Telangana Monitor

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Sep 2010 00:19

kmkraoind wrote:Small request to Mupalla garu, when you post eenadu links, post links from Archive link so that they cannot change the content when the date changes, TIA.

Thank you.

Here it is.
http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive- ... panel5.htm

Krishna_V · Post by **Krishna_V** » 09 Sep 2010 01:07

Duggal statement on source of income for families under poverty comes from

1) Government welfare schemes
2) Agriculture labor
3) 4 to 5 months of construction work in cities like hyd

Its evident that hyd is important to all corners of the state and is taken note of. So I believe if the state splits greater changes of Hyd becoming UT or combined capital (don’t know how they are going to deal with T on Hyd status).

Coming back to INC the only way they can come out of this mess and still win 2014 is by creating T-state, make KCR as chief for T-state and make Jagan for rest of the state (That way cut down Jagan dependency to 20 odd MPs). There is no way INC can win fighting TDP and Jagan.

Like Rama garu said I too want to believe Jagan episode is all staged but why would INC and its pro MLAs expose YSR corruption?

If T state is formed who will the CM? Will congress T vadis accept KCR as CM? if not wht if KCR sides BJP?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 09 Sep 2010 05:38

if state is divided then INC will be wipped out in rest of the state and TRS will be i power in T land. So both side they will lose. In case of division JAGAN DO NOT NEED INC TO BECOME CM. He can win on his own. In fact most of the leaders will jump out of congress.

Without Hyd T vadis never going to accept division. The main reason for the division is the loot in the Hyd real estate. Do you think KCR will let it go?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 09 Sep 2010 08:52

The following is one line of thinking:

Unless Jagan comes out or gets kicked out, and does real damage (this is key) to Congress for coming decades, we can assume that his is all stage managed to consolidate Voteblock* of South of Krishna River and Reddy voteblock. In fact, most events are stage managed since last elections.

Congress players are:
- KCR/TRS (Velamas) for Telangana for doing violent things so T-Congress (Reddys and Kapus) is seen as moderate
- T-Congress leaders (high-command people) who bend the way Central Congress wants.
- Jagan for Rayalaseema and parts of Prakasam+Nellore (together called Greater Rayalaseema). So he can minimize damage from T division by splitting TDP votes as TDP is assumed to be stuck in the middle ground (two-eyes theory)
- Chiru/Botsa (Kapus) are for rest of Coastal Andhra and exploit Kapu-kamma rivalry to minimize damage.
- Lagadapati&co (Kammas) to keep Kammas from crossing-over
- SCs (high-command people) to echo what Central Congress wants.

T division scenario: (from Congress angle)
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- Congress gets TRS and defeats TDP thoroughly and slowly crushes KCR
- In Rayalaseema, TDP is stuck and Jagan can come as exclusive Samaikyavadi to rally people. Jagan wins
- In Coastal, Chiru is showcased as Samaikyavadi to rally people even if Kammas jump to TDP. TDP and Congress split seats

In sum, it is okay for Congress to lose along with TDP as long as Congress proxies win.

No T-division scenario:
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- TRS gains more seats, Congress loses some and TDP loses some. They can release T to Jagan if they want to control TRS that can also result in votes due to relief in RS and Coastal regions
- In RS, Jagan is showcased as winner. TDP and Congress split seats
- In Coastal, there can be status quo with TDP winning some more.

Net effect is status-quo overall with Congress losing with minimum damage.

* They show Telangana Bhoochi (bugaboo) and consolidate voteblock with the fear of losing Krishna waters. YSR used this to win in the last elections.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 09 Sep 2010 08:58

Narayana Rao wrote:if state is divided then INC will be wipped out in rest of the state and TRS will be i power in T land. So both side they will lose. In case of division JAGAN DO NOT NEED INC TO BECOME CM. He can win on his own. In fact most of the leaders will jump out of congress.

Without Hyd T vadis never going to accept division. The main reason for the division is the loot in the Hyd real estate. Do you think KCR will let it go?

His new slogan is Khammam Steel is Telangana's Steel. Well Khammam leaders retorted Khammam steel (actually it is iron ore) is Khammam's. For T-leaders getting Telangana is bonanza as old exploiters are gone they become new exploiters.

For Congress, it is future control as they might have thought T-leaders are pliable and can exploit them.
Suppose some new issue comes. They can create a water war between T and non-T and control the issue.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 09 Sep 2010 13:39

Musunuri Scenario I talked about before. (Assumption here is that Central Congress is truly angry at Jagan). Jagan-Gali duo pretty much safeguard their illgotten wealth by being in different parties. If Congress kicks Jagan out, there is possibility that he cross-supports TDP even without joining.

Media is putting possible scenarios as SriKrishna committee report is nearning.

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http://www.gulte.com/index.php?andhra-p ... &link=5486
TDP - Jagan alliance???
As Jagan becoming more impatient gradually, the media is speculating over the possible floatation of new political party by Jagan camp. Some channels are even counting chickens in Jagan camp and prospects of Rosaih govt aftermath split of the congress party. Reportedly, if Jagan manage to split at least 40 MLAs he can destablise present govt. But hardly one year old MLAs are not ready for immediate elections. However, Jagan has given financial assurance to his camp and also chalked out bailout package for possible dissident MLAs.

Some optimistic MLAs and well wishers from both camps mulling possible options for possible alliance between TDP - Jagan group as TDP has 91 MLAs and if Jagan manages to get the support the 40-50 MLAs from the congress camp, the remaining strength is can be drawn from dissident PRP MLAs to meet the magic number of 148 for simple majority. This could be a new paradigm shift in AP politics as two powerful communities are coming together once in a lifetime to grab the political power. Moreover, TDP policy of anti congress stance can be achieved - if Jagan is out of party. This strategy could achieve the objective of aiming at Sonia as she prepared the master plan of targeting Babu and Jagan to restrict them to their own regions through Telangana movement which we were observing since a year. For many months both of them are unable to even enter Telangana region with crooked politics of TRS on the directions of congress high command.

Hence, we have prepared a matrix of possible alliance between the TDP and Jagan group.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2010 20:42

What are the chances of non-Jagan group joining with TDP if he walks out? They may walk out of INC while at it.

Krishna_V · Post by **Krishna_V** » 10 Sep 2010 03:49

We don’t have elections for the next 3 to 4 years so why this Jagan card from INC? One possible answer could be if T-state forms to consolidate samaikyavadi vote bank. But why now? If T state is inevitable they could play Jagan card 1 year before elections? Or will jagan complete his O yatra, rest in peace for couple of years and come back?

For Jagan to play Samaikyavadi card he has to come out of INC. Since INC is the one which gives T-state he cannot be in congress and play the card. If he comes out since he is a CM candidate he has to field candidates in all constituencies and he will be eating into INC vote bank. If there is a triangle contest in non T between INC+PRP, Jagan and TDP i feel TDP will have the last laugh.

Even if he wins, will he extend his support to INC and be another KCR?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 10 Sep 2010 08:17

This is in Telugu and will only write the summary here.
Jagan Deserves any punishment by God : Sonia

* Sonia is extremely angry and is expecting God to punish Jagan.
* As per her since YSR helped the party a lot, though YSR looted a lot of money she overlooked the stuff and allowed YSR to be CM for two terms. (she used the term minted money)
* She reitereated that she is very determined to take head on with Jagan
* She expected Jagan to be loyal to party through out his life as she has extened a lot to their family
* She reiterated that there will be no replacement of Rossiah.

Now if the above report is correct, then why not Jagan in the first place? My orginal question is still not answered. Why the Sonia system is unhappy with YSR when they delivered the state twice? Because they are corrupt is a BS. Gandhis are not-corrupt is joke.

Jagan will be out per this report. This reports is as mentioned by few AP-INC folks who met her. So if push comes to shove there could be denials tomorrow.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Sep 2010 11:31

^^^I also agree.

Something really smells regarding why dy-nasty is unable to come to terms with sri sri jagan garu as AP CM. Esp since he is also a preacher, a devout man of the book etc.

Chalo, for a while I accepted that it must be that regional satraps threaten the die-nasty in Dilli. Buit at the risk of losing the state wholesale (or retail) why not relent and accommodate what looks, talks, walks etc like a congressman?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Sep 2010 13:15

News items from Enadu has lot of ideas like this. The latest rumour (comming back once again after some weeks) is Jagan may join with BJP

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Sep 2010 20:32

Hari Seldon wrote:^^^I also agree.

Something really smells regarding why dy-nasty is unable to come to terms with sri sri jagan garu as AP CM. Esp since he is also a preacher, a devout man of the book etc.

Chalo, for a while I accepted that it must be that regional satraps threaten the die-nasty in Dilli. But at the risk of losing the state wholesale (or retail) why not relent and accommodate what looks, talks, walks etc like a congressman?

Uncle using Infra-red sat images (~20K) to locate the missing helicopter raised fears of YSR's outside connections. The surmise is that YSJ carries the connections as shown by his defiance despite the sympathy/support shown by INC at center (Recall picture of SG sitting on the feet side of the bed).

So its seen as threat to the dynasty itself.

BTW AP is a golden goose that lays multiple eggs. CBN was modest by YSR standards.

Also AP is a key state/region in India. Thrice in modern history it served as gateway to conquest: Fall of Kakatiyas, Loss of Telangana to Bahmanis, Nizam's compromise with the English.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Sep 2010 21:00

ramana wrote:

Uncle using Infra-red sat images (~20K) to locate the missing helicopter raised fears of YSR's outside connections. The surmise is that YSJ carries the connections as shown by his defiance despite the sympathy/support shown by INC at center (Recall picture of SG sitting on the feet side of the bed).

So its seen as threat to the dynasty itself.

BTW AP is a golden goose that lays multiple eggs. CBN was modest by YSR standards.

Also AP is a key state/region in India. Thrice in modern history it served as gateway to conquest: Fall of Kakatiyas, Loss of Telangana to Bahmanis, Nizam's compromise with the English.

It is about national security when external connections are involved

Krishna_V · Post by **Krishna_V** » 10 Sep 2010 23:05

BTW L rajgopal in his interview says any region without hyderabad (be it T or Rest of AP) will not survive. when asked how can he say that he points to revenue stats

Of 78k revenue generated last year, hyderabad accounts 35 to 38k (nearly 40%). He says any region without hyderabad will not be able to pay its employees and will not be able to continue welfare programs. SKC has all the stats and they know this.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 10 Sep 2010 23:11

Acharya wrote:
ramana wrote:

Uncle using Infra-red sat images (~20K) to locate the missing helicopter raised fears of YSR's outside connections. The surmise is that YSJ carries the connections as shown by his defiance despite the sympathy/support shown by INC at center (Recall picture of SG sitting on the feet side of the bed).

So its seen as threat to the dynasty itself.

BTW AP is a golden goose that lays multiple eggs. CBN was modest by YSR standards.

Also AP is a key state/region in India. Thrice in modern history it served as gateway to conquest: Fall of Kakatiyas, Loss of Telangana to Bahmanis, Nizam's compromise with the English.
It is about national security when external connections are involved

At the end of the day, YSR&family are factionists and profiteers. Their outlook is shaped by their own background and so in politics they play black-and-white politics and nothing grey in what they did. In my opinion they are way less dangerous than the Congress and Sonia&co.

Even when it comes to EJ activities, they (and another guy named Paul) successfully ate EJ money with some shows here and there to show EJs that they are doing something. They are Reddys more than Christian and at the same time they know how to exploit for money in all spheres.

I believe main grouse (if there is one) for Central Congress is YSR&co safeguarded themselves by being friends with Galis (who hailed from Tirupati area) so effectively nullifying Congress tactics to take Karnataka. Both sides they looted mines even by killing some obstacles (Paritala for example). With YSR&co power politics, nobody else couldn't be accommodated unless they were loyal to YSR (note not to Congress) so Congress might have thought it is time to accommodate others.

CBN was modest by YSR standards.

Well, CBN is like Mr 10%. YSR is more like Mr 90%. Gandhis are upset that they didn't get proper share in the loot. May be they were expecting to be Ms. 50% (of the loot) but got 10% only.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 11 Sep 2010 01:27

ShyamSP wrote: I believe main grouse (if there is one) for Central Congress is YSR&co safeguarded themselves by being friends with Galis (who hailed from Tirupati area) so effectively nullifying Congress tactics to take Karnataka. Both sides they looted mines even by killing some obstacles (Paritala for example). With YSR&co power politics, nobody else couldn't be accommodated unless they were loyal to YSR (note not to Congress) so Congress might have thought it is time to accommodate others....
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Gandhis are upset that they didn't get proper share in the loot. May be they were expecting to be Ms. 50% (of the loot) but got 10% only.

ShyamSP garu I reiterate this is not convincing and this is the quest that I had and with no results yet.

Money and loot from YSR is of no use before the Sonia and Gandhis. Just to remind you, they are able to form a cartel to loot Iraq oil using Kofi Annan's son (ex-UN general sec). This they did when BJP was in power. That is just a glimpse of the what their loot power is. I don't even want to get into several arms, drug merchants and underworld etc. which extends to famous bank of middle east called BCCI scandal. In summary Sonia is upset because of YSR loot did not reach her is not even near convincing.

That is why I repeat that daal mea kuch kaala hai. The estrangement of Sonia dynasty and YSR dynasty has some thing very deeper and not analyzed so far. Otherwise they are just doing a drama for the public and finally they will make Jagan as CM.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 Sep 2010 01:50

I already presented my "scripted drama" thoughts.

Could it be that YSR group's overt EJisation of AP is feared to disturb dynasty's apple cart all over desh?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Sep 2010 03:06

Muppalla wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: I believe main grouse (if there is one) for Central Congress is YSR&co safeguarded themselves by being friends with Galis (who hailed from Tirupati area) so effectively nullifying Congress tactics to take Karnataka. Both sides they looted mines even by killing some obstacles (Paritala for example). With YSR&co power politics, nobody else couldn't be accommodated unless they were loyal to YSR (note not to Congress) so Congress might have thought it is time to accommodate others....
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Gandhis are upset that they didn't get proper share in the loot. May be they were expecting to be Ms. 50% (of the loot) but got 10% only.
ShyamSP garu I reiterate this is not convincing and this is the quest that I had and with no results yet.

Money and loot from YSR is of no use before the Sonia and Gandhis. Just to remind you, they are able to form a cartel to loot Iraq oil using Kofi Annan's son (ex-UN general sec). This they did when BJP was in power. That is just a glimpse of the what their loot power is. I don't even want to get into several arms, drug merchants and underworld etc. which extends to famous bank of middle east called BCCI scandal. In summary Sonia is upset because of YSR loot did not reach her is not even near convincing.

That is why I repeat that daal mea kuch kaala hai. The estrangement of Sonia dynasty and YSR dynasty has some thing very deeper and not analyzed so far. Otherwise they are just doing a drama for the public and finally they will make Jagan as CM.

I jocularly said on money part and it is minor as you said (even if there is element of truth). Money part is major complaint* from non-YSR congress people however. For Sonia&co, when they have whole India, it is minor one.
* One elected person said one had to be absolutely loyal to YSR if anyone wanted good contracts to make good money. Some issue stopped him to be in friends with district YSR point-man so really did not make much in YSR era.

Anyway, for your question, we need to look from different dimensions which can only be apparent after a few years. Here are
a few dimensions to look things
1. Gandhis-YSRs duo are playing political games by being together privately but fighting publicly
This is mainly to keep congress vote-bank in Congress or YSR sack and create image of rebel hero and alternative to TDP.
Also create a mess to hide all the loot and corruption. By being hard on a few scams, Congres can claim it is not party to
that corruption. Jagan can lose a few crores here and there but live with impunity.

2. Gandhis are upset due to no direct control of AP in YSR era so cutting YSR influence to accommodate others in AP.
This is publicly understandable and many happenings including T issue are in that direction.

3. Telangana division is beyond AP and YSR&co and TDP didn't allow it.
There may be nationwide political plans to execute so they are reducing Jagan to subregional level.

Bharath.Subramanyam · Post by **Bharath.Subramanyam** » 11 Sep 2010 22:28

Got some news from Delhi:

Jagan is not leaving congress. Deal has been made. Just one point unresolved.

Will update later.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 12 Sep 2010 04:38

Based on SK's statements that nobody will be disappointed by the SKC report, and he is not going to prefer any one option over the other, my guess is that SKC is going to throw the problem back to politicians that created the problem to resolve it. He is going to propose many options, starting from splitting the state like what the T vadis are demanding to do nothing. He will give some remediation under each proposal but he will not put any preference to any one option. Every body can latch to any of the options they like, and claim that they are vindicated by SKC's observations but it is the politicians that need to decide which option they go with.

So don't put too much hope that SKC is going to resolve it.

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 13 Sep 2010 12:04

TOI is showing breaking news caption that CBN convoy has been attacked in Mahaboob Nagar

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Sep 2010 21:25

It is now clear political leaders who are not in line with TRS are not safe any more. They are being attacked and will be attacked in future by TRS gangs who feel that they have free hand to whatever they want to do. It seems the TRS had made up its mind to be in attack mode all the time and against all the people who are not in line with it. Some how it is like Razakars all over again. Just like impunity Razakars had under Nizam there is a regular demand that all the cases earlier filed on the students??? are to be removed.

Madhu Yashki is also saying Hyderabad under Nizam was great city. It is tragic to see people praising Nizam rule for their political ends. If Nizam rule was so great why they want to celebrate Telangana Liberation from that. One MP from Telangana saying that Telangana was liberated because of the struggle of the fight now called as “Telangana raithanga poratam” which is basically communist fight against the Jamindars etc which later turned into war against Indian state. I wonder if there is will comments against Operation Polo also in near future.

I don’t know I am over board here in comparing TRS and associated gangs (mainly from congress and BJP) with Razakars. But how you can describe people who attack on political leader who was CM of the state for 9 years, threats on most popular film actors, attacks on teachers doing invigilation work in the University, students writing competitive examinations and openly praise Nizam rule.

TRS people have attacked CBN convey and pelted stones today. Some TDP workers and our Jurno brothers got injured. (Some times it is good for the news paper and TV people to be in the receiving end) it seems that CBN’s car got damaged and quick action of the driver resulted in CBN himself escaping unharmed. With this open attack on the main opposition leader’s violent action by TRS move one step above. Already they have violently attacked Jagan couple of months back when he tried to go to Warangal. Now it is CBN’s turn. There is an open threat that they are not going to allow non Telangana ministers to travel in Telangana.

Chiranjivi two days back said that some elements of JAC in OU are doing blackmailing on movies. In response on TV9 someone was openly saying that he will not allow any movie by the people who are not openly for Telangana. (That is Mohan Babu and Jr NTR and NTR family people, Chiranjivi family people at present) The TV anchor not even challenged him saying what he is saying is unlawful and he can be put behind bars for issuing criminal thetas. Of course it is too much to expect from our TV fellows. Now that they are at the receiving end of stones someone may start having some sense. There were wild rumors yesterday that Chiranjivis house is going to be attacked and police forces were rushed there.

The Congress MP’s in Telangana are also working as party workers of the TRS. Some of them are even exceeding TRS in the use of abusive language. K.C.R. has warned the center that they have to take action within 15 days SKC report otherwise there will be earthquake in Telangana. Earlier words/ threats are of bloodbath, civil war, militancy, cutting the tongues etc. We do not know what new threats will be invented in future.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Sep 2010 21:31

KCR needs to do more to get the attention he wants. Unfortunately people's lives will be badly affected in order to satisfy his wants.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 13 Sep 2010 21:44

IMO, the present discord could be due to the oil/deep shale/gas deposits made in the Godavari basin as well as off-shore Godavari delta. There is major money to be made and central-dynasty wants a couple of fingers in the pie, one for itself and the other for its massa based or oiropean interests, Jagan could be saying no-way to both fingers.

There are other industrial interests at play here, most notably one very eminent desi co having EPC presence in KA part of KG basin.

I fear for the safety of national security projects such as the base for desi u-boats.

JVKrishnan · Post by **JVKrishnan** » 14 Sep 2010 05:02

This is the problem of our ethos, licking up to people who use bloodbath as a tool for political/personal gains. What crime did those teachers @ OU commit? Thrashing them with footwear? Threaten them? Pelt stones? Damage public property?

I fail to understand why TRS should not be banned and it's cadre given a taste of their own medicine? Why haven't they been incarcerated? Isn't what they are doing tantamount to terrorism?

If these so called "Telengana" warriors are so bristling with rage and ages of injustice......send em to Kashmir and we will see them run for their dear lives with tails between their legs! Why doesn't KCR do a fast unto death for Kashmir? Bcoz he is power hungry, period! These barbarians cannot understand law & order.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 14 Sep 2010 06:09

Bharath.Subramanyam wrote:Got some news from Delhi:

Jagan is not leaving congress. Deal has been made. Just one point unresolved.

Will update later.

Is it the same "talk of the town" where Rajdeep Sardesai has brokered a deal between Jagan and Sonia? Per that rumor/whatever, Sonia has given a go-ahead to Jagan to bring the numbers in terms of MLA and if he can show the numbers, Jagan can be CM.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2010 03:08

Hindu reports;

Naidu faces more violent protests

Looks like TRS and ABVP members threw stones at his cars. And they are selective in their protests. No stones get thrown at INC leadership

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Sep 2010 09:22

So for we have not seriously examined the involvement of the naxals in the T agitation. There was some postings here earlier about the Naxals joined TRS etc. But this line seems to be died down. I have checked the wikipedia on Mr. Kodandaram. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Kodandaram He is Reddy and not using that word in his name. He said to be worked in the civil liberty movement during 1980’s which means he was active in naxal front activities during that time. I have not heard anything about this man before he was appointed as convener of the short lived JAC of political parties. We do not know how and why he was picked for this position and who picked him. As for as my recollection goes he was picked by KCR. For some reason KCR wanted this man. It is said some Katathiya University fellow is the mentor for KCR.

Today KCR’s statement came that if they start beating people no andra fellow will be left in Telangana.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2010 09:40

KCR sounds more and more like Kasim Rizvi in 1948.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Sep 2010 11:03

Ramana Sir,

If you see my post above I compared TRS people with Razakars. But I am not sure we can do that because Razakars are petty horrible people. TRS people mostly are petty goons and naxals. But as you said KCR more and more sounding like Razvi.

Did you observe there are no posts from the supporters of the Telangana (and TRS) here on BR for some time now. Telangana proponents are quite active on Internet for some years. They have also initially participated in this forum quite actively. Though I find their posts are quite irrational, it was a good thing that some debate on the issue was going on here for some time. But now there is no debate now. Almost all the posts are against the division of the AP. WHERE ARE THE PRO TELANGANA PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTIVE EARLIER GONE?

I think we, BR people could see the agenda behind all the people (Naxals, INC T leaders, TRS etc) making this demand and the Waco arguments put forward more quickly. Because of that at least on this forum there was no free run to them unlike say on TV9. I find no other argument for the sudden drop in participation here.

Lot of the Telangana movement activity is based on clever use of Media. You find none of the TRS leader’s objectionable statement on blood baths, civil wars, internal wars, finds any place in the nation or local media. Remember how they are gone to town against MNS and Raj Thakre for less that this actions of TRS and KCR. It is not as if they don’t report on the situation at all. Attack on CBN reported prominently. So I think our left jhola gang at national level is also behind and supporting this movement. Naxals earn a lot from Blackmail activity. Imagine what will happen if they are given even a small foot hold in Hyderabad ( I think at present they don’t have much power in the city) So there is a long term security threat here which may be a factor in any decision after December.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2010 21:06

Maybe they see things for what they are. I dont like your calling them out for not posting. That would be egging them and kind of triumphalist. Dont do that.

I grew up in Hyderabad amidst the first Telangana agitation. Some of the economic issues are genuine. The answer in India so far is separation as seen by the creation of new states, instead of more development. It also didn't help that early leadership was clannish and worked on spoils system which ensured the winner gets all. Nothing if you are not in power.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 15 Sep 2010 23:32

There were three interesting articles in Andhra Jyothy news paper on “Telangana Liberation Day on 9/17” I will summarize the interesting points in each one of them –

First one in the series – by Sangisetti Srinivas; Telangana History Society

http://www.andhrajyothy.com/EditorialSh ... =9/15/2010

BJP Govt in 1998 called 9/17 as the “Liberation Day” word for 9/17 for the first time. If Hyderabad state got liberated from “muslim rule” on 9/17/48 as BJP says, then how did Nijam continued as the state head till 1/26/1950, and as a Raj Pramukh till 10/31/156?

Nijam invited/helped GOI when the Razakars went out of his control. Nizam continuing Sir Walter Monkton as Hyderabad’s chief counsel on law/justice is an indication of this.

There is a misconception that Razakars mean fanatic muslims only. One shouldn’t forget the fact that “dalit” leaders like Syam Sundar, B.S Venkata Rao, Pisari Veeranna who converted into Islam besides other feudals also were part of Razakars.

Hyderabad people did not get any freedom from this so-called liberation. Indian Army killed thousands of {is this true? Wikipedia puts the total Razakars killed in Operation Polo at 1,373 killed, 1,911 captured http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Polo} of innocent muslims in Martwada and Karnataka regions of Hyderabad state. The Sunderlal committee setup by JLN clearly documented this.

BJP demands that we should celebrate “Telangana Liberation Day on 9/17” as the other two regions (in Karnataka and Maharashtra) of former Hyderabad state are doing that. The fact is that these states started celebrating this so-called “Telangana Liberation Day” only when they came under BJP rule. The point here is that these Martwada and Karnataka regions blended very well “linguistically” with their respective states. But that is not the case with Telangana {The author doesn’t give any reasons why this is the case, if it true to start with}. That is why we have conflicting views on this “liberation’.

We cannot call Police Action as ‘unification’. Unification can happen only when both parties are acceptable to it. The international media {what else can be expected in 1947 context?} called IA’s action as ‘invasion’. Even after 9/17 all govt orders are released on Nizam’s name only. Even Suprem Court of India also many times ruled that Hyderabad is an independent state and its issues do on come under its jurisdiction {is this true?}

Unification in true sense should bring some benefits to local population {lahori logic IMO– in the above para he describes why we cannot call this unification, and now claims that unification didn’t bring any benefits}. Telangana suffered a lot after that. People lost jobs, and were put under outside rule {I guess Madras state}. The lands people won after long fight again went under feudal domination. How can we celebrate such a day as Liberation Day?

After police action govt brought many employees from Madras. These people filled the senior positions vacated by the muslims who left India. These people behaved as if locals are unintelligent and illiterate and of different language This attitude is continued to till date {After 50+ yrs? They must have retired a generation ago}. These people gave preferential treatment to people from their respective regions in low level jobs as well {We need to check stats from previous pages…}

Mulki agitation started in 1952 in this background. More than dozen (12) students died in police firing. Should we celebrate the day (9/17) which is the root cause of all of this as the “liberation” day? It is very surprising that even communists, who called for “Independent Hyderabad” in those days, are in support of celebrating 9/17 as liberation day.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 15 Sep 2010 23:48

Another news related item.

Apparently CBN is taking direct control of Andhrajyothy news paper from Sri Vemuri Radhakrishna. It used to be a leftist mouth piece all these days supporting Telangana cause. Will be interesting to see how it shapes in future. The news item also says that many journalists including the deputy editor are leaving the news paper and may join the new Telangana news paper being started by KCR.

So another level of integration between Democracy (shaping people's opinion), politics, and media. Wonderful

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2010 00:52

Hyderabad was thus encouraged to declare its own independence after the formation of Independent India. The Nizam also provided a loan of Rs. 20 crore to Pakistan during its unofficial war with India in the Hindu princely state of J&K. Inside Hyderabad an irregular army of terrorists, called the Razakars, was raised and placed under the fanatical Qasim Razwi to crush all political opposition. They murdered Hindus and Muslims indiscriminately, and later began attacking and torching Hindu villages in the countryside. The villagers broke out in an uprising in many parts of the state.

The government of India, after making many attempts to negotiate with the Nizam's government, was provoked into action after the Razakars attacked villages in Indian territory. Termed Operation Polo, the police action defeated the Hyderabad army within five days while the cowardly razakars tried to mingle back into the population. However the simmering rage of the people against these terrorists led to violence for a few weeks, until order was restored.

Despite his complicity in the bloodshed of the razakars, the Nizam was never arrested or tried in court. He was given the ceremonial post of Rajpramukh while the state was integrated with the rest of India.

Source: Airavat's blog

Hyderabad's Pruning

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Sep 2010 11:55

I am not egging any one Ramana Garu. For some time the posts here are one sided. In fact no egging is needed as our T vadi bothers are quite active on the net and off the net also.

Yesterday there was lot of ruskus and attacks in the High Court by the Advocates from Telangana area. They had broken racks, cupboards and generally ran sacked the court building and many court rooms. It is reported that Judges from Non Telangana areas were targeted and attacked. At least one judge (Mr. Nagarjuna Reddy) was even personal assaulted as per the reports.

Today on TV9 and TV5 hardly any politico from Telangana was ready to condemn this conduct by the advocates without any qualification. Even Revanth Reddy of TDP who is suppose to be more sober face of their Telangana leaders was making all kinds of allegations. Even the neutral annalist was abused by him on TV as being Samaikyawadi.

The present demand of the advocates is that 42% of the GP, AGP, and PP etc posts are to be given to Telangana people only (as their fair share). The state government has issued a note or something to the effect that this representation was already there and in fact more than 45% posts are filled with Telangana people only. Now the TRS and other gangs are saying that it is not true and those people are not Telangana people at all.

From the reports it is unlikely that the State Government is going to be relenting and agree to the demands of the T vadi advocates. So we are going to see courts closed for many months in Telangana areas.

KCR in response to a question few days earlier (at the time group 1 exams) that as per the records most than the proportion of the population were selected from Telangana as per government records, said that they are all settlers only and implied that they can not be considered as Telangana people. I think the similar is the case here also. Advocates who are residents of capital city for decades can not be considered as local Telangana people if they are not basically from Telangana districts. I think it is going to be the stand of the TRS even after the division of the state. Some type quasi Art 370 type thing may be demanded for Telangana state.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 17 Sep 2010 08:29

Today is Hyderabad Liberation Day

The day is also celebrated as the Telangana Liberation Day after a powerful Indian Army ran over a weak Nizam, who refused to join the Indian Union and wanted to stay independent. Like the Telangana issue, it has divided separatists and some integrationists, with the former demanding official celebrations and the latter opposing it.

But the article goes on to show that only the MIM is opposing the celebration of this day.

The MIM president, Mr Asaduddin Owaisi is unconvinced and says, “It’s a Sangh Parivaar agenda. I am an Indian. For me freedom means August 15 and January 26. Apart from these two days, other dates are irrelevant. It will be a hate campaign against the Muslim rulers, fuel more anger and poison against Muslims.” He points out that there was no such demand in the past and any attempt to do it now will have repercussions. The Muslims of Telangana have not forgotten the brutal massacre and rape of thousands of Muslims during the liberation period.

Mr Ch. Vidyasagar Rao, former Union minister of state for home told this correspondent, "I also feel it should get a mention in text books. Students should know Hyderabad history. The MIM’s objection is uncalled for. During the Razakar movement and its aftermath, Hindus as well as Muslims were victims. Suppressing history will do no good."

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 17 Sep 2010 10:21

I haven't seen anyone here commenting on the role being played by TV channels and radio stations in stoking hatred of coastal people and promoting the Telangana movement. The airwaves have plenty of stations that are playing songs that essentially have the following pattern:

<some resource, maybe godavari, maybe coal, maybe land> is a blessing for Telangana people
It is a goddess
The people depend on it
The wicked Andhras are stealing it
Keeping it all for themselves
Telangana people will fight
Till victory is achieved
Nothing less than separate state will be acceptable.

There are also "panel discussions" with only pro-separatist discussants where such things as "how to chase away the Andhras" are discussed.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Sep 2010 16:59

The tragic drama in the AP High Court is continuing. There is condemnation from political leaders from Telangana till now. Rather they are trying to explain the reasons for attacks. One judge who was attacked two days back had submitted his resignation and efforts are on to convince him to withdraw his resignation.

I have practiced in the AP High Court till December 1998 and I am sure the buildings are same now. Any reasonably strong police force can do it. Yet our police allowed this to happen not one day but two day in a row. There is little excuse for that. Today some action was taken and 60 “advocates” were also arrested.

Murthy Garu, the less we talk about the TV’s and Papers in AP the better. They are all part of one political gang or another. TV9 and a set are fully behind T agitation. TV5 openly shows Gaddar fellow and has a programme for him. The less we say about Etv and Shakhi the better.

One more thing we have to note that English national level media continue to ignore the entire actions inculding attacks on judges, teachers etc. Any gurus on the reasons for that.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Sep 2010 19:09

KCR locks horns with Telangana advocates!

HYDERABAD: Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS) president K Chandrasekhar Rao’s remarks that all those born in Telangana should be considered Telangana biddalu and his surprising bonhomie with Vijayawada MP Lagadapati Rajagopal have raised the hackles of Telangana advocates who have been demanding 42 per cent quota in judicial posts for those from the region.

Rao made the remarks during a debate on a Telugu news channel on Saturday night. Vijayawada MP Lagadapati Rajagopal, who also participated in the debate, agreed with Rao. Contrary to public perception, the duo exhibited respect for each other to such an extent that Rao found Lagadapati’s courage praiseworthy and professed love and admiration for him.

The new-found “love” between the two opposite poles in the political spectrum took the T advocates by surprise who saw “wrong signals” in the TRS chief ’s assertions and expressed fear that “Andhras” born in Telangana could stake claim to “Telangana jobs.” Bar Council of India member Rajender Reddy wondered if Rao was diluting their one-week long agitation.

The TRS chief, however, clarified on Sunday that he had made the comments in a generic sense.

“Telangana advocates should shed their misconceptions,” he said.

He reiterated that all those born in the region would be sons of the soil and pointed out that many people, with roots in Andhra, were born in Nizamabad and Mahabubnagar districts. “All those who are born here are our atmeeyulu,” Rao said but remained silent on Lagadapati.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 24 Sep 2010 23:58

Telangana is a match-fixing game. While TRS wants to be "Shivasena" of Telangana to threaten people and businesses to collect Hafta (Mamulu), Congress wants to screw TDP and make AP congress leaders as subregional leaders, and TDP is playing its own games to get out the rut and pickle situation that Congress forced it into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfNGDrBaCOc

Mekapothu Gambhiryam (Goat's pride). This useless guy never has any actual action but always talk in big words. He is saying if Telangana leaders confront appointment of Rayalaseema people for posts, there will be Civil war.

He sometime ago said to be trying to form Private army to protect against Telanagana goondaism. Don't know what happened to that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKNPFKLs9rI