Muslims, they have to hate India more than themselves. Being forced by Islam to hate their true matryabhumi (Bharat) makes them hate each other even more, and so it goes on in the shrunken heads of the Pakis ....

In order to hide Pakistanis hatred for Islam, all hypnotists have been banned in Pakistan!
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The foreign players in Pakistan Premier League are over hyped and over paid. All that style and swagger for a paltry boundry, huh!
US drone strike kills four militants in Pakistan: officials

Yo Paklurks, promote local talent like Hakimullah Mehsud who can negotiate crumbling pitches and still score centuries.
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Pakistan is good, only its image is bad. We should polish our image.

http://thenews.com.pk/09-09-2010/Opinion/3805.htm
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ramana wrote:Canny = Kiyani.

So he likes his gur-shakar. Is he covert indic?
For what it is worth ran into a young AB Desi friend over the weekend who represents the USG at the very highest levels in meetings in India and Pakistan. She was on the team working the Nuclear Liability Bill thru Delhi. She belives MM Singh is extremly intelligent and represents India's POV very impressed with him. She also belived BJP caused the most pain by making it worse for Indian Operators in that bill.
She likes get this - Zardari and does not trust Kayani.
My impression of this person was she represents US first and foremost and no sign of any extra feelings towards India during her professional dealings..
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Jayram wrote:For what it is worth ran into a young AB Desi friend over the weekend who represents the USG at the very highest levels in meetings in India and Pakistan. She was on the team working the Nuclear Liability Bill thru Delhi. She belives MM Singh is extremly intelligent and represents India's POV very impressed with him. She also belived BJP caused the most pain by making it worse for Indian Operators in that bill.
She likes get this - Zardari and does not trust Kayani.
My impression of this person was she represents US first and foremost and no sign of any extra feelings towards India during her professional dealings..
Her allegiance to US makes her think the BJP caused most pain. And she is disappointed as the US didn't get what they wanted.
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Has Pakistan's Military Lost Ground to the Floods?
For Pakistan's powerful military, the unprecedented floods have been a mixed blessing. The military has won plaudits for leading the rescue and relief efforts, as the civilian government was criticized as being impassive. But with 72,000 soldiers involved across the country, the disaster has strained resources to the point where troops have been diverted from holding crucial territory that has been wrenched back from the Pakistani Taliban, and future offensives have been put on hold.
For an army of over 550,000 troops with nearly 300000 facing India
For the moment, where the fighting continues in the tribal areas, the military is losing its edge to the tactical difficulties the floods present. In Khyber, Bajaur and particularly Orakzai, heavy airpower is still being used in tandem with troops on the ground.
But the floods now mean that the army is unlikely to be able to pursue the militants into North Waziristan, as even Secretary of Defense Robert Gates acknowledged last week. "In the areas where one had a plan for an offensive position, one is being forced to take a defensive positions," says the military officia
what a blessing from above
In the absence of a Pakistani offensive, there has been an intensification of CIA-operated drone strikes targeting the Haqqani network there. Over the past week, there have been seven such strikes; three fired on Sept. 8 killed 14 suspected militants.
Remember "suspected" birds 8)
But North Waziristan has also increasingly become home to the Pakistan army's most fearsome enemies. It is the base of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, the sectarian terror group with deep links to al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban(TTP), responsible for the slaughter of 94 Shi'ite Muslims in two days in two separate cities last week.
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We want her to think of US interests first and if she does they will be India friendly.
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ramana wrote:We want her to think of US interests first and if she does they will be India friendly.
Agreed
Dont want to go too much OT however she mentioned the 'BJP' not 'opposition' generic. I was stuck by that.. Wonder just much kujli BJP causes to US in general..
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Jayram wrote:
ramana wrote:We want her to think of US interests first and if she does they will be India friendly.
Agreed
Dont want to go too much OT however she mentioned the 'BJP' not 'opposition' generic. I was stuck by that.. Wonder just much kujli BJP causes to US in general..
They should not look at internal politics inside India. That is an internal matter and it is the national interest of India.

Once they start looking at India as ruling group and seperate opposition group/political party then they play sides and they are not really negotiating with one India. They have to see only one India.

Unless they wants to interfere inside the party politics inside India and have been doing it subtly for the last 20 years. AB desis are the faces to they put in the front so that they can get inside the party politics of Indian state. Indian politcos will think they are just like them and give out info
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Lalmohan wrote:a while back i was at a think tank lecture where a paqui jarnail was speaking. one of the audience (an american) asked him to comment on cold start. jarnail sahib looked irritated and then speaking in a snarling growl said that cold start was the same as crossing the nook red line. they are terrified.
Thats an interesting observation. CS has really caused a lot of takleef to paki jernails and self styled think tanks. Now they need to re do their homework
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Lalmohan, Any clue/hint as to where it was?
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Cuban Police Crack Down on Demonstration by Pakistani Medical Students
Cuban police armed with assault rifles, bayonets and full riot gear shut down a demonstration Wednesday by medical students from Pakistan protesting what they say is the inferior education they are getting in Cuba, the Cuban blog Babalu reported
Looks like the medical books do not conform to their madarsa cirriculum. I am finding baki students studying medicine in all exotic locations from Tajikistan to Cheena and now Cuba. Plus one baki mujahid was learning hotel management in Chilie. Now sure how they get vijja to all these places
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Various organs of the Pakistani government developed and propagated the myth of Pakistanis being of Central Asian or Middle Eastern or Turkish origin, depending upon circumstances or imagination, in order to avoid having anything to do with their “Indianness”. In 1964, Pakistan created a grouping called Regional Cooperation for Development (RCD), with Iran and Turkey as its members, to get out of its claustrophobia with the Indian sub-continent. Pakistan believed that it had a common heritage of history and culture with Iran and Turkey and the grouping would therefore help enhance the socio-economic ties with those countries. An RCD cultural Institute was also setup in Islamabad to further these aims. RCD lasted until 1979 but was singularly unsuccessful. When the Central Asian Republic (CAR) countries gained independence from the USSR in c. 1991, Pakistan not only helped them get membership in the OIC but also into the ECO (Economic Cooperation Organization) which was a follow-on to the RCD
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Brad Goodman wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:a while back i was at a think tank lecture where a paqui jarnail was speaking. one of the audience (an american) asked him to comment on cold start. jarnail sahib looked irritated and then speaking in a snarling growl said that cold start was the same as crossing the nook red line. they are terrified.
Thats an interesting observation. CS has really caused a lot of takleef to paki jernails and self styled think tanks. Now they need to re do their homework
I have also come across similar Pakistani thinking. Pakistan has to continuously lower its nuclear thresholds as it gets weaker and weaker.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shirin-sa ... 10779.html
$11-Million Monument to Benazir Bhutto: APPROVED
This week, as flood waters ravage Pakistan's land and 20 million of its people, and after Pakistan's own president, Asif Ali Zardari, managed to muster only $58,000 of his own vast wealth to the flood relief (a donation nearly doubled by Angelina Jolie), yet another devastating blow has hit Pakistan: news that the government has now approved an $11-million statue of the President's assassinated wife, Benazir Bhutto. And yes, this is Pakistani taxpayer money.The statue itself will cost 4.7 million dollars, and it will be built on land that is worth another 5.9 million dollars. Apparently, Mr. Zardari, whose personal wealth is estimated to be more than 1 billion dollars, just couldn't afford to donate the land or the statue in honor of the mother of his children. His government decided the people of Pakistan could afford it, though. People who, according to the World Bank, have an average per capita income of $870 annually.
( Poak GDP is under 150B, assuming 170Mill Fools and will be equal to 1month of Indian GDP next year)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

Post by Hari Seldon »

SSridhar wrote:I have also come across similar Pakistani thinking. Pakistan has to continuously lower its nuclear thresholds as it gets weaker and weaker.
In the limit, India's very existence will be provocation enough to penetrate pak's nook threshold. Oh, that was always the case anyway with Pak's unsanity threshold.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Abhijit wrote:
How do pakis reconcile Islam and their private depredations against fellow pakis?

Pakis can rationalize (with enough real/contrived ammunition from the Quran) their bestial behaviour against the kuffar. Thus killing of innocent men, women and children of the hated Hindu India can be swept under the carpet as ‘wajib-ul-qatl’ –Islamically condoned, or even ordained actions. Lying through the teeth to India or the west can also be justified with this or that Quranic injunction or exhortation. Pakis, being the subhuman species that they are, can also condone their horrific treatment of their own women as ‘wajib’ under the rubric of PakIslam. But how do they reconcile their various depredations against fellow pakis of the same sect?

How does a Sunni paki justify demanding a bribe or killing/maiming another sunni paki?

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When pakis do something that the rest of the civilized world would consider odious or bestial, the paki himself/herself is either justifying it on the basis of Islam or on the basis of a personal judgment of right or wrong. But the basis for both the judgments is faulty because the instruction sets have been mixed and mismatched and turned into a mess.

Sorry for the ramble.
Where's the thumbs up icon when you need it? Boss that's not a ramble - it is an excellent exposition of what may well be the real explanation. It certainly goes further than the mental dead end I had reached.

This is a fantastic new line of thought that I will keep in mind the next time PakPisko starts cropping up in my head.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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James B wrote:Such Gup from TFT

It's also felt that if the Americans withdraw from Aghanistan, the country will be partitioned with the north going to the Alliance, and the south going to the Taliban. After that, FATA will be a natural first domino to fall. And the Taliban will not stop at that. They will covet the settled areas of KP too. May God have mercy on us all.
Aha - some dimbulb tubelights are blinking on...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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VikramS wrote:
-> How will the 3.5 customers of TSP react if the beards takeover instead of the RAPE?
-> Assuming that the 3.5 customers will not tolerate the beard, what is the path taken; i.e. what will be the chess moves?
Please allow me a skatological analogy here.

This is like me wanting to go to the toilet in an overnight bus ride and thinking "What if I crap in my pants?". Of course crapping in my pants will be a mess for me and stink up everyone else's happiness. The obvious choice - which is followed by most adults in such overnight buses is to hold back and not crap in the pants.

The relevance of this to your question is all follows. You have asked
-> How will the 3.5 customers of TSP react if the beards takeover instead of the RAPE?
The answer to that is that the 3.5 will do their utmost to prevent the beards from taking over. They will try and prevent teh crap from spilling out into the pants. They will support every entity possible (mainly army) in Pakistan to stop that from happening. So the possibility of beards taking over is not as easy as it may seem. However, if the beards do take over - it will only be after they (the beards) have defeated every single opponent that the 3.5 can throw at them. If the Pakistani army gets defeated internally - I don't believe that the 3.5 will actually send in their soldiers to fight off the beards.

On the other hand it would also be wrong to assume that the population of Pakistan (mango Abduls who are neither beard nor army) would blindly welcome beard over army. The possibility of preferring beard over army arises only if beards provide things that the mango Abduls need which are not being provided by the army and current leadership.

In fact this is the situation that Pakistan has reached, namely:
  • Some beards have begun to take over in some areas
  • The 3.5 are supporting the army and "civil society" :rotfl: against the beards
  • There are areas where the beards are offering better governance for mango Abdul than the current dispensation
  • It is in those areas where the army and 3.5 are likely to fail and there is nothing that they can do about it if the 3.5 do not put troops on the ground
  • There is no guarantee that either beards or (army+3.5) will be the unequivocal winner
  • That only means a chronic state of failure and civil war will continue
  • I am hoping this leads to an eventual beard takeover. Obviously, such a takeover is dependent on the preconditions listed above
  • To avoid a beard takeover Pakistan will have to provide good governance and renounce some aspects of Islam as promoted by beards. There is, as you know, no such thing as "radical Islam". There may be for you and me, but within Islam there is no such things as radical Islam and non radical Islam
  • I would be glad to find out what it is about Islam that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan will renounce 8)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Aha moment for me. Now, the jigsaw puzzle is clearing. The abduction of the CJCSC's son-in-law and the failure of the police to trace him for three weeks now are pointers to who might have abducted him to force the CJCSC to retire. We can now expect the s-i-l to be released mysteriously after the CJCSC retires.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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From MEA's website

EAM conveys Eid greetings to his Pak counterpart - India to repatriate Pak fishermen and prisoners


09/09/2010

In a letter to his Pakistani counterpart, EAM has conveyed the deep appreciation of the people and Government of India on the release of 442 Indian fishermen who had been lodged in various jails in Pakistan. While thanking the Government of Pakistan, EAM said that he looked forward to early release and repatriation of all Indian and Pakistani prisoners to their respective countries.

EAM also conveyed his greetings to Foreign Minister Qureshi on the forthcoming festival of Eid-ul-Fitr and reiterated India’s commitment to work with Pakistan for the common good of the peoples of the two countries.

Subsequently, Government of India has conveyed to the Government of Pakistan its decision to repatriate seven Pakistani fishermen and twenty four civilian prisoners on September 15, 2010. Further steps are being taken, in cooperation with the Government of Pakistan, to release and repatriate other eligible Pakistani prisoners lodged in Indian jails.

New Delhi
September 09, 2010
I guess these are preparations for a meeting during UN General Assembly
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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What is "settled areas of KP"? Yes, tubelight is not going on, sorry.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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^Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. But then Bannu, Peshawar, Mardan, Kohat ityadi.....roz suffer from IED mubarak. What is remaining to "covet"?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Intellectual construction of Pakistan ( WT Fuss is this, the Intelelctual Deficit of last 1400 years)
Barsarat H. Khujlibaj.
He believed that the rise of Islam was chiefly due to Muslims’ love for knowledge and if the Indian Muslims wanted to rise again, they would have to acquire modern knowledge. As to the question of Muslims’ identity in India, he informed them that they were a part of the larger Muslim ummah. These lines of the Mussadas
The stable ship of the Hijazi faith,
That never stopped in the face of danger,
Finally sank on the bank of Ganges,
are quite instructive in reminding the Muslims that they were different from the Hindus because their roots lay in the Arabian soil. Their glorious rise in Arabia met its tragic end in India in 1857. This poem made him the national poet of the Indian Muslims and his advice to them was to make the best out of the British rule because
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... Pakistan/1
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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the settled areas probably refer to places with 'some' govt presence and regular pakistan law, as opposed to being run by tribal councils and levies as they see fit.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Well the "fait accompli" nugget itself explains this better.
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